#formativechat Archive
Discuss the implementation, impact of Formative and formative assessment.
Monday September 11, 2017
7:30 PM EDT
goformative
Sep 11 @ 7:30 PM EDT
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Sep 11 @ 7:30 PM EDT
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Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:31 PM EDT
Happy to join in with everyone this week for another great
#formativechat
SusZanti5
Sep 11 @ 7:31 PM EDT
Welcome to
#formativechat
We are so glad you are here! Please introduce yourself! Susan, from VA with
@Rdene915
&
@davidwkwan
MaddyLavoe
Sep 11 @ 7:31 PM EDT
Hi everyone! It's been a few weeks but Maddy from NJ checking in 😀
#formativechat
masso_jodi
Sep 11 @ 7:31 PM EDT
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#whitmanwtps
Looking forward to hearing others talk about formative assessment
heisterj
Sep 11 @ 7:31 PM EDT
Jim checking in from Sao Paulo. HS math teacher.
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goformative
Sep 11 @ 7:31 PM EDT
Join us for our weekly
#formativechat
starting...now!
MikeDOstilio
Sep 11 @ 7:32 PM EDT
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Mike from South Jersey Checking in...
BurnsideMath
Sep 11 @ 7:32 PM EDT
Julie, HS math from Houston. Glad to be back chatting!
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theedpodcast
Sep 11 @ 7:32 PM EDT
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Hi all - Shane from AB, Canada. Teacher and education podcaster!
https://t.co/oaJHxCJnKh
NowakRo
Sep 11 @ 7:32 PM EDT
Roman, HS teacher, student success leader, agent of Transformation. Great to be here.
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masso_jodi
Sep 11 @ 7:32 PM EDT
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Josephine Masso Reading Teacher NJ
#whitmanwtps
davidwkwan
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:32 PM EDT
Hey everyone! Happy to be here alongside
@SusZanti5
@Rdene915
& all you other awesome
#formativechat
peeps!
upahk
Sep 11 @ 7:32 PM EDT
Nice to meet you all! Kaylin Upah, Colorado Springs, 7th grade language arts teacher & blogger
https://t.co/KdDBKE8xOh
#formativechat
kwildehealey
Sep 11 @ 7:32 PM EDT
Kelly from RI here
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MikeDOstilio
Sep 11 @ 7:33 PM EDT
A1
#formativechat
Summative Assm'ts can always be formative if you loop back and retest specific standard until mastery sets in.
SusZanti5
Sep 11 @ 7:33 PM EDT
Question 1:
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kispypniko
Sep 11 @ 7:33 PM EDT
Good morning Niko PYP Coordinator from Bangkok
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Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:33 PM EDT
Hi Julie :)
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In reply to @BurnsideMath
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:33 PM EDT
Welcome Shane :)
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In reply to @theedpodcast
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:33 PM EDT
Hi SUsan!
#formativechat
In reply to @SusZanti5, @davidwkwan
TechieTeachOtt
Sep 11 @ 7:33 PM EDT
Tiffany from NE Ohio! 3rd through 5th grade gifted intervention specialist
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davidwkwan
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:33 PM EDT
Hey Jodi! Welcome! Me too!
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In reply to @masso_jodi
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:33 PM EDT
Thanks for joining Maddy, good to have you back!
#formativechat
In reply to @MaddyLavoe
ms_gordo
Sep 11 @ 7:33 PM EDT
Colleeb in Massachusetts checking in!
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Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:33 PM EDT
Welcome Jodi!
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In reply to @masso_jodi
davidwkwan
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:33 PM EDT
Hey Jim! Great to see you again!
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In reply to @heisterj
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:33 PM EDT
Hi Jim :)
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In reply to @heisterj
TechieTeachOtt
Sep 11 @ 7:34 PM EDT
A1 Always thought the distinction between them was silly. Unit assessments are still formative. They guide our next steps.
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Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:34 PM EDT
Thanks for joining Roman!
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In reply to @NowakRo
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:34 PM EDT
Welcome Kelly!
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In reply to @kwildehealey
NowakRo
Sep 11 @ 7:34 PM EDT
A1. Learning never ends. Work on providing feedback, and never finalize process. Keep pushing them.
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SusZanti5
Sep 11 @ 7:33 PM EDT
Question 1:
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davidwkwan
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:34 PM EDT
Bummed I missed last week, but heard that
@Rdene915
&
@DMooreSpanish
hosted an awesome
#formativechat
!
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:34 PM EDT
Hey Niko :)
#formativechat
In reply to @kispypniko
heisterj
Sep 11 @ 7:34 PM EDT
A1-By not putting a "grade" on them until Ss have self-assessed, read the feedback and reflected on their learning.
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Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:34 PM EDT
Hi Tiffany!
#formativechat
In reply to @TechieTeachOtt
JodiMos
Sep 11 @ 7:34 PM EDT
Hey
#formativechat
! Jodi from Atlanta. A bit squiggly…been locked in all day thx to Irma.
davidwkwan
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:34 PM EDT
Welcome back Julie! Always great to see you here!
#formativechat
In reply to @BurnsideMath
kispypniko
Sep 11 @ 7:35 PM EDT
A1 formative use of summative assessment means using information from summative assessment to improve future Ss performance
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kwildehealey
Sep 11 @ 7:35 PM EDT
A1. All assessments are informative- they provide rich data on where instruction/support/etc. is needed AND WHERE IT IS NOT!!
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goformative
Sep 11 @ 7:35 PM EDT
Q1 is now up in
#formativechat
! How can you make summative assessments
#formative
?
SusZanti5
Sep 11 @ 7:33 PM EDT
Question 1:
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Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:35 PM EDT
So true, we are all constant learners
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In reply to @NowakRo
cooper1503
Sep 11 @ 7:35 PM EDT
Hello! Chris from TN.
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DeniseRKane
Sep 11 @ 7:35 PM EDT
It's Denise from South Jersey . Happy to be talking about something OTHER than mandates!
#bts17
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Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:36 PM EDT
Do your Ss ask for a grade? I will write comments, place a check, so often asked "what did I get?"
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In reply to @heisterj
JodiMos
Sep 11 @ 7:36 PM EDT
Q1 If you give chances for retakes or have Ss use the info for misunderstandings
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davidwkwan
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:36 PM EDT
Howdy
@SusZanti5
! Ahoy
@Rdene915
!
#formativechat
In reply to @Rdene915, @SusZanti5, @SusZanti5, @Rdene915
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:36 PM EDT
Hey Jodi, good to have you
#formativechat
In reply to @JodiMos
MaddyLavoe
Sep 11 @ 7:36 PM EDT
A1: Always give Ss a chance to reflect on learning. Also include all summative assessments in a digital portfolio
#formativechat
heisterj
Sep 11 @ 7:36 PM EDT
Hi
@SusZanti5
,
@Rdene915
and
@davidwkwan
! Glad to be back.
#formativechat
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:36 PM EDT
Hey Chris, thanks for joining!
#formativechat
In reply to @cooper1503
kmurfitt1
Sep 11 @ 7:36 PM EDT
Hi! Kimm from NC!
#formativechat
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:36 PM EDT
Definitely! Welcome to a fun
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In reply to @DeniseRKane
goformative
Sep 11 @ 7:37 PM EDT
One way to make summatives...
#formative
...is to still give Ss actionable feedback!
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NowakRo
Sep 11 @ 7:34 PM EDT
A1. Learning never ends. Work on providing feedback, and never finalize process. Keep pushing them.
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SusZanti5
Sep 11 @ 7:33 PM EDT
Question 1:
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hilbarron3
Sep 11 @ 7:37 PM EDT
A1: Don't wait until end. Break the summative into pieces...work on them throughout the unit, getting feedback along the way
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SusZanti5
Sep 11 @ 7:33 PM EDT
Question 1:
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theedpodcast
Sep 11 @ 7:37 PM EDT
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A1: Summative assessments are just milestones on a longer journey. Use them to mark progress and to indicate where to go next
kmurfitt1
Sep 11 @ 7:37 PM EDT
A1: Stop worrying about nailing a grade on things and instead use assessments as a guide for teaching.
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MikeDOstilio
Sep 11 @ 7:37 PM EDT
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@hilbarron3
That's a fabulous way to certify learning
hilbarron3
Sep 11 @ 7:37 PM EDT
A1: Don't wait until end. Break the summative into pieces...work on them throughout the unit, getting feedback along the way
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SusZanti5
Sep 11 @ 7:33 PM EDT
Question 1:
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heisterj
Sep 11 @ 7:37 PM EDT
The first time through the process, yes. Then after each successive summative, no. The ask for the reflection form.
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In reply to @Rdene915
kispypniko
Sep 11 @ 7:38 PM EDT
A1 Any activity undertaken by a student provides an opportunity for an assessment of the S's performance both FA and SA
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DrJacieMaslyk
Sep 11 @ 7:38 PM EDT
I'm ready for us to shift from "what grade did I get?" to "what did we learn".
#formativechat
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:36 PM EDT
Do your Ss ask for a grade? I will write comments, place a check, so often asked "what did I get?"
#formativechat
In reply to @heisterj
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:38 PM EDT
Hi Kimm :)
#formativechat
In reply to @kmurfitt1
goformative
Sep 11 @ 7:38 PM EDT
Great idea! A summative can be another snapshot of learning for Ss to grow upon!
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heisterj
Sep 11 @ 7:34 PM EDT
A1-By not putting a "grade" on them until Ss have self-assessed, read the feedback and reflected on their learning.
#formativechat
DeniseRKane
Sep 11 @ 7:38 PM EDT
A1: sooo tough! W/ AP kids, we have our eyes on the AP exam prize. W/o a midterm or final, it's hard to keep kids motivated.
#formativechat
upahk
Sep 11 @ 7:38 PM EDT
A1: Teaching is never "done." Summative assessments aren't the end of learning; they show what Ss can do at 1 point in time
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masso_jodi
Sep 11 @ 7:39 PM EDT
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#whitmanwtps
Ss working in small groups take more chances to give answers then when assessed by themselves
SusZanti5
Sep 11 @ 7:39 PM EDT
Yes! Cultivate a culture of reflecting- and giving and receiving feedback well!
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MaddyLavoe
Sep 11 @ 7:36 PM EDT
A1: Always give Ss a chance to reflect on learning. Also include all summative assessments in a digital portfolio
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donald_gately
Sep 11 @ 7:39 PM EDT
#formativechat
Hi - sorry I'm late - Don - MS Principal Long Island
TechieTeachOtt
Sep 11 @ 7:39 PM EDT
That's what I do w/
@thegridmethod
. Assessments are built w/in the unit itself and get increasingly difficult- Increased DOK
#formativechat
In reply to @hilbarron3, @thegridmethod
MikeDOstilio
Sep 11 @ 7:40 PM EDT
@DeniseRKane
I know a guy
@DrMuscelli
who has some great ideas for AP formative assessment and motivation
#formativechat
DeniseRKane
Sep 11 @ 7:38 PM EDT
A1: sooo tough! W/ AP kids, we have our eyes on the AP exam prize. W/o a midterm or final, it's hard to keep kids motivated.
#formativechat
goformative
Sep 11 @ 7:40 PM EDT
Yes! Summatives can be made formative by using insights to inform the next learning unit's planning & differentiation !
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kispypniko
Sep 11 @ 7:35 PM EDT
A1 formative use of summative assessment means using information from summative assessment to improve future Ss performance
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theedpodcast
Sep 11 @ 7:40 PM EDT
#formativechat
A1b: Ideally, I'd like to set up a course with a single product at the end; summative assessment would be like a "check-in"
SusZanti5
Sep 11 @ 7:40 PM EDT
Absolutely!
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DrJacieMaslyk
Sep 11 @ 7:38 PM EDT
I'm ready for us to shift from "what grade did I get?" to "what did we learn".
#formativechat
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:36 PM EDT
Do your Ss ask for a grade? I will write comments, place a check, so often asked "what did I get?"
#formativechat
In reply to @heisterj
kispypniko
Sep 11 @ 7:41 PM EDT
A2 Start small – pick 1-3 strategies/techniques and practice them until they are routine – for both you and your Ss
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mospillman
Sep 11 @ 7:41 PM EDT
A1 Sped Tchr from GA. Heard podcast about schools that don't give grades. Tests r called surveys, which implies action.
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TechieTeachOtt
Sep 11 @ 7:41 PM EDT
A chance to reflect, and round it out with a chance to retake to show their
#mastery
!
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In reply to @MaddyLavoe
donald_gately
Sep 11 @ 7:41 PM EDT
A1 If you believe that never too late to learn and demonstrate learning then Summative MUST also be formative assessment
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davidwkwan
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:41 PM EDT
Yes! Each assessment is an opportunity to teach responsively!
#formativechat
In reply to @kwildehealey
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:41 PM EDT
Ongoing FORmative assessment is prep, like this
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goformative
Sep 11 @ 7:41 PM EDT
Q2 is coming up in our weekly
#formativechat
!
DrJacieMaslyk
Sep 11 @ 7:41 PM EDT
Agreed! Reflection is a much-needed piece. Learn throughout the process, not merely the product.
#formativechat
MaddyLavoe
Sep 11 @ 7:36 PM EDT
A1: Always give Ss a chance to reflect on learning. Also include all summative assessments in a digital portfolio
#formativechat
kispypniko
Sep 11 @ 7:41 PM EDT
be a learner instead of a finisher is my new favorite motto
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In reply to @DrJacieMaslyk
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:41 PM EDT
Welcome Don!
#formativechat
In reply to @donald_gately
kwildehealey
Sep 11 @ 7:41 PM EDT
A1. Have Ss eval own sum assessments- formatively assess their ability to identify strengths & needs for support in own lrng
#formativechat
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:42 PM EDT
Time for Question 2
#formativechat
@goformative
TechieTeachOtt
Sep 11 @ 7:42 PM EDT
Long overdue shift, if you ask me!
#formativechat
What do we need to do to make that happen? How do we effect that change on a large scale?
In reply to @DrJacieMaslyk
goformative
Sep 11 @ 7:42 PM EDT
We love this idea! Emphasize learning over judgment!
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JodiMos
Sep 11 @ 7:36 PM EDT
Q1 If you give chances for retakes or have Ss use the info for misunderstandings
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cooper1503
Sep 11 @ 7:42 PM EDT
A1 GIve students an opportunity to reflect & redo any assign. Refinement, rewriting, editing is part of the learning process.
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theedpodcast
Sep 11 @ 7:42 PM EDT
#formativechat
A2: Biggest issue I see w/collecting data is that ppl don't know how to interpret or utilize it...
TechieTeachOtt
Sep 11 @ 7:42 PM EDT
What a great shift in their outlook on and reaction to assessment!
#formativechat
In reply to @heisterj, @Rdene915
LScumpieru
Sep 11 @ 7:42 PM EDT
Lisa Scumpieru ELA 10th gr. Hagerstown MD. Just finished w/ meet the teacher night.Trying to jump in the chat at stop lights.
#formativechat
masso_jodi
Sep 11 @ 7:42 PM EDT
I think our parents are so concerned with grades that we sometimes struggle to teach them to learn on their own
#formativechat
#whitmanwtps
kispypniko
Sep 11 @ 7:43 PM EDT
A2 Make it meaningful, It's important that we inform the Ss why a particular assessment has value, then they'll love to do it
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heisterj
Sep 11 @ 7:43 PM EDT
Both Ss AND Ts learn from and get feedback from each other every assessment.
#formativechat
In reply to @Rdene915
HerrAndersonWT
Sep 11 @ 7:43 PM EDT
I like how students see where they've been and arrived. Real learning results from reflection and collaboration!
#whitmanwtps
#formativechat
In reply to @SusZanti5
davidwkwan
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:43 PM EDT
Agreed! This is such a valuable time to convey that learning is what matters most!
#formativechat
In reply to @MaddyLavoe, @JodiMos
SusZanti5
Sep 11 @ 7:43 PM EDT
#formativechat
for sure-share the word-strategies-ideas-success and the not so successful- it's all learning!
TechieTeachOtt
Sep 11 @ 7:42 PM EDT
Long overdue shift, if you ask me!
#formativechat
What do we need to do to make that happen? How do we effect that change on a large scale?
In reply to @DrJacieMaslyk
theedpodcast
Sep 11 @ 7:43 PM EDT
#formativechat
A2b: Know what you want to know, know what data will indicate useful actions, collect that data.
NowakRo
Sep 11 @ 7:43 PM EDT
A2. Change the type of data collected. Assess with Students. Use feedback. Build on learning collaboratively. Transform
#formativechat
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:42 PM EDT
Time for Question 2
#formativechat
@goformative
kmurfitt1
Sep 11 @ 7:44 PM EDT
A2: You don't need fancy graphs and charts to tell you what well developed questions and tasks can tell you. Analyze and go!
#formativechat
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:44 PM EDT
Yes, continue to work on improvements, rather than grade once and done,
#formativechat
In reply to @cooper1503
JodiMos
Sep 11 @ 7:44 PM EDT
A2 We need to teach Ss to analyze their own data and use it.
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Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:44 PM EDT
Hi Lisa, good to have you!
#formativechat
In reply to @LScumpieru
mospillman
Sep 11 @ 7:44 PM EDT
A2 Having data in visual form helps me. Literally looks like "blah blah blah" when it's just text.
#formativechat
BurnsideMath
Sep 11 @ 7:44 PM EDT
A2). The 🔑 is for Sts to take ownership of reflective piece of assess.Make S's self-assessment natural part of lrng cycle.
#formativechat
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:42 PM EDT
Time for Question 2
#formativechat
@goformative
MikeDOstilio
Sep 11 @ 7:45 PM EDT
A2
#formativechat
by engaging in PBL, you're able to provide more time to conference with your students.
LScumpieru
Sep 11 @ 7:45 PM EDT
A1: Sometimes a summative will be a diagnostic or jumping point.It may exist in the gradebook but it does not drive the grade.
#FormativeChat
SusZanti5
Sep 11 @ 7:33 PM EDT
Question 1:
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Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:45 PM EDT
So true!
#formativechat
In reply to @heisterj
kwildehealey
Sep 11 @ 7:45 PM EDT
Having a great program that collects the data allows 4 informed decisions (less assumption) & time 2 plan accordingly
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cooper1503
Sep 11 @ 7:45 PM EDT
A2 1st learn what it means 2 use it effectively. If you DK, ask. Decide what you need to know most. Reflect and adjust
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Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:42 PM EDT
Time for Question 2
#formativechat
@goformative
theedpodcast
Sep 11 @ 7:45 PM EDT
#formativechat
A2c: It's also important to consider how data is collected: convo's are a great way to get specific info from each student.
DrJacieMaslyk
Sep 11 @ 7:45 PM EDT
I think moving away from traditional letter grades and more towards portfolios and badging opportunities is a start!
#formativechat
TechieTeachOtt
Sep 11 @ 7:42 PM EDT
Long overdue shift, if you ask me!
#formativechat
What do we need to do to make that happen? How do we effect that change on a large scale?
In reply to @DrJacieMaslyk
NowakRo
Sep 11 @ 7:45 PM EDT
A2. We have lots of test data. Use soft data. Skills data. Feedback. Build on process and capacity. Not content.
#formativechat
kispypniko
Sep 11 @ 7:46 PM EDT
A3 Feedback is most effective when it is given at the time of the learning so that Ss can make improvements as they go
#formativechat
goformative
Sep 11 @ 7:46 PM EDT
Yes! Formal assessments don't need to be a surprise. Let Ss demonstrate learning in a way that makes sense for the occasion!
#formativechat
hilbarron3
Sep 11 @ 7:37 PM EDT
A1: Don't wait until end. Break the summative into pieces...work on them throughout the unit, getting feedback along the way
#formativechat
SusZanti5
Sep 11 @ 7:33 PM EDT
Question 1:
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Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:46 PM EDT
One of = reasons I really love doing
#pbl
in my classes, so many opps for learning, time to build relatshps, interact with Ss
#formativechat
In reply to @MikeDOstilio
davidwkwan
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:46 PM EDT
love that one! thanks for sharing Niko!
#formativechat
In reply to @kispypniko, @DrJacieMaslyk
heisterj
Sep 11 @ 7:46 PM EDT
A2-Get Ss involved. Let them have input on the assessment, give them fb, let them self-assess. Let them drive their learning.
#formativechat
NowakRo
Sep 11 @ 7:47 PM EDT
A2. Video feedback and data. Student talking, explaining, justifying. Doesn't all have to be pen and paper.
#formativechat
MaddyLavoe
Sep 11 @ 7:47 PM EDT
A2: Tools like Socrative, GoFormative and GoogleForms which compile all student data in 1 place
#formativechat
maverikcrq
Sep 11 @ 7:47 PM EDT
A1) By turning the objectives of standards & grade level expectations into
#goodquestions
#formativechat
In reply to @SusZanti5
TechieTeachOtt
Sep 11 @ 7:47 PM EDT
A2 Make tech work 4 u! Many tools at our fingertips as modern Ts If we use them they free our time to use the info they give!
#formativechat
SusZanti5
Sep 11 @ 7:47 PM EDT
Relationships! Essential!
#formativechat
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:46 PM EDT
One of = reasons I really love doing
#pbl
in my classes, so many opps for learning, time to build relatshps, interact with Ss
#formativechat
In reply to @MikeDOstilio
kwildehealey
Sep 11 @ 7:47 PM EDT
A2. Here r some incredible tools for engaging in Data Conversations
https://t.co/3XIvprRk8l
#formativechat
upahk
Sep 11 @ 7:47 PM EDT
A2: You don't need elaborate data collection. As an ELA teacher, I'm constantly conferencing with Ss as they work & write
#formativechat
NowakRo
Sep 11 @ 7:47 PM EDT
Learning portfolios are great.
#formativechat
In reply to @DrJacieMaslyk
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:48 PM EDT
Feedback that is timely, purposeful, authentic is key
#formativechat
In reply to @kispypniko
maverikcrq
Sep 11 @ 7:48 PM EDT
A2) Go deeper. Ask broader open-ended
#goodquestions
& use problems & text as evidence & examples to support responses
#formativechat
In reply to @Rdene915, @goformative
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:48 PM EDT
Agree, great for Ss to see their progress, reflect, build confidence in learning
#formativechat
In reply to @NowakRo, @DrJacieMaslyk
davidwkwan
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:48 PM EDT
Great point to bring up Denise! Is there a way you can compartmentalize focus on the AP exam?
#formativechat
In reply to @DeniseRKane
kispypniko
Sep 11 @ 7:49 PM EDT
A3 Give Ss an opportunity to use their feedback, give a second chance, make it real, make it count
#formativechat
masso_jodi
Sep 11 @ 7:49 PM EDT
#formativechat
today we used Fist of Five as an assessment of understanding in Read class and that was a quick way to poll Ss
#whitmanwtps
SusZanti5
Sep 11 @ 7:49 PM EDT
Conferencing is an amzing formative!
#formativechat
upahk
Sep 11 @ 7:47 PM EDT
A2: You don't need elaborate data collection. As an ELA teacher, I'm constantly conferencing with Ss as they work & write
#formativechat
TechieTeachOtt
Sep 11 @ 7:49 PM EDT
There is a website that has a free course. I'm kind of obsessed with it, also. Would be glad to help!
#formativechat
https://t.co/ckYXvDYNq7
In reply to @hilbarron3, @thegridmethod
kwildehealey
Sep 11 @ 7:49 PM EDT
A2. Have Ss keep track of their own data in data notebook... more ownership, understanding, accountability, goal setting
#formativechat
davidwkwan
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:49 PM EDT
I know a T that focuses on the standards & then starting in January, has a check up on specific standards, once a week
#formativechat
In reply to @DeniseRKane
heisterj
Sep 11 @ 7:49 PM EDT
I love using autocrat after collecting information from a Google form. Makes life really easy.
#formativechat
In reply to @MaddyLavoe
maverikcrq
Sep 11 @ 7:49 PM EDT
A2) Ask Ss to go deeper & further. Have them describe & explain. Address & respond - not just answer
#formativechat
In reply to @Rdene915, @goformative
goformative
Sep 11 @ 7:50 PM EDT
Q2 is up in
#formativechat
!
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:42 PM EDT
Time for Question 2
#formativechat
@goformative
SusZanti5
Sep 11 @ 7:50 PM EDT
Yes! Build a community of Ss who are inquisitive! Ask questions to mediate Ss thinking!
#formativechat
maverikcrq
Sep 11 @ 7:48 PM EDT
A2) Go deeper. Ask broader open-ended
#goodquestions
& use problems & text as evidence & examples to support responses
#formativechat
In reply to @Rdene915, @goformative
davidwkwan
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:50 PM EDT
Welcome Monica! I like that idea! Do you remember the podcast name?
#formativechat
In reply to @mospillman
TechieTeachOtt
Sep 11 @ 7:51 PM EDT
Like
@flipgrid
! (I have a serious case of
#flipgridfever
)
#formativechat
Also, sometimes a conversation is better than any test!
In reply to @NowakRo, @Flipgrid
LScumpieru
Sep 11 @ 7:51 PM EDT
A2:
#FormativeChat
As a facilitator in the classroom, I make a point of knowing where the students are daily. Data is fluid and not final.
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:42 PM EDT
Time for Question 2
#formativechat
@goformative
DrBody4Life
Sep 11 @ 7:51 PM EDT
A2: Data needs to be timely, accessible and accurate. Share data with students, then create a plan of action based off it.
#formativechat
SusZanti5
Sep 11 @ 7:51 PM EDT
Question 3:
#formativechat
HerrAndersonWT
Sep 11 @ 7:52 PM EDT
By taking the data gathered and looking at your overarching goals and how Ss have progressed toward those.
#whitmanwtps
#formativechat
In reply to @SusZanti5
TechieTeachOtt
Sep 11 @ 7:52 PM EDT
Ooh! You said badges! I love badges! :) It's pretty much
#standardsbasedgrading
Do you know the content? Here's your badge!
#formativechat
In reply to @DrJacieMaslyk
mospillman
Sep 11 @ 7:52 PM EDT
A3 Again, podcast on school that doesn't use grades focused on play. What if Ss saw FA as level ups/game challenges!
#formativechat
#XPLAP
kwildehealey
Sep 11 @ 7:52 PM EDT
A3. Explicit instruction on what to do... model this for them. Then give them a chance to make recommendations to peers
#formativechat
TechieTeachOtt
Sep 11 @ 7:52 PM EDT
I always tell my students: "I don't care that you get it done. I care that you get it."
#formativechat
In reply to @kispypniko, @DrJacieMaslyk
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:52 PM EDT
I want to be a facilitator, keep telling Ss I am there to help, not hover and not talk the whole time
#formativechat
In reply to @LScumpieru
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:52 PM EDT
Me too
#FlipgridFever
#formativechat
In reply to @TechieTeachOtt, @NowakRo, @Flipgrid
heisterj
Sep 11 @ 7:53 PM EDT
AGREED! Show and Tell me what you know. The power of a conversation is incredible.
#formativechat
In reply to @TechieTeachOtt, @NowakRo, @Flipgrid
theedpodcast
Sep 11 @ 7:53 PM EDT
#formativechat
A3: S's can act on feedback once they know that they are free to fail and do over; that their actions can make a difference
upahk
Sep 11 @ 7:53 PM EDT
A3: Be real with Ss. If feedback is pointless or unhelpful, they won't act on it. Show them the meaning & purpose behind it.
#formativechat
cooper1503
Sep 11 @ 7:53 PM EDT
A3 We have to teach them to use the feedback & give time to digest it. When Ss understand the critique process =
#WIN
#formativechat
davidwkwan
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:53 PM EDT
Well it sounds like you are already doing an awesome job! How about trying
#geniushour
and later tying in content skills?
#formativechat
In reply to @DeniseRKane
donald_gately
Sep 11 @ 7:53 PM EDT
Love this!!
#formativechat
In reply to @TechieTeachOtt, @DrJacieMaslyk
maverikcrq
Sep 11 @ 7:54 PM EDT
A3) Care about the quality of the response, not just the accuracy. Care to show & tell how deeply you know & understand
#formativechat
In reply to @SusZanti5
kmurfitt1
Sep 11 @ 7:54 PM EDT
A3: Give them lots of practice giving and receiving feedback. Teach them how to ask questions of themselves and others.
#formativechat
kwildehealey
Sep 11 @ 7:54 PM EDT
A3. Give them opportunities- incentivize them - don't make a redo a punishment, but rather a celebrated opportunity 4 growth
#formativechat
JodiMos
Sep 11 @ 7:54 PM EDT
A3 Give FB in ways they can receive it. Small amounts. Voice apps.
#formativechat
SusZanti5
Sep 11 @ 7:54 PM EDT
That's growth-mindset at work TIffany! Awesome
#formativechat
TechieTeachOtt
Sep 11 @ 7:52 PM EDT
I always tell my students: "I don't care that you get it done. I care that you get it."
#formativechat
In reply to @kispypniko, @DrJacieMaslyk
hilbarron3
Sep 11 @ 7:54 PM EDT
A2: technology helps...also have Ss create criteria with you so they understand it, use them to help give each other feedback
#formativechat
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:42 PM EDT
Time for Question 2
#formativechat
@goformative
NowakRo
Sep 11 @ 7:54 PM EDT
A3. Use 1on1 conferencing. Give them the chance to react on feedback, show learning. Build on growth mindset. Keep trying.
#formativechat
SusZanti5
Sep 11 @ 7:51 PM EDT
Question 3:
#formativechat
masso_jodi
Sep 11 @ 7:54 PM EDT
when you give the students great feedback it enables to take ownership of their learning
#whitmanwtps
#formativechat
maverikcrq
Sep 11 @ 7:54 PM EDT
A3) Always challenge students & have them choose to do better or go further
#formativechat
In reply to @SusZanti5
anneagost
Sep 11 @ 7:54 PM EDT
A3: Allow them time to act on it during class. Re-engagement lessons are my fave.
https://t.co/0viZK0bzFy
#formativechat
In reply to @SusZanti5
kelhastings
Sep 11 @ 7:54 PM EDT
Has to be very specific, too. Focused.
#formativechat
SusZanti5
Sep 11 @ 7:51 PM EDT
Question 3:
#formativechat
DrBody4Life
Sep 11 @ 7:54 PM EDT
A4: Model how one accepts, understands, and grows from feedback. Then offer alternative and reassessment opportunities.
#formativechat
SusZanti5
Sep 11 @ 7:54 PM EDT
Yes, process FA results with Ss-deepen their grasp!
#formativechat
maverikcrq
Sep 11 @ 7:54 PM EDT
A3) Care about the quality of the response, not just the accuracy. Care to show & tell how deeply you know & understand
#formativechat
In reply to @SusZanti5
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:54 PM EDT
And we definitely need to make sure Ss understand this process, begin to think more positively
#formativechat
In reply to @theedpodcast
TechieTeachOtt
Sep 11 @ 7:54 PM EDT
A3 Ss in my class don't move on until they prove mastery on each learning opportunity. Every Ss is at a different place...
#formativechat
heisterj
Sep 11 @ 7:54 PM EDT
A3-Don't immediately put a grade on everything. Have Ss formulate and follow through on their plan for learning.
#formativechat
mospillman
Sep 11 @ 7:54 PM EDT
Just found it!
https://t.co/i9pWBZnyFn
#formativechat
In reply to @davidwkwan
MikeDOstilio
Sep 11 @ 7:55 PM EDT
A3
#formativechat
. Ss act on feedback by bldg a culture. There's always a chance to improve. It's about learning not just getting grade in
goformative
Sep 11 @ 7:55 PM EDT
Spend less time collecting data by focusing on collecting what you need to move learning forward!
#formativechat
MHunt5th
Sep 11 @ 7:52 PM EDT
I keep formative questions to a max of 4...this way I can focus on specific skills. And it takes pressure of the kids...
In reply to @Rdene915, @goformative
BurnsideMath
Sep 11 @ 7:55 PM EDT
A3)assist them in formulating own plan to work on weak areas.Provide resources for further practice & guide them to seek own.
#formativechat
SusZanti5
Sep 11 @ 7:51 PM EDT
Question 3:
#formativechat
SusZanti5
Sep 11 @ 7:55 PM EDT
Boom!
#formativechat
NowakRo
Sep 11 @ 7:54 PM EDT
A3. Use 1on1 conferencing. Give them the chance to react on feedback, show learning. Build on growth mindset. Keep trying.
#formativechat
SusZanti5
Sep 11 @ 7:51 PM EDT
Question 3:
#formativechat
goformative
Sep 11 @ 7:55 PM EDT
great idea Maria!
#formativechat
In reply to @MHunt5th, @Rdene915
LScumpieru
Sep 11 @ 7:55 PM EDT
A3: Make it a conversation and less of a directive. Change Ss mindset to believe that feedback is there to help -not hinder.
#FormativeChat
SusZanti5
Sep 11 @ 7:51 PM EDT
Question 3:
#formativechat
kwildehealey
Sep 11 @ 7:55 PM EDT
Love this! My favorite go to statement is, "Tell me more about that."
#formativechat
In reply to @maverikcrq, @Rdene915, @goformative
MaddyLavoe
Sep 11 @ 7:55 PM EDT
A3: Helping Ss set realistic learning goals and checking in with Ss regularly through conferencing
#formativechat
TechieTeachOtt
Sep 11 @ 7:55 PM EDT
A3b ...in our unit because they are all working at the pace and place they need!
#masterylearning
#formativechat
anneagost
Sep 11 @ 7:56 PM EDT
I think
#SBG
is a great thing for this reason.
#formativechat
In reply to @MikeDOstilio
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:56 PM EDT
Yes, was working on essential Questions today, getting them to expand, was fun :)
#formativechat
In reply to @kwildehealey, @maverikcrq, @goformative
SusZanti5
Sep 11 @ 7:56 PM EDT
Indeed-Thanks Lisa for sharing!
#formativechat
LScumpieru
Sep 11 @ 7:55 PM EDT
A3: Make it a conversation and less of a directive. Change Ss mindset to believe that feedback is there to help -not hinder.
#FormativeChat
SusZanti5
Sep 11 @ 7:51 PM EDT
Question 3:
#formativechat
davidwkwan
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:56 PM EDT
oh awesome! I already see an educator I know on there!
#formativechat
In reply to @mospillman
TechieTeachOtt
Sep 11 @ 7:56 PM EDT
Feel free to! The more mindsets we can change, the better off our Ss will be!
#formativechat
In reply to @theedpodcast, @kispypniko, @DrJacieMaslyk
kwildehealey
Sep 11 @ 7:56 PM EDT
So true- allow for validation/triangulation
#formativechat
In reply to @LScumpieru
SusZanti5
Sep 11 @ 7:57 PM EDT
S centered-ownership-build citizens and learners!
#formativechat
In reply to @masso_jodi
TechieTeachOtt
Sep 11 @ 7:57 PM EDT
And also lets Ss who struggle w/ written expression or test anxiety prove that they DO get it. Helps reduce future anxiety.
#formativechat
In reply to @heisterj, @NowakRo, @Flipgrid
maverikcrq
Sep 11 @ 7:57 PM EDT
Please check out my
@ascd
book on what makes
#goodquestions
essential
https://t.co/cGN54dcVMK
#formativechat
In reply to @Rdene915, @kwildehealey, @goformative, @ASCD
kwildehealey
Sep 11 @ 7:57 PM EDT
Here's a good planning resource 4 that...
https://t.co/l7A61S89Q6
#formativechat
In reply to @DrBody4Life
maverikcrq
Sep 11 @ 7:58 PM EDT
I ask, "What do you mean?" The great question my father taught me to ask
#formativechat
In reply to @kwildehealey, @Rdene915, @goformative
TechieTeachOtt
Sep 11 @ 7:58 PM EDT
And never give up on their ability to learn it! I will out-stubborn their belief that they can't until I prove them wrong!
#formativechat
In reply to @NowakRo
goformative
Sep 11 @ 7:58 PM EDT
If we want to make feedback meaningful, we need to give Ss the opportunity & time to apply it!
#formativechat
kispypniko
Sep 11 @ 7:49 PM EDT
A3 Give Ss an opportunity to use their feedback, give a second chance, make it real, make it count
#formativechat
PegGrafwallner
Sep 11 @ 7:59 PM EDT
When I taught skills class, Ss were at different learning places & that was ok. We weren't in a race; we were in a process
#formativechat
In reply to @TechieTeachOtt
SusZanti5
Sep 11 @ 7:59 PM EDT
#formativechat
👍 😊 Thank you
@Rdene915
for &
@goformative
and all of you for an amazing chat!
TechieTeachOtt
Sep 11 @ 7:59 PM EDT
Yes! Our job is not to deliver content, but to faciliate Ss as they access, interpret, & use content!
#formativechat
https://t.co/EK1Bqq9LQd
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:52 PM EDT
I want to be a facilitator, keep telling Ss I am there to help, not hover and not talk the whole time
#formativechat
In reply to @LScumpieru
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 7:59 PM EDT
So important to find that time to connect, even quick on a daily basis, check in and build relatships,
#formativechat
In reply to @MaddyLavoe
heisterj
Sep 11 @ 8:00 PM EDT
I created this form for my Ss to self assess and reflect after all SA. Works great but looling for improvements.
#formativechat
hilbarron3
Sep 11 @ 8:00 PM EDT
And less of a judgement, even adults don't like to be judged so why do we do it to our Ss? agreed help-not hinder
#formativechat
LScumpieru
Sep 11 @ 7:55 PM EDT
A3: Make it a conversation and less of a directive. Change Ss mindset to believe that feedback is there to help -not hinder.
#FormativeChat
SusZanti5
Sep 11 @ 7:51 PM EDT
Question 3:
#formativechat
PierceAdamj
Sep 11 @ 8:00 PM EDT
remind them that it is process and that you are there to support them along the way. nobody gets it right the first time.
#formativechat
In reply to @NowakRo
davidwkwan
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 8:00 PM EDT
Yes! Love the follow up of making sure Ss have the opportunity to give feedback as well!
#formativechat
In reply to @kwildehealey
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 8:00 PM EDT
Yes, it can feel so negative sometimes, have to help Ss see benefits and positive aspects
#formativechat
In reply to @LScumpieru
theedpodcast
Sep 11 @ 8:00 PM EDT
That's it? Aww...thanks for a great chat, all!
#formativechat
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 8:00 PM EDT
Thank you Susan and David!
#formativechat
In reply to @SusZanti5, @goformative
kwildehealey
Sep 11 @ 8:00 PM EDT
Empower Ss not only by the feedback you give, but the process around it
#formativechat
theedpodcast
Sep 11 @ 7:53 PM EDT
#formativechat
A3: S's can act on feedback once they know that they are free to fail and do over; that their actions can make a difference
TechieTeachOtt
Sep 11 @ 8:01 PM EDT
I like to shout, "You failed! And it was awesome! Now you get a chance to learn!" Ss look at me like I am crazy at first.
#formativechat
In reply to @kwildehealey
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 8:01 PM EDT
It took me a while to realize this, was thinking I had to be the only one talking,
#constantlearning
#formativechat
In reply to @TechieTeachOtt
goformative
Sep 11 @ 8:01 PM EDT
Excellent tip! Let Ss give each other feedback! It helps them identify where some of their mistakes may come from!
#formativechat
kwildehealey
Sep 11 @ 7:52 PM EDT
A3. Explicit instruction on what to do... model this for them. Then give them a chance to make recommendations to peers
#formativechat
PierceAdamj
Sep 11 @ 8:01 PM EDT
A3-Have Ss respond Tt feedback and the goals that Ss have set for themselves. Make feedback a partnership between Ss & Ts
#formativechat
JodiMos
Sep 11 @ 8:02 PM EDT
Ts I work w/ help their Ss to use daily or wkly data. Formative or tickets out the door to make decisions abt learning
#formativechat
theedpodcast
Sep 11 @ 7:44 PM EDT
That's interesting! How have you used this in your own class?
In reply to @JodiMos
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 8:02 PM EDT
Yes, have to add in that "yet" try to say I can't do it yet, don't understand it yet, but will work until I do, encourage Ss
#formativechat
In reply to @TechieTeachOtt, @NowakRo
TechieTeachOtt
Sep 11 @ 8:02 PM EDT
Glad you figured it out. :) Now spread the word to other Ts!
#formativechat
#teachbetter
#edrevolution
In reply to @Rdene915
donald_gately
Sep 11 @ 8:03 PM EDT
Thanks everybody !!
#formativechat
goformative
Sep 11 @ 8:03 PM EDT
Still in midst of reading Q3 Rs! This was an awesome chat filled with so many great insights! TY to our hosts!
#formativechat
kwildehealey
Sep 11 @ 8:04 PM EDT
A3. Really get them 2 BELIEVE feedback is a gift. Give scenarios- talk thru how feedback received in scenarios is a gift
#formativechat
TechieTeachOtt
Sep 11 @ 8:04 PM EDT
We spend our first unit studying
#growthmindset
w/ the unit
@khanacademy
has. Also using
@thegridmethod
of course.
#formativechat
In reply to @SusZanti5, @khanacademy, @thegridmethod
davidwkwan
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 8:04 PM EDT
Thank you to
@SusZanti5
&
@Rdene915
for helping host this week!
#formativechat
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 8:04 PM EDT
Be sure to sign up and join us on Sept 26
#formativechat
#engagechat
#edchat
#edumatch
hoonuit
Sep 11 @ 6:46 PM EDT
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#HoonuitLIVE
on
#StuVoice
Sept 26th Register at
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#Hoonuit
hilbarron3
Sep 11 @ 8:05 PM EDT
Thank you great chat, I have 2 new things to research tonight the grid method and a podcast
#formativechat
TechieTeachOtt
Sep 11 @ 8:05 PM EDT
One of Ts at my school made an awesome "Yet" bulletin board! Wish I had a picture to share!
#formativechat
In reply to @Rdene915, @NowakRo
davidwkwan
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 8:05 PM EDT
Agreed! When giving verbal feedback, I would actually kneel a lot of the time to be on the same level!
#formativechat
In reply to @LScumpieru
BrianDunleavy16
Sep 11 @ 8:06 PM EDT
Sorry
@SusZanti5
massive migraine headache! Sad I missed it!
#formativechat
MsBolandSci
Sep 11 @ 8:06 PM EDT
Love this!
#edchat
#formativechat
TechieTeachOtt
Sep 11 @ 7:52 PM EDT
I always tell my students: "I don't care that you get it done. I care that you get it."
#formativechat
In reply to @kispypniko, @DrJacieMaslyk
TechieTeachOtt
Sep 11 @ 8:06 PM EDT
Found an example!
#formativechat
In reply to @Rdene915, @NowakRo
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 8:07 PM EDT
I love it!!
#formativechat
#powerofyet
In reply to @TechieTeachOtt, @NowakRo
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 8:08 PM EDT
Those are the worst, I can relate. Hope you feel better!
#formativechat
In reply to @BrianDunleavy16, @SusZanti5
davidwkwan
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 8:10 PM EDT
I like how you layout each of the learning targets for Ss to reflect upon.
#formativechat
In reply to @heisterj
kwildehealey
Sep 11 @ 8:10 PM EDT
Crazy how little Ss hv heard things like this... I know as a S I didn't! Glad the
#growthmindset
is here!
#formativechat
In reply to @TechieTeachOtt
heisterj
Sep 11 @ 8:11 PM EDT
Thank you
@davidwkwan
,
@SusZanti5
and
@Rdene915
for another awesome
#formativechat
. Can't wait til next week!
kwildehealey
Sep 11 @ 8:14 PM EDT
Thanks
#formativechat
friends ... My assessment (pun intended)- a safe, welcoming place 2 learn n share. Glad 2 b connected
davidwkwan
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 8:16 PM EDT
yeah, I like how you give them those options too. It must make it easier to pick out class trends
#formativechat
In reply to @heisterj
kwildehealey
Sep 11 @ 8:17 PM EDT
@LScumpieru
Yes!!! In it together! We are thought PARTNERS.
#formativechat
In reply to @hilbarron3, @LScumpieru
goformative
Sep 11 @ 8:19 PM EDT
Yes! Just as we need time to process and act on S feedback, they need time to process and act on the feedback we give them!
#formativechat
MHunt5th
Sep 11 @ 8:13 PM EDT
A3 help students identify mistakes and how to correct- also they need time. Students need to practice any new skill for mastery
In reply to @SusZanti5, @goformative
8blah8blah8
Sep 11 @ 8:21 PM EDT
@heisterj
Please let me know when I can get in touch with you. Thank you for the opportunity to work with
@goformative
.
#formativechat
goformative
Sep 11 @ 8:22 PM EDT
Check out this tool for identifying common S needs & developing a plan to act!
#formativechat
#formative
kwildehealey
Sep 11 @ 7:57 PM EDT
Here's a good planning resource 4 that...
https://t.co/l7A61S89Q6
#formativechat
In reply to @DrBody4Life
Rdene915
- Moderator
Sep 11 @ 8:23 PM EDT
Another very informative
#formativechat
:) Thanks to everyone! Learn with and from Ss,
8blah8blah8
Sep 11 @ 8:24 PM EDT
@davidwkwan
Please let me know when I can get in touch with you. Thank you for the opportunity to work with
@goformative
. 🎉
#formativechat