#DevDiscuss Archive

Tuesday August 8, 2017
9:00 PM EDT
  • ThePracticalDev Aug 8 @ 9:04 PM EDT
    Time for the #DevDiscuss Twitter chat. Tonight's chat is about: SALARY NEGOTIATION
  • ThePracticalDev Aug 8 @ 9:04 PM EDT
    Rules: - Stay on topic - ALWAYS ALWAYS use hashtag #DevDiscuss - Be NICE/POSITIVE ❤️ - Quoting tweets for clarity is encouraged
  • DwightLavallee1 Aug 8 @ 9:04 PM EDT
    (1/2) ------Original Message------ Fr: 21212 Sent: Aug 8 8:04pm Message: 1/2: @ThePracticalDev: Time for the #DevDiscuss Twitter chat.
  • mobbsdev Aug 8 @ 9:06 PM EDT
    Anticipating a full-time offer from my internship tomorrow - salaries are known to be pretty set, what else can I negotiate? 😬 #DevDiscuss
  • 0x15f Aug 8 @ 9:07 PM EDT
    #DevDiscuss I always start out negotiating my salary based on my previous positions, what I’m going to be working on..
  • ThePracticalDev Aug 8 @ 9:08 PM EDT
    What strategies do you employ when negotiating your salary? Tips please! #devdiscuss
  • vickyharp Aug 8 @ 9:09 PM EDT
    Lively thread earlier today that is related to today's #DevDiscuss
    • vickyharp Aug 8 @ 2:20 PM EDT
      Periodic reminder that requiring salary disclosures in job applications causes gender and racial wage gaps to persist through job changes
  • mrskellyvaughn Aug 8 @ 9:10 PM EDT
    Do your research. Use services like @Glassdoor to see the average salaries that others in a similar position are earning. #devdiscuss
  • bendhalpern Aug 8 @ 9:11 PM EDT
    It's a good time to set expectations around work hours, work flexibility, any vague benefits, and overall set the tone #DevDiscuss
    • mobbsdev Aug 8 @ 9:06 PM EDT
      Anticipating a full-time offer from my internship tomorrow - salaries are known to be pretty set, what else can I negotiate? 😬 #DevDiscuss
  • daveaglick Aug 8 @ 9:12 PM EDT
    This may be an unpopular opinion, but in my last search I worked with a recruiter. Did better than I was able to on my own. #devdiscuss
  • Programazing Aug 8 @ 9:12 PM EDT
    I talk to local developers in similar positions and see if they're willing to share how much they make. #DevDiscuss
  • kimberlypilbeam Aug 8 @ 9:12 PM EDT
    Have a bottom line in mind, but try to get them to name a number first. #devdiscuss
  • plepilov Aug 8 @ 9:13 PM EDT
    #devdiscuss The simple rule: The first party that names the salary figures loses the negotiation
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • 5paceToast Aug 8 @ 9:14 PM EDT
    Find the average salaries for country/state/city. Ask for the highest +10%. (cite) "Settle" on lowest/medium +10%. (don't cite) #devdiscuss
  • bendhalpern Aug 8 @ 9:14 PM EDT
    A good recruiter is amazing. The useless and/or shady ones give the whole profession a bad rep. #DevDiscuss
    • daveaglick Aug 8 @ 9:12 PM EDT
      This may be an unpopular opinion, but in my last search I worked with a recruiter. Did better than I was able to on my own. #devdiscuss
  • galenstevens Aug 8 @ 9:14 PM EDT
    Not salary related, but use another job offer as leverage to switch to full time remote work. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • Wintermute21 Aug 8 @ 9:15 PM EDT
    I use a recruiter usually and I've always gotten salaries in line with or better than the typical market rate #DevDiscuss @DevDiscussHQ
  • DarkGuardsman Aug 8 @ 9:16 PM EDT
    I've tried that as well, you do get far with professionals when you do not understand how the job hiring process works #devdiscuss
    In reply to @daveaglick
  • bendhalpern Aug 8 @ 9:17 PM EDT
    If you are not a good negotiator, get into poker. It will make you a good negotiator. #DevDiscuss
  • naaikaay Aug 8 @ 9:17 PM EDT
    "Show me the moneeeyyyy!" #DevDiscuss
  • galenstevens Aug 8 @ 9:17 PM EDT
    This is what both of my last two managers have directly said to do to give them leverage to help you get a better salary. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @solomonbunker, @ThePracticalDev
  • mrskellyvaughn Aug 8 @ 9:18 PM EDT
    When negotiating/asking for a raise, show proof of value. Have a record of work you've done since your previous review as proof. #devdiscuss
  • Malnormalulo Aug 8 @ 9:18 PM EDT
    Have any good sources for that? Glassdoor doesn't seem to give percentile breakdown #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @5paceToast
  • mrm8488 Aug 8 @ 9:19 PM EDT
    It is my worst skill #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • jwmiller5 Aug 8 @ 9:19 PM EDT
    #devdiscuss also negotiate ownership of IP and moonlighting
    In reply to @bendhalpern
  • bendhalpern Aug 8 @ 9:19 PM EDT
    "Price" will also indicate your quality as a candidate. Ask for more, you'll at least set a high anchor from which to negotiate #DevDiscuss
  • galenstevens Aug 8 @ 9:20 PM EDT
    leave our current jobs if it came to that. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • IgnoreIntuition Aug 8 @ 9:20 PM EDT
    Go in prepared, don’t undervalue yourself, and be confident that you deserve the wage your asking for. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • Nick_Craver Aug 8 @ 9:20 PM EDT
    I don’t. We actively avoid it at Stack Overflow: https://t.co/1JQ4lIGKvK I hope more and more companies move to this model. #DevDiscuss
  • MattBlackDev Aug 8 @ 9:21 PM EDT
    Know how much you're worth then double it. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • galenstevens Aug 8 @ 9:21 PM EDT
    Gathering market information is key. Employers usually have a vast knowledge advantage in this regard. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @jlozadad2426, @ThePracticalDev
  • kellyjandrews Aug 8 @ 9:21 PM EDT
    Best tip is value yourself and they will value you. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • projectedxyz Aug 8 @ 9:23 PM EDT
    #devdiscuss be careful with sweat equity deals and if ever offered in lieu of higher pay, ask to see the whole equity picture with everyone
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • g3nark0 Aug 8 @ 9:24 PM EDT
    Research market value first, then weight in experience and knowledge to a justifiable salary #devdiscuss
  • ThePracticalDev Aug 8 @ 9:24 PM EDT
    Do you consider yourself to be an "above average" salary negotiator? #DevDiscuss
  • georgeoffley Aug 8 @ 9:27 PM EDT
    Then those recruiters must everywhere else except the north east. I've never met a useful recruiter. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @bendhalpern
  • georgeoffley Aug 8 @ 9:27 PM EDT
    To the point where I completely refuse to work with them. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @bendhalpern
  • kellyjandrews Aug 8 @ 9:29 PM EDT
    Check Glassdoor and get a general idea of where you should be. Be realistic too. You can't go much higher than the market. #devdiscuss
  • kimberlypilbeam Aug 8 @ 9:30 PM EDT
    Unfortunately it seems, to get a raise, you will need another offer/job. #DevDiscuss
  • kellyjandrews Aug 8 @ 9:31 PM EDT
    The amount of bad out number the good. But the good ones are out there, and are very useful. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @georgeoffley, @bendhalpern
  • IgnoreIntuition Aug 8 @ 9:31 PM EDT
    Ehh All I know: The best don’t always get the most money. They are compensated fairly. Never oversell what you can’t deliver #DevDiscuss
  • kellyjandrews Aug 8 @ 9:32 PM EDT
    Anything more than a small bump, usually. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @kimberlypilbeam
  • IBeRenascent Aug 8 @ 9:32 PM EDT
    Know your market value and how much a company pays. Then give that number rather than be coy in the off chance they offer more #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • kimberlypilbeam Aug 8 @ 9:32 PM EDT
    Last tip: DON'T BE AFRAID TO WALK AWAY. Don't undervalue yourself. You owe them nothing, and you are worthy. #DevDiscuss #offmysoapbox
  • thatzacdavis Aug 8 @ 9:34 PM EDT
    Depends on the company. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @kimberlypilbeam, @ThePracticalDev
  • shannon_crabill Aug 8 @ 9:34 PM EDT
    Are we talking as a new hire? Or as in being at a job for a while and renegotiating? #DevDiscuss
  • DavidWells Aug 8 @ 9:34 PM EDT
    It would be super interesting for an anonymous spreadsheet with title, location, & salary #DevDiscuss Can someone make one?
  • trueheart78 Aug 8 @ 9:34 PM EDT
    Definitely not. It’s why I highly recommend this article: https://t.co/gnWoziIgEN #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • YouWorthApp Aug 8 @ 9:34 PM EDT
    Be wise with your money and save as much as possible. A hefty savings can give you the confidence to negotiate and ask for more #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • mrskellyvaughn Aug 8 @ 9:35 PM EDT
    Companies don't honor loyalty anymore. Sad but true. It's 100% okay to go elsewhere if it furthers your career goals. #devdiscuss
  • kellyjandrews Aug 8 @ 9:35 PM EDT
    I've turned down several. It's hard sometimes, but the right move for sure. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @kimberlypilbeam
  • kellyjandrews Aug 8 @ 9:35 PM EDT
    Rarely will you get more than asked for. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @IBeRenascent, @ThePracticalDev
  • ThePracticalDev Aug 8 @ 9:36 PM EDT
    How does your company deal with raises? Are they evaluated on a schedule? If so, how often? Are there standard raise amounts? #devdiscuss
  • shannon_crabill Aug 8 @ 9:36 PM EDT
    On the new hire side, I've asked for more and been nervous about it. I felt like if I didn't ask I would regret it #DevDiscuss
  • jwmiller5 Aug 8 @ 9:36 PM EDT
    Win-win or no deal. Read "Getting to yes" #devdiscuss
    In reply to @kimberlypilbeam
  • electric_g Aug 8 @ 9:36 PM EDT
    Once I may have "lied" about having another better offer to see if they were going to match it. But hey, it worked 🙈 #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • kellyjandrews Aug 8 @ 9:37 PM EDT
    Good negotiation means both sides get what they want, but have to give a little to get there. #devdiscuss
  • thatzacdavis Aug 8 @ 9:38 PM EDT
    Mine does them at the end of the year to take effect at the start of the next calendar year. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • shannon_crabill Aug 8 @ 9:40 PM EDT
    Year end, based on performance through the year, but I'm not 100% sure. The system seems to change frequently #DevDiscuss
  • SoulDriveP Aug 8 @ 9:40 PM EDT
    Annually. KPI-based. Standard (3% raise) across the board. #devdiscuss
    • ThePracticalDev Aug 8 @ 9:36 PM EDT
      How does your company deal with raises? Are they evaluated on a schedule? If so, how often? Are there standard raise amounts? #devdiscuss
  • abhijeetavi Aug 8 @ 9:41 PM EDT
    #devdiscuss It's based on evaluation of yearly assessment of delivery. Happens like clockwork. Amount is between a certain % range of base.
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • psukyle22 Aug 8 @ 9:41 PM EDT
    An evaluation in the spring and a raise in the summer. Usually between 1% - 3% depending on performance. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • trueheart78 Aug 8 @ 9:42 PM EDT
    Yearly, around your anniversary date. Backpay is given to make sure even later reviews are fair to you. Raise is % based #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • georgeoffley Aug 8 @ 9:42 PM EDT
    Experience has taught me otherwise. I'm sure they're out there, just surrounded by a bloated greedy industry. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @kellyjandrews, @bendhalpern
  • kimberlypilbeam Aug 8 @ 9:43 PM EDT
    corporate: 1x per year, some slap in the face ## that never represents the learning/building I did. startup: what raise where? #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • 5paceToast Aug 8 @ 9:44 PM EDT
    You can (read: have to) ask yearly. Standard increase is 5k/y, if granted. #devdiscuss
    • ThePracticalDev Aug 8 @ 9:36 PM EDT
      How does your company deal with raises? Are they evaluated on a schedule? If so, how often? Are there standard raise amounts? #devdiscuss
  • zed_goat Aug 8 @ 9:45 PM EDT
    Annual, hybrid of org unit KPIs for base increase and stipend for individual project delivery. Can do out of cycle but rare. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • kellyjandrews Aug 8 @ 9:47 PM EDT
    I understand, but others have not had the same experience. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @georgeoffley, @bendhalpern
  • IgnoreIntuition Aug 8 @ 9:47 PM EDT
    Performance based #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • SgtSopalin Aug 8 @ 9:47 PM EDT
    Once a year, ~3% of the salary (if you have fulfilled your personal objectives, less if not). #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • ThePracticalDev Aug 8 @ 9:49 PM EDT
    Have you seen another company do things like this? Do you see things going this way in any capacity? #DevDiscuss
  • georgeoffley Aug 8 @ 9:52 PM EDT
    There is something to say about the industry that's grown around recruiting. There's a reason there are so many bad ones. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @kellyjandrews, @bendhalpern
  • bruno_dsm Aug 8 @ 9:52 PM EDT
    I guess it kinda depends on the country and also if the company has technology in its core, I mean, not a consulting or smth #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • georgeoffley Aug 8 @ 9:52 PM EDT
    That said, I realize that my experience, while not unique; Is not everyone's experience #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @kellyjandrews, @bendhalpern
  • kimberlypilbeam Aug 8 @ 9:53 PM EDT
    Negotiating is more then $$. Some co's can give you more vacay/PTO if they can't match your number. Keep in mind other benefits. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • kellyjandrews Aug 8 @ 9:53 PM EDT
    Hard to say. A few companies do this, but not sure how successful it really is one way or another. If it works, do it. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • ThePracticalDev Aug 8 @ 9:54 PM EDT
    In the last few minutes of #DevDiscuss, anybody have any news to share, like a project or a personal win, or any other announcement?
  • Nick_Craver Aug 8 @ 9:54 PM EDT
    And of course you need money, but look at the big picture for what you’re getting: opportunities, knowledge, health, etc. #DevDiscuss
  • kellyjandrews Aug 8 @ 9:54 PM EDT
    I don't disagree. It's like used car sales. Some of them are actually decent people. Hang on to those. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @georgeoffley, @bendhalpern
  • shannon_crabill Aug 8 @ 9:56 PM EDT
    I started taking an intro to Javascript class this week. Here's to (finally) learning #Javascript #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • cjbush Aug 8 @ 9:57 PM EDT
    I expanded my horizons this last weekend and learned Knockout.js. So there's that. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev