#iteachphysics Archive

Bi-weekly professional development Twitter chat for physics teachers

Saturday April 16, 2016
10:00 AM EDT

MrsMurat Apr 16 @ 10:00 AM EDT

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iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:01 AM EDT

Good morning Welcome to this week's #iteachphysics chat.
BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:01 AM EDT

Good morning Welcome to this week's #iteachphysics chat.
iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:04 AM EDT

This week let's discuss what, if anything, different physics teachers must do to support K-16 engineering education #iteachphysics
BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:04 AM EDT

This week let's discuss what, if anything, different physics teachers must do to support K-16 engineering education #iteachphysics
MrLeNadj Apr 16 @ 10:06 AM EDT

Good morning fellow #iteachphysics colleagues. I am looking forward an hour of cool #PhysicsEd conversations. #modphys #teach180 #4DidiRA
iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:07 AM EDT

Perhaps let's begin by articulating what are the essential features and needs of engineering ed as it relates to physics #iteachphysics
BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:07 AM EDT

Perhaps let's begin by articulating what are the essential features and needs of engineering ed as it relates to physics #iteachphysics
iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:09 AM EDT

Before we jump in let's do a roll call. Tell us where you teach + what grade level. Pls remember to use #iteachphysics in all your tweets
BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:09 AM EDT

Before we jump in let's do a roll call. Tell us where you teach + what grade level. Pls remember to use #iteachphysics in all your tweets
MrLeNadj Apr 16 @ 10:10 AM EDT

@BlackPhysicists #iteachphysics I'm a great fan of more coverage of STR & QM in HS but if engineering is the focus, CM must take precedence.
MrLeNadj Apr 16 @ 10:13 AM EDT

@BlackPhysicists #iteachphysics in Michigan, Grades = 9-12, 2YC, & U, #iteachastronomy, #iteachForensicScience, & #iteachmath |Use #modphys
BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:14 AM EDT

uTeach engineering as articulated a vision of pre-college engineering Ed here https://t.co/PN6IzFmdLd #iteachphysics.
iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:14 AM EDT

uTeach engineering as articulated a vision of pre-college engineering Ed here https://t.co/fRWJOpnup7 #iteachphysics.
BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:15 AM EDT

The key elements seem to be "design" and "teamwork". Can we work those principles into physics w/o a change of curriculum? #iteachphysics
iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:15 AM EDT

The key elements seem to be "design" and "teamwork". Can we work those principles into physics w/o a change of curriculum? #iteachphysics
MrLeNadj Apr 16 @ 10:15 AM EDT

I wonder if #TaxDay is weighing heavy on #iteachphysics crowds? :-)
MrLeNadj Apr 16 @ 10:18 AM EDT

@BlackPhysicists #iteachphysics Teamwork should not b a problem b/c of the very nature of how #physics labs should b done. Design, not sure?
iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:18 AM EDT

That is to say, "design" & "teamwork" seem to be social-pyscho constructs of work, and not necessarily scientific curriculum #iteachphysics
BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:18 AM EDT

That is to say, "design" & "teamwork" seem to be social-pyscho constructs of work, and not necessarily scientific curriculum #iteachphysics
achmorrison Apr 16 @ 10:19 AM EDT

@BlackPhysicists design is critical for engineering and physics. Need to foster that idea early. #iteachphysics
MrLeNadj Apr 16 @ 10:20 AM EDT

@BlackPhysicists #iteachphysics Would having Ss come up with their own procedures count as helping with #design matters?
iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:20 AM EDT

How about letting students design experiments to elucidate principles instead of using the canned ones we always use #iteachphysics
BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:20 AM EDT

How about letting students design experiments to elucidate principles instead of using the canned ones we always use #iteachphysics
MrLeNadj Apr 16 @ 10:21 AM EDT
But, how can this be transferred within the context of #physicsed? #iteachphysics https://t.co/UAiXyfTI56
- achmorrison Apr 16 @ 10:19 AM EDT
  
  @BlackPhysicists design is critical for engineering and physics. Need to foster that idea early. #iteachphysics
MrLeNadj Apr 16 @ 10:22 AM EDT

@BlackPhysicists #iteachphysics I have given up on canned experiments since I adopted #modphys (#modphysics) approach to learning. But, +
achmorrison Apr 16 @ 10:22 AM EDT
Yes!!! See the ISLE materials from @EEtkina for example. #iteachphysics https://t.co/1xcpLcShAR
- BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:20 AM EDT
  
  How about letting students design experiments to elucidate principles instead of using the canned ones we always use #iteachphysics
MrLeNadj Apr 16 @ 10:24 AM EDT

@BlackPhysicists + is this enough from an #engineering point of view? #iteachphysics
achmorrison Apr 16 @ 10:24 AM EDT

@MrLeNadj @BlackPhysicists I think it starts by implementing the lab design elements as early in the semester as possible. #iteachphysics
BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:25 AM EDT

Engineering education is trying to shed "engineering science" in favor of "design". But math & science is has to be right #iteachphysics
iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:25 AM EDT

Engineering education is trying to shed "engineering science" in favor of "design". But math & science is has to be right #iteachphysics
achmorrison Apr 16 @ 10:27 AM EDT
An easy way to get started doing this is to give one-sentence labs. #iteachphysics #ospl https://t.co/1xcpLcShAR
- BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:20 AM EDT
  
  How about letting students design experiments to elucidate principles instead of using the canned ones we always use #iteachphysics
iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:28 AM EDT

I think SCALE-UP from NC State physics group is a solution to "teamwork" in physics education #iteachphysics
BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:28 AM EDT

I think SCALE-UP from NC State physics group is a solution to "teamwork" in physics education #iteachphysics
MrLeNadj Apr 16 @ 10:29 AM EDT

@BlackPhysicists #iteachphysics Well this is the catch22 deal; strong #math & #physics backgrounds r required but more Ss come ill prepared!
achmorrison Apr 16 @ 10:30 AM EDT

@BlackPhysicists agreed. How can physics be better partners w/ engineering to improve education especially in first 2 years? #iteachphysics
MrLeNadj Apr 16 @ 10:30 AM EDT

@BlackPhysicists #iteachphysics I am not familiar with SCALE-UP, research & reading time 4 me.
BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:30 AM EDT

But maybe more inventive labs, perhaps done in conjunction w chem, math, even music, art & phys ed teachers would be helpful #iteachphysics
iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:30 AM EDT

But maybe more inventive labs, perhaps done in conjunction w chem, math, even music, art & phys ed teachers would be helpful #iteachphysics
MrLeNadj Apr 16 @ 10:31 AM EDT

@BlackPhysicists #iteachphysics So, this dictates the time and coverage priorities as far as Ss are concerned.
BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:31 AM EDT

For instance, can the physics and music teacher come together to arrange an orchestra or band? #iteachphysics
iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:31 AM EDT

For instance, can the physics and music teacher come together to arrange an orchestra or band? #iteachphysics
nuclear94 Apr 16 @ 10:31 AM EDT

@achmorrison @BlackPhysicists I do like the idea of one sentence labs and letting students explore how to conduct them? #iteachphysics
nuclear94 Apr 16 @ 10:33 AM EDT

@achmorrison @BlackPhysicists I have tried to do this but I find that as time progresses students like these less and less #iteachphysics
MrLeNadj Apr 16 @ 10:33 AM EDT

@BlackPhysicists #iteachphysics Possibly but my take on this is that if I am sought, I shall assist. If I'm not sought, I conduct workshops.
BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:34 AM EDT

Physics teacher and track coaches can easily come together to plan strategy for running races #iteachphysics There's an arxiv paper on this
iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:34 AM EDT

Physics teacher and track coaches can easily come together to plan strategy for running races #iteachphysics There's an arxiv paper on this
nuclear94 Apr 16 @ 10:34 AM EDT

@achmorrison @BlackPhysicists in my experience, current students are less equipped for challenges, want road maps #iteachphysics
MrLeNadj Apr 16 @ 10:34 AM EDT

@nuclear94 @achmorrison @BlackPhysicists #iteachphysics Examples? And how open is the structure truly?
nuclear94 Apr 16 @ 10:35 AM EDT

@achmorrison @BlackPhysicists have to admit that this concerns me. I never received a road map in science. #iteachphysics
MrLeNadj Apr 16 @ 10:35 AM EDT

@nuclear94 @achmorrison @BlackPhysicists #iteachphysics A very big hurdle that #educators face more nowadays!
BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:36 AM EDT

Maybe physics teachers have to bring more supplement texts to the Ss attention, like Physics in Theater book just published #iteachphysics
iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:36 AM EDT

Maybe physics teachers have to bring more supplement texts to the Ss attention, like Physics in Theater book just published #iteachphysics
nuclear94 Apr 16 @ 10:36 AM EDT

One thing I've done in the past in small classes is to allow students to chose their own open ended labs. #iteachphysics
achmorrison Apr 16 @ 10:36 AM EDT

@nuclear94 @BlackPhysicists I think it is important and appropriate to teach that idea to our students early and often. #iteachphysics
iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:37 AM EDT

There is 'Biomedical Applications of Intro Physics" by Tuszynski and Dixon, which would be a good textbook companion #iteachphysics
BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:37 AM EDT

There is 'Biomedical Applications of Intro Physics" by Tuszynski and Dixon, which would be a good textbook companion #iteachphysics
nuclear94 Apr 16 @ 10:38 AM EDT

In one of my favorite open ended student projects, @AnalyticalBB built an outstanding light harp. #science and #art #iteachphysics
BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:39 AM EDT

That's in addition to textbook companions that help with general problem solving #iteachphysics. But cost soon gets in the way
iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:39 AM EDT

That's in addition to textbook companions that help with general problem solving #iteachphysics. But cost soon gets in the way
BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:41 AM EDT

@nuclear94 @AnalyticalBB That sounds super-duper awesome! #iteachphysics
nuclear94 Apr 16 @ 10:41 AM EDT

This is a big concern of mine. I chose not to use a textbook for a class this year because of the cost. @BlackPhysicists #iteachphysics
MrLeNadj Apr 16 @ 10:42 AM EDT

@BlackPhysicists I entered this in Amazon search and it is not coming up. Brand new? #iteachphysics
MrLeNadj Apr 16 @ 10:43 AM EDT

@nuclear94 @BlackPhysicists Same here for my Forensic Science class! #iteachphysics
BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:43 AM EDT

In gen physics 1, I like to bring in content from Zoological Physics, i..e, biomechanics of animals #iteachphysics
iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:43 AM EDT

In gen physics 1, I like to bring in content from Zoological Physics, i..e, biomechanics of animals #iteachphysics
nuclear94 Apr 16 @ 10:43 AM EDT

I try to explain that to students often. #iteachphysics @achmorrison @BlackPhysicists
nuclear94 Apr 16 @ 10:44 AM EDT

I'm afraid that few other faculty talk enough to students abut process of science. #iteachphysics @achmorrison @BlackPhysicists
iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:45 AM EDT

In gen physics 2, I give at least a passing reference to non-Ohmic devices, which is and ode to engineering content I guess #iteachphysics
BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:45 AM EDT

In gen physics 2, I give at least a passing reference to non-Ohmic devices, which is and ode to engineering content I guess #iteachphysics
j_mcilmoil Apr 16 @ 10:46 AM EDT

@achmorrison @nuclear94 @BlackPhysicists I think a big step is a culture where being wrong does not penalize you. #iteachphysics
nuclear94 Apr 16 @ 10:46 AM EDT

@MrLeNadj @achmorrison @BlackPhysicists I've tried to pattern a lot of my teaching based on the best course I took in college #iteachphysics
MrLeNadj Apr 16 @ 10:46 AM EDT

@BlackPhysicists #iteachphysics Making connections, providing context,& insisting on having Ss reflect at all times do make #physicsed cool.
BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:46 AM EDT

But this begs the question, would engineers want us to include more content or change teaching methods if they were in charge #iteachphysics
iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:46 AM EDT

But this begs the question, would engineers want us to include more content or change teaching methods if they were in charge #iteachphysics
nuclear94 Apr 16 @ 10:47 AM EDT

We had a second semester advanced lab course where you picked a topic out of a hat @MrLeNadj @achmorrison @BlackPhysicists #iteachphysics
nuclear94 Apr 16 @ 10:48 AM EDT

Then you had the entire quarter to do the projects. @MrLeNadj @achmorrison @BlackPhysicists #iteachphysics
MrLeNadj Apr 16 @ 10:48 AM EDT

@nuclear94 @achmorrison @BlackPhysicists #iteachphysics I wish I were as fortunate as you. In my case, workshops/conferences did the trick!
BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:48 AM EDT

For example, what topics are different in the jr level E&M crse in physics compared to E&M crse in electrical engineering? #iteachphysics
iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:48 AM EDT

For example, what topics are different in the jr level E&M crse in physics compared to E&M crse in electrical engineering? #iteachphysics
nuclear94 Apr 16 @ 10:48 AM EDT

I pulled measure the Maxwell-Boltzmann velocity distribution of a gas. #iteachphysics. @MrLeNadj @achmorrison @BlackPhysicists
nuclear94 Apr 16 @ 10:49 AM EDT

Learned so much about science doing that #iteachphysics @MrLeNadj @achmorrison @BlackPhysicists
BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:49 AM EDT

And how much "design" is in the basic engineering science courses #iteachphysics
iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:49 AM EDT

And how much "design" is in the basic engineering science courses #iteachphysics
BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:50 AM EDT

@nuclear94 @MrLeNadj @achmorrison Yeah we did that at @UmichPhysics #iteachphysics
nuclear94 Apr 16 @ 10:50 AM EDT

It was a third year, third quarter class. #iteachphysics @achmorrison @MrLeNadj @BlackPhysicists
nuclear94 Apr 16 @ 10:51 AM EDT

So in every course where I have a final project, I tend to give a random project. #iteachphysics @achmorrison @MrLeNadj @BlackPhysicists
MrLeNadj Apr 16 @ 10:52 AM EDT

@BlackPhysicists #iteachphysics Good question! I would hope some #engineering faculty would provide some answers.
nuclear94 Apr 16 @ 10:54 AM EDT

In my current course, I have students comparing metropolis algorithm with #iteachphysics @achmorrison @MrLeNadj @BlackPhysicists
nuclear94 Apr 16 @ 10:55 AM EDT

With the Wang-Landau algorithm for calculations. #iteachphysics @achmorrison @MrLeNadj @BlackPhysicists https://t.co/5xWHzMP83Z
MrLeNadj Apr 16 @ 10:56 AM EDT

Speaking of labs, #iteachphysics colleagues lab reports are calling me to grade them. :-) So, enjoy the rest of your weekend & TY everyone!
BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:58 AM EDT

Another engr Ed tactic is to 'reverse engineer' things. Can we do same & teach 'physics of things' https://t.co/AVQtIjytfh #iteachphysics
iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 16 @ 10:58 AM EDT

Another engr Ed tactic is to 'reverse engineer' things. Can we do same & teach 'physics of things' https://t.co/gPxszIfkKm #iteachphysics
nuclear94 Apr 16 @ 10:58 AM EDT

@achmorrison @MrLeNadj @BlackPhysicists sad part is I can freely discuss this because student won't look #iteachphysics
nuclear94 Apr 16 @ 10:58 AM EDT

@achmorrison @MrLeNadj @BlackPhysicists #sad #iteachphysics
nuclear94 Apr 16 @ 10:59 AM EDT

Worst part is I give these projects so students will learn how to access information. @achmorrison @MrLeNadj @BlackPhysicists #iteachphysics