#ASEchat Archive

The Association for Science Education (ASE) promotes excellence in science teaching and learning. Follow #ASEchat Mondays at 3pm ET.
Monday October 16, 2017
3:00 PM EDT
  • participatechat Oct 16 @ 3:00 PM EDT
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  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:01 PM EDT
    #ASEChat Chair of the Association @NeedhamL56 would like to start with a question
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:03 PM EDT
    #ASEChat Has everyone seen the recent report into the curriculum from #Ofsted? https://t.co/yjYQ57zwbB
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:03 PM EDT
    Last Thursday @Ofstednews @amanda_spielman Talked about an interim report which focused on a board and balanced curriculum #asechat 1/2
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:04 PM EDT
    here is the link https://t.co/O9hGsvD2lv what do teachers of science think? #asechat 2/2
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:05 PM EDT
    There were comments about the squeezing of the primary curriculum, so the focus is on E and M #asechat
  • oboelizzy Oct 16 @ 3:05 PM EDT
    aagh! Just when I have some time and really want to participate in #asechat my bloody WiFi connection is pants!! I'll do my best!
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:05 PM EDT
    and also the breadth of the curriculum in secondary, especially at KS3 where students start GCSE in Y9 #asechat
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:06 PM EDT
    The vote was for misconceptions in science so we’ll have that as our second topic in about 25 mins #asechat
    In reply to @oboelizzy
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:07 PM EDT
    Confirms findings in recent report from Wellcome. As primary schools train pupils for KS2 tests there is less science teaching #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:08 PM EDT
    #asechat
    • DSGhataura Oct 16 @ 3:05 PM EDT
      Yes. Initially I was angry about the KS3 comments -- 2 yr KS3 is almost a necessity now, but then I realised that AS was saying it is ok.BUT
      In reply to @ViciaScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:08 PM EDT
    Also concerns for lower attaining students who get pushed into reduced pathways (again narrow curriculum) cf. using voc routes #asechat
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:08 PM EDT
    #ASEChat
    • DSGhataura Oct 16 @ 3:07 PM EDT
      it isn't ok forever. I do like the challenge of a 5yr (7?) curriculum. That challenge will require very clever systems people...
      In reply to @ViciaScience
  • asober - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:09 PM EDT
    What the most common misconceptions in Science? #asechat tonight
  • stevethedoc1 Oct 16 @ 3:10 PM EDT
    #asechat sorry but confirms reportS of many years now at primary and confirms comments re ks3 for many yearS, so what will be done?
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:10 PM EDT
    #ASEChat - curriculum design and timetabling both key aspects of setting a curriculum, but need vision too
    In reply to @DSGhataura
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:10 PM EDT
    Hi getting some feed back about @amanda_spielman comments last week about curriculum then over to the misconceptions question #asechat
    In reply to @asober, @amanda_spielman
  • doc_kristy Oct 16 @ 3:10 PM EDT
    And also takes time to develop... I am only just getting good at it after more than a decade of teaching various curricula #ASEchat
    In reply to @DSGhataura, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:11 PM EDT
    Apparently Ofsted will be more focussed on balance in the curriculum in future #asechat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @NeedhamL56
  • oboelizzy Oct 16 @ 3:11 PM EDT
    Why divide curric into 3+4 at all? Why not structure for understanding from 7-11and just add spec specifics at appropriate points? #asechat
    In reply to @DSGhataura, @ViciaScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:11 PM EDT
    WE have to hope that @ofsted enact the concerns in practice, and support a balanced curriculum for all in line with NC #asechat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @ViciaScience, @ofsted
  • doc_kristy Oct 16 @ 3:11 PM EDT
    Now I feel like I really understand the ins and outs so can take an overview and design a bespoke curriculum for my pupils #ASEChat
    In reply to @DSGhataura, @ViciaScience
  • DSGhataura Oct 16 @ 3:11 PM EDT
    #asechat I see vision-in-design but I grant your point. I feel as though the best visions are made by those in intimate conversation with...
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:12 PM EDT
    Historical division of school into four key stages. Needs parliament to dissolve KS3 nat curriculum apparently #asechat
    In reply to @oboelizzy, @DSGhataura
  • LessonToolbox Oct 16 @ 3:12 PM EDT
    #Lego to predict/compare carbon stores via @best_shona #ukedchat #asechat #aussieEd .
  • cleverfiend Oct 16 @ 3:12 PM EDT
    Even in special education there is a pressure to do GCSEs - especially as there is very little else. L1 BTEC not updated in ages #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • stevethedoc1 Oct 16 @ 3:12 PM EDT
    #asechat but Wilshaw said same thing several years back still no need to change in school, apparently!
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @NeedhamL56
  • DSGhataura Oct 16 @ 3:13 PM EDT
    ...the subject. I want a 7 yr curriculum where progression to A level is hardbaked. I hate this go backwards from GCSE faff #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:13 PM EDT
    Thats interesting I’m also concerned about the curicc offer to Low attaining students Entry level then whats the progression route? #asechat
    In reply to @cleverfiend
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:14 PM EDT
    So why have GCSE at all in this 7 yr model? #ASEChat Just terminal exam at 18?
    In reply to @DSGhataura
  • stevethedoc1 Oct 16 @ 3:14 PM EDT
    #asechat hopefully not, else we will have 5 year GCSE as school's focus on tests
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @oboelizzy, @DSGhataura
  • DSGhataura Oct 16 @ 3:14 PM EDT
    #asechat I flitter between a hardcore "I go backwards from a good physicist" which means I miss out things from the spec I dont like...
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:15 PM EDT
    KS3 The wasted years was the @Ofsted report. includes weak transition as well as poor curriculum at KS3 #asechat
    • stevethedoc1 Oct 16 @ 3:12 PM EDT
      #asechat but Wilshaw said same thing several years back still no need to change in school, apparently!
      In reply to @ViciaScience, @NeedhamL56
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  • oboelizzy Oct 16 @ 3:15 PM EDT
    No it doesn't!! #asechat and anyway NC doesn't apply to most secs now as they are academies!!!
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @DSGhataura
  • DSGhataura Oct 16 @ 3:15 PM EDT
    ...and the very real and professional need to cover the spec. Shame that the spec is so central now... :( #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:15 PM EDT
    Not just in science, but what else is available to low attaining students if GCSE is not appropriate? #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @cleverfiend
  • cleverfiend Oct 16 @ 3:15 PM EDT
    there is a huge void between ELC and GCSE. ELC is little more than a re-run of KS3. The problem is the assessment, not content #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • stevethedoc1 Oct 16 @ 3:16 PM EDT
    #asechat thought it was a 13+ model
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @DSGhataura
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 16 @ 3:16 PM EDT
    AQA wrote an entry level certificate: https://t.co/CKbtc1VL3w #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @NeedhamL56, @cleverfiend
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:16 PM EDT
    KS3 wasted years @Ofstednews here https://t.co/7SlyOOXoOS to serve as a baseline for future improvements #asechat
  • cleverfiend Oct 16 @ 3:16 PM EDT
    it's already happening in some schools - I know of at least one. #asechat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @ViciaScience, @oboelizzy, @DSGhataura
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 16 @ 3:17 PM EDT
    It's such a shame that lots of kids experience of science is a teacher/dept/school using the spec as a SoW, rather than a checklist #asechat
    In reply to @DSGhataura, @ViciaScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:17 PM EDT
    could Level 1 BTEC fill the gap? if not should it be updated so it does? #asechat
    In reply to @cleverfiend
  • stevethedoc1 Oct 16 @ 3:17 PM EDT
    #asechat and a year before that in article in TES nothing's new,
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @ofsted
  • cleverfiend Oct 16 @ 3:18 PM EDT
    Since GCSE specs are based on NC you have to follow it anyway, freedom is a fallacy #asechat
    In reply to @oboelizzy, @ViciaScience, @DSGhataura
  • tyleredtc4001 Oct 16 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    Assessment has always been an issue in special education. #asechat
    In reply to @cleverfiend, @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    You’d have to have some pretty good arguments and an enacted broad curriculum to get away with doing anything radical #academies #asechat
    • cleverfiend Oct 16 @ 3:18 PM EDT
      Since GCSE specs are based on NC you have to follow it anyway, freedom is a fallacy #asechat
      In reply to @oboelizzy, @ViciaScience, @DSGhataura
  • oboelizzy Oct 16 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    I know Rob - was just sort of putting it out there! #asechat
    In reply to @cleverfiend, @ViciaScience, @DSGhataura
  • asober - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    That is how it works in Italy, but then you specialise at 14 there, i.e. take sci, art, lang, hum, or vocational route #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @DSGhataura
  • tyleredtc4001 Oct 16 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    Students are given the content but aren't being assessed to see if they understand #asechat
    In reply to @cleverfiend, @NeedhamL56
  • cleverfiend Oct 16 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    Level 1 BTEC is so dull - anyone who has taught future fuels knows. It could be rewritten to have strong investigative focus #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:20 PM EDT
    Not wishing to argue but GCSE content decided by DfE before NC KS4 science was published #asechat
    In reply to @cleverfiend, @oboelizzy, @DSGhataura
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 16 @ 3:20 PM EDT
    Sounds like a 5 year GCSE to me. I don't see the upset about that TBH, as long as it is structured and scaffolded. #asechat
    In reply to @DSGhataura, @oboelizzy, @ViciaScience
  • stevethedoc1 Oct 16 @ 3:20 PM EDT
    #asechat given massive academy status of secondary school, they can do what ever curriculum they want to, no restriction to NC
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @NeedhamL56, @cleverfiend
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:21 PM EDT
    Specialising at 14 is more acceptable than specialising at 12 which happens in many English schools #asechat
    In reply to @asober, @DSGhataura
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:21 PM EDT
    Any thoughts @EdexcelScience Katherine? #asechat any chance of a revamp?
    • cleverfiend Oct 16 @ 3:19 PM EDT
      Level 1 BTEC is so dull - anyone who has taught future fuels knows. It could be rewritten to have strong investigative focus #asechat
      In reply to @ViciaScience, @NeedhamL56
  • asober - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:22 PM EDT
    Are you referring to Grammar Schools? #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @DSGhataura
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:22 PM EDT
    And as long as students get to study lang, hum, arts, tech as well! #asechat
    In reply to @mrbakerphysics, @DSGhataura, @oboelizzy
  • oboelizzy Oct 16 @ 3:22 PM EDT
    Agree-i think-but only if assessment led practices put off till yr 11- please please can we focus on conceptual understanding #asechat
    In reply to @mrbakerphysics, @DSGhataura, @ViciaScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:22 PM EDT
    Do children end up in the ‘wrong’ route? #asechat
    • asober - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:19 PM EDT
      That is how it works in Italy, but then you specialise at 14 there, i.e. take sci, art, lang, hum, or vocational route #asechat
      In reply to @ViciaScience, @DSGhataura
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:23 PM EDT
    But expectation to do GCSEs which cover same content and more than NC #asechat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @NeedhamL56, @cleverfiend
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 16 @ 3:23 PM EDT
    Indeed. Exam practise is essential, but at the end, once they know it. Criminal to throw exam questions at Yr7 every lesson IMO #asechat
    In reply to @oboelizzy, @DSGhataura, @ViciaScience
  • stevethedoc1 Oct 16 @ 3:24 PM EDT
    #asechat thought school's believed there was just the one route now
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 16 @ 3:24 PM EDT
    Yes, but they all have to do science the whole way through, so that's a separate issue. #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @DSGhataura, @oboelizzy
  • oboelizzy Oct 16 @ 3:24 PM EDT
    Absolutely! AND MUSIC!! (preferably how to play a woodwind instument 😉😉) #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @mrbakerphysics, @DSGhataura
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:24 PM EDT
    No. Comprehensive schools are starting GCSE in Y9, so students select and drop subjects in Y8 - only 2 yrs to study breadth #asechat
    In reply to @asober, @DSGhataura
  • asober - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:24 PM EDT
    My main complaint about BTEC is it's was too open to abuse! Bit suspicious when some schools jumped from 30% to 80+% A-C overnight #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @EdexcelScience
  • stevethedoc1 Oct 16 @ 3:24 PM EDT
    #asechat or is this the biggest misconception in science education?
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @NeedhamL56, @cleverfiend
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:24 PM EDT
    Yes, @asober was talking about what happens in Italy! #asechat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @asober
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:25 PM EDT
    That bit has gone now, but the course could still be a useful progression for low attainers. Schools won’t use as ‘doesn’t count’ #asechat
    In reply to @asober, @EdexcelScience
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 16 @ 3:26 PM EDT
    Never understood that argument. Isn't a student passing something that "doesn't count" the same for the school as them failing 1/2 #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @asober, @EdexcelScience
  • DSGhataura Oct 16 @ 3:27 PM EDT
    Interested in #asechat thoughts about specialist maths schools beyond 14. Like the Soviets-ishhh
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @mrbakerphysics, @oboelizzy
  • IzabellaGeltman Oct 16 @ 3:27 PM EDT
    I enjoy the idea of students being able to show their knowledge through differentiation! Choice is important in a classroom #ASEChat
    In reply to @j11p43f
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 16 @ 3:27 PM EDT
    something that does count? No points for the school either way. But the students got something rather than a U? 2/2 #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @asober, @EdexcelScience
  • asober - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:27 PM EDT
    …so, either the course was not fit for purpose, or some schools were not playing by the rules. I’ll let you decide which ;-) #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @EdexcelScience
  • oboelizzy Oct 16 @ 3:27 PM EDT
    #asechat please excuse erratic responses-on tablet in caravan in Southport in Ophelia winds on 4G cos site wifi gone down!! #yesiknowimdaft
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:28 PM EDT
    #asechat
    • DSGhataura Oct 16 @ 3:27 PM EDT
      Some schools do that. Literally.
      In reply to @mrbakerphysics, @oboelizzy, @ViciaScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:29 PM EDT
    Double like! Its about the students finding something that helps them to make progress, #asechat
    • mrbakerphysics Oct 16 @ 3:27 PM EDT
      something that does count? No points for the school either way. But the students got something rather than a U? 2/2 #asechat
      In reply to @NeedhamL56, @asober, @EdexcelScience
  • asober - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:29 PM EDT
    Half way through #asechat. Shall we move to discussing misconceptions in science?
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 16 @ 3:29 PM EDT
    You stream when they chose, but we could teach certain key topics to 7/8/9 at GCSE depth, rather than dumbing down then reteaching #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @DSGhataura, @oboelizzy
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:30 PM EDT
    OK thanks for your feedback, Handing back over to @asober now to pick up the Misconceptions topic #asechat
  • stevethedoc1 Oct 16 @ 3:30 PM EDT
    #asechat never!! Surely it is only about school league table position?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! N
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:30 PM EDT
    Is that student misconceptions that get in the way of learning science? #asechat
    In reply to @asober
  • DSGhataura Oct 16 @ 3:31 PM EDT
    This has been my mantra since day one. Absolutely criminal that we don't do protons,n and e in the first lesson. The billard ball...#asechat
    In reply to @mrbakerphysics, @ViciaScience, @oboelizzy
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:31 PM EDT
    We could spend hours listing misconceptions around different topics! #asechat
    In reply to @asober
  • DSGhataura Oct 16 @ 3:31 PM EDT
    model is just too limited for any interesting chemistry, or electrical science, or...well...most things. #asechat
    In reply to @mrbakerphysics, @ViciaScience, @oboelizzy
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 16 @ 3:32 PM EDT
    Yup and if it was the first they'd seen it they'd go "oh ok", whereas we embed wrong things, that we then have to fight out of them #asechat
    In reply to @DSGhataura, @ViciaScience, @oboelizzy
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:32 PM EDT
    Does this billiard ball model help or hinder understanding? #asechat
    In reply to @DSGhataura, @mrbakerphysics, @oboelizzy
  • asober - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:33 PM EDT
    Here is a nice one to think about. What are the forces on an apple on a table and are they example of Newton 3rd law? #asechat
  • stevethedoc1 Oct 16 @ 3:33 PM EDT
    #asechat or should the chat be about how to illuminate misconception or EVEN how to challenge and change the misconception?
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @asober
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:33 PM EDT
    How do you get across the idea that a table exerts a force on an object sitting on the table? #asechat
    In reply to @mrbakerphysics, @DSGhataura, @oboelizzy
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:34 PM EDT
    Which is? #asechat do you mean what would a child be thinking about the apple? and if they have misconceptions?
    In reply to @asober
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:34 PM EDT
    First step - make teacher aware of misconception, then student, then class then present alternative? #asechat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @asober
  • stevethedoc1 Oct 16 @ 3:34 PM EDT
    #asechat inflated balloon on head perhaps
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @mrbakerphysics, @DSGhataura, @oboelizzy
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:34 PM EDT
    Yes both of those would be interesting #asechat
    • stevethedoc1 Oct 16 @ 3:33 PM EDT
      #asechat or should the chat be about how to illuminate misconception or EVEN how to challenge and change the misconception?
      In reply to @ViciaScience, @asober
  • asober - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:35 PM EDT
    I suppose you can get a heavy mass to a kid to hold with their arm straight think if they are exerting a force or not :-) #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @mrbakerphysics, @DSGhataura, @oboelizzy
  • DSGhataura Oct 16 @ 3:35 PM EDT
    #asechat Hinders imo because if you can present a more powerful model in the same time...why waste your kids time?
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @mrbakerphysics, @oboelizzy
  • mrsjmclark Oct 16 @ 3:35 PM EDT
    Some absolutely amazing work handed in from my Year 9s on the cells of dif. kingdoms and virus particles! @AceThatTest #dualcoding #ASEChat
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 16 @ 3:35 PM EDT
    Get a cheeky kid to hold a mass out at arms length for a while. Table must be doing the same thing they are. Arm hurts = force #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @DSGhataura, @oboelizzy
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    Anne Goldsworthy very good at explaining opposing forces using a balloon #asechat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @mrbakerphysics, @DSGhataura, @oboelizzy
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 16 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    I did the same last year, they were 'better' than my Top 9s who I did the same lessons with at the same time. Just accepted it #asechat
    In reply to @DSGhataura, @ViciaScience, @oboelizzy
  • DSGhataura Oct 16 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    #Asechat @AllyPhysics had THE BEST demo of N3L with a toy car at #SPEED2016
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @mrbakerphysics, @oboelizzy, @AllyPhysics
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    I agree - fine balance when explaining new science to use understandable model or scientifically more accurate model #asechat
    In reply to @DSGhataura, @mrbakerphysics, @oboelizzy
  • asober - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:37 PM EDT
    I think learners need to articulate their ideas, compare with each other and try to find faults in arguments b4 giving better model #asechat
  • DSGhataura Oct 16 @ 3:37 PM EDT
    #asechat electrical repulsion ... because ta-da you've told them a powerful model!
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @mrbakerphysics, @oboelizzy
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:37 PM EDT
    Do explain! #asechat
    In reply to @DSGhataura, @mrbakerphysics, @oboelizzy, @AllyPhysics
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:38 PM EDT
    We find it quite easy to think using conceptual models, do our students get that we are talking models and what we mean by that? #asechat
  • DSGhataura Oct 16 @ 3:38 PM EDT
    I argue that accurate or understandable isn't what we go for: I think it's how powerful the model is. #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @mrbakerphysics, @oboelizzy
  • oboelizzy Oct 16 @ 3:39 PM EDT
    Hmm - probably need more than 140 for this - key is word 'model' imo and what is meant by accuracy?! #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @DSGhataura, @mrbakerphysics
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:39 PM EDT
    Not all misconceptions are linked to physical science - inheritance and ecology anyone? #asechat
  • asober - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    Yes, I love that explanation! But if we are looking at the forces on the APPLE only, what are they? #asechat Ann’s example are...
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @stevethedoc1, @mrbakerphysics, @DSGhataura, @oboelizzy
  • DSGhataura Oct 16 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    #ASEChat
    • DSGhataura Oct 16 @ 3:39 PM EDT
      Thermal physics, specific heat capacity are so fundamental and powerful and useful, they should be taught over 2 months of yr 7#asechat
      In reply to @ViciaScience, @mrbakerphysics, @oboelizzy
  • stevethedoc1 Oct 16 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    #asechat when does model stop explaining/ help understanding (breakdown) it is not the real thing?
    In reply to @oboelizzy, @ViciaScience, @DSGhataura, @mrbakerphysics
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    Have you ever used a balloon in a bell jar to model the inflation of lungs? #asechat
    In reply to @DSGhataura, @mrbakerphysics, @oboelizzy
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 16 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    How many textbooks tell students that eye colour is controlled by 1 gene from each parent?! #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • asober - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    …force of hand on balloon and force of balloon on hand, hence N3. Is it the same with the forces on the apple? #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @stevethedoc1, @mrbakerphysics, @DSGhataura, @oboelizzy
  • DSGhataura Oct 16 @ 3:41 PM EDT
    Remind me tomorrow. Like actually remind me: I'll record a video. #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @mrbakerphysics, @oboelizzy, @AllyPhysics
  • oboelizzy Oct 16 @ 3:41 PM EDT
    Wot?! Nah - you and I need to talk Deep - 140 no good for this- focus on conceptual understanding not factual recall at this stage #asechat
    In reply to @DSGhataura, @mrbakerphysics, @ViciaScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:41 PM EDT
    Ideas for using models https://t.co/iTgbbcXNma (Nat Strats stuff) #asechat
  • mrsjmclark Oct 16 @ 3:41 PM EDT
    So proud of the effort my Yr 9s put into their HW. Drawing cells of different kingdoms and virus particles #dualcoding #ASEChat @AceThatTest
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:42 PM EDT
    Or how many relatives have said how much a boy is like his father (and 'vice versa' with girls) #asechat
    In reply to @mrbakerphysics
  • DSGhataura Oct 16 @ 3:42 PM EDT
    Nope. I hate biology teaching. The sooner cybernetic implants come in the better. #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @mrbakerphysics, @oboelizzy
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:43 PM EDT
    and don’t forget Ros Driver books #asechat nothing much has changed about children understanding of science, and what they come with
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:43 PM EDT
    But even cyborgs, I hope, are dependent on human intervention?? #asechat
    In reply to @DSGhataura, @mrbakerphysics, @oboelizzy
  • DSGhataura Oct 16 @ 3:44 PM EDT
    YES. #asechat *but* do it again and again and again. Make the board heavier and heavier
    In reply to @danielkwest_, @ViciaScience, @mrbakerphysics, @oboelizzy, @AllyPhysics
  • asober - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:44 PM EDT
    Since people seem to have moved on from the apple, here is a detailed Blog post on the issue https://t.co/DXxCPvywNz enjoy #asechat :-)
  • stevethedoc1 Oct 16 @ 3:44 PM EDT
    #asechat and even NSTA atlas of scientific literacy
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 16 @ 3:44 PM EDT
    I've often wondered if this would be a better KS3 than most SoWs: https://t.co/JiVfJCfW6a If they 'got' all of those youd be happy! #asechat
  • oboelizzy Oct 16 @ 3:44 PM EDT
    Yes! Many times in long distant past - and?? #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @DSGhataura, @mrbakerphysics
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:44 PM EDT
    This is #asechat come on keep up! :)
  • DSGhataura Oct 16 @ 3:45 PM EDT
    #asechat To the point where it visibly does not move. BUT you just showed it does so the kids are like "OMG IT IS PUSHINGBACKOMGERSH"
    In reply to @danielkwest_, @ViciaScience, @mrbakerphysics, @oboelizzy, @AllyPhysics
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:45 PM EDT
    Ask class and colleagues which in this list are animals: fish, cow, worm, human, ant, whale, snake, hedgehog. You may be surprised #ASEChat
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 16 @ 3:46 PM EDT
    Blew my mind every time I had to argue with kids that humans are animals. #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • asober - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:46 PM EDT
    Well, I just couldn’t believe people would ditch Newton in favour of eye colour. In a physicist eye there is no comparison ;-) #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • stevethedoc1 Oct 16 @ 3:47 PM EDT
    #asechat why, would the responses be any different than they were 35 years ago?
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:47 PM EDT
    In what way is this an adequate model? #ASEChat.
    In reply to @oboelizzy, @DSGhataura, @mrbakerphysics
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:48 PM EDT
    so misconceptions are not just a result of being taught inadequate models. Language has a lot of influence on understanding #asechat
    In reply to @mrbakerphysics
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 16 @ 3:50 PM EDT
    Discussing how it's inaccurate, and how to improve it, is half the benefit of a model. #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @oboelizzy, @DSGhataura
  • stevethedoc1 Oct 16 @ 3:50 PM EDT
    #asechat oh yes! 'Stomach ache', ' stare at you' etc
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @mrbakerphysics
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:50 PM EDT
    I'm sure most misconceptions are immune to change, easier to hold alternative conceptions at same time use one which is appropriate #asechat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:50 PM EDT
    More support about misconceptions here https://t.co/IA0rTK3FEc (Including scientific and everyday meanings #asechat
  • cleverfiend Oct 16 @ 3:50 PM EDT
    Sometimes the deepest engrained misconceptions have a small & simple origin eg put a potential difference through (not across) etc #asechat
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:51 PM EDT
    Its a ‘good enough’ model ? Criticise and improve #asechat
    • mrbakerphysics Oct 16 @ 3:50 PM EDT
      Discussing how it's inaccurate, and how to improve it, is half the benefit of a model. #asechat
      In reply to @ViciaScience, @oboelizzy, @DSGhataura
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:52 PM EDT
    Not just in children in my experience #ASEChat Good example. Another is how SUNlight /daytime are essential for photosynthesis
    • AlfredoNokez1 Oct 16 @ 3:48 PM EDT
      Kids seem to want respiration & photosynthesis to alternate in plants....A common misconception.
      In reply to @ViciaScience
  • stevethedoc1 Oct 16 @ 3:52 PM EDT
    #asechat yes, where does it stop helping us understand or explain ?
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • asober - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:53 PM EDT
    That is why it is important to generate cognitive conflicts to help learner challenge their own misconceptions in science #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @stevethedoc1
  • SKLchem Oct 16 @ 3:54 PM EDT
    #asechat used children's learning in science resources on Friday (also via stem learning) when discussing misconceptions
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • DSGhataura Oct 16 @ 3:54 PM EDT
    #asechat is that lovely nice corner of twitter. Thank god it exists.
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:54 PM EDT
    Any evidence that misconceptions are ditched? Or is the science version assimilated into the mass of stuff to be trotted out later? #asechat
    In reply to @asober, @stevethedoc1
  • stevethedoc1 Oct 16 @ 3:54 PM EDT
    #asechat too right!! Hence my earlier thoughts re how to challenge, what alternatives?
    In reply to @asober, @ViciaScience
  • asober - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:54 PM EDT
    .@veritasium videos have a great way to elicit and challenging misconceptions in students, for example https://t.co/jZX4yS9JoT #asechat
  • DSGhataura Oct 16 @ 3:55 PM EDT
    @adamboxer1 wrote a fair bit about cog conflict on his blog #asechat
    In reply to @asober, @ViciaScience, @stevethedoc1, @adamboxer1
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:56 PM EDT
    Many misconceptions in children are hard to shift. Maybe we just teach them to use science ideas as and when appropriate #asechat
  • asober - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:56 PM EDT
    According to @veritasium yes! See this video https://t.co/EYeU7PqXJD It is so clever an subtle that you can’t avoid smiling :-) #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @stevethedoc1, @veritasium
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 16 @ 3:56 PM EDT
    Love using these with a class. I used 'ton of feather, ton of bricks' for density: https://t.co/MX6PFRVuLp #asechat
    In reply to @asober, @veritasium
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    Beams with pride! thanks to people like you @DSGhataura #asechat
  • whizzpopbangmag Oct 16 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    Jumping in at the end of #asechat with a quick question - we're thinking of coming to ASE conference in Jan, do primary teachers attend?
  • whitebug16 Oct 16 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    #asechat @theASE did whole Primary Science magazine about social media in science. Could not find mention of chat :( it's so useful....
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:58 PM EDT
    Yes - there is a strong primary strand running through conference - see programme on website #ASEChat
    In reply to @whizzpopbangmag
  • asober - Moderator Oct 16 @ 3:58 PM EDT
    Lol! Try taking a video of friends and children trying to expl what a “shooting star” is! Or could just show a Noddy episode :-D #asechat
    In reply to @mrbakerphysics, @veritasium
  • ViciaScience Oct 16 @ 3:59 PM EDT
    Also need times for people to meet in person - such as at conferences and teach meets. EG ASE Conference in Sheffield on Nov 11 #ASEChat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @DSGhataura
  • DSGhataura Oct 16 @ 3:59 PM EDT
    It was good that we all had that chat about #asechat at #YorkTU.
    In reply to @NeedhamL56