#4thchat Archive

#4thchat is a hashtag for teachers or anyone to talk about educational issues relating to 4th grade. Using #4thchat will create a network of 4th grade teachers or teachers working with 9-10 year olds across the world. We welcome anyone who 1. teaches 4th grade 2 .Works with 4th grade students and or 4th grade teachers 3. Likes 4th grade teachers (Groupies are encouraged).

Monday December 17, 2018
8:00 PM EST

  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:00 PM EST
    Hello, #4thchat friends! It was an eventful Monday and I'm looking forward to chatting about Classroom Behavior Mistakes.
  • rader5thgrade Dec 17 @ 8:01 PM EST
    Malinda here from NC, I am SO happy to have it to another #4thchat It's what got me through today!!
  • KRScienceLady Dec 17 @ 8:02 PM EST
    I’m not currently in a classroom but I have lots of experience in grade 4 and hoping to make some meaningful contributions #4thchat
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:02 PM EST
    Hi #4thchat! It's Nancy from Mass joining in! Hope you are all having a fabulous start to your week! :)
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:02 PM EST
    Hello, Malinda! So happy you are here! Was your Monday smooth? #4thchat
    In reply to @rader5thgrade
  • MrsHugginsClass Dec 17 @ 8:02 PM EST
    Hey all! Destiny Huggins from Houston! #4thchat
  • MarkNechanicky Dec 17 @ 8:03 PM EST
    #4thchat Mark checking in from Minnesota. Great topic, @ncarroll24 @plnaugle @JennRegruth
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Hi, Kathy! You ALWAYS contribute great things. Thanks for being here! #4thchat
    In reply to @KRScienceLady
  • JasonSalhaney Dec 17 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Jason from lovely Michigan. Glad to be here. #4thchat
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Ohhh - you are sweet to say! Glad to know that we can be supportive! #4thchat
    In reply to @rader5thgrade
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Hi Kathy! Sorry to have missed you the other day - hope it went well. You can ABSOLUTELY make some meaningful contributions - I have no doubt! #4thchat
    In reply to @KRScienceLady
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Hey, Jason! How's the weather up in Michigan? Happy you are here for #4thchat
    In reply to @JasonSalhaney
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Hey Mark! I'm sure you'll have many ideas for this chat. Can tie right into Responsive Classroom. #4thchat
    In reply to @MarkNechanicky, @plnaugle, @JennRegruth
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Hey Destiny! How are you doing tonight! Hope you had a great Monday! #4thchat
    In reply to @MrsHugginsClass
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:05 PM EST
    Hi Jason! So glad you're here tonight!! :) #4thchat
    In reply to @JasonSalhaney
  • JasonSalhaney Dec 17 @ 8:05 PM EST
    So far its been almost like spring 30-40 degrees. lol. can't complain. #4thchat
    In reply to @JennRegruth
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:06 PM EST
    Sledding?! How fabulous! It's mid 40s here, so no snow for us. Also, we don't have any hills nearby! I am consciously putting in some holiday crafts so kids can be kids! #4thchat
    In reply to @rader5thgrade
  • KRScienceLady Dec 17 @ 8:06 PM EST
    I love #respnsiveclassroom #4thchat
    • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:04 PM EST
      Hey Mark! I'm sure you'll have many ideas for this chat. Can tie right into Responsive Classroom. #4thchat
      In reply to @MarkNechanicky, @plnaugle, @JennRegruth
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:06 PM EST
    Hi, @ncarroll24! How are you this evening? #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:07 PM EST
    Hi, Mark! How was your Monday? #4thchat
    In reply to @MarkNechanicky, @ncarroll24, @plnaugle
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:08 PM EST
    😊 making my day right now!!! I love this! Can’t tell you how many times I’ve said this about you and other #4thchat friends!!
    In reply to @rader5thgrade
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:08 PM EST
    Welcome, Destiny! Happy to have you! #4thchat
    In reply to @MrsHugginsClass
  • MarkNechanicky Dec 17 @ 8:08 PM EST
    #4thchat, idea is to share responsive classroom /#sel in january with #4thchat with ideas and updates from a recent #5thchat i guest hosted.
    In reply to @KRScienceLady
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:08 PM EST
    Q1: Mistake: Defining behavior by how it “Looks”. Why might this NOT help us understand student behavior? What are some other ways to define behavior? #4thchat
  • MarkNechanicky Dec 17 @ 8:09 PM EST
    Great Monday, how did your week start? #4thchat
    In reply to @JennRegruth, @ncarroll24, @plnaugle
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:10 PM EST
    Tonight's chat is based on this document: Please add your own ideas to the answers: https://t.co/uEU9RAL88C #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:10 PM EST
    Happy to watch the kids smile when we took 20 minutes to make tree decorations! #4thchat
    In reply to @MarkNechanicky, @ncarroll24
  • MarkNechanicky Dec 17 @ 8:10 PM EST
    A1 #4thchat Four goals of misbehavior, it is not what it looks like but the motivation behind it. https://t.co/GiKXebf3CQ
  • JasonSalhaney Dec 17 @ 8:10 PM EST
    A1: There is always an underlining reason for behavior. If you judge it by its cover, you probably are missing what really is going on. You have to show patience and think before we react. #4thchat
  • ElisaW5 Dec 17 @ 8:11 PM EST
    A1 Another way to define behavior might be to describe how it may affect others. #4thchat
  • rader5thgrade Dec 17 @ 8:11 PM EST
    A1: There are SO many previous students who I owe apologies to about this. I thought they "weren't paying attention or behaving" because it didn't LOOK LIKE IT! #4thchat
  • rader5thgrade Dec 17 @ 8:12 PM EST
    A1: But as I've become a parent myself, I can SEE that there is more to it and I need to step back and ask questions about what is REALLY going on. #4thchat
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:12 PM EST
    A1: Behaviors can often go way deeper than how it looks...there's a "reason" why behavior exists. Need to go beyond the 'actual behavior' to see what might be the trigger...is this something that happens a lot or just a one time deal? #4thchat
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:13 PM EST
    Worked with some Kinders and got them coding....so fun! :) #4thchat
    In reply to @MarkNechanicky, @JennRegruth, @plnaugle
  • ElisaW5 Dec 17 @ 8:13 PM EST
    Thanks for sharing this doc. I glanced at it quickly and it looks great so far. #4thchat
  • MarkNechanicky Dec 17 @ 8:13 PM EST
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:13 PM EST
    A1: I have worked for years with all kinds of kiddos- and single every one was different. I try to create a climate where we help each other and kids get when they need. But sometimes frustration takes over my patience! #4thchat
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:13 PM EST
    Love how this breaks down the behaviors and gives some specific corrections for that type of behavior. #4thchat
    In reply to @MarkNechanicky
  • KRScienceLady Dec 17 @ 8:14 PM EST
    A1 What we see as the behavior may be very different message than what the student is trying to tell us. The behavior needs to be our clue to dig in #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:14 PM EST
    Hi, Elisa! #4thchat
    In reply to @ElisaW5
  • MarkNechanicky Dec 17 @ 8:14 PM EST
    A1 #4thchat, often hard to know the connection between what behavior looks like and the underlying reasons.
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:14 PM EST
    Thanks Elisa...While I don't have my own classroom - I still see a lot of different behaviors in the classroom. Always helpful to have some information on hand. #4thchat
    In reply to @ElisaW5
  • ElisaW5 Dec 17 @ 8:14 PM EST
    Yep! I make this mistake, too even as I struggle not to. Sometimes the frustration is so high that I react in ways I later regret. When I realize this, I apologize right away. #4thchat
    • rader5thgrade Dec 17 @ 8:11 PM EST
      A1: There are SO many previous students who I owe apologies to about this. I thought they "weren't paying attention or behaving" because it didn't LOOK LIKE IT! #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:15 PM EST
    Q2: Mistake: We often ask our students, “Why did you do that?” How does this sometime interfere with finding the real problem? What should we do instead? #4thchat
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:15 PM EST
    Exactly - sometimes, though it is easy to react first....I've done this with my OWN children only to find out there was something that was the trigger that I hadn't realized. #4thchat Got to dig deeper.
    In reply to @JasonSalhaney
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:16 PM EST
    I think this goes along with some SEL topics - I think sometimes kids don't see how their actions affect others. #4thchat
    In reply to @ElisaW5
  • ElisaW5 Dec 17 @ 8:16 PM EST
    Yes, but I’ve made it a rule for myself to never ask why. Most of the time the kids can’t articulate why they did something, but they might be able to describe how they feel, which could be a way “in” to provide support. #4thchat
    • rader5thgrade Dec 17 @ 8:12 PM EST
      A1: But as I've become a parent myself, I can SEE that there is more to it and I need to step back and ask questions about what is REALLY going on. #4thchat
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:17 PM EST
    I hear ya....We do our best & learn every year. When I think about my first year teaching...yeesh - it's a wonder those kiddos made it to 5th grade...lol #4thchat
    In reply to @rader5thgrade
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:17 PM EST
    Absolutely - I always tell my kids they made me be a better teacher. #4thchat
    In reply to @rader5thgrade
  • mrsreedsclass14 Dec 17 @ 8:17 PM EST
    It doesn’t help us define student behavior because it looks different to us. You are looking at it from the T’s perspective but not the S’s and the different cultures they come with ie age, youth, background. Something that “looks” like a bad behavior to us isn’t to them #4thchat
    • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:08 PM EST
      Q1: Mistake: Defining behavior by how it “Looks”. Why might this NOT help us understand student behavior? What are some other ways to define behavior? #4thchat
  • cybraryman1 Dec 17 @ 8:18 PM EST
    Our helpful pages for this #4thchat Classroom & Behavior Management page https://t.co/AgaiKJWxaC Counseling page https://t.co/FO8flThjlP Empathy page https://t.co/pQbVesrEVa #YouMatter https://t.co/n12zMEMnOT
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:18 PM EST
    Ohh - I like this. #4thchat
    In reply to @MarkNechanicky
  • mrsreedsclass14 Dec 17 @ 8:18 PM EST
    Hi jumping in late #4thchat
  • ElisaW5 Dec 17 @ 8:18 PM EST
    Agreed! I will often give an example that they can see from my perspective by making myself the one acting out in some way. Sometimes that helps. #4thchat
    • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:16 PM EST
      I think this goes along with some SEL topics - I think sometimes kids don't see how their actions affect others. #4thchat
      In reply to @ElisaW5
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:19 PM EST
    A2: Experience really helps- starting with a question like "What's going on?" rather than "What or why did you do that?" gives the student some space and a chance to talk. #4thchat
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:19 PM EST
    Especially if things happen on a daily basis - frustration can get the best of us. #4thchat
    In reply to @JennRegruth
  • mrsreedsclass14 Dec 17 @ 8:19 PM EST
    A2: sometimes they can’t explain why they did something it really was just a response to something and they don’t see it as an issue #4thchat
    • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:15 PM EST
      Q2: Mistake: We often ask our students, “Why did you do that?” How does this sometime interfere with finding the real problem? What should we do instead? #4thchat
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:19 PM EST
    Hi Cassie - so glad you made it! Hope you're feeling better tonight! #4thchat
    In reply to @mrsreedsclass14
  • MarkNechanicky Dec 17 @ 8:20 PM EST
    A2 #4thchat, sometimes mental health issues are barriers to Ss understanding their own behavior/sef regulation. https://t.co/vTnLQHP6Sj
  • ElisaW5 Dec 17 @ 8:20 PM EST
    I know exactly what you mean! #4thchat
    • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:13 PM EST
      A1: I have worked for years with all kinds of kiddos- and single every one was different. I try to create a climate where we help each other and kids get when they need. But sometimes frustration takes over my patience! #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:20 PM EST
    Right! Can even be left over feelings from something that happened at home. #4thchat
    In reply to @mrsreedsclass14
  • MrsHugginsClass Dec 17 @ 8:20 PM EST
    A2 you have to ask the child about the behavior. Everyone reacts to emotion stress in different ways. Not all outburst are for the same reason. #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:20 PM EST
    Q3: Mistake: When an approach isn’t working, we try harder. What are some alternatives to ‘trying harder?’ #4thchat
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:22 PM EST
    Perspective - Yes!!! It totally depends on who is 'seeing', 'reporting' or involved in the behavior event. Right! #4thchat
    In reply to @mrsreedsclass14
  • rader5thgrade Dec 17 @ 8:22 PM EST
    A3: Reteach, model, reteach, model, repeat. Lately I have been making anchor charts for specific behaviors as "I Do" vs "I Do Not" This has served as a great reminder #4thchat
  • ElisaW5 Dec 17 @ 8:22 PM EST
    A2 A lot of times they just don’t know! Spending too much time trying to get them to say why they did something can get away from what’s at the tip of the iceberg that’s causing the behavior. #4thchat
  • rader5thgrade Dec 17 @ 8:22 PM EST
    Forgot the #4thchat
    • rader5thgrade Dec 17 @ 8:20 PM EST
      A2: I find myself saying to Ss, "I made the choice to __ because __. This could be a problem to others because __." If they can't explain why it's a problem, I will explain how it may have been an issue for myself/others or have another S say why it was an issue for them.
  • MarkNechanicky Dec 17 @ 8:22 PM EST
    A3 #4thchat, ask the S what part of the day they enjoy and observe. It might be another content area and another teacher.
    In reply to @JennRegruth
  • MarkNechanicky Dec 17 @ 8:23 PM EST
    Great answer. #4thchat
    In reply to @rader5thgrade
  • rader5thgrade Dec 17 @ 8:23 PM EST
    A2: And also waiting until the situation has de-escalated can help as well. #4thchat
    • rader5thgrade Dec 17 @ 8:22 PM EST
      Forgot the #4thchat
      • rader5thgrade Dec 17 @ 8:20 PM EST
        A2: I find myself saying to Ss, "I made the choice to __ because __. This could be a problem to others because __." If they can't explain why it's a problem, I will explain how it may have been an issue for myself/others or have another S say why it was an issue for them.
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:23 PM EST
    Exactly - could be that something external (not school related) is the main focus and it's coming out in various ways at school. Hard for students to verbalize sometimes. #4thchat Sometimes they just don't really know!
    In reply to @MrsHugginsClass
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:23 PM EST
    Absolutely! #4thchat
    In reply to @MarkNechanicky
  • MrsRebandt Dec 17 @ 8:24 PM EST
    Hi #4thChat friends! I’m trying to catch up! Busy busy busy! Hope you all are doing well!
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:24 PM EST
    Q4: Mistake: Treating mistakes as “Won’t Do’s instead of Can’t Do’s?” How can we identify the skills that might be lacking which often lead to misbehavior? #4thchat
  • ElisaW5 Dec 17 @ 8:24 PM EST
    I’ll often go colloquial and describe what I see and then ask, “what’s up with that?” #4thchat
    • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:19 PM EST
      A2: Experience really helps- starting with a question like "What's going on?" rather than "What or why did you do that?" gives the student some space and a chance to talk. #4thchat
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:24 PM EST
    I like that - What seems cut and dried to us often needs to be taught/reminded/modeled. Anchor charts are a great tool..especially if brainstormed as a group. #4thchat
    In reply to @rader5thgrade
  • MarkNechanicky Dec 17 @ 8:25 PM EST
    #4thchat great reminder to reteach and remodel. Sometimes our instincts are to remodel math strategies but not behaviors. Ss are often visual learners for expectations just as in content areas.
    In reply to @rader5thgrade
  • ElisaW5 Dec 17 @ 8:25 PM EST
    That was my day today. Have some apologizing to do tomorrow. #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:26 PM EST
    A4: Can’t Do our Won’t Do:https://t.co/r9t6kr5C2A #4thchat
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:26 PM EST
    We read this book during the summer as a school. Love a lot of what he has to say about behavior. "Kids would do well if they could " not if they want to! Lost at School Book: https://t.co/TdqiHAUVEa #4thchat
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:27 PM EST
    haha - just cracked up on that one. I can hear the class now.... #4thchat
    In reply to @rader5thgrade
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:27 PM EST
    https://t.co/MilYFHqJqT.This. #brilliant #4thchat
    In reply to @rader5thgrade, @ncarroll24
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:28 PM EST
    Hey Sammy - So good to see you here. Busy time of year for sure!!! Thanks for making the time to join. #4thchat
    In reply to @MrsRebandt
  • ElisaW5 Dec 17 @ 8:28 PM EST
    A3 When something isn’t working, it’s best to drop that technique, line of questioning etc. And get some help or other ideas. Sometimes it’s best to take some time to cool off so you can think of a different approach. #4thchat
  • rader5thgrade Dec 17 @ 8:28 PM EST
    A4: Let's see/celebrate what WE CAN DO and let's work together so we can CONTINUE TO DO & GROW TO DO MORE! #4thchat
  • MrsRebandt Dec 17 @ 8:28 PM EST
    Thanks for sharing this Mark! #4thChat
    In reply to @MarkNechanicky
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:29 PM EST
    A4: In the book, Lost at School, it's suggested that you work on 1 lagging skill at a time. Over time, behavior should improve as the student learns new skills. Keep wanting to try this to put it into practice - tough to do without your own class. #4thchat
  • ElisaW5 Dec 17 @ 8:30 PM EST
    Great idea! When are you feeling engaged and a part of the class? When are you feeling exactly the opposite? And, why? Might be an eye opener for everyone. #4thchat
    • MarkNechanicky Dec 17 @ 8:22 PM EST
      A3 #4thchat, ask the S what part of the day they enjoy and observe. It might be another content area and another teacher.
      In reply to @JennRegruth
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:30 PM EST
    That's what's suggested in the book.... "I noticed....What's up with that??" #4thchat
    In reply to @ElisaW5
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:30 PM EST
    I must borrow this! Please? #4thchat
  • rader5thgrade Dec 17 @ 8:30 PM EST
    A4: Model, model, model and PRAISE THE POSITIVE #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:31 PM EST
    Q5: Mistake: Lack of Planning for transition time. This seems like it should be an easy fix, but it doesn’t always happen. What are some of your favorite strategies to use during Transition Time? #4thchat
  • MarkNechanicky Dec 17 @ 8:32 PM EST
    #4thchat also have learned that not all behaviors have to be reacted to, sometimes the class is ok and it is best to talk out or make a plan. Better responses when I try to be proactive for the next round.
    In reply to @ElisaW5
  • ElisaW5 Dec 17 @ 8:32 PM EST
    A4 I think that’s on a case by case basis. Sometimes it’s helping kids talk about what happened. Sometimes it’s helping them express their feelings. Sometimes it’s learning strategies to curb impulsivity or to cool off. #4thchat
  • rader5thgrade Dec 17 @ 8:33 PM EST
    A5: Playing music in the background as a noise-level check, beat the music, wireless doorbell, talk about certain topic, use the time to just chat to refocus after x minutes....just to name a few #4thchat
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:33 PM EST
    I agree - sometimes just giving a little time to "think" about a response/reaction makes all the difference. I have to 'mull' things over all the time. #4thchat
    In reply to @ElisaW5
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:33 PM EST
    A5: Edutopia: Mastering Transition Time. https://t.co/r23nIcEQuZ #4thchat
  • MrsRebandt Dec 17 @ 8:34 PM EST
    A5: transitions are a huge struggle for my kiddos this year! If they have any time standing around waiting, they struggle! I have found that we have to have a plan for every moment- what can I do? Board and constantly having my kiddos get up out of their seats! #4thchat
  • MarkNechanicky Dec 17 @ 8:34 PM EST
    A5 #4thchat play music during transitions, give Ss something to discuss during transition, add movement to trans, make sure Ss can start next task when they--no need for whole group to be ready.
    In reply to @JennRegruth
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:34 PM EST
    Proactivity is the key...if you can anticipate then there may be a way to avoid a trigger or potential problem. #4thchat
    In reply to @MarkNechanicky, @ElisaW5
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:34 PM EST
    A5: Teaching Channel: Choreograph Your Classroom: https://t.co/uxdvupqUag #4thchat
  • ElisaW5 Dec 17 @ 8:34 PM EST
    I’ve had that book for a long time. Maybe it’s time to pull it off the bookshelf and read it! #4thchat
  • KRScienceLady Dec 17 @ 8:35 PM EST
    It helps when you include the hashtag #4thchat
    • KRScienceLady Dec 17 @ 8:28 PM EST
      We need to explicitly model appropriate ways to deal with conflict, anger etc#4thchat then provide opportunity for practice role play
  • MrsRebandt Dec 17 @ 8:35 PM EST
    A5: I try to explain the directions with multiple steps, reminders and visuals too! Helps eliminate the transition questions. #4thChat
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:36 PM EST
    I really liked it - was interested to see how it would work...but again, not in the classroom, so tough to do. Offered to help some others, but they're not ready yet. Be interested to see what you think. #4thchat
    In reply to @ElisaW5
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:36 PM EST
    I always vary my voice too-catches the kids off guard and they listen! #4thchat
    In reply to @MrsRebandt
  • MarkNechanicky Dec 17 @ 8:36 PM EST
    A5 #4thchat If needed I remodel transitions the whole year, time spent tweaking/retooling saves on future transitions. Keeps expectations high.
  • ElisaW5 Dec 17 @ 8:37 PM EST
    A5 I count or clap. I also have a rain stick. But I’m looking forward to other ideas for this grade level. #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:37 PM EST
    Q6: Mistake: Inconsistent Expectations or Consequences. In what ways to do we convey clear expectations for our students? #4thchat
  • MarkNechanicky Dec 17 @ 8:38 PM EST
    A5 #4thchat My transitions are better when I have thought about materials ahead of time. Sometimes awesome transition to the front carpet but I forgot Ss need small whiteboard shortly after. Better when I think ahead.
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:38 PM EST
    A6: Kickboard Blog: How to Set Consistent Expectations... https://t.co/HhmADy3plO #4thchat
  • rader5thgrade Dec 17 @ 8:38 PM EST
    A6: Model, model, model! Keep expectations high! I find myself referring to this quote hanging in our room quite often, "You are free to make the choice, but you aren't free from the consequence." #4thchat
  • MarkNechanicky Dec 17 @ 8:38 PM EST
    #4thchat yes I count often, and rarely use the same starting number, and only count sporadically aloud.
    In reply to @ElisaW5
  • ElisaW5 Dec 17 @ 8:39 PM EST
    Yes. I try to have kids move into the next part of the day when they’re ready. I should do this more often. #4thchat
    • MarkNechanicky Dec 17 @ 8:34 PM EST
      A5 #4thchat play music during transitions, give Ss something to discuss during transition, add movement to trans, make sure Ss can start next task when they--no need for whole group to be ready.
      In reply to @JennRegruth
  • MrsRebandt Dec 17 @ 8:39 PM EST
    #4thChat a5: I just ordered a doorbell and I carry the ringer around with me and occasionally ring it- my students stop almost instantly!! It works great!
    In reply to @ElisaW5
  • MarkNechanicky Dec 17 @ 8:39 PM EST
    A6 #4thchat modeling.
    In reply to @JennRegruth
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:39 PM EST
    So wise! #4thchat
    In reply to @rader5thgrade
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:40 PM EST
    This is so important - if students are waiting around for others to begin it can lead to off task behavior. If they can start when they are ready, they are more likely to be on task. #4thchat
    In reply to @MarkNechanicky, @JennRegruth
  • ElisaW5 Dec 17 @ 8:40 PM EST
    I usually start at 1, but stop at irregular numbers like 7 or 11 or things like that. #4thchat
    • MarkNechanicky Dec 17 @ 8:38 PM EST
      #4thchat yes I count often, and rarely use the same starting number, and only count sporadically aloud.
      In reply to @ElisaW5
  • rader5thgrade Dec 17 @ 8:40 PM EST
    A6: But also, if you "fess up", tell the truth, and apologize that can be the simplest "consequence" of all! #4thchat
  • MrsRebandt Dec 17 @ 8:41 PM EST
    A6: our school just started using CHAMPS for expectations. Constant reminders throughout the building and the acronyms and language is the same which helps with consistency! #4thchat
  • MarkNechanicky Dec 17 @ 8:42 PM EST
    #4thchat fun! I count down starting at irregular numbers have not tried counting up
    In reply to @ElisaW5
  • MrsRebandt Dec 17 @ 8:43 PM EST
    Oh that’s genius! I bet mine would fit into one! #4thChat
    In reply to @rader5thgrade, @ElisaW5
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:43 PM EST
    A5: I would use the Whole Brain Teaching ideas for transitions (even at gr4 level.) Here are some Calls & Response ideas from NEA: https://t.co/9sUzWl6BtY #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:44 PM EST
    Q7: Mistake: Viewing Ourselves as Only Classroom Manager. How can we help our students take ownership? Who else should be involved (if anyone)? #4thchat
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:44 PM EST
    Being prepared is key...I realized I couldn't be upset with the kids if I was the one causing the interruption in the action. (Happened more than I liked). #4thchat
    In reply to @MarkNechanicky
  • ElisaW5 Dec 17 @ 8:44 PM EST
    I explain once. Have the kids talk w/a partner about what they’re supposed to do. Then, I ask if there are any questions? Is this working better? Sometimes. #4thchat
    • MrsRebandt Dec 17 @ 8:35 PM EST
      A5: I try to explain the directions with multiple steps, reminders and visuals too! Helps eliminate the transition questions. #4thChat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:45 PM EST
    A7: Education World: Principals HelpTeachers... https://t.co/DMePUAC5vO #4thchat
  • MrsRebandt Dec 17 @ 8:45 PM EST
    I have done this too! Sometimes it is very helpful! #4thChat
    In reply to @ElisaW5
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:45 PM EST
    I just LOVE that quote....because it is SO true! #4thchat Making those expectations CLEAR is key. Setting expectations at the Beginning of the year & reviewing often. Having students be part of creating expectations works too!
    In reply to @rader5thgrade
  • rader5thgrade Dec 17 @ 8:45 PM EST
    A7: EVERYONE should be involved. Ultimately students need to learn to self-regulate, which of course takes time and MODELING! I have several students who "think" they are helping by "telling others what to do" which then causes a whole new situation. #4thchat
  • ElisaW5 Dec 17 @ 8:46 PM EST
    A6 Ouch! Guilty as charged. I sometimes get roped in to the many exceptions kids come up with rather than sticking, with/in reason, to my plan. I need to better anticipate their ?s about exceptions. Gets me every time! #4thchat
  • rader5thgrade Dec 17 @ 8:46 PM EST
    A7: So we have been working on the TONE in which their suggestion is offered #4thchat
    • rader5thgrade Dec 17 @ 8:45 PM EST
      A7: EVERYONE should be involved. Ultimately students need to learn to self-regulate, which of course takes time and MODELING! I have several students who "think" they are helping by "telling others what to do" which then causes a whole new situation. #4thchat
  • ElisaW5 Dec 17 @ 8:47 PM EST
    Stealing that! #4thchat
    • rader5thgrade Dec 17 @ 8:38 PM EST
      A6: Model, model, model! Keep expectations high! I find myself referring to this quote hanging in our room quite often, "You are free to make the choice, but you aren't free from the consequence." #4thchat
  • MarkNechanicky Dec 17 @ 8:47 PM EST
    #4thchat Also I am trying to remember the source, envoy? but I try to be consistent on my location, e.g. teach from a S table or front of room, give directions standing below the smartboard projector, address behavior off to the side. Same spot each time. Clue for my intention.
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:48 PM EST
    Consistency is Key - I think it's helpful to have school expectations as well. We have them posted for different areas of the school: bathroom, cafeteria, recess, etc. #4thchat
    In reply to @MrsRebandt
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:48 PM EST
    My Tweetdeck might not be working correctly...! #4thchat
  • MarkNechanicky Dec 17 @ 8:49 PM EST
    Adding to morning meeting discussion tomorrow. #4thchat havent thought of describing it to kids that way. #4thchat
    In reply to @rader5thgrade
  • ElisaW5 Dec 17 @ 8:50 PM EST
    A7 The kids should monitor each other, not to tattle on each other but to get the work done. #4thchat
  • MarkNechanicky Dec 17 @ 8:50 PM EST
    #4thchat would like more training on noverbal aspects of teaching like this https://t.co/YV8Xnp1Gle
  • MarkNechanicky Dec 17 @ 8:52 PM EST
    #4thchat part of classroom management is how and what the T says https://t.co/hcbxT4hx7E
  • MrsHugginsClass Dec 17 @ 8:52 PM EST
    A2 I think sometimes they will give us answer we want to hear or say idk. #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:52 PM EST
    This is great! We discuss nonverbals at the beginning of the year. Revisit and practice them. Nonverbal reminders work just as well as words and they don't create a distraction! #4thchat
    In reply to @MarkNechanicky
  • MarkNechanicky Dec 17 @ 8:54 PM EST
    Agree sometimes if the issue is between Ss rephrasing what they say back to them helps them decide that the answer they first gave was not connected or helpful. #4thchat
    In reply to @MrsHugginsClass
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:54 PM EST
    A7: I think Ss can help set expectations (esp at beginning of year). Sometimes, fair is not always equal and we have to adjust our expectations. Sometimes, parents need to be involved, admins, guidance counselors. Depends on need. #4thchat
  • MarkNechanicky Dec 17 @ 8:54 PM EST
    My issue is to keep nonverbals simple and avoid clutter. #4thchat
    In reply to @JennRegruth
  • ElisaW5 Dec 17 @ 8:54 PM EST
    When they say: I don’t know, I respond with - “Whatbwiuld you say if you did know?” I stole this from Debbie Miller a long time ago. #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:55 PM EST
    Q9: Mistake: Taking student behavior personally. Who do we approach to ask for help if needed instead of taking things personally? #4thchat
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:55 PM EST
    I read "The Power of Our Words" reminds us it's What you Say AND How you say it! Powerful indeed: https://t.co/DntS4zkloC #4thchat
    In reply to @MarkNechanicky
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:56 PM EST
    I use them myself all the time! I even asked the speech teacher to just bring a card with names of sts she needs. She cracks open the door, holds the card, and away they go! My sts this year are so easily distracted, I need all the help I can get! #4thchat
    In reply to @MarkNechanicky
  • rader5thgrade Dec 17 @ 8:56 PM EST
    A9: I have to say @Jhafner413 @PCockrellFRES @SvySchCounselor @vwschcounselor are great supports and will help in ANY way they can!!! #4thchat #SuperFRES
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:56 PM EST
    Sometimes they don't have the words to express what they're feeling too. But I agree. I think they think if they say, IDK we let it go.... #4thchat
    In reply to @MrsHugginsClass
  • ElisaW5 Dec 17 @ 8:56 PM EST
    A9 Great question! It is at these times when I feel most vulnerable so I go to a very trusted colleague or my spouse for advice. #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:57 PM EST
    Virtual applause to the amazing @ncarroll24 for a great topic and amazing questions. And to this awesome #4thchat tribe, who make me free great every Monday night!
  • MarkNechanicky Dec 17 @ 8:57 PM EST
    #4thchat I like how @responsiveclass connects classroom rules to Ss hopes and dreams. Not about T but S learning.
  • rader5thgrade Dec 17 @ 8:58 PM EST
    A9: I know it's easier said than done right now at home, but I stand behind the fact that I KNOW I have strong classroom management and strong relationships with my students. Tomorrow is a new day! #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:58 PM EST
    Have a great week, everyone! Next Monday is Christmas Eve, so no #4thchat. The next Monday is New Year's Eve, so no chat then either. Enjoy your holidays!
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Dec 17 @ 8:59 PM EST
    Every day I start with a clean slate for the kids, must remember to do the same for myself! #4thchat
    In reply to @rader5thgrade
  • ElisaW5 Dec 17 @ 8:59 PM EST
    My sentiments exactly! Thank you everyone for a wonderful@#4thchat. See you in the New Year!