#ditchbook Archive
#DITCHbook was created by Ditch That Textbook author Matt Miller. The chat focuses on innovative teaching ideas and disrupting standard textbook education.
Thursday March 3, 2016
10:00 PM EST
SEANJFAHEY
Mar 3 @ 10:00 PM EST
@ShelbyHoff15
glad to have you join us...wish I knew about
#ditchbook
when I was an elementary major!
sandyrotto
Mar 3 @ 10:00 PM EST
It's time,
#ditchbook
The chat starts right now.
#tlap
@jmattmiller
@burgessdave
#sblchat
#sstlap
@RESP3CTtheGAME
https://t.co/izyTAqLuK7
kristijacobs16
Mar 3 @ 10:00 PM EST
Kristi, Bozeman, Montana 3rd grade,
#ditchbook
MsScott3grade
Mar 3 @ 10:01 PM EST
Kaitlyn, 3 grade math/science teacher, Alabama!
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TTmomTT
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:01 PM EST
Mandi from MO, HS Math teacher
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RemScience
Mar 3 @ 10:01 PM EST
#DitchBook
Back this week! Simultaneously overseeing my 3rd grader w/ vocab poster HW
https://t.co/eAuHPlrdoo
LachapelleB
Mar 3 @ 10:01 PM EST
Hello
#ditchbook
! Bryan from Alberta - jr.high here!
emosier3
Mar 3 @ 10:01 PM EST
Evan Mosier, Tech Integrationist Lead & 6th Grade LA teacher, Davenport, IA.
#ditchbook
jmattmiller
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:01 PM EST
Hey
#DitchBook
! Matt here. Super excited that
@sandyrotto
@RESP3CTtheGAME
are moderating tonight. This will be great!
lesliewind1
Mar 3 @ 10:01 PM EST
Hi Leslie here, currently a technology trainer in Hillsborough Co Fla
#ditchbook
Ajarn_Adam
Mar 3 @ 10:01 PM EST
@sandyrotto
@jmattmiller
@burgessdave
@RESP3CTtheGAME
Hi Sandy, looking forward to this :)
#DitchBook
jmattmiller
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:02 PM EST
@kristijacobs16
Hi Kristi!
#ditchbook
RESP3CTtheGAME
Mar 3 @ 10:02 PM EST
Good evening
#ditchbook
crew! Brian, HS Comm Arts in WI. Honored to moderate w
@sandyrotto
tonight
@jmattmiller
jmattmiller
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:02 PM EST
@MsScott3grade
Glad you're here Kaitlynn!
#ditchbook
WonderToWisdom
Mar 3 @ 10:02 PM EST
Jess - gifted specialist in Chicago 'burbs.
#DitchBook
Chucktaft
Mar 3 @ 10:02 PM EST
#ditchbook
Milrockee WI, MS history guy, I also help run this
#usmspark
thing that
@jmattmiller
,
@RESP3CTtheGAME
,
@sandyrotto
will rock
kaleistern
Mar 3 @ 10:02 PM EST
Hi
#ditchbook
peeps! Kalei Stern, 7th grade ELA teacher at Mid-Pacific in Honolulu
Ajarn_Adam
Mar 3 @ 10:02 PM EST
Hi, Adam here, HS Bio teacher in Bangkok
#DitchBook
JoyZanger
Mar 3 @ 10:02 PM EST
Hi! Joy from Illinois. 8th grade ELA. This is my first
#ditchbook
chat!
tammy_embry
Mar 3 @ 10:02 PM EST
Tammy Embry, Instructional technology facilitator, Alabama
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SEANJFAHEY
Mar 3 @ 10:02 PM EST
Sean - 4th grade Teacher from Indiana
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LisaGuardino
Mar 3 @ 10:02 PM EST
Lisa Rescue Union SD (Northern Ca) teacher & TOSA Happy Thursday
#ditchbook
jmattmiller
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:02 PM EST
@LachapelleB
Welcome Bryan!
#ditchbook
RESP3CTtheGAME
Mar 3 @ 10:02 PM EST
@lesliewind1
Hi Leslie! Thanks for joining
#ditchbook
tonight!
MsScott3grade
Mar 3 @ 10:02 PM EST
@tammy_embry
Roll Tide =)
#ditchbook
Elizabeth_Bitt
Mar 3 @ 10:02 PM EST
Hello. Liz Bitterman here. I am a education major, college student. Madison, SD
#ditchbook
jmattmiller
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:03 PM EST
@Ajarn_Adam
@sandyrotto
@burgessdave
@RESP3CTtheGAME
Me too!
#ditchbook
TTmomTT
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:03 PM EST
@sandyrotto
Feels like we just chatted last night. Wait, we did! :-)
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MistyMitchellm
Mar 3 @ 10:03 PM EST
ššš
#ditchbook
https://t.co/OBC2Pb3RAh
BrianJurinek
Mar 3 @ 10:03 PM EST
Brian, Middle School Instructional Coach, IL
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jmattmiller
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:03 PM EST
@RESP3CTtheGAME
@sandyrotto
The honor is all ours!
#ditchbook
rossvittore
Mar 3 @ 10:03 PM EST
Ross Vittore, Director of Innovative Learning in
@ccsd59
outside of Chicago.
#ditchbook
LachapelleB
Mar 3 @ 10:03 PM EST
@jmattmiller
Thanks very much!
#ditchbook
RESP3CTtheGAME
Mar 3 @ 10:03 PM EST
@Elizabeth_Bitt
Hi Liz! Welcome to tonight's
#ditchbook
Robinson_RME
Mar 3 @ 10:03 PM EST
Hi there. Sara here. I teach 2nd grade in Andover, Ks.
#ditchbook
#smokesnerds
LachapelleB
Mar 3 @ 10:03 PM EST
@sandyrotto
Hello! How are ya?
#ditchbook
AJBianco
Mar 3 @ 10:03 PM EST
Hi everyone... AJ here... 7/8 grade social studies from New Jersey! Love
#ditchbook
and can't wait for this discussion tonight
lesliewind1
Mar 3 @ 10:04 PM EST
@JoyZanger
me too! I'm excited to learn more!š
#ditchbook
JBucci19
Mar 3 @ 10:04 PM EST
Hi
#ditchbook
! I'm Jordan, a student from Grove City College in Pennsylvania, a Middle Level Math/English Education Major.
MsVenturino
Mar 3 @ 10:04 PM EST
Hi
#ditchbook
, Iām Mari from San Diego. Excited to join in this convo tonight.
jmattmiller
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:04 PM EST
If you can make it to Milwaukee (or Milrockee!) this one's worth it.
#usmspark
#ditchbook
https://t.co/E2ONrdnQTB
Chucktaft
Mar 3 @ 10:02 PM EST
#ditchbook
Milrockee WI, MS history guy, I also help run this
#usmspark
thing that
@jmattmiller
,
@RESP3CTtheGAME
,
@sandyrotto
will rock
menxueiro
Mar 3 @ 10:04 PM EST
Hey
#ditchbook
friends! Sandra, principal from Houston, TX
https://t.co/o8xK126o7F
MsScott3grade
Mar 3 @ 10:04 PM EST
@RemScience
I'm enterprise city and LOVE IT!
#ditchbook
#ECSlearn
LachapelleB
Mar 3 @ 10:04 PM EST
It is awesome to see so many students getting into education chats!
#ditchbook
MaryLindseyELA
Mar 3 @ 10:04 PM EST
Hey there! I'm Mary; I teach English 10 & 12 at Mountain House High School in California.
#ditchbook
dr_riina
Mar 3 @ 10:04 PM EST
Dr. Riina ELA teacher & PD Leader learning to chat
#ditchbook
RESP3CTtheGAME
Mar 3 @ 10:05 PM EST
@AJBianco
Thanks for joining
#ditchbook
tonight!
LisaGuardino
Mar 3 @ 10:05 PM EST
Maria is beautiful, Misty! I will look up PTLS
#ditchbook
https://t.co/ee8Nu8Hg6L
MistyMitchellm
Mar 3 @ 10:03 PM EST
ššš
#ditchbook
https://t.co/OBC2Pb3RAh
jmattmiller
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:05 PM EST
@rossvittore
@ccsd59
Glad to see you Ross!
#DitchBook
RESP3CTtheGAME
Mar 3 @ 10:05 PM EST
@dr_riina
Keep leading the way! Welcome to
#ditchbook
jmattmiller
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:05 PM EST
Hey,
#smokesnerds
! Ok,
#ditchbook
, Sara is LEGIT!
https://t.co/yNLYlUFtmI
Robinson_RME
Mar 3 @ 10:03 PM EST
Hi there. Sara here. I teach 2nd grade in Andover, Ks.
#ditchbook
#smokesnerds
sandyrotto
Mar 3 @ 10:06 PM EST
Q1 asks what might cause Ts to hesitate when it comes to stu self-assessment.
#ditchbook
@RESP3CTtheGAME
#sblchat
https://t.co/EPYdJAA2zZ
LKFrank5
Mar 3 @ 10:06 PM EST
St. Louis, MO 5th grade teacher
#ditchbook
jmattmiller
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:06 PM EST
@AJBianco
AJ! Glad you joined!
#ditchbook
MsScott3grade
Mar 3 @ 10:06 PM EST
A1- That Ss aren't being honest w/ themselves or me, worried about how other Ss see them.
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SEANJFAHEY
Mar 3 @ 10:06 PM EST
I love the fact that we are getting Ed majors in college participating in
#ditchbook
@jmattmiller
https://t.co/a0GDEdqtEv
JBucci19
Mar 3 @ 10:04 PM EST
Hi
#ditchbook
! I'm Jordan, a student from Grove City College in Pennsylvania, a Middle Level Math/English Education Major.
jmattmiller
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:06 PM EST
@MsVenturino
Hey Mari! A real
#ditchbook
#eduroadtrip
connection!
JoyZanger
Mar 3 @ 10:06 PM EST
A1-Ts may b reluctant to giving up control. Also Ts may worry about authentic evaluations
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Elizabeth_Bitt
Mar 3 @ 10:07 PM EST
Ts may hesitate to have Ss self-assess because students may not always be honest because they want a good grade.
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AJBianco
Mar 3 @ 10:07 PM EST
A1: Ts fear honesty of Sts and they fear a lack of control! Giving too much power to sts could be harmful to the environment.
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WonderToWisdom
Mar 3 @ 10:07 PM EST
A1 - Time. One more thing to fit in.
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MsVenturino
Mar 3 @ 10:07 PM EST
A1: Ss need to know how to accurately rate themselves, and need lots of practice. I need to model the process for them.
#ditchbook
jmattmiller
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:07 PM EST
@menxueiro
Awesome!
#ditchbook
emosier3
Mar 3 @ 10:07 PM EST
A1: Fear of self-assessing correctly. Ss may not know exactly what to look for when they self-assess.
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TTmomTT
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:07 PM EST
A1: Some may feel Ss won't assess themselves at the appropriate level. Many times they are harder on themselves.
#ditchbook
RESP3CTtheGAME
Mar 3 @ 10:07 PM EST
@MsVenturino
Thanks for joining
#ditchbook
tonight!
MsVenturino
Mar 3 @ 10:07 PM EST
@jmattmiller
Only the best! Too bad
@Mr_B_Teacher
and
@Gregbagby
arenāt here too!
#ditchbook
#eduroadtrip
LachapelleB
Mar 3 @ 10:07 PM EST
It would have been great to do these chats while in university!
#ditchbook
https://t.co/uGSxi5eeXC
SEANJFAHEY
Mar 3 @ 10:06 PM EST
I love the fact that we are getting Ed majors in college participating in
#ditchbook
@jmattmiller
https://t.co/a0GDEdqtEv
JBucci19
Mar 3 @ 10:04 PM EST
Hi
#ditchbook
! I'm Jordan, a student from Grove City College in Pennsylvania, a Middle Level Math/English Education Major.
menxueiro
Mar 3 @ 10:07 PM EST
A1: Cheating? Fear of losing control?
#ditchbook
https://t.co/QRtsZUqHb5
sandyrotto
Mar 3 @ 10:06 PM EST
Q1 asks what might cause Ts to hesitate when it comes to stu self-assessment.
#ditchbook
@RESP3CTtheGAME
#sblchat
https://t.co/EPYdJAA2zZ
briandurgin
Mar 3 @ 10:07 PM EST
A1: Ss might be off task, not assess honestly, or take it seriously.
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dr_riina
Mar 3 @ 10:07 PM EST
Accuracy is my biggest concern in student self-assessment
#ditchbook
rachelmarker
Mar 3 @ 10:07 PM EST
Hello
#ditchbook
! Joining late. Rachel, instructional coach, Bozeman, MT.
kristijacobs16
Mar 3 @ 10:07 PM EST
Absolutely
#ditchbook
https://t.co/wjlxBC70Nm
WonderToWisdom
Mar 3 @ 10:07 PM EST
A1 - Time. One more thing to fit in.
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LisaGuardino
Mar 3 @ 10:07 PM EST
A1: The accuracy of the assessment, the time, the training involved
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LachapelleB
Mar 3 @ 10:08 PM EST
A1 - Students have a hard time self assessing. Can be a challenge to get started. Some Ts might hesitate because of that.
#ditchbook
BrianJurinek
Mar 3 @ 10:08 PM EST
A1: I agree that many fear if the Ss are assessing correctly, but many Ts feel like it's their role to assess Ss
#ditchbook
Robinson_RME
Mar 3 @ 10:08 PM EST
A1 Teacher control, we all have it!! And Ss admitting to their work being not the top notch...
#ditchbook
MsVenturino
Mar 3 @ 10:08 PM EST
@WonderToWisdom
I agree. Iāve started to use it, and itās so useful for Ss. I have them self-asses, peer-asses, fix, then submit
#ditchbook
RESP3CTtheGAME
Mar 3 @ 10:08 PM EST
@TTmomTT
Great convo starter when Ss are harder on themselves than the teacher is
#ditchbook
Ajarn_Adam
Mar 3 @ 10:08 PM EST
A1 May get pushback from Ps / admins, if they see self-assessment as Ts abdicating responsibility
#DitchBook
lesliewind1
Mar 3 @ 10:08 PM EST
A1 students not being authentic in their self assessment, "my work is an A of course"
#ditchbook
zonie71
Mar 3 @ 10:08 PM EST
Krista, 5th Grade Teacher in SE Michigan joining in a little late
#ditchbook
jmattmiller
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:08 PM EST
@SEANJFAHEY
@JBucci19
Me too. What better way to start your edu-career, right?
#ditchbook
sandyrotto
Mar 3 @ 10:08 PM EST
@MsScott3grade
Yes, the peer approval need is high. So hard to be their real selves. We need to make a safe place.
#ditchbook
mrterborg
Mar 3 @ 10:08 PM EST
@MsScott3grade
Start with trust, build a safe community. Set high standards. Students will come together. Will take time.
#ditchbook
Chucktaft
Mar 3 @ 10:08 PM EST
A1
#ditchbook
one challenge - Ss that are too self critical or too lackadaisical in their assessment - many find objectivity to be difficult
JBucci19
Mar 3 @ 10:08 PM EST
Ss may not be getting the info they need to know or may only test themselves on what they know to get a good grade.
#ditchbook
MaryLindseyELA
Mar 3 @ 10:08 PM EST
Hey, I'm Mary! I teach English 10&12 t Mountain House HS in CA. 1st yr teacher interested in blended learning & gamification
#ditchbook
rachelmarker
Mar 3 @ 10:09 PM EST
A1: Loss of instruc minutes, unsure how, what Qs to ask, giving over "control"
#ditchbook
RemScience
Mar 3 @ 10:09 PM EST
A1: Ss giving themselves too little credit. Some may go other direction but too little hard on selves more likely.
#DitchBook
jmattmiller
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:09 PM EST
@AJBianco
You're right, AJ. Sometimes we fear what students will say if honest.
#ditchbook
SEANJFAHEY
Mar 3 @ 10:09 PM EST
A1 for me it's teaching the Ss the process and self awareness that is needed. Very difficult for some younger Ss
#ditchbook
Chucktaft
Mar 3 @ 10:09 PM EST
@RESP3CTtheGAME
@TTmomTT
agreed ... unless it persists throughout the year
#ditchbook
mrterborg
Mar 3 @ 10:09 PM EST
@menxueiro
Fear. Cheating not so much. We've all experienced those difficult open book exams .
#ditchbook
MaryLindseyELA
Mar 3 @ 10:09 PM EST
Hey, I'm Mary! I teach English 10&12 at Mountain House HS in CA. 1st yr teacher interested in blended learning & gamification
#ditchbook
tammy_embry
Mar 3 @ 10:09 PM EST
Will true purpose of self assessment be used by Ss? Or will they just use to enhance grades?
#ditchbook
https://t.co/Bsa4SguHn4
sandyrotto
Mar 3 @ 10:06 PM EST
Q1 asks what might cause Ts to hesitate when it comes to stu self-assessment.
#ditchbook
@RESP3CTtheGAME
#sblchat
https://t.co/EPYdJAA2zZ
AnnaHarrisR
Mar 3 @ 10:09 PM EST
Hi! Anna from CO. Outdoor environmental educator of mixed aged Ss
#ditchbook
mrterborg
Mar 3 @ 10:09 PM EST
@TTmomTT
There's a rubric for that. .
#ditchbook
AJBianco
Mar 3 @ 10:09 PM EST
@jmattmiller
We need that feedback though... How else do WE learn what works vs what doesn't work for our sts and their passions?
#ditchbook
MistyMitchellm
Mar 3 @ 10:09 PM EST
A1: sometimes Ss don't understand how/what to asses.
#ditchbook
kaleistern
Mar 3 @ 10:10 PM EST
A1 I fear Ss won't take self assessment seriously. But that hasn't been the case for a majority of Ss whenever they do!
#ditchbook
MsVenturino
Mar 3 @ 10:10 PM EST
@BrianJurinek
May be my role, but Iām not teaching my Ss anything if I do for them. Iām having a hard time with implementation
#ditchbook
mrkirkbride351
Mar 3 @ 10:10 PM EST
@mrdeniston
@LakesBooth
Check these out!
#ditchbook
#flexiblespaces
https://t.co/Sw7iTin9Gf
pluggedportable
Mar 3 @ 9:57 PM EST
Fluid learning spaces, no teacher desks, and no carbon footprint at Richard J Lee.
@NetZeroLee
https://t.co/3aBu1oUOVG
sandyrotto
Mar 3 @ 10:10 PM EST
@Elizabeth_Bitt
True. Either they are too humble or too boastful. We just need to help them be honest and reflective.
#ditchbook
menxueiro
Mar 3 @ 10:10 PM EST
Right. I just can't seem to find a valid reason...
#ditchbook
https://t.co/8DmCuimsvy
mrterborg
Mar 3 @ 10:09 PM EST
@menxueiro
Fear. Cheating not so much. We've all experienced those difficult open book exams .
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jmattmiller
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:10 PM EST
A1: even if we see value in self assessment, I think we may fear doing it wrong. Fear of failure/wasted time/looking foolish.
#ditchbook
TTmomTT
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:10 PM EST
@Chucktaft
@RESP3CTtheGAME
Ss need to be guided through the process. Show them how and set the goal as improvement.
#ditchbook
rachelmarker
Mar 3 @ 10:10 PM EST
@Elizabeth_Bitt
True. Good opportunity for Ts to help Ss learn how to reflect.
#ditchbook
Ajarn_Adam
Mar 3 @ 10:10 PM EST
@WonderToWisdom
Yes, I think this is a concern
#DitchBook
mrterborg
Mar 3 @ 10:10 PM EST
@AJBianco
Who's environment? The Ts or the Ss? Authentic learning and S focusing Q&As rock.
#ditchbook
MsVenturino
Mar 3 @ 10:10 PM EST
@Ajarn_Adam
Interesting, not sure how our Ps would react, but my As love it
#ditchbook
SEANJFAHEY
Mar 3 @ 10:10 PM EST
Yeah your here!
#ditchbook
https://t.co/Ai5gVblg0b
rachelmarker
Mar 3 @ 10:07 PM EST
Hello
#ditchbook
! Joining late. Rachel, instructional coach, Bozeman, MT.
JBucci19
Mar 3 @ 10:10 PM EST
@jmattmiller
@SEANJFAHEY
yes I'm so excited to learn more about tech integrated in the class! thanks for the encouragement
#ditchbook
BrianJurinek
Mar 3 @ 10:10 PM EST
If students are taught how to self assess and provide feedback to their peers, it can empower them in the learning process
#ditchbook
RESP3CTtheGAME
Mar 3 @ 10:10 PM EST
Very true. Hopefully, we can shift the focus to learning.
#ditchbook
https://t.co/91oZc0nMBJ
JBucci19
Mar 3 @ 10:08 PM EST
Ss may not be getting the info they need to know or may only test themselves on what they know to get a good grade.
#ditchbook
lesliewind1
Mar 3 @ 10:10 PM EST
@MsScott3grade
yes! Fear of how they will be viewed by others, so true
#ditchbook
jmattmiller
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:10 PM EST
@rachelmarker
Hey Rachel!
#ditchbook
LachapelleB
Mar 3 @ 10:10 PM EST
Assessing yourself is difficult. Even as an adult.
#ditchbook
https://t.co/K3fIMON3hc
MistyMitchellm
Mar 3 @ 10:09 PM EST
A1: sometimes Ss don't understand how/what to asses.
#ditchbook
rachelmarker
Mar 3 @ 10:11 PM EST
@MsVenturino
Yes, such a good point. Ss need self-assmt modeled and much practice to learn this skill!
#ditchbook
MsVenturino
Mar 3 @ 10:11 PM EST
@MaryLindseyELA
Hey there! I do both blended learning & gamification. Still learning, but love it.
#ditchbook
AJBianco
Mar 3 @ 10:11 PM EST
@TTmomTT
@Chucktaft
@RESP3CTtheGAME
YES! We can't just put it in their hands and wish them Best of luck! We need to educate them
#ditchbook
BrianJurinek
Mar 3 @ 10:11 PM EST
@MsVenturino
I agree 100%, the person doing is the person learning! I was speaking more to traditional views.
#ditchbook
mrterborg
Mar 3 @ 10:11 PM EST
.
#ditchbook
Mike from MD. Hanging for a few before either getting sucked in here or sucked in to a pumpkin.
jmattmiller
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:11 PM EST
Right. We wonder, is his worth the acclimation time?
#DitchBook
.
https://t.co/YMGmrLAN1Z
LachapelleB
Mar 3 @ 10:08 PM EST
A1 - Students have a hard time self assessing. Can be a challenge to get started. Some Ts might hesitate because of that.
#ditchbook
Chucktaft
Mar 3 @ 10:11 PM EST
@Chucktaft
absolutely - that's the ideal I am trying to meet!
#ditchbook
JBucci19
Mar 3 @ 10:11 PM EST
Yes sometimes the teachers are easier on the students than they are on themselves! Great point
#ditchbook
https://t.co/SDjyKdhDko
RESP3CTtheGAME
Mar 3 @ 10:08 PM EST
@TTmomTT
Great convo starter when Ss are harder on themselves than the teacher is
#ditchbook
MsScott3grade
Mar 3 @ 10:11 PM EST
@mrterborg
Let me know how the pumpkin is =P
#ditchbook
rachelmarker
Mar 3 @ 10:12 PM EST
@jmattmiller
@SEANJFAHEY
@sandyrotto
@KarlyMoura
Hiya! So glad I made it!
#ditchbook
RESP3CTtheGAME
Mar 3 @ 10:12 PM EST
Teacher modeling, guidance, and transparency is crucial for Ss to effectively self-assess
#ditchbook
https://t.co/lpFYIT0lbl
MsVenturino
Mar 3 @ 10:07 PM EST
A1: Ss need to know how to accurately rate themselves, and need lots of practice. I need to model the process for them.
#ditchbook
MsVenturino
Mar 3 @ 10:12 PM EST
@BrianJurinek
Completely agree! Hard to break the traditional views when thatās how we learned
#ditchbook
menxueiro
Mar 3 @ 10:12 PM EST
Agreed! And we might feel guilty...
#ditchbook
https://t.co/W0tQDKHvOh
LachapelleB
Mar 3 @ 10:10 PM EST
Assessing yourself is difficult. Even as an adult.
#ditchbook
https://t.co/K3fIMON3hc
MistyMitchellm
Mar 3 @ 10:09 PM EST
A1: sometimes Ss don't understand how/what to asses.
#ditchbook
tammy_embry
Mar 3 @ 10:12 PM EST
@TTmomTT
Yes, teachers have to TEACH self-assessment. Students need to understand purpose.
#ditchbook
MistyMitchellm
Mar 3 @ 10:12 PM EST
@LachapelleB
true many think they r doing well at something because they have limited knowledge of it.
#ditchbook
KarinHogen
Mar 3 @ 10:12 PM EST
Karin joining late. Just made assignment for Ss playing text-based games to analyze fiction characteristics! I'm excited!
#ditchbook
AJBianco
Mar 3 @ 10:12 PM EST
@mrterborg
I meant the teachers environment. I hate that teachers don't allow their students step up and take risks. Learn/Try it
#ditchbook
jmattmiller
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:12 PM EST
Right! If that's our job and we aren't doing it, we might wonder what that says about us.
#DitchBook
https://t.co/lwvQLEOIHr
BrianJurinek
Mar 3 @ 10:08 PM EST
A1: I agree that many fear if the Ss are assessing correctly, but many Ts feel like it's their role to assess Ss
#ditchbook
gphilhower
Mar 3 @ 10:12 PM EST
A1: When students own and assess their learning there may be a fear of losing control.
#ditchbook
rossvittore
Mar 3 @ 10:12 PM EST
A1: If the emphasis is on GRADES, fears are that Ss will cheat. When the emphasis on LEARNINGā¦there is nothing to fear at all.
#ditchbook
mrterborg
Mar 3 @ 10:12 PM EST
@menxueiro
Here: Create an authentic learning experience. Children need more experience learning to critique one's own learning
#ditchbook
LachapelleB
Mar 3 @ 10:12 PM EST
It is a valuable skill to learn but not a skill that comes easily or quickly.
#ditchbook
https://t.co/IdLxH9Z24a
jmattmiller
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:11 PM EST
Right. We wonder, is his worth the acclimation time?
#DitchBook
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LachapelleB
Mar 3 @ 10:08 PM EST
A1 - Students have a hard time self assessing. Can be a challenge to get started. Some Ts might hesitate because of that.
#ditchbook
LisaGuardino
Mar 3 @ 10:13 PM EST
What a val skill to have if we took the time to do it right? The ownership & accountability wud increase!
#ditchbook
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rachelmarker
Mar 3 @ 10:11 PM EST
@MsVenturino
Yes, such a good point. Ss need self-assmt modeled and much practice to learn this skill!
#ditchbook
sandyrotto
Mar 3 @ 10:13 PM EST
Q2 looks at what makes student self-assessment so valuable.
#ditchbook
#sblchat
@jmattmiller
@RESP3CTtheGAME
#tlap
https://t.co/SVTMx2aFXA
TTmomTT
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:13 PM EST
Well said!
#ditchbook
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rossvittore
Mar 3 @ 10:12 PM EST
A1: If the emphasis is on GRADES, fears are that Ss will cheat. When the emphasis on LEARNINGā¦there is nothing to fear at all.
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LachapelleB
Mar 3 @ 10:13 PM EST
@MistyMitchellm
Or they are far too hard on themselves and it gets discouraging.
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jmattmiller
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:13 PM EST
@zonie71
hey friend! Good to see you AGAIN! :)
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Chucktaft
Mar 3 @ 10:13 PM EST
Every time I think I know it all, I check out waht
@RESP3CTtheGAME
says and realize I still have a lot to learn
#ditchbook
mrterborg
Mar 3 @ 10:13 PM EST
@AJBianco
I figured but thought I'd push it. Let them. Let them fail. Safely.
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MsVenturino
Mar 3 @ 10:13 PM EST
@dr_riina
@BrianJurinek
Very! Mostly now because Iām still struggling with it. Practice for all of us!
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KarinHogen
Mar 3 @ 10:13 PM EST
A1: I'm at an IB school and our Ss have to self-assess constantly in every class. Takes a while to learn, but it works!
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kristijacobs16
Mar 3 @ 10:13 PM EST
That ability to reflect on what they have done and improve the next time
#growthmindset
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AJBianco
Mar 3 @ 10:13 PM EST
@mrterborg
Yes... I have the picture of "What success Looks Like" on my wall so they see that it's not easy.
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TTmomTT
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:14 PM EST
A2: To be learners, Ss must be able to self-assess. You can't learn if you don't know what you still need to learn.
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LachapelleB
Mar 3 @ 10:14 PM EST
A2 - I believe in the power of reflection. Self-assessment gets them thinking and reflecting. Helps them understand themselves.
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Chucktaft
Mar 3 @ 10:14 PM EST
A2
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metacognition, maturity, focus on learning and growth instead of the letter - exactly what I love about learning
AnnaHarrisR
Mar 3 @ 10:14 PM EST
A1. Fear that Ss rely too much on praise from Ts and would be uncomfortable w self assessment. Good to get Ss out of comfort zone
#ditchbook
LisaGuardino
Mar 3 @ 10:14 PM EST
Sounds fantastic, Karin!
#ditchbook
https://t.co/DvTygJZnSu
KarinHogen
Mar 3 @ 10:12 PM EST
Karin joining late. Just made assignment for Ss playing text-based games to analyze fiction characteristics! I'm excited!
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jmattmiller
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:14 PM EST
Exactly. Hard to get that perfect balance, but practice and experience help.
#DitchBook
https://t.co/e1KJJBKYVM
Chucktaft
Mar 3 @ 10:08 PM EST
A1
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one challenge - Ss that are too self critical or too lackadaisical in their assessment - many find objectivity to be difficult
MsScott3grade
Mar 3 @ 10:14 PM EST
A2- Ss need to know where they are and how to recognize that! Learning isn't just about school facts, it's emotional growth too!
#ditchbook
Elizabeth_Bitt
Mar 3 @ 10:14 PM EST
A2: The benefits can be that students learn how to look at their work with an objective mind.
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WonderToWisdom
Mar 3 @ 10:14 PM EST
A2: Student empowerment. Learning how to learn. Mindset. GROWTH.
#ditchbook
SEANJFAHEY
Mar 3 @ 10:14 PM EST
Giving good feedback from a Ts is a key component. Ss get an assignment w/ an "D-" what does that mean?
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https://t.co/0uE99lNRwx
JBucci19
Mar 3 @ 10:08 PM EST
Ss may not be getting the info they need to know or may only test themselves on what they know to get a good grade.
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rachelmarker
Mar 3 @ 10:14 PM EST
A2: By assessing, Ss reflect on what they're *learning.* Brings lrng "targets" front+center. Ss get voice in growth, effort, lrng.
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briandurgin
Mar 3 @ 10:14 PM EST
A2: Ss learn more about themselves. They learn and can see what their strengths and weaknesses are.
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UpAndAtom2
Mar 3 @ 10:14 PM EST
a2: it gives Ss ownership and a sense of pride in their work.
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sandyrotto
Mar 3 @ 10:14 PM EST
@RESP3CTtheGAME
@MsVenturino
Some of my best modeling has been honestly sharing my professional growth goal with my Ss.
#ditchbook
KarinHogen
Mar 3 @ 10:14 PM EST
A2: As adults we just self-assess all the time. Ss need to learn this skill to be prepared for work.
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lesliewind1
Mar 3 @ 10:15 PM EST
@rachelmarker
practice is key
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Elizabeth_Bitt
Mar 3 @ 10:15 PM EST
A2: Also learning to self-assess leads to being able to assess others when needed.
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mrterborg
Mar 3 @ 10:15 PM EST
#ditchbook
I give my Ss almost total control to conversations after presenting a visual prompt. Freaks other Ts out.
#ditchbook
mrterborg
Mar 3 @ 10:15 PM EST
#ditchbook
I give my Ss almost total control to conversations after presenting a visual prompt. Freaks other Ts out.
#ditchbook
jmattmiller
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:15 PM EST
@gphilhower
Hey George! Good to see you! Where's Taylor??? :)
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emosier3
Mar 3 @ 10:15 PM EST
A2: Allows Ss to gain confidence, so if they completely misunderstood assignment, aren't humiliated with peer or T grading.
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MsVenturino
Mar 3 @ 10:15 PM EST
A2: Metacognition, and recognizing what/how to improve. Feedback more valuable if Ss have emotional attachment to it
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AJBianco
Mar 3 @ 10:15 PM EST
A2: Our sts need to see what they are passionate about and what they do well. It's NOT about testing, its about real life skills.
#ditchbook
MistyMitchellm
Mar 3 @ 10:15 PM EST
A2: learning how to asses yourself is an important skill for personal/professional growth.
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MaryLindseyELA
Mar 3 @ 10:15 PM EST
A1: Will Ss transfer what they learned from assessing themselves to the next assignment? Will they be honest w/ themselves?
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Chucktaft
Mar 3 @ 10:15 PM EST
@SEANJFAHEY
Yeah Sean! The letter grade is a dinosaur - not helpful for S growth, learning, revision
#ditchbook
rachelmarker
Mar 3 @ 10:15 PM EST
@MsScott3grade
Agreed. And it's abt the *process* of lrng. Great way to highlight importance of
#growthmindset
!
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Ajarn_Adam
Mar 3 @ 10:15 PM EST
A2 Self-assessment can help Ss become independent, lifelong learners by enhancing their metacognitive skills
#DitchBook
tammy_embry
Mar 3 @ 10:15 PM EST
Student reflection allows for student goal-setting. Intrinsic motivation is so important.
#ditchbook
https://t.co/2aEToASDK6
sandyrotto
Mar 3 @ 10:13 PM EST
Q2 looks at what makes student self-assessment so valuable.
#ditchbook
#sblchat
@jmattmiller
@RESP3CTtheGAME
#tlap
https://t.co/SVTMx2aFXA
MsVenturino
Mar 3 @ 10:15 PM EST
@sandyrotto
@RESP3CTtheGAME
My Ss love it when I tell them āIām learning along with you!ā
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JoyZanger
Mar 3 @ 10:16 PM EST
A2-As their T,I'm not going to be there 4ever.so teaching to self-assess= a necessary skill for the rest of education(and beyond)
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RESP3CTtheGAME
Mar 3 @ 10:16 PM EST
Too kind, Chuck! I learn from my Ss every day. They remind us daily that we have much to learn
#ditchbook
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Chucktaft
Mar 3 @ 10:13 PM EST
Every time I think I know it all, I check out waht
@RESP3CTtheGAME
says and realize I still have a lot to learn
#ditchbook
HeidiJohnson06
Mar 3 @ 10:16 PM EST
A2: Students need to learn to rely on their own judgement when it comes to assessing their work rather than just teachers.
#ditchbook
awrenn328
Mar 3 @ 10:16 PM EST
@sandyrotto
@burgessdave
@jmattmiller
@RESP3CTtheGAME
#ditchbook
April Wrenn
jmattmiller
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:16 PM EST
Well said!
#DitchBook
https://t.co/oLdGOo2V7f
MsScott3grade
Mar 3 @ 10:14 PM EST
A2- Ss need to know where they are and how to recognize that! Learning isn't just about school facts, it's emotional growth too!
#ditchbook
menxueiro
Mar 3 @ 10:16 PM EST
A2: Metacognition. Ss analyzing how they learn and learn from mistakes
#ditchbook
https://t.co/LhLSE8A5YL
sandyrotto
Mar 3 @ 10:13 PM EST
Q2 looks at what makes student self-assessment so valuable.
#ditchbook
#sblchat
@jmattmiller
@RESP3CTtheGAME
#tlap
https://t.co/SVTMx2aFXA
mrterborg
Mar 3 @ 10:16 PM EST
@mrterborg
#ditchbook
Ss usually step up. Need help monitoring conversation. Have a few rough classes but most can observe discuss endlessly
AJBianco
Mar 3 @ 10:16 PM EST
@MsVenturino
@sandyrotto
@RESP3CTtheGAME
They see us as a Teacher and never as a student. We need to show we ALWAYS learn!
#ditchbook
sandyrotto
Mar 3 @ 10:16 PM EST
@jmattmiller
@BrianJurinek
Our job is not to do the majority of the speaking, teaching, learning OR the assessing.
#ditchbook
mind shift
Robinson_RME
Mar 3 @ 10:16 PM EST
A2 This teaches students to asses their work and hopefully will feed into everyday life of social skills and more!!
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RemScience
Mar 3 @ 10:16 PM EST
Q2: Ss take ownership of their learning and see more value.
#DitchBook
SEANJFAHEY
Mar 3 @ 10:16 PM EST
A2 benefits include: self awareness, personal goal setting, & internal motivation
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LachapelleB
Mar 3 @ 10:16 PM EST
And those of some of the best conversations - discussing ups and downs in class with the students!
#ditchbook
https://t.co/0tbIoCXCZy
AJBianco
Mar 3 @ 10:16 PM EST
@MsVenturino
@sandyrotto
@RESP3CTtheGAME
They see us as a Teacher and never as a student. We need to show we ALWAYS learn!
#ditchbook
jmattmiller
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:17 PM EST
That's a whole different level of teacher transparency!
#DitchBook
https://t.co/9pzsuLXjV8
sandyrotto
Mar 3 @ 10:14 PM EST
@RESP3CTtheGAME
@MsVenturino
Some of my best modeling has been honestly sharing my professional growth goal with my Ss.
#ditchbook
kaleistern
Mar 3 @ 10:17 PM EST
A2 encourages self-reflection on Ss part. They're more responsible for their own learning.
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RESP3CTtheGAME
Mar 3 @ 10:17 PM EST
Great point! Gradual release of responsibility... for life!
#ditchbook
@JoyZanger
https://t.co/PpifopKXSn
JoyZanger
Mar 3 @ 10:16 PM EST
A2-As their T,I'm not going to be there 4ever.so teaching to self-assess= a necessary skill for the rest of education(and beyond)
#ditchbook
rossvittore
Mar 3 @ 10:17 PM EST
A2: It provides Ss with the critical lifelong learning skill of reflection.
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mrterborg
Mar 3 @ 10:17 PM EST
@MsScott3grade
I'm hoping to find it soon. School starts @ 7:15 E
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SEANJFAHEY
Mar 3 @ 10:17 PM EST
@Chucktaft
doesn't help with parents either
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PamRabin
Mar 3 @ 10:17 PM EST
Saw Mari here joining a little late but I'm in!
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zonie71
Mar 3 @ 10:17 PM EST
A2: Doing a S/T blend for a scoring rubric. Ss have more buy-in and accountability!
#ditchbook
dr_riina
Mar 3 @ 10:17 PM EST
Teachers often treat their students the way they are treated.
#ditchbook
https://t.co/OkoI4PjlWe
AJBianco
Mar 3 @ 10:12 PM EST
@mrterborg
I meant the teachers environment. I hate that teachers don't allow their students step up and take risks. Learn/Try it
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AnnaHarrisR
Mar 3 @ 10:17 PM EST
Yes! Ss could even b involved in design of self assessment. Ask Ss what they think is important to assess
#ditchbook
https://t.co/MCLOwLWqgH
tammy_embry
Mar 3 @ 10:12 PM EST
@TTmomTT
Yes, teachers have to TEACH self-assessment. Students need to understand purpose.
#ditchbook
MaryLindseyELA
Mar 3 @ 10:18 PM EST
A2: Ss using a critical eye on their own work prevents them from taking constructive criticism personally.
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Finest1stGrade
Mar 3 @ 10:18 PM EST
A2) Students need to know how to "fail", self-assess, and GROW!
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MsVenturino
Mar 3 @ 10:18 PM EST
@AJBianco
@sandyrotto
@RESP3CTtheGAME
Right? Canāt wait for Genius Hour in AVID. Iām going to do a proj too.
#ditchbook
jmattmiller
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:18 PM EST
Yes! If they see the end game and set their own goals to get there, anything is possible!
#DitchBook
https://t.co/Y6EOJsr3Jo
tammy_embry
Mar 3 @ 10:15 PM EST
Student reflection allows for student goal-setting. Intrinsic motivation is so important.
#ditchbook
https://t.co/2aEToASDK6
sandyrotto
Mar 3 @ 10:13 PM EST
Q2 looks at what makes student self-assessment so valuable.
#ditchbook
#sblchat
@jmattmiller
@RESP3CTtheGAME
#tlap
https://t.co/SVTMx2aFXA
LisaGuardino
Mar 3 @ 10:18 PM EST
& therefore Ss will be more successful on future tasks, measurements, etc
#ditchbook
https://t.co/Ucj9qZPbyM
menxueiro
Mar 3 @ 10:16 PM EST
A2: Metacognition. Ss analyzing how they learn and learn from mistakes
#ditchbook
https://t.co/LhLSE8A5YL
sandyrotto
Mar 3 @ 10:13 PM EST
Q2 looks at what makes student self-assessment so valuable.
#ditchbook
#sblchat
@jmattmiller
@RESP3CTtheGAME
#tlap
https://t.co/SVTMx2aFXA
sandyrotto
Mar 3 @ 10:18 PM EST
@jmattmiller
Especially when my PGP is student self-assessment. I've made it my personal goal, so I share my journey with the Ss.
#ditchbook
rachelmarker
Mar 3 @ 10:18 PM EST
@LisaGuardino
We need to take the time to teach it, do it right. Ts need to feel this is time well used in clsrm.
#ditchbook
AJBianco
Mar 3 @ 10:18 PM EST
@dr_riina
Then we need to change that culture... We need Admin to allow for creativity and innovation. Sts and Ts will thrive!
#ditchbook
Chucktaft
Mar 3 @ 10:18 PM EST
@SEANJFAHEY
and I have stories to back that up - why they want letters instead of feedback is troublesome
#ditchbook
AlisonFeddes
Mar 3 @ 10:18 PM EST
#ditchbook
Hi, everyone. Alison Feddes, K-5 Special Ed Bozeman! A2 Self-assessment is the key to intrinsic and independent learning.
MsVenturino
Mar 3 @ 10:18 PM EST
@AJBianco
@sandyrotto
@RESP3CTtheGAME
I joined in PE makeup runs this afternoon. Love running & chatting w Ss. Great perspective
#ditchbook
mrterborg
Mar 3 @ 10:19 PM EST
Ss led discussions can lead to amazing convers. Discussed STM, LTM, WM, in 3rd grade. All came up in disc. They were getting it.
#ditchbook
lesliewind1
Mar 3 @ 10:19 PM EST
@SEANJFAHEY
UES!!!šššš
#ditchbook
mrterborg
Mar 3 @ 10:19 PM EST
@mrterborg
They still fuss that I made their brains hurt. Wish all my Ss said that.
#ditchbook
JBucci19
Mar 3 @ 10:19 PM EST
A2: When Ss can self-assess, they grow competency and also gain understanding.
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rachelmarker
Mar 3 @ 10:19 PM EST
@Ajarn_Adam
Yes, love teaching Ss abt metacognition! So valuable to understand ourselves as lrnrs.
#ditchbook
LisaGuardino
Mar 3 @ 10:19 PM EST
@rachelmarker
A great use of time. Will support future growth & achievement
#ditchbook
https://t.co/eGvUX2WEG5
rachelmarker
Mar 3 @ 10:18 PM EST
@LisaGuardino
We need to take the time to teach it, do it right. Ts need to feel this is time well used in clsrm.
#ditchbook
sandyrotto
Mar 3 @ 10:19 PM EST
@HeidiJohnson06
Hey there, Heidi! So excited you're here. Helping them trust their judgment is critical.
#ditchbook
MsScott3grade
Mar 3 @ 10:20 PM EST
@mrterborg
Mine fussed today "I'm doing too much math!!" Well, yes. This is math class =)
#ditchbook
JoyZanger
Mar 3 @ 10:20 PM EST
Totally agree
@AnnaHarrisR
#ditchbook
https://t.co/i5IYb1gZj1
AnnaHarrisR
Mar 3 @ 10:17 PM EST
Yes! Ss could even b involved in design of self assessment. Ask Ss what they think is important to assess
#ditchbook
https://t.co/MCLOwLWqgH
tammy_embry
Mar 3 @ 10:12 PM EST
@TTmomTT
Yes, teachers have to TEACH self-assessment. Students need to understand purpose.
#ditchbook
sandyrotto
Mar 3 @ 10:20 PM EST
Transparency is Q3. Ss need to understanding proficiency.
#ditchbook
@jmattmiller
@RESP3CTtheGAME
#sblchat
https://t.co/g4pEx6bkK7
lesliewind1
Mar 3 @ 10:20 PM EST
A2 personal responsibility for ones learning builds confidence which empowers
#ditchbook
LachapelleB
Mar 3 @ 10:20 PM EST
I tried assessment interviews in our recent Science unit.Some interesting conversations came out of it. Cool to hear Ss thinking.
#ditchbook
MsVenturino
Mar 3 @ 10:20 PM EST
A3: Iāve been lacking in this lately. Need to show more Ss samples, and highlight good work in progress
#ditchbook
Finest1stGrade
Mar 3 @ 10:20 PM EST
A3) With past successes from other students!
#ditchbook
BrianJurinek
Mar 3 @ 10:21 PM EST
A3: Learning targets need to be clearly displayed for students, and Ss exemplars can be provided when possible.
#ditchbook
MsVenturino
Mar 3 @ 10:21 PM EST
@LachapelleB
I want to hear more about this!
#ditchbook
mrterborg
Mar 3 @ 10:21 PM EST
@jmattmiller
My grandiose idea is to gasify the library standards and let Ss choose how to meet the standards. Let them decide.
#ditchbook
rachelmarker
Mar 3 @ 10:21 PM EST
@HeidiJohnson06
YES! It's not abt pleasing the T; it's abt intrinsic drive to learn, do better, try again.
#ditchbook
kristijacobs16
Mar 3 @ 10:21 PM EST
A3: Use of checklists, graphing progess, and models.
#ditchbook
MsScott3grade
Mar 3 @ 10:21 PM EST
A3- I agree w/ showing good student work! Giving feedback.
#ditchbook
AJBianco
Mar 3 @ 10:21 PM EST
A3: I hate to say it but when it comes to content, students will know bc it's based on rubric and answering of essential Qs
#ditchbook
TTmomTT
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:21 PM EST
A3: We start with standards in Ss language and they track their own progress.
#ditchbook
Elizabeth_Bitt
Mar 3 @ 10:21 PM EST
A3: A well drawn up rubric can help students see what is expected. Sample work is great to use as well.
#ditchbook
JoyZanger
Mar 3 @ 10:21 PM EST
A3-Lots of modeling! Look at the standards and decipher them together. I would love to form more rubrics w Ss!
#ditchbook
gphilhower
Mar 3 @ 10:21 PM EST
A2: Learners are the most qualified individuals to know whether or not... or to what extent... they have learned.
#ditchbook
KarinHogen
Mar 3 @ 10:21 PM EST
A3: as an IB school we share lots and lots and lots of rubrics
#ditchbook
Chucktaft
Mar 3 @ 10:21 PM EST
A3
#ditchbook
tough - trying to strike balance b/w offering models and not giving a cookie cutter - want Ss to create, display on their own
zonie71
Mar 3 @ 10:21 PM EST
A3: Model, model, model!! Use mentor texts and set an example with/for Ss.
#ditchbook
Robinson_RME
Mar 3 @ 10:21 PM EST
Rubrics before assessment.I always tell them what 4-able(yes my term)looks like, backward planning!!!
#ditchbook
sandyrotto
Mar 3 @ 10:21 PM EST
@MaryLindseyELA
So true. Can students offend themselves?
#ditchbook
jmattmiller
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:21 PM EST
A3: Standards help show proficiency goals, but standards can't be our sole focus.
#DitchBook
emosier3
Mar 3 @ 10:22 PM EST
A3: From LA standpoint, there's always room to exceed further. Self-assessment allows Ss opp. to push themselves to do better!
#ditchbook
mrterborg
Mar 3 @ 10:22 PM EST
@jmattmiller
SIly autocorrect. Figured I'd keep it. Should have been gamify.
#ditchbook
Chucktaft
Mar 3 @ 10:22 PM EST
A3
#ditchbook
use a TON of targets and rubrics - by the end of the year, most Ss use them
Ajarn_Adam
Mar 3 @ 10:22 PM EST
A3 This is still a work in progress for me...
#DitchBook
dr_riina
Mar 3 @ 10:22 PM EST
A3: Rubrics, examples of strong & weak work, reflection, Chappuis AFL.
#ditchbook
AnnaHarrisR
Mar 3 @ 10:22 PM EST
A2. Ss learn to care about their learning. They begin to value learning rather than desiring to just pass a class/test.
#ditchbook
LachapelleB
Mar 3 @ 10:22 PM EST
@MsVenturino
I thought I would try it! I came up with some open ended questions and when Ss were ready, they let me know. 1 of 2
#ditchbook
rachelmarker
Mar 3 @ 10:22 PM EST
A3 I'm a fan of Ss having voice in establishing expectations--esp for projects. Student-driven scales/rubrics/whatnot.
#ditchbook
AJBianco
Mar 3 @ 10:22 PM EST
This is great. model student work vs teacher work to show expectations and achievements of our students.
#ditchbook
https://t.co/e0QhLN7f5k
Chucktaft
Mar 3 @ 10:21 PM EST
A3
#ditchbook
tough - trying to strike balance b/w offering models and not giving a cookie cutter - want Ss to create, display on their own
jmattmiller
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:22 PM EST
@MsVenturino
I'm the same Mari ... Have struggled to show kids what proficient is. Great goal for improvement!
#DitchBook
MistyMitchellm
Mar 3 @ 10:22 PM EST
A3: I like examples & non-examples, but with VARIETY! Discuss why smthing is a non-example.
#ditchbook
mrterborg
Mar 3 @ 10:22 PM EST
@MsScott3grade
But Mine seem to enjoy it ... in their library class.
#ditchbook
MaryLindseyELA
Mar 3 @ 10:22 PM EST
A3: RUBRICS. This is a big focus at my school. Teach each category and discuss what it looks like.
#ditchbook
menxueiro
Mar 3 @ 10:23 PM EST
A3: Clear guidelines, rubrics, samples, pictures, expectation's video/model
#ditchbook
JoyZanger
Mar 3 @ 10:23 PM EST
Totally
@Chucktaft
We want Ss to generate originality and practice creativity!"There's no ONE way!"
#ditchbook
https://t.co/GJQGMZSa64
Chucktaft
Mar 3 @ 10:21 PM EST
A3
#ditchbook
tough - trying to strike balance b/w offering models and not giving a cookie cutter - want Ss to create, display on their own
NerDyFountain
Mar 3 @ 10:23 PM EST
A2: Students answer āWhat am I good at?ā, What do I need to work on?ā and āWhat should I do next?ā. Direct involvement=buy-in
#ditchbook
LKFrank5
Mar 3 @ 10:23 PM EST
@JoyZanger
Great idea! I need to include students in the rubric making process more often.
#ditchbook
tammy_embry
Mar 3 @ 10:23 PM EST
Model it, share work of other Ss, talk about your rubric. Post CC standards in easy āI Canā statements.
#ditchbook
https://t.co/Y72cqvnlrZ
sandyrotto
Mar 3 @ 10:20 PM EST
Transparency is Q3. Ss need to understanding proficiency.
#ditchbook
@jmattmiller
@RESP3CTtheGAME
#sblchat
https://t.co/g4pEx6bkK7
RESP3CTtheGAME
Mar 3 @ 10:23 PM EST
A3 Transparency in communicating standards & proficiency criteria crucial for effective self-assessment
https://t.co/06Soa1TSvL
#ditchbook
LachapelleB
Mar 3 @ 10:23 PM EST
@MsVenturino
We talked about the material and they were able to discuss what they knew about it. So much better than a test! 2of2
#ditchbook
RemScience
Mar 3 @ 10:23 PM EST
A3: Modeling and having ongoing dialog.
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kaleistern
Mar 3 @ 10:23 PM EST
A3 Posted S writing samples from levels 1-10 on the wall. Ss can set qtr goals and compare their writing to diff levels.
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MsScott3grade
Mar 3 @ 10:23 PM EST
@LKFrank5
@JoyZanger
Me too! Still trying to figure out how to do that
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SEANJFAHEY
Mar 3 @ 10:23 PM EST
A3 Pull from real world examples! Love bring in various types of text to show what good writing can look like
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HeidiJohnson06
Mar 3 @ 10:23 PM EST
Follow-up to Q3: what do you show as exemplars when you Re doing a new unit? I also struggle with writing exemplars. Thoughts?
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PamRabin
Mar 3 @ 10:23 PM EST
Q3 Give example work, but students need to analyze that work and construct together what makes it good- can't just tell them.
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ohsoearly
Mar 3 @ 10:23 PM EST
Really is interesting when you actually stop and read the standards with Ss like they're not a secret
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https://t.co/BGnfGUMUa4
JoyZanger
Mar 3 @ 10:21 PM EST
A3-Lots of modeling! Look at the standards and decipher them together. I would love to form more rubrics w Ss!
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sandyrotto
Mar 3 @ 10:23 PM EST
@MsVenturino
I've recently realized this myself. If my Ss don't know what proficient looks like, how can they self assess?
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lesliewind1
Mar 3 @ 10:23 PM EST
A3 student examples, allowing for multiple tries to get it "right" fostering a growth mindset
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MsVenturino
Mar 3 @ 10:23 PM EST
@jmattmiller
They also need to see what āexceeds expectationsā looks like, then push the limits
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mrterborg
Mar 3 @ 10:23 PM EST
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work with your specialists. Esp. Library-Media. They can dig deeper if you communicate with them.
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mrterborg
Mar 3 @ 10:23 PM EST
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work with your specialists. Esp. Library-Media. They can dig deeper if you communicate with them.
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NerDyFountain
Mar 3 @ 10:23 PM EST
A3: strong and weak work samples....develop the success criteria together
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rachelmarker
Mar 3 @ 10:23 PM EST
@AlisonFeddes
Hi Alison! So glad your here! I so agree: self-assess helps build intrinsic drive + indpendce.
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JBucci19
Mar 3 @ 10:24 PM EST
A2:
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I thought of when a S can give himself an algebra problem. If they make them & do them themselves, they gain competence!
MsVenturino
Mar 3 @ 10:24 PM EST
@LachapelleB
Love that! Wish I could have observed this process
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AJBianco
Mar 3 @ 10:24 PM EST
I like it. these levels should be posted on our classroom walls so that students can see where they stand
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https://t.co/TIEWjzzMGs
RESP3CTtheGAME
Mar 3 @ 10:23 PM EST
A3 Transparency in communicating standards & proficiency criteria crucial for effective self-assessment
https://t.co/06Soa1TSvL
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BrianJurinek
Mar 3 @ 10:24 PM EST
@rachelmarker
Love the idea of student generated rubrics! They often raise the bar higher than expected and showcase creativity!
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TTmomTT
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:24 PM EST
@MsScott3grade
I try to be careful not to take the thought process away with examples - others end up just copying, no thinking.
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LachapelleB
Mar 3 @ 10:24 PM EST
@MsVenturino
Being able to ask them to explain further or to add explanation was valuable.
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AnnaHarrisR
Mar 3 @ 10:24 PM EST
A2. Ss learn to set personal goals at a young age w tender guidance from Ts, increases success of setting & reaching goals
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MsVenturino
Mar 3 @ 10:24 PM EST
@sandyrotto
I suppose I need to build in more peer sharing time before the assignment in due
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RESP3CTtheGAME
Mar 3 @ 10:24 PM EST
A3 Have Ss create the rubric or assessment tool. Hold a contest for most creative descriptions
https://t.co/FOuG4uin2n
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LachapelleB
Mar 3 @ 10:24 PM EST
@MsVenturino
Being able to have the discussion often showed them they knew more than they thought.
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sandyrotto
Mar 3 @ 10:24 PM EST
@tammy_embry
And not just posting the I Cans, but samples of proficiency. Use them as proficiency "mentor texts" Many need that.
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JoyZanger
Mar 3 @ 10:24 PM EST
Me too!
@MsScott3grade
@LKFrank5
But it's worth trying it out. We'll never know until we try :)
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https://t.co/nKJmV8NqwM
MsScott3grade
Mar 3 @ 10:23 PM EST
@LKFrank5
@JoyZanger
Me too! Still trying to figure out how to do that
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mrterborg
Mar 3 @ 10:25 PM EST
@mrterborg
We've explored Earth, space, Mars, moon, Solar System, Sun, Apollo,
@spacex
, and more in my K-2 classes.
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rachelmarker
Mar 3 @ 10:25 PM EST
@MsVenturino
It's an easy one to forget and not make time for. We don't always have exemplars, either. A goal for me, too.
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LachapelleB
Mar 3 @ 10:25 PM EST
@MsVenturino
It was the first time we tried it. It was a bit time consuming, but the process was valuable.
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golliharsclass
Mar 3 @ 10:25 PM EST
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a3: problem-based learning is very meaningful for Ss. They WANT to show their worth and their place.
MsVenturino
Mar 3 @ 10:25 PM EST
@LachapelleB
I bet that was a big confidence builder too
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JBucci19
Mar 3 @ 10:25 PM EST
A3: Ss can look at an example from the past and assess their work based on the proficient one.
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rachelmarker
Mar 3 @ 10:25 PM EST
@AlisonFeddes
Love it!
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TTmomTT
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:25 PM EST
@jmattmiller
You can meet standards and still allow for creativity, individuality, and thought.
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sandyrotto
Mar 3 @ 10:26 PM EST
Q4 is for sharing tech/no-tech resources for stu self-assessment.
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@jmattmiller
@RESP3CTtheGAME
#sblchat
https://t.co/fES2T8w9ly
MsVenturino
Mar 3 @ 10:26 PM EST
@rachelmarker
I always save sample interactive notebooks, but they hide in the cabinets after the initial set-up day
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mrterborg
Mar 3 @ 10:26 PM EST
@ohsoearly
Maybe let them show & tell you how they can meet the standards?
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jmattmiller
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:26 PM EST
Right!
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https://t.co/iRRLa5oHW7
sandyrotto
Mar 3 @ 10:24 PM EST
@tammy_embry
And not just posting the I Cans, but samples of proficiency. Use them as proficiency "mentor texts" Many need that.
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SEANJFAHEY
Mar 3 @ 10:26 PM EST
@ohsoearly
@JoyZanger
exactly I put our "learning targets" (standards) up in the board for the week/unit and refer to them often
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dr_riina
Mar 3 @ 10:26 PM EST
I've found that when students "borrow" from examples, its bc that is where they are in their learning.
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https://t.co/VhL3hMEIGI
AJBianco
Mar 3 @ 10:22 PM EST
This is great. model student work vs teacher work to show expectations and achievements of our students.
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https://t.co/e0QhLN7f5k
Chucktaft
Mar 3 @ 10:21 PM EST
A3
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tough - trying to strike balance b/w offering models and not giving a cookie cutter - want Ss to create, display on their own
MsVenturino
Mar 3 @ 10:26 PM EST
@LachapelleB
Have you ever done a socratic seminar in science?
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sandyrotto
Mar 3 @ 10:26 PM EST
@Chucktaft
I agree. I like to show multiple examples of profienccy. Esp in writing, when Ss think more words=better. Ugh.
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rachelmarker
Mar 3 @ 10:26 PM EST
@BrianJurinek
If you're a
#GAFE
district, it's so easy to get their great ideas w a google form! Reinforces idea of reflxn too.
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AlisonFeddes
Mar 3 @ 10:26 PM EST
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A3 We currently used rubrics and anchor charts built from ss that are for everyday regarding effort/active learning.
golliharsclass
Mar 3 @ 10:26 PM EST
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A3: rubrics are a helpful tool in showing Ss what proficient looks like, as well as exceeds. Allows for self-reflection too.
JoyZanger
Mar 3 @ 10:26 PM EST
A4-One of my fav. resources for making rubrics is themespark! So easy!
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MsScott3grade
Mar 3 @ 10:26 PM EST
@MsVenturino
@LachapelleB
I've been thinking about doing one in math!
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AJBianco
Mar 3 @ 10:26 PM EST
A4: Again... it comes down to modeling. Show them an example and what it should look like, but let them add their personality.
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RESP3CTtheGAME
Mar 3 @ 10:26 PM EST
@TTmomTT
@jmattmiller
Exactly! What can you create to show evidence of your learning. Something original & enduring
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LisaGuardino
Mar 3 @ 10:26 PM EST
A3: Strong rubrics, strong models, putting Ss in evaluators role, academic/consistent lang, mulitmedia presos, 1:1 conf
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LachapelleB
Mar 3 @ 10:27 PM EST
@MsVenturino
For many, yes!Others learned they needed to put in more work.But it allowed SS to figure that out w/o failing a test.
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NerDyFountain
Mar 3 @ 10:27 PM EST
#ditchbook
this is my first chat...
@kristinkdj
you should join!
rachelmarker
Mar 3 @ 10:27 PM EST
@MsVenturino
OMG, totally. I've done the very same thing. For me, it helps to make a habit of Ss sharing their work w peers.
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Elizabeth_Bitt
Mar 3 @ 10:27 PM EST
A4: There are many online rubric websites such as rubistar, that have premade rubrics students can look at.
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LachapelleB
Mar 3 @ 10:27 PM EST
@MsVenturino
No, not yet. Like the idea though.
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MsVenturino
Mar 3 @ 10:27 PM EST
A4: Use
@explainevrythng
for Ss to explain what they know, then listen back. On paper: 1 color for self, 1 color peer, 1 color T
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dr_riina
Mar 3 @ 10:27 PM EST
Love using strong examples w/specific weaknesses so students can assess& see common errors etc.
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https://t.co/rsArv1Afkq
MistyMitchellm
Mar 3 @ 10:22 PM EST
A3: I like examples & non-examples, but with VARIETY! Discuss why smthing is a non-example.
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AJBianco
Mar 3 @ 10:27 PM EST
@dr_riina
While it should never be the end result, its a good jumping off point for sts. Let them see it and fix/edit/add to it.
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mrterborg
Mar 3 @ 10:27 PM EST
@HeidiJohnson06
Can't help much but Ts need to collaborate more. Someone has a good exemplar. Find it, tweak it, then create own
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MsVenturino
Mar 3 @ 10:27 PM EST
@MsScott3grade
@LachapelleB
Do it! I love them!
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WonderToWisdom
Mar 3 @ 10:28 PM EST
A4: Each S has a Ggl Doc share w/ me w/ unit goals. Continually self-assess and update.
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golliharsclass
Mar 3 @ 10:28 PM EST
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a3: peer conferences and student teacher conferences are good ways to discuss ways to become proficient and adjustments needed.
SEANJFAHEY
Mar 3 @ 10:28 PM EST
I was also going to say have the students discuss & figure out what would qualify as poor or good work
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https://t.co/xdjwHCPqp9
RESP3CTtheGAME
Mar 3 @ 10:24 PM EST
A3 Have Ss create the rubric or assessment tool. Hold a contest for most creative descriptions
https://t.co/FOuG4uin2n
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sandyrotto
Mar 3 @ 10:28 PM EST
@jmattmiller
@MaryLindseyELA
Yes,it's been my biggest a-ha on my journey. I realized I expected them to just know. They didn't.
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jmattmiller
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:28 PM EST
A4: Swivl has this interesting new video self-assess app called Recap:
https://t.co/FdQLfflBVS
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MsVenturino
Mar 3 @ 10:28 PM EST
Need to develop this habit. Who wants to keep me accountable?
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https://t.co/3TxwTjEUNV
rachelmarker
Mar 3 @ 10:27 PM EST
@MsVenturino
OMG, totally. I've done the very same thing. For me, it helps to make a habit of Ss sharing their work w peers.
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BrianJurinek
Mar 3 @ 10:28 PM EST
@rachelmarker
Lucky to be in a
#GAFE
district! Google Forms are great for feedback, formative assessment, and engaging Ss!
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mrterborg
Mar 3 @ 10:28 PM EST
@menxueiro
This is essential!
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rachelmarker
Mar 3 @ 10:28 PM EST
@BrianJurinek
Yes. And allow Ss time to explore what makes the exemplars exemplary. Analyze the work.
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TTmomTT
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:28 PM EST
A4: I have a color coded stds Gsheet and students reflect after each assmt. Also allow demo of knowledge outside of paper assmt.
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dr_riina
Mar 3 @ 10:28 PM EST
I've been learning to use single category rubrics. It is really focused.
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https://t.co/KBicAnjOBH
MaryLindseyELA
Mar 3 @ 10:22 PM EST
A3: RUBRICS. This is a big focus at my school. Teach each category and discuss what it looks like.
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MsVenturino
Mar 3 @ 10:28 PM EST
@LachapelleB
I did one yesterday with 7th grade sci. Also last week with 7th AVID. They rock
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RESP3CTtheGAME
Mar 3 @ 10:28 PM EST
A3 For those with rubrics already created, have Ss complete their own & then compare to T's eval. Rich convos follow
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MistyMitchellm
Mar 3 @ 10:29 PM EST
A4: Journaling/blogging smthing as simple as "what I learned today" can lead to great self reflection if used consistently.
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kristijacobs16
Mar 3 @ 10:29 PM EST
However, Ss need to understand the rubrics and the models. They can't just be "handed out."
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https://t.co/u0jCrg3PqW
Elizabeth_Bitt
Mar 3 @ 10:27 PM EST
A4: There are many online rubric websites such as rubistar, that have premade rubrics students can look at.
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zonie71
Mar 3 @ 10:29 PM EST
A4: Rubistar... I start the Rubric and the Ss help define it.
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mrterborg
Mar 3 @ 10:29 PM EST
@NerDyFountain
@kristinkdj
Mine too.
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Ajarn_Adam
Mar 3 @ 10:29 PM EST
@dr_riina
I like this idea!
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rachelmarker
Mar 3 @ 10:29 PM EST
@MsVenturino
I know, right? Partner up w a colleague for check-ins?! (Among the many other things...)
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LachapelleB
Mar 3 @ 10:29 PM EST
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https://t.co/yeEgnR31SQ
LachapelleB
Mar 3 @ 10:29 PM EST
A4 - We have been working on blogs for students to reflect. Got the idea from
@PaulSolarz
SEANJFAHEY
Mar 3 @ 10:29 PM EST
@rachelmarker
@MsVenturino
I'll show exemplars & Ss don't understand and get even more confused!
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JoyZanger
Mar 3 @ 10:29 PM EST
I use CC "I CAN" statements that I put up throughout the year. Displaying ones we are curr. working on.
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https://t.co/DCwfDyzm26
SEANJFAHEY
Mar 3 @ 10:26 PM EST
@ohsoearly
@JoyZanger
exactly I put our "learning targets" (standards) up in the board for the week/unit and refer to them often
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jmattmiller
- Moderator
Mar 3 @ 10:29 PM EST
Yes! And these are the practices that can follow Ss to adulthood for lifelong learners.
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https://t.co/7bxjGJg0rC
MistyMitchellm
Mar 3 @ 10:29 PM EST
A4: Journaling/blogging smthing as simple as "what I learned today" can lead to great self reflection if used consistently.
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golliharsclass
Mar 3 @ 10:29 PM EST
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a4: Rubrics, student samples, models to name a few. If Ss see what TO do and what NOT to do it should help them be successful.
JBucci19
Mar 3 @ 10:29 PM EST
A4:
#ditchbook
In my time at school so far, I have used Google Forms, Piktochart for an Infographic, and wizer.me 2 make WS's to self-assess
MsVenturino
Mar 3 @ 10:29 PM EST
.
@jmattmiller
Iām going to need to try this over the weekend. We have 2
@goswivl
at school, and I use them weekly
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LachapelleB
Mar 3 @ 10:29 PM EST
@MsVenturino
How do you set it up?
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Elizabeth_Bitt
Mar 3 @ 10:29 PM EST
@kristijacobs16
Right. I think these rubrics can be used as a model and then students can create their own.
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sandyrotto
Mar 3 @ 10:29 PM EST
@HeidiJohnson06
@mrterborg
Reach out to your Twitter PLN. I agree-we need to do more of this in our profession. No closed doors.
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