#edchatie Archive

Monday October 16, 2017
3:30 PM EDT
  • fboss Oct 16 @ 3:30 PM EDT
    Welcome to tonight's special #edchatie discussion. As usual, before we begin, please introduce yourself + add the hashtag into all tweets
  • peter_lydon Oct 16 @ 3:33 PM EDT
    You shouldn’t entertain such nonsense. Just acknowledge all the unpaid work we already do. #edchatie #gaa #sports #clubs #aaarrrggghhhh
    In reply to @RichardbrutonTD
  • AlecMahony Oct 16 @ 3:35 PM EDT
    #mathsweek #edchatie @michealcannon
  • ZoeLGriffiths Oct 16 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    @fboss I'm Zoe at #mathsweek on twitter for #edchatie
  • stemwaterford Oct 16 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    @fboss looking forward to #EdChatie @mathsweek hello from Sheila
  • bcarey498_b Oct 16 @ 3:37 PM EDT
    Bronagh in Belfast #edchatie
    In reply to @fboss
  • CalmastWIT Oct 16 @ 3:37 PM EDT
    Hi, Cordula from Calmast here with #edchatie
  • fboss Oct 16 @ 3:37 PM EDT
    Fred Boss, 2nd level Art teacher, currently with @NCCAie and looking forward to getting more literate about being more numerate on #edchatie
  • mathsweek Oct 16 @ 3:39 PM EDT
    Hello @@fboss and to all from @mathsweek great to have this discussion #edchatie
  • fboss Oct 16 @ 3:41 PM EDT
    In general we're looking at Maths as it is in 1st, 2nd & 3rd level on tonight's #edchatie special for #MathsWeek with @MathsWeek
  • stemwaterford Oct 16 @ 3:42 PM EDT
    @fboss #edchatie problem solving is such an important life skill -maths gives us that skill
  • CalmastWIT Oct 16 @ 3:42 PM EDT
    Looking forward to see some inspiring thoughts on Maths and maths education #EdChatie
  • CalmastWIT Oct 16 @ 3:44 PM EDT
    Looking forward to seeing some inspiring thoughts on maths and maths education @mathsweek @fboss #EdChatie
  • AshDonohoe Oct 16 @ 3:44 PM EDT
    Aishling here PP teacher in Louth! Hi all! #edchatie
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 3:45 PM EDT
    Hi all, Pam Maths and Programming lecturer in LIT #edchatie
  • Boole4George Oct 16 @ 3:45 PM EDT
    George from Cork. 2nd level maths teacher #edchatie
  • fboss Oct 16 @ 3:45 PM EDT
    As an Art teacher, I would say it's Art that does that but here's a marriage of minds from Durer (magic square in top right) ;-) #edchatie
    In reply to @stemwaterford
  • Boole4George Oct 16 @ 3:46 PM EDT
    #edchatie Judging on some of the recent math PMEs in our school I worry if we are getting the same quality of math graduate into teaching ?
  • fboss Oct 16 @ 3:47 PM EDT
    Sorry - image didn't attach - but you can see it here -> https://t.co/tX0Q25us8g #edchatie
    In reply to @stemwaterford
  • Boole4George Oct 16 @ 3:47 PM EDT
    Only if allowed in class. The math teacher can also kill it through drilling in skills #edchatie
    In reply to @fboss, @stemwaterford
  • CalmastWIT Oct 16 @ 3:47 PM EDT
    There's so much out there where art and maths are coming together! Just look at Escher and Durer and so many others #EdChatie
    • fboss Oct 16 @ 3:45 PM EDT
      As an Art teacher, I would say it's Art that does that but here's a marriage of minds from Durer (magic square in top right) ;-) #edchatie
      In reply to @stemwaterford
  • stemwaterford Oct 16 @ 3:48 PM EDT
    @fboss #edchatie but maths is a creative art as well
  • Boole4George Oct 16 @ 3:48 PM EDT
    Hi Pam. What maths do you lecture? How do you find the standard of undergraduate in recent years? #Edchatie
    In reply to @pamelaaobrien
  • fboss Oct 16 @ 3:48 PM EDT
    Not to get away from the topic (too much) but I think there are skills that cross from subject to subject #edchatie
    In reply to @CalmastWIT
  • Boole4George Oct 16 @ 3:50 PM EDT
    #edchatie and it's happening much more often with project maths. A lot of outside understanding needed to interpret questions @ LC
    In reply to @fboss, @CalmastWIT
  • susanleahy Oct 16 @ 3:50 PM EDT
    Brief drop-in! Susan, Spanish teacher. Thrilled to collaborate with @mathsweek and host @fblascoxyz Spanish mathemagician #edchatie
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 3:51 PM EDT
    teach 1st year Maths and 2nd year Stats to Comp Science students. As you would expect I get students across the ability spectrum #edchatie
    In reply to @Boole4George
  • fboss Oct 16 @ 3:51 PM EDT
    It very much is. I love listening to the Podcast https://t.co/JTb9g2WTBm with @SGgrc and his maths explanations #edchatie #mathsweek
    In reply to @stemwaterford, @SGgrc
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 3:51 PM EDT
    also find confidence in Maths is also a huge issue for some students #edchatie
    In reply to @Boole4George
  • susanleahy Oct 16 @ 3:51 PM EDT
    So great to have the link w/ Spanish & maths and thus draw in students from both sides of the maths/language (sometimes)chasm #edchatie
  • stemwaterford Oct 16 @ 3:51 PM EDT
    #edchatie @fboss just doing this maths and art project now
  • fboss Oct 16 @ 3:52 PM EDT
    Would love if you could mention or link to some examples during tonight's 1 hour special #edchatie for #mathsweek @mathsweek
    In reply to @stemwaterford, @mathsweek
  • Boole4George Oct 16 @ 3:52 PM EDT
    I'd love more of a crossover between comp science and maths at 2nd level #edchatie @mathsweek
    In reply to @pamelaaobrien, @mathsweek
  • CalmastWIT Oct 16 @ 3:53 PM EDT
    Great to see it's not only art and maths but also a combination of maths and languages - maths is a universal language #EdChatie
  • susanleahy Oct 16 @ 3:53 PM EDT
    To an absolute non-mathemetician, @fblascoxyz makes working w/numbers seem fun&accessible (not something my own maths teacher did) #edchatie
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 3:53 PM EDT
    #edchatie
    • Boole4George Oct 16 @ 3:52 PM EDT
      That's good to hear. Important 2nd level remains attractive to high achieving graduates. Content knowledge just as important as pedagogy
      In reply to @pamelaaobrien
  • kenwhelan Oct 16 @ 3:53 PM EDT
    Hello all, western music is a series of mathematical progressions and functions so it's inherent in that artform. #EdChatIE
  • fboss Oct 16 @ 3:53 PM EDT
    Liking the Escher look - what's it all based on? #mathematicallyspeaking #mathsweek @mathsweek #edchatie
    In reply to @stemwaterford, @mathsweek
  • gavinobriain Oct 16 @ 3:53 PM EDT
    Do the extra points at LC help the subject? Or are there more students doing HL than should? #EdChatie
  • kenwhelan Oct 16 @ 3:54 PM EDT
    P.S. Sorry to butt in but it's a topic close to my heart. I see distinct correlations between maths and art in many areas. #EdChatIE
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 3:54 PM EDT
    me too but I think that will come now that Comp Science is being introduced at second level #edchatie
    In reply to @Boole4George, @mathsweek
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 3:55 PM EDT
    #edchatie
    • Boole4George Oct 16 @ 3:53 PM EDT
      Does that stem directly from an uncertainty of content knowledge? Some teachers learned and teach tricks and shortcuts?
      In reply to @pamelaaobrien
  • Boole4George Oct 16 @ 3:55 PM EDT
    Couldn't agree more. They enhance the profession and bring a completely different set of skills #EdChatIE
    • MajellaDempsey Oct 9 @ 4:26 PM EDT
      We find mature students bing a richness to our courses and they should be supported in entering the profession #edchatie need diversity
  • AshDonohoe Oct 16 @ 3:56 PM EDT
    I think this is an issue! More students struggling with HL and imo holding back more able students in HL class. #edchatie
    In reply to @gavinobriain
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 3:56 PM EDT
    1/2 I'm not sure what the problem is but think it might stem from the fact that so much of the Maths topics build on each other... #edchatie
    In reply to @Boole4George
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    2/2 ... and a stumble early on with abstract topics can dent people's confidence. Some don't recover from that #edchatie
    In reply to @Boole4George
  • aoibhinn_ni_s Oct 16 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    Former secondary maths teacher, now lecturer in maths ed & undergraduate maths @ucdscience BSc. Theoretical Physics, PhD maths ed #edchatie
  • Boole4George Oct 16 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    That would be fantastic. Would have to be on JC or LC courses to see a real change though? TY not enough? #edchatie
    In reply to @mathsweek
  • Boole4George Oct 16 @ 3:58 PM EDT
    Interesting Pam. I am only exposed to PMEs on placement.Mathematical errors some make at JC level are frightening when observing #edchatie
    In reply to @pamelaaobrien
  • fboss Oct 16 @ 3:59 PM EDT
    Algorithms are also created and used in Design work all of the time. For anything where a problem needs solving. #edchatie
    In reply to @mathsweek
  • Boole4George Oct 16 @ 4:00 PM EDT
    Exactly my fear @aoibhinn_ni_s. The talent is there but it is being snapped up by other sectors. Big prob in UK at moment #edchatie
    In reply to @aoibhinn_ni_s, @ucdscience, @aoibhinn_ni_s
  • fboss Oct 16 @ 4:00 PM EDT
    Welcome to tonight's #edchatie for #mathsweek with @mathsweek - and we're just on the halfway mark now in tonight's discussion
    In reply to @aoibhinn_ni_s, @ucdscience, @mathsweek
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:01 PM EDT
    Don't see it as a requirement to change Project Maths necessarily but Comp Science could compliment it #edchatie
    In reply to @Boole4George, @mathsweek
  • Boole4George Oct 16 @ 4:02 PM EDT
    Our principal is slow to introduce comp science as a short course. Expertise not on staff and introducing results in new CIDs #edchatie
    In reply to @pamelaaobrien, @mathsweek
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:02 PM EDT
    But it's really important in Maths to accept that maths errors can occur. It's how you deal with them that matters #edchatie
    In reply to @Boole4George
  • aoibhinn_ni_s Oct 16 @ 4:03 PM EDT
    Will soon be a problem here. Excellent maths students but very few wanting to become teachers. #edchatie
    In reply to @Boole4George, @ucdscience
  • CalmastWIT Oct 16 @ 4:03 PM EDT
    Looks amazing! Another one for you @fboss @Boole4George #EdChatIE
  • aoibhinn_ni_s Oct 16 @ 4:04 PM EDT
    I'm very proud of my student teachers @ucdscience & @UCDEducation but wish there were more graduating as qualified maths teachers #edchatie
    In reply to @Boole4George, @ucdscience, @ucdscience, @UCDEducation
  • gavinobriain Oct 16 @ 4:04 PM EDT
    Students arguably lose the 25 points from other subjects too. The new grading throws the extra spanner on the works #edchatie
    In reply to @aoibhinn_ni_s
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:04 PM EDT
    One of my students kept a tally of 'mistakes' I made. Nothing major but we had banter about it. I used it as a teaching point #edchatie
    In reply to @Boole4George
  • MarysGalway Oct 16 @ 4:04 PM EDT
    Interesting #edchatie #LeavingCert #JuniorCert
  • stemwaterford Oct 16 @ 4:04 PM EDT
    Often you learnt most from your errors @fboss #edchatie
    • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:02 PM EDT
      But it's really important in Maths to accept that maths errors can occur. It's how you deal with them that matters #edchatie
      In reply to @Boole4George
  • fboss Oct 16 @ 4:04 PM EDT
    So, is this an issue at 2nd level where Maths is seen as one of the BIG 3!? What about at Primary? #edchatie #mathsweek @mathsweek
    In reply to @aoibhinn_ni_s, @Boole4George, @ucdscience, @mathsweek
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:05 PM EDT
    Maths isn't just about getting answer right. Also about understanding the process and having a feel for what answer should be #edchatie
    In reply to @Boole4George
  • aoibhinn_ni_s Oct 16 @ 4:05 PM EDT
    As the STEM education report '16 noted, its a blunt instrument. It's worked increasing numbers at HL but may now need reflection #edchatie
    In reply to @gavinobriain
  • BrendanBoylan Oct 16 @ 4:06 PM EDT
    When you see #edchatie trending you can be sure @PrimEdTeacher isn't too far away!
  • ERC_irl Oct 16 @ 4:06 PM EDT
    DCU Drumcondra campus re-opens tomorrow, Tuesday 17th. ERC expects to be open too. #ophelia #edchatie
  • fboss Oct 16 @ 4:06 PM EDT
    Also interesting is this new course in @NCAD_Dublin to support UI/UX Developers https://t.co/gxJz8yV0Gj #edchatie #mathsweek
  • j_loughlin Oct 16 @ 4:06 PM EDT
    Interesting question. This might help answer it. . https://t.co/oNsn8kgNjJ #edchatie
    In reply to @gavinobriain
  • bcarey498_b Oct 16 @ 4:06 PM EDT
    @c0mplexnumber is good to follow for geometric art ideas and check out her website #EdChatie
    In reply to @fboss, @stemwaterford, @mathsweek, @c0mplexnumber
  • aoibhinn_ni_s Oct 16 @ 4:06 PM EDT
    Mistakes are part of learning, particularly in maths! #edchatie
    In reply to @pamelaaobrien, @Boole4George
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:07 PM EDT
    couldn't agree more Sheila. Often about recognising that you've made a mistake somewhere along the line & tracking back to find it #edchatie
    In reply to @stemwaterford, @fboss
  • j_loughlin Oct 16 @ 4:07 PM EDT
    ....Research by @ParaicTreacy #edchatie
    In reply to @gavinobriain, @ParaicTreacy
  • cirzie Oct 16 @ 4:07 PM EDT
    Ciara, 2nd level Maths teacher in Fingal CC, Swords. Late 2 the party, catching up. Happy Maths Week πŸŽ‰ #EdChatIE
  • GoStressbusterz Oct 16 @ 4:08 PM EDT
    SinΓ©ad, joining late.Seconded teacher in Tipperary - totally not mathematically minded but interested in the discussions #edchatie
  • Boole4George Oct 16 @ 4:08 PM EDT
    Great idea Pam but comes with a certain confidence. It's fair to assume you understand your mistakes? Some don't? #edchatie
    In reply to @pamelaaobrien
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:08 PM EDT
    definitely Aoibhinn. We need to get away from the idea that mistakes = failure. Such important learning for students #edchatie
    In reply to @aoibhinn_ni_s, @Boole4George
  • aoibhinn_ni_s Oct 16 @ 4:08 PM EDT
    Will certainly be an issue for numbers of qualified teachers in maths #edchatie
    In reply to @fboss, @Boole4George, @ucdscience, @mathsweek
  • AlecMahony Oct 16 @ 4:09 PM EDT
    #edchatie the numbers failing leaving cert ordinary maths has continued to increase, why? https://t.co/oof5hq1rz4
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:09 PM EDT
    You really should David. Became a bit of a game after a while. It brought a bit of fun to the class :) #edchatie
    In reply to @dwmal1, @Boole4George
  • Boole4George Oct 16 @ 4:09 PM EDT
    It has David. Ask any senior teacher at 2nd level. Principals struggling to get LCHL teachers when established teachers retire. #edchatie
    In reply to @dwmal1, @aoibhinn_ni_s, @ucdscience
  • WexfordHomeSch Oct 16 @ 4:09 PM EDT
    Jason from Wexford lurking and reading away as I finish up a Webinar on another tab but glad to be here #edchatie
  • aoibhinn_ni_s Oct 16 @ 4:09 PM EDT
    No bonus until over 40%, but incentive to stay is just to hit that pass mark for the potential of that reward. #edchatie
    In reply to @dwmal1, @gavinobriain
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:09 PM EDT
    #edchatie
    • WexfordHomeSch Oct 16 @ 4:08 PM EDT
      This is one of the things I tell my children every day in lesson.
      In reply to @aoibhinn_ni_s, @pamelaaobrien, @Boole4George
  • gavinobriain Oct 16 @ 4:10 PM EDT
    There’s an interesting thought never thought of it that way #edchatie
    In reply to @j_loughlin, @ParaicTreacy
  • Boole4George Oct 16 @ 4:10 PM EDT
    It's a great idea. Encourage them to replicate it when they stand in front of teenagers #edchatie
    In reply to @pamelaaobrien, @dwmal1
  • aoibhinn_ni_s Oct 16 @ 4:10 PM EDT
    But it is such a rewarding job. I went in with a vocation (realised in mid 20s) and still love teaching maths #edchatie
    In reply to @Boole4George, @ucdscience
  • MajellaDempsey Oct 16 @ 4:10 PM EDT
    Majella from @MaynoothUni sorry joining late, electricity just back #edchatie #misswifi
    In reply to @fboss, @mathsweek, @MaynoothUni
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:11 PM EDT
    completely accept that. That comes with time and experience but it's important to change the mindset around mistakes in maths IMHO #edchatie
    In reply to @Boole4George
  • aoibhinn_ni_s Oct 16 @ 4:11 PM EDT
    And there are few roles as important or impactful as teaching #edchatie
    In reply to @Boole4George, @ucdscience
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:11 PM EDT
    #edchatie
    • dwmal1 Oct 16 @ 4:08 PM EDT
      Several of our student teachers in Maynooth have run the CS short course as an experiment. They seem to see it as extra string to their bow.
      In reply to @Boole4George, @pamelaaobrien, @mathsweek
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:11 PM EDT
    #edchatie
    • WexfordHomeSch Oct 16 @ 4:08 PM EDT
      Much like de-bugging a piece of code in Computer Science lessons
      In reply to @pamelaaobrien, @stemwaterford, @fboss
  • Boole4George Oct 16 @ 4:12 PM EDT
    It's the best job in the world but you have to consider it and experience it sometimes to realise that? #edchatie
    In reply to @aoibhinn_ni_s, @ucdscience
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:12 PM EDT
    exactly. Need to recognise that there's a problem somewhere and then work your way backwards to find the issue and correct it #edchatie
    In reply to @WexfordHomeSch, @stemwaterford, @fboss
  • aoibhinn_ni_s Oct 16 @ 4:12 PM EDT
    I think primary school workbooks really discourage mistakes & communicate the message that maths is neat & fast. #edchatie
    In reply to @pamelaaobrien, @Boole4George
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:13 PM EDT
    #edchatie
    • WexfordHomeSch Oct 16 @ 4:10 PM EDT
      Something every Educator should reinforce into the children every day we have to learn what doesn't work to find what does work
  • DonegalPaul9 Oct 16 @ 4:13 PM EDT
    At primary level we need to teach less content and more concept discussion in Maths. #edchatie
  • j_loughlin Oct 16 @ 4:13 PM EDT
    Interesting to see the thoughts of the examiners themselves. #edchatie
    In reply to @gavinobriain, @ParaicTreacy
  • fboss Oct 16 @ 4:13 PM EDT
    Never too late as there's always time to add in extra tweets after the official #edchatie hour is up. Welcome to the #mathsweek chat!
    In reply to @cirzie
  • Boole4George Oct 16 @ 4:13 PM EDT
    100% agree. We all make mistakes. Mistakes are when the real learning happens. #edchatie
    In reply to @pamelaaobrien
  • MajellaDempsey Oct 16 @ 4:13 PM EDT
    Totally agree, I always say it is a great privilege to teach #edchatie
    In reply to @Boole4George, @aoibhinn_ni_s, @ucdscience
  • stemwaterford Oct 16 @ 4:14 PM EDT
    Absolutely and then learn what was the problem and a great sense of achievement when you work it out @fboss #edchatie
    • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:12 PM EDT
      exactly. Need to recognise that there's a problem somewhere and then work your way backwards to find the issue and correct it #edchatie
      In reply to @WexfordHomeSch, @stemwaterford, @fboss
  • aoibhinn_ni_s Oct 16 @ 4:14 PM EDT
    Requirements of teaching council are good to maintain quality of teachers. #edchatie
    In reply to @Boole4George, @dwmal1, @ucdscience
  • DeirdreMcDunphy Oct 16 @ 4:14 PM EDT
    Deirdre Secondary maths teacher. Most important thing is to learn from mistakes and not make the same mistake again #edchatie
  • DonegalPaul9 Oct 16 @ 4:14 PM EDT
    Paul primary teacher #edchatie
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:14 PM EDT
    Also a good idea to get students to look at problems from different angles to test their understanding #edchatie
    In reply to @Boole4George, @dwmal1
  • fboss Oct 16 @ 4:14 PM EDT
    Sharing is caring - glad you can jump in while keeping an eye elsewhere #multitasking for tonight's #edchatie special for #mathsweek
    In reply to @WexfordHomeSch
  • gavinobriain Oct 16 @ 4:14 PM EDT
    And shines a light on the bell curve system at exams and it’s impact on education #edchatie
    In reply to @j_loughlin, @ParaicTreacy
  • Boole4George Oct 16 @ 4:15 PM EDT
    #edchatie
    In reply to @aoibhinn_ni_s, @dwmal1, @ucdscience
  • aoibhinn_ni_s Oct 16 @ 4:15 PM EDT
    True. It's difficult to relay to a big group but I try to communicate the value of & worth from teaching to my students #edchatie
    In reply to @Boole4George, @ucdscience
  • cirzie Oct 16 @ 4:15 PM EDT
    I often plan a mistake mid solution with 6th yr HL class - keeps them on their toes & leads 2 peer teaching. We learn by mistakes! #edchatie
    In reply to @pamelaaobrien, @aoibhinn_ni_s, @Boole4George
  • FoleyKev Oct 16 @ 4:15 PM EDT
    Kevin a Teaching Principal with Ireland s first and only School STEAM Room.Maths books are the problem.Lets teach the concepts #edchatie
  • aoibhinn_ni_s Oct 16 @ 4:15 PM EDT
    It's a shame it's not generally recognised in wider society #edchatie
    In reply to @MajellaDempsey, @Boole4George, @ucdscience
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:15 PM EDT
    There is a need for the neat and fast in some cases but deeper understanding also badly needed #edchatie
    In reply to @aoibhinn_ni_s, @Boole4George
  • fboss Oct 16 @ 4:16 PM EDT
    Welcome back and welcome to tonight's #edchatie - a special for #mathsweek with @mathsweek
    In reply to @MajellaDempsey, @mathsweek, @MaynoothUni, @mathsweek
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:16 PM EDT
    Understanding why we're doing things not just how to do them is so important imho #edchatie
    In reply to @aoibhinn_ni_s, @Boole4George
  • fboss Oct 16 @ 4:17 PM EDT
    Agree completely - teachers need to be comfortable and confident that a mistake is not the end of the world but a learning point #edchatie
    In reply to @pamelaaobrien, @Boole4George
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:17 PM EDT
    Couldn't agree more. Recognising when there's a problem with what you've done is key #edchatie
    In reply to @Boole4George
  • aoibhinn_ni_s Oct 16 @ 4:17 PM EDT
    I always felt proud when my students spotted a mistake and were happy to tell me & work through it together! #edchatie
    In reply to @cirzie, @pamelaaobrien, @Boole4George
  • michealcannon Oct 16 @ 4:17 PM EDT
    more research from @ParaicTreacy relevant to topic. Is Project Maths causing decline in basic skills? #edchatie https://t.co/NC7oSdN1iE
    In reply to @j_loughlin, @gavinobriain, @ParaicTreacy
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:18 PM EDT
    Absolutely. My students often ask how I knew there was a problem with what I did #edchatie
    In reply to @stemwaterford, @fboss
  • aoibhinn_ni_s Oct 16 @ 4:18 PM EDT
    Of course. Skills in procedure a necessity but should be underpinned by understanding and sense-making #edchatie
    In reply to @pamelaaobrien, @Boole4George
  • mathsweek Oct 16 @ 4:18 PM EDT
    #edchatie aesthetically and mathematically fascinating maths and Art projects on https://t.co/lpbmgJHDQQ #steam
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:18 PM EDT
    #edchatie
    • WexfordHomeSch Oct 16 @ 4:15 PM EDT
      That's why i think taking the kids offline so to speak and getting stuck into the maths through games & play is so important sometimes
      In reply to @aoibhinn_ni_s, @pamelaaobrien, @Boole4George
  • j_loughlin Oct 16 @ 4:18 PM EDT
    Very interesting. Wasn't aware of this research. Thanks πŸ‘ #edchatie
    In reply to @michealcannon, @gavinobriain, @ParaicTreacy
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:19 PM EDT
    I sometimes plan it too ... and sometimes it's not planned πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚ #edchatie
    In reply to @cirzie, @aoibhinn_ni_s, @Boole4George
  • MajellaDempsey Oct 16 @ 4:19 PM EDT
    I think mathematical thinking skills are essential for all students, pity such emphasis on end product rather than thinking #edchatie
  • AlecMahony Oct 16 @ 4:19 PM EDT
    Is project maths approach linked to this continued decline in the performance of weakest students? #edchatie
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:19 PM EDT
    If we start to get that message out there our students will follow our lead #edchatie
    In reply to @fboss, @Boole4George
  • DeirdreMcDunphy Oct 16 @ 4:20 PM EDT
    The answer is not so important. Students need to be comfortable and proud to show a different method #edchatie
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:20 PM EDT
    No shame in making a mistake. Great learning for students when they spot it #edchatie
    In reply to @aoibhinn_ni_s, @cirzie, @Boole4George
  • michealcannon Oct 16 @ 4:21 PM EDT
    #edchatie
  • stemwaterford Oct 16 @ 4:22 PM EDT
    It shouldn't alwAys be about the answer but how you got there #edchatie @fboss
    • DeirdreMcDunphy Oct 16 @ 4:20 PM EDT
      The answer is not so important. Students need to be comfortable and proud to show a different method #edchatie
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:22 PM EDT
    For me that sense making often what's lacking in students. They can implement formula but often not sure what answer should be #edchatie
    In reply to @aoibhinn_ni_s, @Boole4George
  • aoibhinn_ni_s Oct 16 @ 4:22 PM EDT
    Far less content taught in other primary curricula but deeper understanding of the basics achieved #edchatie
    In reply to @DonegalPaul9
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:22 PM EDT
    Important that we show that to our students Ciara #edchatie
    In reply to @cirzie, @aoibhinn_ni_s, @Boole4George
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:23 PM EDT
    #edchatie
    • WexfordHomeSch Oct 16 @ 4:20 PM EDT
      After doing a module on problem based learning I learned to start doing this also to help me assess the children's understanding
      In reply to @cirzie, @pamelaaobrien, @aoibhinn_ni_s, @Boole4George
  • cirzie Oct 16 @ 4:23 PM EDT
    We’ve worked hard over the past few yrs2 boost students confidence in Maths; teaching them that mistake areπŸ‘ŒπŸ»is the 1st step! #EdChatIE
  • Boole4George Oct 16 @ 4:23 PM EDT
    My wish for primary would be that the kids would do less material and do what they do at a deeper level #edchatie
    In reply to @CosmicCork, @aoibhinn_ni_s, @fboss, @ucdscience, @mathsweek
  • aoibhinn_ni_s Oct 16 @ 4:23 PM EDT
    Yes, all valid. But research shows maths content knowledge, underpinned by PCK, most significant impact on student learning #edchatie
    In reply to @CosmicCork, @fboss, @Boole4George, @ucdscience, @mathsweek
  • fboss Oct 16 @ 4:24 PM EDT
    Have spent ages with my own kids and their books when the answer is wrong trying to figure it out but not knowing why #edchatie #mathsweek
    In reply to @FoleyKev
  • cirzie Oct 16 @ 4:24 PM EDT
    Great idea!! Never thought of that #ideaRobbed πŸ™ŒπŸ»#EdChatIE
    In reply to @WexfordHomeSch, @pamelaaobrien, @aoibhinn_ni_s, @Boole4George
  • aoibhinn_ni_s Oct 16 @ 4:25 PM EDT
    Entirely agree. #edchatie
    In reply to @Boole4George, @CosmicCork, @fboss, @ucdscience, @mathsweek
  • WexfordHomeSch Oct 16 @ 4:25 PM EDT
    How do other Educators feel about Game Based Learning being incorporated into the Maths lessons in the Classroom #edchatie
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:25 PM EDT
    definitely. important that we recognise that there are different ways of getting to that answer too. Not just one way to get there #edchatie
    In reply to @stemwaterford, @fboss
  • fboss Oct 16 @ 4:25 PM EDT
    That's a fantastic website - thanks for the link #edchatie #mathsweek
    In reply to @mathsweek
  • aoibhinn_ni_s Oct 16 @ 4:26 PM EDT
    All of those things are so important! No one remembers the timetable but they will remember the experiences. #edchatie
    In reply to @CosmicCork, @Boole4George, @fboss, @ucdscience, @mathsweek
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:26 PM EDT
    #edchatie
    • WexfordHomeSch Oct 16 @ 4:22 PM EDT
      I picked up a wonderful tip recently and issue a ticket to kids who spot my mistakes in lessons then maybe i'll reward x amount of tickets
      In reply to @pamelaaobrien, @aoibhinn_ni_s, @cirzie, @Boole4George
  • j_loughlin Oct 16 @ 4:26 PM EDT
    Project maths tried this and it hasn't worked #edchatie
    In reply to @WexfordHomeSch, @FoleyKev
  • EdelBrownie Oct 16 @ 4:26 PM EDT
    They completely eliminate rough work too, which is often as important as the answer itself #edchatie
    In reply to @aoibhinn_ni_s, @pamelaaobrien, @Boole4George
  • AinedeFaoite Oct 16 @ 4:27 PM EDT
    always do mistakes (in first class)esp when presenting work on board with them-kids love finding them-helps to build the + culture #edchatie
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:27 PM EDT
    Very important that we do #edchatie
    In reply to @WexfordHomeSch, @cirzie, @aoibhinn_ni_s, @Boole4George
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:27 PM EDT
    #edchatie
    • WexfordHomeSch Oct 16 @ 4:24 PM EDT
      love when a teacher can openly admit a mistake we ain't always right it's important to accept that even in front of students
      In reply to @pamelaaobrien, @cirzie, @aoibhinn_ni_s, @Boole4George
  • aoibhinn_ni_s Oct 16 @ 4:27 PM EDT
    My senior primary teacher (my dad) played maths puzzles with us in class.10 yrs later I realised they were quadratic & cubic eqns! #edchatie
    In reply to @CosmicCork, @Boole4George, @fboss, @ucdscience, @mathsweek
  • AinedeFaoite Oct 16 @ 4:27 PM EDT
    Haven't started making mistakes with my senior infants yet but intend to πŸ‘Œ #edchatie
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:27 PM EDT
    #edchatie
    • rmehigan Oct 16 @ 4:25 PM EDT
      The first "thinking tool" in @danieldennett's excellent book "Intuition Pumps" is "making mistakes"
      In reply to @aoibhinn_ni_s, @pamelaaobrien, @Boole4George, @danieldennett
  • FoleyKev Oct 16 @ 4:27 PM EDT
    As an experienced school Leader I think we must teach from the heart and not from the book.Maths books STEM higher order thinking #EdChatIE
  • fboss Oct 16 @ 4:28 PM EDT
    We're into the famous final five minutes of tonight's #edchatie special for #mathsweek so, any last thoughts, ideas, solutions (maths term)
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:28 PM EDT
    So important to see people's workings. At least then you can see their thinking #edchatie
    In reply to @EdelBrownie, @aoibhinn_ni_s, @Boole4George
  • AshDonohoe Oct 16 @ 4:28 PM EDT
    Had this very experience this week wt 2 students! Both arguing their case...only to see they were both right! Fabulous class! ❀ #edchatie
    In reply to @DeirdreMcDunphy
  • pamelaaobrien Oct 16 @ 4:29 PM EDT
    #edchatie
  • DonegalPaul9 Oct 16 @ 4:29 PM EDT
    Agree completely. Was asked to show fraction progression from infants to 6th class once. Participants were exhausted by 3rd class! #edchatie
    In reply to @aoibhinn_ni_s