#resiliencechat Archive
Co-moderated by Dr. Robert Martinez and Sara Truebridge, #resiliencechat focuses on promoting resilience amongst educators and students.
Monday March 7, 2016
10:00 PM EST
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says it's 7:00 PM PST, so it must be time for !
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It's Rob from Northern Ca, AKA as your moderator for the evening. Welcome all! Who's here?
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Dorothy here from Upstate New York
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Hello friends 😊 Spiri from PA, G&T a bit sleepy, but couldn't miss
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I'm here. Now I'll see if I can simmer down.
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Wonderful! Great to have you here!
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Welcome Deb! Just breathe!
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hello my friend, hope all is well 😊
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I'll try and behave myself.
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I knew there was another great chat on Monday night. Hi, ! Leslie in Mty, MX here and also dabbling at data!
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Topic for tonight-- Building through the power and process of and
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Tidbits: #1, “I am because you are.” (A South African traditional saying respective to community.)
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How cool.
I just came across
Carl from Emerald Australia
hot (99F) and tired from watching late night women's soccer
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Hi ! I'm here for a bit. Hope you all are well this Monday evening.
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tidbit #2: Equity is about ensuring that each child has what they need to be successful to develop their full potential.
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tidbit #3: “Following one's moral compass to an enlightened but less traveled road to success takes courage.”
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Oh dear god. We're going there.
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Great to have you here Carl!!
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Evening all - Asst Supt in MO
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Thanks Rob.
Sitting in a dark room and the air conditioner is doing very little
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Q1. Many people confuse the words with . What is your brief understanding of this? Explain..
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A1) Lots.
Equal is the same =
Equity is about distributing fairly as needed (some need more, some less)
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A1 w/ our Ss who have the least, we don't worry about equal. We do our best to work for equity, safety nets in our system.
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A1: equity is giving each individual what they need for success, not the same for everyone
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A1: Equal=everyone is the same. Equity= everyone is provided the same opportunity but could be in very different ways.
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A1 Equity to me means leveling the playing field. Giving everyone all the resources they need. Equal means the same.
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Yes, indeed, and we will dig a bit deeper tonight. https://t.co/ZcjBwWYQKF
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A1) Lots.
Equal is the same =
Equity is about distributing fairly as needed (some need more, some less)
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A1: equity is about fairness which spent mean equal
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A1 Equal = same, equity so all can achieve the same
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Yes, concurrence, and we will try to go a little deeper tonight. Thanks Deb! https://t.co/lyMAMU0NEg
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A1 Equity to me means leveling the playing field. Giving everyone all the resources they need. Equal means the same.
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Thought I could stay but stuff calls. Definitely going to check back and read the tweets. Seen some gr8 stuff already
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Q2. Can you think of example of how might be productive in an educational setting?
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A1 Before checking other responses, I'll posit equality is the appearance but not full realization of equity.
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Equal is doing things the same way for everyone, equity recognizes that one size doesn't fit all
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A1) Equal is same level, same amount, equity is fairness, giving what is needed to succeed
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A1 One problem I have had is that some people are not considered deserving of resources.
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Super insight Bill, what a goal to truly have full realization of . https://t.co/5NcXL3N1hx
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A1 Before checking other responses, I'll posit equality is the appearance but not full realization of equity.
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Q2 Equal may work when passing out photocopies lol
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A2: it is good to have equal when we talk about expectations of evidence. We want to equally expect all kids to show growth,
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Yes, our systems marginalize so many students. We will get to this in just a bit. https://t.co/Z9CeyhPmOV
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A1 One problem I have had is that some people are not considered deserving of resources.
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Not right off the top of my head. Maybe in formal competitions - interscholastic sports, debates... https://t.co/dXCwD7fRAb
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Q2. Can you think of example of how might be productive in an educational setting?
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A2: providing access to technology for all, daily PE for all , access to co and Extra curricular for those unable to pay
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A2) All gets equal opportunity access resources
In the case of equal we are not talking about how much, just that it's there
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What a great frame Craig! Why shouldn't we equally expect students to all grow! https://t.co/2Lwpvnmi2K
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A2: it is good to have equal when we talk about expectations of evidence. We want to equally expect all kids to show growth,
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Hi, ! Shannon, HS humanities in Oakland, checking in late!
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Growth is really a key component to this statement https://t.co/wrE23xIHgt
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A2: it is good to have equal when we talk about expectations of evidence. We want to equally expect all kids to show growth,
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A2: when referring to components of various elements of instruction
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A2: School Lunch-plop the same thing and same amount on every tray!!!
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A2: The love and care teachers give to students should be equal.
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Marginalized is a more polite way of saying swept under the rug. But then I think you know I'm not polite.
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You took my answer!! But I love you the same.
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International Women's Day here. Our underpaid women's soccer team are talk of town, qualifying for Olympics
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Ha! Love this - even though not necessarily equitable for vegans, gluten-free diets, etc.
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A2 in the teaching ranks, we would expect all Ts to equally be passionate & creative in growing relationships & relevance.
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but some need different nutritional intake
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Made me giggle! I concur, many children are ignored, left to their own devices. sad, but true! https://t.co/dl6uSuimY3
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Marginalized is a more polite way of saying swept under the rug. But then I think you know I'm not polite.
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A2 My first thought was that "equal" would be appropriate in extracurricular activities where students compete w/ others.
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... though not necessarily shown and expressed the same way to each kid.
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A3: we need to meet Ss where they are socially, emotionally, physically, and intellectually
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Or super hungry vs. bird-like eaters!
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A2 Equal rights, when it comes to cultural acceptance (not tolerance, folks, acceptance!)
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A3 Kid O needs equity. Equality means that she gets a certificate stating she made high honor roll. Who are we kidding?
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Dropped to 98F here. My needs environmental needs may not be equal to yours
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My friends mom was a lunch server, his plate always looked "fuller" LOL
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A thought: does each child work equally hard on same task? The equity=differentiating the expectation b/c of prior knowledge
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No, but everyone deserves the same. In other words, no child is less deserving of love than another.
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Glad you made it!! https://t.co/OblXJa2ur7
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A2 Equal rights, when it comes to cultural acceptance (not tolerance, folks, acceptance!)
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In thinking about how impt it is to give equal love to all kids, it will LOOK very different for each kid...
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A2b) I think equal is not a quantitative thing while equity is.
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A3 Kid O who is stuck in her wheelchair got an A in Driver's Ed. How'd she manage that? Equality but not equity.
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A3: Providing equity helps raise the levels of learning in each context. Results in more winners / helps fill the gaps.
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I think we're saying the same thing in different ways as I 100% agree with that. Sorry if I offended.
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Couldn't agree more!! https://t.co/BSMeRGXZqg
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A3: we need to meet Ss where they are socially, emotionally, physically, and intellectually
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A3 Equity in participation opportunities and not just as spectators is important!
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A3 Equity means giving kids like Kid O what they need not what makes you feel good.
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A3 cont Some kids need hugs, others need happy phone calls home, + others need constant encouragement, or a knowing smile
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Wouldn't that be amazing if each teacher/administrator/support person could get to that place? https://t.co/3kRBpCy0M9
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In thinking about how impt it is to give equal love to all kids, it will LOOK very different for each kid...
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Can someone please retweet Q3
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A3: will really help little guy on the right but will the guy on left be still given more resources to grow?
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No offense. Just good dialogue.
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Yes! I would like to think that I am there, but, honestly, I am not loving all kids right.
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A3: equity with the right tools levels the playing field for students to ALL achieve.
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Q4. As we move to towards –focused environs how might this support our children to & build ?
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OMG! Why did you ask that/what did she say??
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A3: I really emphasize in working in T workshops that relationships are the starting place of equity & equality.
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A3) Equity also makes sense when it comes to sharing limited resources, eg: teacher time and attention
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A3 I think focusing on equity brings a sense of fairness, respect and dignity for individuals' authentic selves... justice.
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"Humans we are" --Best Yoda voice desired! https://t.co/luvsOE5Bys
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Yes! I would like to think that I am there, but, honestly, I am not loving all kids right.
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true you are. But try we will.
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I'm just starting conference week, so I've just gotten home, but I wanted to say hi & thank u. I've learned so much from u!
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What a wise woman, and that you remember that -- wow!
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A2: It's possibly the most productive in math class? Has this joke already been done? I got distracted by shiny objects.
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A4 I think a focus on equity can help kids see teachers working for justice and know they can be doing the same.
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Hey, Carl. How are you doing? I hope you have some ice water!
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Q4 moving towards equity focused environments is a must if we want better outcomes for students. We can't be afraid.
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A4 Most marginalized Ss will show they've been resilient all along once they see advocacy on their behalf.
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A1: This is new for me with these particular words, but I have heard it before as, "Fair is not necessarily equal."
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A4 A focus on equity can lead to intersectional thinking, to acknowledging and valuing each unique voice and experience.
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Yes, Sometimes the big ideas are the right ideas! focused environs actually help all improve https://t.co/PR3AhsBJmM
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A4 I think a focus on equity can help kids see teachers working for justice and know they can be doing the same.
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A4: Ts can advocate when and where needed to assist Ss learn and feel accepted
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Surviving. It seems a very long summer this year. How's things there in Mexico
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Yes! Justice for authentic selves https://t.co/utrnFezwzK
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A3 I think focusing on equity brings a sense of fairness, respect and dignity for individuals' authentic selves... justice.
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Hey there G! Yes, We are the ones that can change the world! https://t.co/TBmM4Xsewo
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Q4 moving towards equity focused environments is a must if we want better outcomes for students. We can't be afraid.
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A4: If we believe All Kids Can Learn when given the right environment, we can help children thrive and build resilience.
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my grandpa used to say that "fair is a place for showing hogs. Learn to make the world better."
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A4) Sometimes it just takes that little bit of equity to take give someone the traction to become resilient
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A3: So many ways this could go, e.g., tech access, some BYOD, some can't; reading level vs. Lexile of book sources...
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Q5. Do you think that when we say “Each” child, we are all really focusing on “All” children? Is this truly possible?
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A4: to get that equity is fair I use the example of people who need glasses or hearing aids,
kids understand those
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I have to say again, its important 2 help S's name their resilience. It goes beyond teachers understanding it 2
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A4: We need to find which key unlocks each brain. Ss will thrive if we teach how they learn.
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A4: an equitable environment says I care & want the best for you! It encourages all Ss to & be
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Now, that's old school! Love it! My mom said, "Only so many tortillas to go around." https://t.co/aBvv4PwitL
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my grandpa used to say that "fair is a place for showing hogs. Learn to make the world better."
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A4) Equity, if meaning all Ss get high test scores, means 1 thing. If it means all Ss accepted + encouraged 2 b true self...
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A4 Focus on equity can also empower kids of all genders and sexualities through representation and understanding.
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This might seem simple, but if we have small enouglih class sizes and stable enough teachers, then, yet.
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A5 It had better be possible. We have to make it possible. SpEd kids matter.
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Your mom sounds like a wise lady!
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Very different, no? And I think much ed policy sees equity as the former. Which leads to inequitable outcomes.
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A5: I think we lump like needs in groups, so our differentiated efforts meet the widest demographic possible
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A5: It is about systems of equity. Create routines, structures, safety nets. Doesn't happen by accident.
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A5 Unfortunately no. Much more cultural proficiency is needed.
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A5: When in it for the right reason then you are seeking to REACH each one we before you TEACH! https://t.co/cgnTObxgGG
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A4: If you know you are getting a raw deal you will focus on that, not on growth, this stress does not foster resilience.
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A5 I think we all have planks in our eyes we don't know about, but that we can progressively learn about and remove them.
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A5 What we need is to have people understand that their NIMBY attitude is not acceptable.
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If we look back over time are we getting closer to it becoming a reality?
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Agreed. For me, a near-constant focus on intersectional thinking helps with that process.
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Q6. Some ideas are designed to “support” Stds, could they be limiting? English Language Dev/Double blocks/interventions…
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A5: the size of some groups like sports teams occasionally allows for true regular targeted individual needs to be met
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A5 What we need is to not have resources removed from SpEd kids with excuses that it's not in the budget.
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We are but we still have a long way to go.
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A5: 'Each' is personal, 'all' is collective. Is 'each' child with quality possible in a class of 30Ss, or does 'all' happen?
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A4: We should be striving to provide EACH student with what they need in order to succeed! No one size fits all BOX!
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A5 Each child...in that child's space/time. Yes it's possible: as a team: educators, comm membs, fam.
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A6: Support toward what end would be the question.
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Intersectional, I choose you!
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A5: Challenging cuz it requires constant reflection and forgiveness of self when we realize we may not have gotten there.
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A5 I sick and tired of hearing excuses as to why things are not available.
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A6: Ts must concentrate on an asset-based approach and not deficit model. SS: What do I already do best & how can I grow?
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You had me at "Intersectional!"
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A6: Any idea that someone other than the S comes up with is prescriptive, therefore limiting, IMHO.
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Q6:Doing to much of the same things always presents limitations
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Q6-clarified--Some programs take Stds away from "Core" or AP Classes, to remediate - Isn't this limiting ?
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Having internet issues. Sorry to bug out.
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A6 It could be lim! We have to KNOW our Ss and figure out the key that works. Each key has its own grooves.
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A2: Before attempting to provide equity we must fix the FAILED system! Students must be SUPPORTED through the struggle!
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YES. We had double math to "close" the algebra achmt gap, but it ended up robbing Ss of science and making!
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My son is 22; I've seen no Pokémon movies in ages. But I loved the card game and sorta miss it.
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https://t.co/dufvIlrbQE
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My son is 22; I've seen no Pokémon movies in ages. But I loved the card game and sorta miss it.
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Pokemon I dig; Jerry McGuire is the stupid movie I just quoted. My brain is really littered with nonsense :)
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A6: Been part of a "try harder" system and part of an "over-modify" system.Neither work. No ONE system works for everyone.
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A6v2.0 LRE needs to be determined for each stud. An ideal classroom would not require pull-out from class.
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A 5.can be "Each" chd sme of the time, "Sme" chdrn all the tme bt nt "Each" chd evry time. Human limitations
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Ah! I never saw that. So that particular nonsense is not littering my brain. :-)
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A6 Remediation classes that rob Ss of enriching electives like music seem totally counterproductive to me. And unfair.
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Yes, my point exactly! We need to thoughtfully question our strategies that may be limiting https://t.co/1XTD18VUQZ
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YES. We had double math to "close" the algebra achmt gap, but it ended up robbing Ss of science and making!
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A6: Elementary and lower levels are essential to closing the gap between before they reach middle/high schools!
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A6: when remediation just changes the location of the deficits how effectively be is it?
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A6 Depends on circumstances. Kid O is limited. But Kid Q needs remediation in certain area because she is LD.
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Are you getting poetic on me now? I might steal that for use in my book! https://t.co/j3FX69tuNQ
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A6 It could be lim! We have to KNOW our Ss and figure out the key that works. Each key has its own grooves.
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A6: Be proactive in ending the need for separating students. They should be able to have a choice in their education!
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Yes. Especially in this economy where meat and potatoes are perhaps not as nutritious as...oysters? pez? kale?
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And ultimately unwise. History will judge that for certain.
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Yes, it's an active job, those deputies sound like an idea whose time has come!
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And, we tend to see Stds leaving schools due to lack of We are losing generations! https://t.co/jGP89NrKnu
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A6 Remediation classes that rob Ss of enriching electives like music seem totally counterproductive to me. And unfair.
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A6 Almost any educational practice *can* be limiting or supportive. Key is to look closely and honestly, seek perspectives.
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A6: Isn't this a question of strengths-based vs deficit-based models?
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Absolutely. So many find their niche only in an elective.
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Q7. What might our schools like if we focused on for students?
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A6 Equity would mean giving kids what they need not what we think they need. Not for us to presume.
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We cannot teach 21st century kids, the way we expected (early!) 20th century kids to learn!
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Thanks. Gonna check it out tomorrow.
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A6: Universal Tier, Tier 2, Tier 3. Our neediest students get all 3 so they have the best chance of learning.
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That we make anyone go anywhere & do anything at all is limiting. Where could they go & what could they do instead?
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A7 ALL THE PATHWAYS! And they'd not be grouped by age as the common denom. Outside-in model w/ comm.
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It's moments like these that I really love that Sudbury schools exist.
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A7: a non merit based schedule with strongest practitioners working with students with largest skill and confidence gaps
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I will definitely do that. I wish I had known about this before. Better late than never.
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A7: At 8th - 12th grd we are doing 5 year personal plans of study w/ T, S, & P mtg together to plan & personalize learning.
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Are they good? I've only been up there once to stare at the Big Nickel and look around at the moonscapes.
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Sounds wonderful. How is it going?
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Yes. and the crew will definitely leave the light on for you!
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Check out "Excellence Through Equity: Five Principles of Courageous Leadership to Guide Achievement for Every Student"
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Thank you. I could use a light. And an oasis. After years of advocacy, I feel battered.
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A7. Kids doing real work, not in age silos. Real audiences, much support. Passions balanced with a global view of justice.
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"Excellence Through Equity: Five Principles of Courageous Leadership to Guide Achievement for Every Student"
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Q8. As you create educational environs can you look through an lens and modify to build as you go?
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. we are having a good go at it. We'd like to eventfully make them 5 year rolling = vision of what's next.
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Thank you for changing my mood from rotten to hopeful.
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Yes, please! https://t.co/ctY49G9MbB
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A7. Kids doing real work, not in age silos. Real audiences, much support. Passions balanced with a global view of justice.
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I've heard a range of experiences. Some great Sudbury teachers on Twitter. Superb schools at their best.
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I believe everyone deserves respect, no matter how they treat you. I'm part hippy that way.
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I attended in Madoc, CHSS, not sure how it is now, but it services such a wide geo area, it had everything! So good!
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Thank you so much What a compliment! Here's to a restful rest of the evening. https://t.co/1cqkDwTSaS
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Thank you for changing my mood from rotten to hopeful.
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Do you have student and staff stability and buy in to support this?
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A8 Yes with a inquiry stance & willingness 2 modify even in the moment
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And most deserving. And you know it's genuine. Not one to blow smoke. I will have a good night. You, too.
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A8: I'm not certain. So much of what systems are in place are not up to me. My classroom is my reach in this area. I'll try
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A7 Paradise for kids. And thus paradise for teachers. And parents. Still a journey, but stumbling/recovery normalized.
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My best to each and every one of you who gives of yourself daily for your students, your communities, your world, and us all
