#musedchat Archive

Each Monday evening at 8PM EST, music teachers get together and share ideas about important topics within music education. It’s a great chance to interact directly with educators from all over the world and to get new tips and tricks to help you succeed in the classroom. The entire #musedchat discussion is organized and moderated by Joe Guarr.

Monday October 22, 2018
8:00 PM EDT

  • jguarr - Moderator Oct 22 @ 8:00 PM EDT
    Welcome to #musedchat! Our topic tonight: The hidden curriculum. Be sure to introduce yourself. #musiced
  • AndreaMakarchuk Oct 22 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Andrea. From Alberta, Canada. 6-12 band. #musedchat
  • traviszinnel Oct 22 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Travis here from Iowa. MS vocal music and district fine arts instructional coach. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Oct 22 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Good evening Andrea, how are you tonight? #musedchat
    In reply to @AndreaMakarchuk
  • jguarr - Moderator Oct 22 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    How are you, Travis? Glad you could join us #musedchat
    In reply to @traviszinnel
  • SamuelFritz Oct 22 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    Hi all! Sam Fritz Greenwood, IN 6-8 Band #musedchat
  • traviszinnel Oct 22 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    I'm doing well. Will be in and out tonight as I have bread being baked... It's P-T conferences week. #musedchat Thanks for hosting!
    In reply to @jguarr
  • LStaniszewski1 Oct 22 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    Hello everyone! Lauren Staniszewski, Band Director at Stoney Creek HS in Rochester, MI. Super excited to join in tonight- haven’t had Monday nights free in 8 weeks! #MusEdChat
  • jguarr - Moderator Oct 22 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Some terminology...Hidden curriculum: lessons learned but not explicitly intended (like norms, values, etc). #musedchat #musiced
  • jguarr - Moderator Oct 22 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Good to see you Lauren, hope you've been well. Marching season wrapped up yet? #musedchat
    In reply to @LStaniszewski1
  • jguarr - Moderator Oct 22 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    Mmmm...hope the bread turns out well. What kind are you making? #musedchat
    In reply to @traviszinnel
  • jguarr - Moderator Oct 22 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    How are you this week, Sam? #musedchat
    In reply to @SamuelFritz
  • kellyapetro Oct 22 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    Kelly from Rochester NY 4-6 Vocal #musedchat
  • SamuelFritz Oct 22 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    Doing great! Back from break ready to get back to work! #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • yourfavmusicT Oct 22 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    Sara, Elementary General Music/Band Teacher from IL. #MusEdChat
  • jguarr - Moderator Oct 22 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    Good to see you Kelly, welcome! #musedchat
    In reply to @kellyapetro
  • jguarr - Moderator Oct 22 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    Hi Sara, welcome! #musedchat
    In reply to @yourfavmusicT
  • MsKeeneFineArts Oct 22 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    Sarah - Assistant Band Director 6-12, primary JH Director #MusEdChat
  • jguarr - Moderator Oct 22 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    Good evening and welcome, Sarah! #musedchat
    In reply to @MsKeeneFineArts
  • jguarr - Moderator Oct 22 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    Q1 coming shortly #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Oct 22 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    Q1: What things unique to the music classroom can influence the hidden curriculum? #musedchat
  • AmyLynnRever Oct 22 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    Hi All! Amy joining a little late tonight. Middle school band. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Oct 22 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    A very happy Monday to you, Amy #musedchat
    In reply to @AmyLynnRever
  • yourfavmusicT Oct 22 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    A1: We often teach the same Ss over multiple years. Plenty of opportunities to build relationships and encourage s/e growth. #MusEdChat
  • AmyLynnRever Oct 22 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    A1: Noise! We (students and teachers) have to learn to work with and shape noise as a group. It's never going to be a silent room and to accomplish any kind of goal it takes full effort from all. #musedchat
  • AmyLynnRever Oct 22 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    Always one of my favorite things about our position. Fun to get to know kids and see their growth! #musedchat
    In reply to @yourfavmusicT
  • SamuelFritz Oct 22 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    A1: performance music is the only class that requires interdependence to achieve success. In every other class independent success is the goal. #musedchat
  • suesical Oct 22 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    Sue from NY K-3 general music #musedchat
  • LStaniszewski1 Oct 22 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    For me, it’s all about personal leadership. Independence. It takes a lot of hard work and discipline to make music— they have to both produce and analyze their performance in the moment. #MusEdChat
  • SamuelFritz Oct 22 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    Our choir director says singing is not controlled talking, but controlled yelling. #MusEdChat
    • AmyLynnRever Oct 22 @ 8:12 PM EDT
      A1: Noise! We (students and teachers) have to learn to work with and shape noise as a group. It's never going to be a silent room and to accomplish any kind of goal it takes full effort from all. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Oct 22 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    Good evening and welcome, Sue! #musedchat
    In reply to @suesical
  • traviszinnel Oct 22 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    A1: We can show that ALL individuals can participate. The hidden curriculum can create the split in achievers. We allow positive socialization toward community - regardless of background etc. #musedchat
  • jhallma_mused Oct 22 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    Sorry for joining late tonight, I’m John from MI! Currently a music education major. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Oct 22 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    Basically, yeah. #musedchat
    In reply to @SamuelFritz
  • suesical Oct 22 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    A1: We often see every S or a majority of the school. Can infuse any special topic to whole community #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Oct 22 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    Hi John, welcome #musedchat
    In reply to @jhallma_mused
  • traviszinnel Oct 22 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    And for observers to see that learning comes in all shapes and forms! #musedchat
    In reply to @AmyLynnRever
  • jguarr - Moderator Oct 22 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    One of my favorite things about what we teach. When students buy into the idea that everyone has a positive contribution to make, it's reflected in how they interact with others. #musedchat
    In reply to @traviszinnel
  • jguarr - Moderator Oct 22 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    A1: Instrument selection is unique to what we do...and depending on how we approach instrument stereotypes, we can impact student identity. #musedchat
  • jhallma_mused Oct 22 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    A1: The success of students in a performance based class is much more dependent on the group. In this case, the whole is greater than the individual #musedchat
  • MrBMusicTeacher Oct 22 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    Allo Allo Antoine here from Woodbridge Ontario Canada HS instrumental music teacher MB and drumline director of the @FrBressaniBands #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Oct 22 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    Q2: How do you see the hidden curriculum take shape in your room/program? #musedchat
  • LStaniszewski1 Oct 22 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    A1: Individual leadership. Because students have to simultaneously produce and assess their music in the moment, there’s a degree of individual & ensemble accountability in every minute. It’s obvious what every student is (or is not) thinking about with each note. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Oct 22 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    Good to see you Antoine. Excellent GIF usage. #musedchat
    In reply to @MrBMusicTeacher, @FrBressaniBands
  • yourfavmusicT Oct 22 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    That can be a refreshing change for Ss from diverse cultural backgrounds. #musedchat
    In reply to @jhallma_mused
  • traviszinnel Oct 22 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    And there is an idea of privilege... who gets to play percussion - do they have to have piano? Can they afford a high quality instrument? Can they attend honor events? Can their parents watch them at those events too? #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • traviszinnel Oct 22 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    A2: My room has student artwork, and we can hear representations of different cultural backgrounds. Windows, mirrors, sliding glass doors. You are want you program too! #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Oct 22 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    On the other hand...if a kid is going to honor events, I'm going to play it up as much as possible on the school announcements so it's on par with the athletics accomplishments. #musedchat
    In reply to @traviszinnel
  • yourfavmusicT Oct 22 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    Q2: In General Music, it’s all about community building. We start every K class with a getting know you type question with rhythmic answers. It’s my first year at this particular school so jets really important to build that sense of safety and belonging. #MusEdChat
  • LStaniszewski1 Oct 22 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    A2: Leadership and accountability have become big topics. Started last year with doing leadership training for any interested students by reading 7 Habits of Highly Effective People. Enjoying @BreneBrown’s Dare to Lead for new ideas this year. #MusEdChat
  • suesical Oct 22 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    A2: Ss coming out of their shell, being bold, taking risks, working together, expressing emotion. Finding success where they struggled in the past #musedchat
  • suesical Oct 22 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    A2: some years random skills - this year extra help campaign - teaching shoe tying #musedchat
  • traviszinnel Oct 22 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    Expressing emotion is beneficial! #musedchat
    In reply to @suesical
  • yourfavmusicT Oct 22 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    Do you happen to have a special shoe tying song? #MusEdChat
    In reply to @suesical
  • jguarr - Moderator Oct 22 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    I get that there's an element of privilege involved with those groups. But at the same time...I want my band kids to know that their achievements have just as much value as anyone else's. #musedchat
    In reply to @traviszinnel
  • suesical Oct 22 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    I wrote one! I also have colored shoe laces on cardstock that we practice with. This week's plan is to video it. I'll send the link when I get my act together. #musedchat
    In reply to @yourfavmusicT
  • jhallma_mused Oct 22 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    A2: In most cases, programming for concerts. What are we saying we value by the music we play, who wrote it, and where it comes from? #musedchat
  • DoReMiDivnick Oct 22 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    #MusEdChat A1: Every day, in every class, we teach the social constructs of our culture: from finding partners for a play party to supporting others' efforts and encouraging improvement, there are constantly lessons beyond learning the vocabulary and skills of music-making.
    In reply to @jguarr
  • traviszinnel Oct 22 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    I am working within our district to improvement the accessibility to instruments. :) It takes a director be conscious and not use it as a crutch for their ensembles success. #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • traviszinnel Oct 22 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    Truth!!!!!!!! #musedchat
    • jhallma_mused Oct 22 @ 8:27 PM EDT
      A2: In most cases, programming for concerts. What are we saying we value by the music we play, who wrote it, and where it comes from? #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Oct 22 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    Q3: Has an item ever moved from from the hidden to core curriculum for you? What was it and why? #musedchat
  • traviszinnel Oct 22 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    A3: I have decided that I am trying to be more transparent with Ss about why we are doing, what we are doing. Why do we sing music by marginalized composers? How can we appreciate the canon, but push our thinking. Even beyond the "standard" Composers of color #musedchat
  • yourfavmusicT Oct 22 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    A3: Since adopting the National Core Arts Standards, more And more S voice and choice has found its way into the core curriculum. #MusEdChat
  • AndreaMakarchuk Oct 22 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    Our province is currently redoing curriculum for all courses. And the new curriculum for music will include connection to self and others #musedchat
  • traviszinnel Oct 22 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    I intentionally work with my 7th and 8th grade singers to choose repertoire for their spring concert. Guiding them, but letting them sift through the problematic titles etc. #musedchat
    In reply to @yourfavmusicT
  • MrBMusicTeacher Oct 22 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    I'm enjoying all ur tweets. The Ontario curriculum isn't black and white but is structured to. The teachers strength. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Oct 22 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    Q4: What’s an aspect of the hidden curriculum that has changed the way you approach your class? #musedchat
  • traviszinnel Oct 22 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    And I do get a little economical with them, asking... why should I purchase this? Will it stand the test of time? Also, here's how some of the old folk tunes are problematic. :) #musedchat
    In reply to @yourfavmusicT
  • AndreaMakarchuk Oct 22 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    I talk more about the “why” we do things #MusEdChat
  • traviszinnel Oct 22 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    A4: How can I better help Ss be represented? How can I encourage service learning? #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Oct 22 @ 8:43 PM EDT
    A4: My rep selection has really changed the last couple years. Used to be a steady diet of Balmages/Ticheli/Standridge/etc. Those pieces are still present, but thanks to some convos on here, our programs have gotten more diverse #musedchat
  • yourfavmusicT Oct 22 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    A4: I don’t necessarily conduct the same exact class for different groups of Ss at the same grade level. There is a lot more understanding of meeting S personalities and needs. #MusEdChat
  • jhallma_mused Oct 22 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    A4: Understanding that every S should be able to see themselves in the profession. #musedchat
  • jhallma_mused Oct 22 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    A4.1: Also going to back to programming for concerts, we have to understand that a choice to do one piece is also a choice to not do every other piece. #musedchat
  • DoReMiDivnick Oct 22 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    #MusEdChat A2: I ask the kids about responsibility / consequences a LOT. Who's job is it to listen carefully? How is the result when one or two aren't with the tempo? What do we do to stay balanced? Those types of questions often are reflections of "real life" situations, too.
    In reply to @jguarr
  • LStaniszewski1 Oct 22 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    A3: Personal accountability for sure. Making sure Ss are always forming opinions/ deciding “is that how I want it to sound?” and not settling/going on autopilot while playing. #MusEdChat
  • jguarr - Moderator Oct 22 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    Q5: What do you remember about the hidden curriculum from your own time as a student? How has that shaped your approach today? #musedchat
  • DoReMiDivnick Oct 22 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    #MusEdChat A3a: Anytime I hear "boys don't do ___" or "only girls can ___" I get up on my soapbox and show the kids a video that demonstrates the opposite. If they can learn a bit of
    In reply to @jguarr
  • LStaniszewski1 Oct 22 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    A4: Encouraging students to keep forming opinions about their playing; becoming aware that our actions are all choices, and we get to shape every note/choose every step. #musedchat
  • DoReMiDivnick Oct 22 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    #MusEdChat A3b: gender equality through musical endeavours, I'm okay with that. And if they happen to learn more about the cello, composing, or boys' choirs, that's okay too.
    In reply to @jguarr
  • DoReMiDivnick Oct 22 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    #MusEdChat A5: I learned early on that my emotional connection to music was powerful, and that I could empathize with people wildly different from me if I sang/performed music from outside of my own experience. I have tried to bring that to my own students.
    In reply to @jguarr