#IEedchat Archive
#IEedchat is a great way for Inland Empire (California) educators to share teaching strategies, educational resources, and more.
Monday October 24, 2016
10:30 PM EDT
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A0: Tom Ashley, Tech Coach/TOSA in the . My favorite emoji is π
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A0: Chris Lara 8th grade history teacher. π
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A0: Deatra Lee, Tech TOSA , π
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Jed
Tech TOSA / Math Geek
Fav emoji: π
Can be used in lots of ways
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Kali Tomlinson and I teach 8th grade Physical Science in Georgia. π
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I used to think this was super sad. Confused me when people used it.
Makes so much more sense now.
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Robert Guzman Tech Coach π
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A0: Tom Ashley, Tech Coach/TOSA in the . My favorite emoji is π
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Candace Reines, Asst Supt of Business
So many good emojis but the cats are my fav π
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We got lots of votes for π
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Q1 Point: Feedback should focus on the positive, because that encourages growth. Agree/Disagree and why?
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A1:Feedback should definitely focus on the positive, but T should not bend into contortions to validate the S. Their is a balance.
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A1:Feedback should definitely focus on the positive, but T should not bend into contortions to validate the S. Their is a balance.
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Trevor Rawlings. 8th grade english...I'll even tag it this time π¬
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A1: bringing in at least a little bit of positive flavor makes it taste sweeter. Hard to challenge/learn/grow w/ only sweet stuff.
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A1: Feedback should include the positive but also areas of focus for improvement.
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A1:Feedback should be constructive and provide students for a platform to better their ideas and work as well as being positive
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Welcome Trevor, glad to have you here.
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As my Italian friends say you need a little bitterness to balance you
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A1: Like to start w/strengths but as an Eng T got to revise revise revise- w/ classroom no more red pen at least
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Q1b Counterpoint: Some say that as quantity of pos. comments β¬, personal growth β¬ b/c reinforce status quo. Agree/Disagree, Why?
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A1: Feedback should be positive whenever possible but constructive criticism is ok too.
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Like that definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a diff result.
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A1: Harsh criticism too quickly discourages creativity. Yes, start with the positive to encourage growth
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A1: Feedback should be overall positive, but should also point out weak spots and areas for improvement.
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A1: Feedback should be specific help students achieve growth. Frame it in a way that does not shut down the learner.
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A1: agreed 1000% There's a way to be positive and at the same time let them know where they can grow without being negative
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A0: Amanda, instructional coach(math)....π€ 100% geek
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A0-Kathy from Upland. I teach to 9th grade students my favorite emoji is π€ because it looks really smart
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you and mentioned constructive. That has a positive tone. Maybe positive can at least be in tone.
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A0: Shane, Asst Dir of Tech with , late to the game tonight π
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A1B:D, positive comments can lead to growth if experiences are also increased in the learner, so that they can connect to content.
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Kathy is here.
Now it feels like home.
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yes! It is important for students to acknowledge that a first draft of anything is almost never perfect...
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A1b: It is about balance, only positive comments will not lead to personal growth, we grow when we learn from our 'mistakes'
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My students are really cool this year (nerdy/geeky is IN)
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I'm hearing people say positivity encourages people, but avoid sugar coating to keep people unaware of places worth growing in.
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A1: Disagree, feedback should focus on improvement. You can improve both what you do well and what you need to better.
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A1b: moderation is key. But that doesn't mean stop being positive. Find ways to be positively constructive
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Agree, I like to question all aspects of a Ss thought process in a socratic manner to deduce an answer
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A1b: Sort of agree - comments need to reflect reality. Self-esteem needs to be calibrated to that!
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So direct.
What can be done with those that shrink up when ANY criticism is shared?
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I think much of this works with adults too. Teachers or other administrators.
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A1B even flowers need to experience a a rain cloud...it is how they grow.
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A1- many of my Ss do not read the feedback- they (and their parents) only want to know why they didnt get 100% for completing it
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Q2: Point: Feedback needs to be immediate, otherwise it is useless. Agree/Disagree, Why?
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agree we have to change the negative thinking to growth mindset- its a new dayand I like it https://t.co/hAbg0KB5R0
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I'm hearing people say positivity encourages people, but avoid sugar coating to keep people unaware of places worth growing in.
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Q2b Counterpoint: Depth is more important than timing. We don't want mindless actions without perspective. Agree/Disagree, Why?
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learn to identify their needs and frame criticism differently.
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Learning new things can be stressful. Be careful with the words you use.
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Whenever possible feedback should be immediate so course correction can be made. Technology makes this easier than in the past.
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A2- It is less useful when it takes a long time to give the feedback- but even so- its not helpful if they do not read it
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A2:D, doesn't need to be immediate, but it has to be made. Letting a Ss fail on a project is a good learning experience sometimes
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I feel you - close to grading period https://t.co/yz9WGxHZHk
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A1- many of my Ss do not read the feedback- they (and their parents) only want to know why they didnt get 100% for completing it
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A2: immediacy is good, but not if it makes the feedback get garbled or message gets lost. Good value feedback can take time.
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A2:Feedback needs to be as immediate as possible.Ss are accustomed to being patient.Many Ts need to step it up.I know,I was there.
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A2 giving the feedback that I would like and the time frame I would like to do it in doesn't exist.
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A2 I wouldn't say late feedback becomes useless but definitely immediate feedback is best. everything is still fresh on the mind
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I think I get the reasoning,
But I want to hear and why do we think feedback needs to be immediate? https://t.co/5OhLhgIvvA
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A2- It is less useful when it takes a long time to give the feedback- but even so- its not helpful if they do not read it
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A1b: D, but need to make sure that Ss know how to use critical feedback. rather than I'm bad, Ss think "this will make me better"
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A2: It depends...but I think Ss learn when they struggle and think their way through
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A2: Feedback needs to be as immediate as possible. Ss are accustomed to being too patient.
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A2b: Thinking of adults here, better to have deep thoughtful convos especially if major missteps occur.
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A2: Feedback can occur during or after learning. In both cases feedback needs to provide strategies to help students improve.
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Q3 Point: Good feedback takes too long. Don't expect it from overworked teachers, coaches, admin, parents. Agree/Disagree, Why?
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Adults too.
As we try to help each other grow we need to be able to be honest.
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A2b- DEPTH is important! I use a rubric on the most important assignments to help Ss frame their work. It guides Ss reach/stretch
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A2: the more immediate the better of course, wish I could say it always went that way
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That's where I lean too. Just worried if we rush, do we do a disservice toward long term learning.
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A2b: certain feedback requires time to give while other feedback can be given immediately. Be aware of what's needed
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Q2: A mostly. Sometimes, Ss need distance from their work to see what mistakes they made.
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A3: This cannot be an accepted excuse. Think of the long game with students and even feedback for staff.
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A1: Disagree. Positive and constructive feedback are both important. Mistakes are part of learning
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A2: Disagree, there is value (sometime more value) in reflecting after time has passed.
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A3: D, as long as the feedback is given then the Ss will learn. I would say the majority of T's will still give good feedback.
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Interesting point.
Sometimes reflection needs space to really gain perspective.
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sure are, can't learn w/o mistakes. Well put.
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Yes- they have sometimes moved on mentally-but I canβt always get feedback done in a timely manner-
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A3: Disagree, feedback is one of the most important aspects of teaching, quicker with technology too
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A2: Agree- Immediate feedback is useful for students; however we are not robots first year on SBG and see benefits of Standards
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A2: love Google Classroom comments/revision- would love if more Ss followedup- gladly give more credit- what it is all about!
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Q3b: Counterpoint: Technology makes feedback more efficient for all, no more excuses about time. Agree/Disagree, Why?
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A3:Good feedback CAN take long.Essays & research need careful evaluation.Ts that assign these need to be given room to do it right
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A3: Don't buy the excuse that (insert strategy here) takes too long.If it's the right thing, it does not matter how long it takes.
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A3: disagree.Those who care & are invested in ur future will find time regardless of how busy. I've been lucky enough to see that
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yeah...what he said. https://t.co/VF1GrBmPYY
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A3: disagree.Those who care & are invested in ur future will find time regardless of how busy. I've been lucky enough to see that
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A3 and A3b:
For quick feedback - I prefer to see Ss do peer review & check own work.
(1/2)
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now that's just sad π’ https://t.co/MG8PqUwj3o
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Q3 Point: Good feedback takes too long. Don't expect it from overworked teachers, coaches, admin, parents. Agree/Disagree, Why?
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A3b: disagree. Even with tech if something needs a lot of time dedicated to it for feedback then so be it
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Any final thoughts on feedback?
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Tech does help even long developed feedback to be efficient
Love what I see from & others using tools like
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yes https://t.co/sPbOnDR3yK
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A3: Disagree, feedback is one of the most important aspects of teaching, quicker with technology too
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A3B:D,Tech allows for a spdr rpse, but might not be best response.Some instances allowing time to pass can allow for better growth
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A3b: Tech is a great tool for feedback but sometimes it should be face-to-face, either way no excuses
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Q3b: Technology is a force multiplier. But don't let technology get in the way of your humanity.
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A3 i would π to say that im gr8 a
bout feedback but Im not. Im learning 2 use tech 4 the smaller things so I can focus on big pic
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FT:
Check out this article on feedback:
https://t.co/2jRu5zEgGx
Presents good balance like many tweeps mentioned tonight.
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I agree, sometimes we need to be human and also keep some empathy in mind for the Ss
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A3b Tech makes simple things easier, but writing needs focus with quiet around me- just not happening enough.
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What are some tools you all use for feedback with tech?
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Thanks for joining ! Next week our topic will be on nightmares & frights in education.
questions sent out by Wed 10/26
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FT, Feedback is good and at times it can be quicker than others. But let's remember that the learning is the most important
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Check in with my friend on this.
He's done whole workshops on it.
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Wow- I just said much the same thing⦠https://t.co/okHI4TNQZK
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A3 i would π to say that im gr8 a
bout feedback but Im not. Im learning 2 use tech 4 the smaller things so I can focus on big pic
