#1to1techat Archive
We discuss all aspects of the effective implementation of 1:1 programs in schools. We are comprised of teachers, tech coordinators,administrators, and school board members. All are welcome to attend and participate. We also welcome topic suggestions.
Wednesday March 16, 2016
Welcome to for Wed 3/16/16 & I are so glad you could join us. Is there a line between PBL & Student Centered Learning?
Welcome to as we discuss: The Line Between Student Centered Learning & PBL. Please introduce yourself. https://t.co/y4IHw4FFCf
We use the standard Q1/A1 format. Don't forget to tag so we don't miss anything. And don't worry! We archive every chat
Hi! I'm Lisa from Abingdon/Avon.
Hello! Vanessa, IL teacher in Kdg room with 1:1 iPads
Paula, online reading teacher for kids who fail to learn at school. Cheers!
Dan, business teacher from St. Louis.
Jon, HS Spanish & Tech Mentor from NJ, 1:1 Macbooks.
4th & 5th grade classroom teacher in Maine. 1:1 iPads. 1 bowl of ice cream.
Going to see if I can do tonight’s on my iPad and one handed. John from Saco, ME. Hist dept Chair & tech integrator.
Hello...loved the conersation last week so joining in for a bit tonight! Lisa from KCMO but Media Tech Specialist in KCK
Welcome to Glad you could join us.
A1: when student interest and choice drives where a class goes.
Good to "see" you tonight as always.
S centered learning is focused on Ss, their interests, & curiosities. It puts Ss in the driver's seat & empowers. Life long lrng
Glad to have you back with us. That's how it started for me 3 years ago.
A1: SCL is a focus on the individual rather than the whole class. It's needed because not every student learns the same way.
A1) S Centered= student choice, student led, learning. Teacher takes a back seat - facilitates not the puppet master
Student centered learning involves putting the student in the "drivers" seat.
A1 - no "Sage on Stage"; Ss doing the work by solving real world problems, creating, etc. T facilitating, answering Qs.
A1 it is where student control their learning. Students find the material and the teacher is on the side
Glad you're here. Does the whole class have to go there?
A1: If you focus on Students' Creativity, Collaboration, Communication & Critical Thinking, they are constructing & curating
As has taught me, "meddler in the middle."
Great phrase. Consider it stolen.
A1 it isn't guide on the side either. It is where students and the teacher are equal in the learning journey
A1: Ss have more independent work time, focus on their interests using their strengths. Need it to engage students & empower
Q1A: How do we move those Ts so deeply entrenched in the Sage on Stage? Thanks for the idea
only if you are all holding a sleeping 4 day old in your other hand
I like the implications for SCL. We meet each S where they're at, connect w/ their interest
21st Century Learning, much?
I guess I meant - Does the whole class have to go to the same place? I know they don't want to go where we are.
Believe this is the biggest challenge...Admins need to give support for teachers to change
Q2: How can you tell when your Student Centered Learning is successful? Or more importantly when it’s not?
I agree, but is it too tough of a sell for some? Do we bait them in w/ "Guide" & let them realize the equality?
A1- as an Instructional coach- I ask the questions... What is the goal and how do
I would say no but that is one of the big challenges
Provide examples & unearth worries of "classes gone wild" Support w time to obs, plan, implement, reflect@polonerd
A1a: Model, empower, celebrate their success & ask to share them. Share examples, offer help, not overwhelm.
Definitely a big challenge. I think Admins have to model it and show it can be messy at times but worth it.
A2- engagement and reflection
A2 I consider SCL a success when S are teaching S. Cross polination of ideas popping up in other S's projects
A2: When your s takes hold of concept, starts running with it, & has a blast exploring, it's a success if he can then pass it on
A1: it works when Ss demonstrate their knowledge in some way. It doesn't work when I get blank stares.
A2:when Ss want to show off their work
A2 cont Ss document growth over time & can share understanding & learning with authentic audiences, Ps, peers.
A2: Students are asking questions, finding and sharing new ideas/information, offering suggestions.
A2) When Ss begin to create, generate ideas, help/cheer each other & adjust when they fail! Also when they ask to continue!
A2) Successful when the Ss are in engaged, in control and tell about learning. Not when they are compliant & don't have a clue
A2 - when S work is not same. had a line about if all S projects are the same, it is not a project, it is a recipe
A2) Success can look different in every S too!
It takes to time to adjust. Takes students 2 weeks to get use to it
I just had a flashback to a school I taught at. I might not sleep tonight
A2 are they engaged? Do you see smiles?
Right! Can't just try it 1 day for 1 lesson. You need a better/bigger plan for success w/ Ss Centered Learning
That also solves so many of the "cheating" issues Ts report with 1:1. We need Ss to create!
A3: Hands-on application of knowledge. Not just recitation of info, demonstration of what was learned, how to use that info.
A3) Students learning driven by driving question. Relevant, real-world. Ss figuring out discoveries. Ts assists, not in control
A3: PBL is when students create something as opposed to regurgitate it.
PBL, S learning by working, investigating, creating, responding to engaging prob, or challenge. Ss start in same place & diverge
A3: We need more of it because we’re not asked to take standardized tests our whole lives.
Love the "and tell about learning" part of this. So important for Ss to reflect on their learning.
A3) PBL = authentic learning tied to a specific concept/inquiry or meets a specific authntic need.
Need more PBL because it models the work done out of school. Cross-curric, complex, time consuming, multiple variables.
A3: To me, it's providing Ss a context for learning. Not just skills, but how to apply them for a real reason. We need thinkers!
Passion projects can be a great venue for PBL. S's elicit a question that hopefully leads to more questions
Just reading that in Innovative Mindset. We're teaching Ss to be successful at school - we need prob solvers
But I could name countless ways that people create projects, demonstrate knowledge, and get people to agree with you
A3: World is full of problems and our students must be able to solve them. We give them the tools/skills with PBL
Jill, k-12 libn from ME here. A3: ss need to discover and feel like they are the experts. PBL helps that.
Thinking the same recently. We teach life out of kids & fill w school. Where is play? Curiosities?
And is that why Ts are afraid to go there? Complex & Time Consuming?
We beat the curiosity out of them by HS. They just want to know what's on the test. So discouraging.
Yes, . Complex, time consuming, and not housed in a silo. Also multiple pathways to success not one lane to an A.
Q4: How can you tell when your Project Based Learning is successful? Or more importantly when it’s not?
PBL should be student centered but student-centered does not have to be PBL
A3 give them a topic and the tools to solve. Ends with a solution
Glad you could join us tonight. Do you Ts doing this successfully? Admin supporting this?
A4 Would consider PBL unsuccessful if S work looked the same, not shared with wide audience, did not spark new questions.
Just co-taught in 1st grade. Took a lot of patience & guidance, but results and knowledge gained was well worth it
A4: I think it shows in the result: students are revved up and feel/look proud w/their final product
A success indicator would be that the project does not end. If the PBL is " one and done" S's have missed the mark
A4: Ss show lack of interest, disengaged, no connection to their world, and act out!
A4) PBL can be over managed by Ts often than Pas.Proj. S-driven learning. Need to be flexible/open to letting Ss take the lead
This is exactly what drives us to further learning & understanding Not just moving on to the next chptr https://t.co/Z0ETF1J6l0
A4 Would consider PBL unsuccessful if S work looked the same, not shared with wide audience, did not spark new questions.
A4: Not working when Ts give most of the info, Ss asking "is this right?", Ss losing interest in project.
Very difficult to stay out of the way for those who have been Sage on Stage for so long, or even new Ts not trained.
yes so true…will continue to be a challenge but must continue to support/give PD to shift!
Very difficult for teachers to make that paradigm shift
Let's also state that maker and PBL are to different ideas
Was that Q4 or was that "How can you tell when your Ts expect your 1:1 to fix what's wrong in their classrooms?"
If we see real value in PBL, we not only need to offer PD - we need to support them throughout the process
Q5...I answered this in another post.YES! & Should be more discerning when choose PBLs!
A5 It is possible to have SCL w/out PBL. Do not need a proj. Can collaboratively create lessons/curric w S based on S interest.
Thnx for this...My responses were all geared to Project-based! Started to ask that earlier!
I originally wrote Q's as Project Based Learning. Thanks for a great resource showing difference between PBL & PBL
Not only is the PD vital- but setting the stage for risk taking by all stake holders ( admin, colleagues etc)
Totally agree. Resources at their fingertips in a 1:1 allows them to move along faster in their learning process
A5) Yes, definitely so. Everything should be student centered
Yes & even then mindset is bigger challenge need to realize some will never be risk-takers even if given permission
Q6: Which would you encourage teachers in your school or district to try - SCL or PBL? Why? https://t.co/Hfp55fYemf
That is the question I ask myself daily - changing the mindset for risk taking. It's messy, complicated but so rewarding
Welcome. Glad you're here.
1:1 can hurt if not creation/productivity rather than drill/skill. Still see too much consumption.
A6: I still have a very 19th C ethos + sage/stage in my District in many places. So SCL by itself would be a HUGE leap forward.
A5 yes. Student centered learning in a mindset
a device only replacing old ways if it is used to look up, write, drill & test. #
A6: Student-centered learning; project not always necessary, focus on DoK, independence, responsibility for learning
Agreed! Putting worksheets into Notability doesn't take Ss to another level. Creating content does.
That was a VERY cool discussion. Thanks for leading the convo. See you all next week and every Wed at 9PM ET.
A6 Tough question. I'd encourage PBL. For me, more opportunity for momentum, S collaboration, T meddling, & breaking down silos
A6: I would say SCL, with clearly defined goals and expectations. Ss need to know the "why" and "value" to learning skills
A6: PBL lends itself to SCL...if PBL is SC, then SCL is natural.
A6 all of the above. Why does it have to be one or the other. Two ideas that can be combined
After a day of Parent/Teacher Conferences I was a bit sluggish. Thanks for putting the spring back into my step
A6: Loving what I'm seeing happening in the world in terms of hands on, learning by iterating. https://t.co/ibqsUpZv4A
I am feeling slip ugliest tonight too
Absolutely...regardless, students need to have purpose. Maybe that's the disconnect with some of the teachers that are stuck
LASTWORD: What resources from tonight’s chat will you implement or share with your teachers or students this week?
A6) Student-centered should be always present PBL is applied when it fits goals or presents itself. Agree w/ too
Love this. Great way to start Student Centered Learning. Have Ss create infographic on their choice of topic
Love the idea about it being natural. Keep it authentic for Ss & intended audience.
Both & I at feel as though we are Growth Mindset, Grit, Resilience teachers. more than anything else!
