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Q1: How many coaches utilize a divorced strength call with your fronts and the 5 DBs in the back end? Why do you believe in how you do it? This will lead into our split field coverage questions #425chat
That does it for this weeks special teams #WildBunchChat as we go on I would like to get in 8-10 questions each night. Thank you SO much to the coaches that gave input! Will get more in depth each week, right now just getting into philosophies and ideas. #WildBunchChat
Only time we will do it is if we get a Quads look.
Trips and Back off set to the trips. We’ll set the strength away from the back on the DL and secondary to the formation strength. Mainly for our CV 3 and RPO rules. #425chat
We do it a couple different ways. We want to be able to set our leverage player (*) however want. Could be with the run front, field, best WR, etc. Believe it gives us best chance to align our players for success. Added flexibility in game-planning is also a plus. #425chat
I would love to implement it for this season, especially with the amount of spread teams we play. I think we can be better prepared with a divorced front & back end. #425chat
Our strength calls up front mean nothing to our back field, our strength calls deal with the run game, our DBs will adjust depending on formation split coverage or not #425chat
A1: we are divorced. It is flexible especially if we see tight end sets. Set the 3 tech where we want and set the pass strength where we want. #425chat
A1) This is how we do it. We feel that is what makes this style of defense (adjusted to our 3-3} special. Running strength is one thing, passing strength is another. #425chat
We do because split field works best when u have more back defenders defending the wide field. The front 3 tech to boundary allows boundary safety to fit cobra(counter boot reverse) in run game, allowing 6 +1 to field. #425chat
A:1 We use divorced front from secondary. Allows us to play multiple coverages regardless of personnel/formation. Also does and not allow offenses to manuipulate us as much. Most importantly, it simplifies it for the kids. #425chat
A1: have done it multiple ways based off what type of kids we have that yr. have called a front & passing strength different, called strength to multiple WR or TE, & strength to the wide side. Each has advantages #425Chat
A1: with split field coverage - it makes sense to divorce your front and secondary. Especially against trips and empty. Puta your guys in the best position to succeed #425chat
We call a run stength and a pass strength... my mike backer calls the run strength and the fs calls the passing strength and its predetermined my game planning.#425chat
A1) Barry Hoover DC Vernon HS, FL
The beauty of the 4-2-5 is its versatility. We divorce the front and use split field coverages to take advantage of that. #425chat
A1: I think divorcing the front from the back end allows us to keep 6 in the box, forcing the pass read from any Spread/Air Raid OC worth his salt. #425chat
A1: our ends have rules. Our tackle goes w 1st number and nose goes w 2nd call. So no strength call for front. Back end aligns to field and then adjusts based on formations. #425chat
Exactly. And it makes game planning more efficient and puts offenses in a bind when scouting. Never know what we may or can do with the flexibility it allows. #425chat
A1: front and back calls are not tied together unless in a certain front that only allows for a man or man free look. Allows me to play with coverages more if necessary. #425chat
A2) it’s dependent on tendencies with a lot of the team we play. More OC’s have gotten smarter with scripting to keep tendencies 50/50, but there are some F/B and formation tendencies we can get from each team. #425chat
Q2: Field to cover space, to the trips side to match numbers. Also gives us a force player to shorten the field and allow for a proper cover 2 to be played #425chat
If separate passing strength must always be set TO best recr. Take that guy away by placing your “extra” guy to him. Limits big play potential. Limits not eliminates. Make the o do something they don’t want #425chat
Formation, and personnel... if the other team as a stud receiver we want to get our best corner to matchup with him! I want my rover on the trips side.#425chat
A2: we do not dictate strength in our backfield, we can slide/stretch/buzz to trips and we will High/Low single receivers or go one on one on the backside, our kids know weak and strong responsibilities so they can be interchangeable #425chat
A2) We have our call side and away side, FS makes the passing strength call, WS makes the away side call. If call side is into boundary we can play it straight or we a couple specific FIB checks. #425chat
Mainly to the field #425chat. I want to protect the field with the strength of my defense and in the boundry use the sideline and area as extra defender. ..
Base rule = * to the field. Most bodies defending the most grass. 2x2 = 1. To the field, 2. To the back, 3. Left, 4. Game Plan Specific (Sprint out tendency, prefer their sideline, big FIB team, etc.) #425chat
A2: if everything is even then field will dictate it unless we see on film they use the back to dictate passing or direction of running. Those will dictate where we put our guys #425chat
A2: Strength to multiple receiver side unless balanced, then the field. You'll always be even to the strong side, and unless it's empty have advantage on the weakside. #425chat
A2: just all depends on the tendencies that we get from the Off we are playing. Base rules 1) balanced speed, call pass strength to QB arm/wide side, 2) multiple speed call pass strength to that #425chat
Extended receivers > eligible receivers > best receivers>field...trips to boundary three is for a whirl...like formation vs field bc teams can run almost anything from anywhere #425chat
We teach coverage by what we like vs. 1, 2, or 3 WR sets and then which of those variables puts us at a disadvantage and what to check to.......#425chat
A2 cont: That being said, I'm a fan of setting front strength to field. That way, you're able to get your most athletic LB to cover the wide side, since I need my LBs to be sideline to sideline players. #425chat
Always set the Ni to the field, even vs FIB. Also carry a Fld & Bnd CB & Saf. This alleviates any issues w/ alignment (especially vs tempo). The only thing that needs to be said is the Mike needs to set the front (R/L) & Saf's call the coverage. #425chat
We dictate receivers from outside in and call the secondary strength according to number of receivers and formations. We also can go game to game with different plans. Maybe according to best receiver. #425chat
Formation first - I want the fs on the side with the most passing threats, if balanced, tend to go to field as default to have extra defender where there is more "space"; week to week, look at their tendacies for those formations and use that as the basis for the call #425chat
Divorced in the sense that the Ni doesn't always go to the front Str-goes to the field. Str call is based on formation adjustments & can be week to week depending on game plan. Change of strength motion? Only people that need to move are the int DL. LBs pull the chain. #425chat
Q1: How many coaches utilize a divorced strength call with your fronts and the 5 DBs in the back end? Why do you believe in how you do it? This will lead into our split field coverage questions #425chat
A3: we prefer a “match” coverage, it allows us to be in C2 or C4 based off reads and routes run by offense.. also allows aggressive run play with our safeties, but will use base C4 and C3 with heavy run teams #425chat
A3: read 2 quarters is day 1. Gets 9 in the box and adjusts to every formation. It is our go to into the boundary, weak overhang has freedom to pinch end in b gap if he is +ed out to far. #425chat
We are a base quarters team. We will read both sides of the coverage. The changes generally come with Trips/Trey and how we play and who we read. We will our DBs the choice to communicate and call man Pre-snap if they want(game plan adjustment). #425chat
A3: usually like playing a 42 concept. 4 to the str side & 2 read/Cloud/Sky to the wk side. 3x1, 3x2, & 4x1 have their specific coverages. Let the b/s safety call the 2 variation because it’s hard to get a tendency off a kid. Also, based on breakdown. #425chat
A4: we were cover 3, man, or 2 read a lot this year due to our athletes. If we could I wanted to go more combo coverages but we just weren't there yet. #425chat
A3)They have a menu they can call whatever coverage the feel best suits what they are seeing. I can lock a call but rarely do. We teach calls based on 1,2,3 WR, we do use different words for the read side and away side. Don’t want the away corner hearing the FS check #425chat
Lol.Yes I got too caught in doing read ALL the time. It’s a great foundation however different pers/formations take u out of itRead side can be palms, robber, any 3/1 spy. Away play man if u gotstud. Don’t play read exclusively. Teach it rep it first then go basic #425chat
A3: we are a palms/2 read to 2 removed. Quarters to TE and flanker. Mini to trips. On away side corner is Man on single. Weak Safety is what we call Hawk Player. Force weak side run. In pass be a ball hawk off intentions of QB or game plan rob somebody. #425chat
I write about this in my book (& it's all over my site) - you have to protect your cover down vs #RPO teams. Full cover down allows you to eliminate quick throws & you can dictate who gets the ball w/ line movement. Coverages are based on D&D & split rules. #425chat
A3: we play split...against 2 x 2 have 3 over 2 in sky coverage (read 4) to the field and playing cloud (read 2) into the boundary. This allows us to stay two high and cover down the slot to the field. #425chat
Lol.Yes I got too caught in doing read ALL the time. It’s a great foundation however different pers/formations take u out of itRead side can be palms, robber, any 3/1 spy. Away play man if u gotstud. Don’t play read exclusively. Teach it rep it first then go basic #425chat
2x2 Split Field Calls:
Read side: 5 (Robber), 4 (1/4s), 0 (Gator)
Away Side: Bronco (Palms), Buc (Tampa) Blue (2 man). All "B" calls for Boundary Coverage.
Prefer Robber so * is Outsode Leverage/Force and FS is Inside Leverage of #2/Alley. #425chat
Match coverage gives you the best of both worlds in that you close passing windows but can build a better wall 2 perimeter runs & @TCUCoachP has been great 2 is w/trips or motion adjustments 2 keep the integrity of the match in tact. #425chat
@CoachKelleyAHS Coach, just getting into this defense...do you use a SS and WS who switch or a RS and LS who don’t? I’ve seen designs with both, wondering what you recommend. Or just depends on kids? #425Chat
No. Teams won't live in FIB. Only time the Ni is asked to be the Mike is in 3x1. Dedicated a whole chapter in my book to FIB. #425chat | #ArtofX
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Yes however I ve found teaching the harder of the two and repping it first is the way to go. So have read as base however it may not be what we do the most #425chat
A3: played a 2 read concepts mostly, trips - play man one reciver (usually their main bubble or screen guy) and 2 read the other receivers - helps with screens and has you covered for 3 verts #425chat
I didn’t for 8 years!! Master Check FIB. This year I ran a call that Ni went to passing strength no matter but can put you in a bind if not in true split and S can put you in a good situation to field
Depends on kids, I would love to have right and left Safeties, but I have a SS that’s a true OLB type that I don’t want back see playing 2 read... #425chat
Cody, I agree to build a menu off the match concepts; you don’t want to be rigid w/match against TE/wg (we zone it) or wide FLK set where the TE is getting banged on & hard 2 read. We do the same. #425chat
Let the kids call it based on D&D or split rules (tight split/stack = auto Read). This allows both sides to get what they need, but can give a coverage check if I feel we need one. This way the DC signals in the call. One voice. Eyes on one guy. #425chat
Will do 1 of two things: give a sign for ‘combo’ and they will know that means one side is in one coverage and on is in another (determined during week) or I will signal in both (above waist/below waist) #425chat
A4: always let the FS call it in his side and the WS on his side. Gave the wrist bands that had the "options" per formation. We might tell them in between series to give them a specific look in the next series but always let them call it #425chat
Passing strength to formation, you can always roll or combo best wr in any position, with so many teams running to field I set front to the field #425Chat
A4) in base, everything is autocheck. We use one signaler. If we go with a cover 3 changeup, fire zone or void zone, coverage is built into call. Keep as many same as teaches. #425chat
I call both, most of the time the cov is check with me and when the offense lines up I’ll call the cov and when the qb looks over to get the call from their oc we may change too all based on film study. #425chat
A4: much of what we do is formation checks. If something particular is needed I will signal it in to the free. He will then relay it. Signals....usually turns into me yelling it! #425chat
A:4 We use hand signals and cards. We have one signaler who sends in all calls. Calls are simple and It keeps kids focused on one person all the time. #425Chat
A4: I will signal in the entire defense, but my DB coach stands about 5-10 yard up field and will mimic the coverage call to the DBs, if it is something specific such as a CB blitz he will also signal, DB coach only gives info specific to the backfield #425chat
A4: 1 coach. cuts down confusion. Usually have a 1 visual signal from the sideline that takes care of it all. Verbal signal can be grouped, ex: car manufacturers for 42 - dodge, Chevy, etc... #425chat
Only time Ni is the Mike is vs 10p Trips Op. Power teams make him the Will w/ a TE. Through gap exchange you can keep him outside. Even vs a Pwr/Ctr he's not asked to take on that much. Wk CTR = spilled to him/ Pwr he has cutback (inside shoulder of G). #425chat
A)4 We have one coach signaling across the board for 2 reasons: 1)we feel like it’s easiest for the DC 2 marry his blitz package 2 coverages & 2)we have so much safety accountability built into match concepts that they can “make us right”. #425chat
Agree Coach, we have some aggressive kids that want to play at 6yds, we will let them as long as they are on point with read and aggressiveness #425chat
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@yak1373, @Coach_Blaize, @CoachKelleyAHS
A4: I call the whole thing. I hold up a fist. That means base. Mike sets front with base rules. FS sets passing strength. FS looks at his picture and calls coverage. WS looks at his picture and calls coverage. Stunts go before fist. Cov tag after fist. #425chat ✊🏼
A4)Out read side and away side have differentnames for the same coverage. 2read: Read=Blue Away=2 Same call but if I want 1/4 1/4 1/3, Blue -4 Of course it all can be checked. #425chat
A4: first number is passing strength call, second number is weak side. All calls are based on 2 by sets, which account for 70% of alignments over the season. 3 by and empty adjustments are based on passing strength call. #425chat
It’s a game plan thing on what the safeties call the SS is responsible for the field FS responsible for the Boundary!! But if the FS calls Cov.1 then the SS has to go with it! #425chat
It's not that hard if you Fld/Bnd the personnel. Offensive formations are just numbers: 2x1, 3x1, 2x2... In Quarters the CBs have #1, OLBs/Saf's have #2, & Mike has #3. You can line up to anything. Just have rules for TE & H. Set the front & play. #425chat
A4: If the Defense is divorced, then I'd (if it were up to me) want my an LB or DL coach calling the front. On the back end (thanks to some sage wisdom yesterday) the DC/secondary coach would call the read side pre-huddle, and away side pre-snap. #425chat
Tempo offense has really called for this regardless of opinion. Kids love ownership & we spend a ton of time explaining the “why” behind the ✔️. It gives them confidence to go make plays when they know why they are running a certain coverage/✔️ #425chat
Im on the field. I will signal as well if needed but I prefer to have other guys do it so I can read calls & use our game plan notes, landmarks, sub packages, etc. #425chat
To me the best reason to run split field is for the teaching aspect. It gives the kids specific and exclusive reads. They know they’re job is important AND dependent on others. Increases football IQ. I learned so much from teaching it. #425chat
A5: as an off guy 1st thing i look at is how a d defends formations. Split cov give u more permutations/ looks which equates to uncertainty on offense #425chat
Cov 2 read base and expand from there with press, roll, invert,combo and disguise cov. but trying to limit offenses strength with our game plan #425chat
A5: I love split coverage vs RPO teams, especially if their pass option is to the field, it will be a quick pass and having a CB sit in the flat is always benifical and allows the hang backer to be aggressive for the run #425chat
A5)The obvious (& correct) answer is formation adjustment but the sneaky good reason is tendency recognition. The WS in the 425 gives you so much freedom depending on formation (ie: single WR: he can poach, bracket, roll down, or play over the top)-tendency assigns him. #425chat
A3. To the passing strength, we always played robber to keep it simple and most plays whether run or pass go there and it allowed back end to play downhill. On the away side, we played man if ball was in between goalposts, cover 2, if outside. #425chat
It allows you to look complex w/o overloading your kids. By staying split-field you can manipulate one side, but leave the other alone. In a 5 man pressure you can play games w/ the blitz side w/o spinning. Like it vs #AirRaid because you can naturally rob over routes. #425chat
2x2 is FS, 3x1 is WS. Must make that distinction pre-snap, because alignments will have to be adjusted depending on how the offense uses the RB in the passing game. #425chat
Think it gives a defense options. We usually will make ours based on opponent tendencies, splits, concepts, etc. "If/Then" style. Think it gives coaches and players options and can minimize times where an O knows they can put you in a box. #425chat
Q5: love it against spread teams and will stick with it for 5 man pressures. Will start to play man & spin the safeties for 6/7 man pressures. #425chat
He always matches/pushes w/ #3. Everything from alignment to strength calls helps create max cover downs. He has to in Read or Quarters, even single-high. By using gap exchange & structure he can relate. #425chat
A5: split field allows you to be flexible. Especially to single on the weak side. My WS might be down in the box force flat like c3. might double 1. Could poach 3. He may blitz edge. He might man 1 so corner can blitz. He might be post help deep middle. #425chat
A5: I feel they r good m any situation. Split coverages gives u the ability 2 disguise what you r doing. Makes Offense have 2 start guessing. IMO split cov = Defenses RPO. #425chat
