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A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:03 PM EDT

Q1 Should we be concentrating on helping students to learn to be scientists when teaching science? #asechat Cat amongst pigeons -> GO!

oboelizzy Mar 14 @ 4:04 PM EDT

@A_Weatherall no! teaching all young people to be scientifically literate must be priority! #asechat

margaretflem Mar 14 @ 4:04 PM EDT

What does being a scientist mean? #ASEchat

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:04 PM EDT

Q2 Supplementary Q: And if so, does our new GCSE curriculum help or hinder with this endeavour? #asechat

dave2004b Mar 14 @ 4:05 PM EDT

.@A_Weatherall. If we believe in a liberal education then school must be more than just passing exams. Scientific literacy is key. #asechat

stevethedoc1 Mar 14 @ 4:05 PM EDT

@oboelizzy @A_Weatherall #asechat or is it science capacity we are developing for all

gavinsmart Mar 14 @ 4:06 PM EDT

@dave2004b Hopefully AQA Combined Science will be soon! #asechat #scichat

oboelizzy Mar 14 @ 4:06 PM EDT

@stevethedoc1 @A_Weatherall explain difference between sci capacity and sci literacy please! #asechat

JustinDillonUoB Mar 14 @ 4:07 PM EDT

Unfortunately there are a number of conflicting versions of what scientific literacy means - it's not that useful a term #asechat

dave2004b Mar 14 @ 4:07 PM EDT

.#asechat Student don't necessarily have the time/capacity to be 'scientists', 'historians', 'geographers' during their school day ... 1/2

dave2004b Mar 14 @ 4:08 PM EDT

.# 2/2 but giving them the opportunity to understand and practice some of the skills/habits can I think be done #asechat

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:08 PM EDT

@JustinDillonUoB What versions are there? #asechat

Refthinking Mar 14 @ 4:09 PM EDT

Science iPad app (7-11 yrs) 'Why did Jenny lose her Shadow?' is FREE for #QuestionWeek https://t.co/WqyGjaUImN @GlimmerGuy #asechat

SecretPhysicist Mar 14 @ 4:09 PM EDT

How often do teachers get time to build enquiry skills? Are there time constraint issues? Saw @ThomasCarlPion do this brilliantly #asechat

S_Owlarn Mar 14 @ 4:09 PM EDT

I think it's imp to encourage students to have a good relationship with/not be scared of science, but not necc to become scientists #asechat

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:10 PM EDT

@dave2004b That’s learning to be, rather than being then isn’t it? #asechat

oboelizzy Mar 14 @ 4:11 PM EDT

@JustinDillonUoB Problem with so many terms! we all have different interpretations, we're all humans! #asechat

dave2004b Mar 14 @ 4:11 PM EDT

.@A_Weatherall yes, this is what a broad and balanced liberal education should probably be aiming for #asechat

dave2004b Mar 14 @ 4:12 PM EDT

#asechat Of course those with particular passions can 'be' scientists before they leave school - https://t.co/Coh7JuNjID

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:12 PM EDT

@SecretPhysicist @ThomasCarlPion Tell us more Adam #asechat

JustinDillonUoB Mar 14 @ 4:12 PM EDT

@A_Weatherall #asechat At one end of spectrum, SL can mean knowing science concepts and skills. At other end it's nature of science, etc

stevethedoc1 Mar 14 @ 4:13 PM EDT

@oboelizzy #asechat is that what we want for all? what is science for all as opposed to science for the few who 'work' as scientists?

oboelizzy Mar 14 @ 4:13 PM EDT

Essential that all future scientists understand philosophy of sci #asechat

dave2004b Mar 14 @ 4:13 PM EDT

.@JustinDillonUoB just as numeracy, literacy - these are broad concepts which can be understood/taught/assessed in multiple ways #asechat

SecretPhysicist Mar 14 @ 4:14 PM EDT

@A_Weatherall @ThomasCarlPion Just simple wave speed. Water tank, ruler and stop watch. Students figure it out, change depth etc. #asechat

doc_kristy Mar 14 @ 4:14 PM EDT

@stevethedoc1 @oboelizzy I like that terminology! 'Being a scientist' is to question what you see, good for all students regardless #asechat

S_Owlarn Mar 14 @ 4:16 PM EDT

I think sci literacy/capacity doesn't necessarily mean confidence to discuss/have an opinion on topics in real life though.. #asechat

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:16 PM EDT

@oboelizzy will they learn that as they take it further, when should that be introduced? #asechat (I know what I think)

doc_kristy Mar 14 @ 4:16 PM EDT

@oboelizzy not sure I understand 'philosophy of science' and I'm a scientist...... #asechat

oboelizzy Mar 14 @ 4:17 PM EDT

@A_Weatherall in primary school!! #asechat

dave2004b Mar 14 @ 4:17 PM EDT

.@stevethedoc1 @oboelizzy this is the genesis of the #C21century curriculum from the Beyond 2000 report #asechat https://t.co/z3eRSvaw41

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:18 PM EDT

Indeed the philosophy of science and asking why, not just what is key? Children in primary school get it. #asechat https://t.co/IbAMANvK8Y

oboelizzy Mar 14 @ 4:17 PM EDT

@A_Weatherall in primary school!! #asechat

oboelizzy Mar 14 @ 4:18 PM EDT

@dave2004b @stevethedoc1 and that still has prime position on my bookshelf and I can't understand how we have left it behind! #asechat

stevethedoc1 Mar 14 @ 4:18 PM EDT

@oboelizzy @A_Weatherall #asechat most definately

GlimmerGuy Mar 14 @ 4:19 PM EDT

RT @Refthinking: Science iPad app (7-11 yrs) 'Why did Jenny lose her Shadow?' is FREE for #QuestionWeek https://t.co/5Wb6R6ql9N #asechat

doc_kristy Mar 14 @ 4:20 PM EDT

@A_Weatherall surely it's got to be better? greater freedom, not just teaching whatever will be on the controlled assessment? #asechat

stevethedoc1 Mar 14 @ 4:21 PM EDT

@doc_kristy #asechat that is just the tip[ of the iceberg, need to remember to focus on all that under the surface that enables tip to be it

JustinDillonUoB Mar 14 @ 4:21 PM EDT

Teaching about how science works helps students to appreciate that what science/sci teachers tell them has validity. #asechat

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:22 PM EDT

#asechat Q2 does our new GCSE curriculum help or hinder with this endeavour of developing scientific literacy (or capacity)?

oboelizzy Mar 14 @ 4:23 PM EDT

@JustinDillonUoB True but hope it tells them a lot more than that! #asechat

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:23 PM EDT

What we chatting about ? @A_Weatherall #asechat, can't pick up the thread

stevethedoc1 Mar 14 @ 4:23 PM EDT

@A_Weatherall #asechat can help but focus on tip of iceberg approach hinders

JustinDillonUoB Mar 14 @ 4:23 PM EDT

Good question. It depends on the weighting of the assessment. @A_Weatherall #asechat

cleverfiend Mar 14 @ 4:24 PM EDT

@A_Weatherall we need to start thinking about scientific thinking before gcse. More emphasis on active year scheme? #asechat

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:24 PM EDT

#asechat Was the controlled assessment the only point we taught what “being a scientist was”? I hope not. @doc_kristy

oboelizzy Mar 14 @ 4:24 PM EDT

@NeedhamL56 @A_Weatherall all sorts of things! - philosophy of sci at mo! - my fav - #asechat

doc_kristy Mar 14 @ 4:25 PM EDT

@A_Weatherall no it wasn't but many rightly or wrongly focused on a v narrow range of skills that would be assessed in CA #asechat

JustinDillonUoB Mar 14 @ 4:25 PM EDT

Yes, absolutely. @oboelizzy #asechat

dave2004b Mar 14 @ 4:25 PM EDT

#asechat This links in well with last weeks on mastery, and looking at 11-16 as a whole - development of sci lit/cap over time

stevethedoc1 Mar 14 @ 4:25 PM EDT

@cleverfiend #asechat or continue to think about it post KS2!!!

oboelizzy Mar 14 @ 4:25 PM EDT

@cleverfiend @A_Weatherall definitely agree - what's active year scheme Rob? #asechat

doc_kristy Mar 14 @ 4:25 PM EDT

@A_Weatherall being a scientist is so much more than just those skills (which were mainly chosen for ease of assessment I suspect) #asechat

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:26 PM EDT

@JustinDillonUoB 0% now on controlled assessment - all exam based, but with practicals to be undertaken in class #asechat #factcheck?

dave2004b Mar 14 @ 4:26 PM EDT

#asechat We're seeing the A-level Practical Endorsement allowing much better practical skills development already. Hopefully removal of ...

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:27 PM EDT

Just joined us? #asechat details of discussion here: https://t.co/ifmNwLPEbc

cleverfiend Mar 14 @ 4:27 PM EDT

@oboelizzy @A_Weatherall already starting to think about moving from Activate - I'm impressed by OCR's gimmick free offerings #asechat

doc_kristy Mar 14 @ 4:27 PM EDT

@stevethedoc1 indeed..I teach iGCSE so CA hasn't affected me, though I remember the horrors of cwk all too well from previous jobs #asechat

dave2004b Mar 14 @ 4:27 PM EDT

#asechat ... CA will give teachers more time to focus of skills development

oboelizzy Mar 14 @ 4:28 PM EDT

@cleverfiend @A_Weatherall wonder where you got that from?! time to advertise N+E midlands confs me thinks @theASE #asechat

cleverfiend Mar 14 @ 4:28 PM EDT

@A_Weatherall @JustinDillonUoB the practicals are so students learn the skills (or watch a demo looking at the equipment lists!) #asechat

doc_kristy Mar 14 @ 4:28 PM EDT

@tombennett71 we're all over on #asechat and not paying attention....

doc_kristy Mar 14 @ 4:29 PM EDT

@dave2004b I hate the word 'mastery' #asechat

stevethedoc1 Mar 14 @ 4:29 PM EDT

@dave2004b #asechat #learningfirst a primary revolution taking hold in Sheffield May 21

oboelizzy Mar 14 @ 4:29 PM EDT

@doc_kristy @tombennett71 Yeah - you tell him Kristy! #asechat is where it is at!

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:30 PM EDT

@tombennett71 We're busy #asechat

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:30 PM EDT

@A_Weatherall thanks, I thought I'd missed something, but I hadn't... #asechat

Stuff4TeacherUK Mar 14 @ 4:31 PM EDT

Good evening #asechat and interesting reading about inspiring children to be scientist, along with thoughts on curriculum

dave2004b Mar 14 @ 4:31 PM EDT

.@doc_kristy do expand please #asechat

stevethedoc1 Mar 14 @ 4:31 PM EDT

@doc_kristy @dave2004b #asechat thank goodness that DfE even dropped it because of confusion

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:32 PM EDT

OK #asechat 1/2 way : Q3 What tips do you have for improving your students’ scientific literacy/capacity?

doc_kristy Mar 14 @ 4:33 PM EDT

@dave2004b it just sounds so contrived! #asechat like a load of politicians sat in a room having a 'thought shower'

doc_kristy Mar 14 @ 4:33 PM EDT

@dave2004b honestly I feel like a one woman plain English campaign at times #asechat

JustinDillonUoB Mar 14 @ 4:35 PM EDT

Encourage students to see the purpose of school science experiments might help. Robin Millar has written about that. @A_Weatherall #asechat

oboelizzy Mar 14 @ 4:35 PM EDT

@A_Weatherall focus on philosophy, what and how sci knows, enthusing them to read non fiction txts, need more than 140! #asechat

Refthinking Mar 14 @ 4:37 PM EDT

FREE apps for #QuestionWeek include 'Jenny's Shadow', a brill Science mystery. https://t.co/9bjMLdLVpg @ASEChat #asechat

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:37 PM EDT

#asechat all the questions and most contributions so far are at this link - play along people https://t.co/ifmNwLPEbc

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:37 PM EDT

Try? :) #asechat https://t.co/pvbQl30mUR

oboelizzy Mar 14 @ 4:35 PM EDT

@A_Weatherall focus on philosophy, what and how sci knows, enthusing them to read non fiction txts, need more than 140! #asechat

oboelizzy Mar 14 @ 4:38 PM EDT

@A_Weatherall Get them to realise that sci is a way of looking at the world, it is not set in concrete, it is not all mathematical #asechat

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:38 PM EDT

#asechat Understanding How Science works, lots of help here https://t.co/85idDVp0wW worth checking out your own philosophy of science

dave2004b Mar 14 @ 4:38 PM EDT

.@doc_kristy I certainly agree clear langauge is important - the term certainly opened up good discussions last week #asechat

physicsgirluk Mar 14 @ 4:39 PM EDT

@hrogerson #asechat I know that you have probably already read this but @charlesmtracy in SSR 354 is very helpful https://t.co/POXgcwsrI3

doc_kristy Mar 14 @ 4:39 PM EDT

@A_Weatherall concentrate on questioning (inc take up time) reduce cognitive load of experiments and lots of Qs keep them thinking #asechat

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:39 PM EDT

#asechat - do we agree with this idea? https://t.co/XXRAu08Tl4 One of my favourite points about scientific understanding.

JustinDillonUoB Mar 14 @ 4:39 PM EDT

I do wonder whether we need to re-establish the purposes of science education. Beyond, Beyond 2000 perhaps? Beyond 2020? #asechat

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:41 PM EDT

#asechat just so long as we don't go down the well trodden line of "jobs that don't exist yet". That's not why sci. https://t.co/dPQbqLEGtD

JustinDillonUoB Mar 14 @ 4:39 PM EDT

I do wonder whether we need to re-establish the purposes of science education. Beyond, Beyond 2000 perhaps? Beyond 2020? #asechat

stevethedoc1 Mar 14 @ 4:42 PM EDT

@JustinDillonUoB #asechat is it re-establish or get all on board Beyond 2000 in first place?

dave2004b Mar 14 @ 4:42 PM EDT

#asechat @A_Weatherall This reminded me of my absolute favourite Feynman interview https://t.co/UKvOuhmWR7 https://t.co/Jg3EcCTV7t

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:39 PM EDT

#asechat - do we agree with this idea? https://t.co/XXRAu08Tl4 One of my favourite points about scientific understanding.

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:42 PM EDT

We are drowning under a sea of content @JustinDillonUoB can't see the wood for the trees.. #mixedmetaphors #asechat

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:43 PM EDT

@dave2004b yes yes yes #asechat mine too. Simple questions might need complex answers. For that we use science and develop our understanding

JustinDillonUoB Mar 14 @ 4:43 PM EDT

Good pt. @stevethedoc1 for those too young... https://t.co/VcVxyOnVR7 #asechat

stevethedoc1 Mar 14 @ 4:44 PM EDT

@NeedhamL56 @JustinDillonUoB #asechat call to arms #LearningFirst

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:44 PM EDT

And #asechat, why science reminds me of this wonderful resource from @alomshaha https://t.co/hW7mNhUzHN A goldmine of points of view.

JustinDillonUoB Mar 14 @ 4:45 PM EDT

Don't you think that there will be jobs that we don't have now in 25 years? @A_Weatherall #asechat

oboelizzy Mar 14 @ 4:46 PM EDT

@JustinDillonUoB @A_Weatherall agree - we need to plan for the unknown #asechat

ClevedonScience Mar 14 @ 4:46 PM EDT

VIDEO: Dinosaur find resolves T-rex mystery https://t.co/ACwbHEUxBS #asechat #scichat

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:47 PM EDT

@JustinDillonUoB yes but not loads. History suggests otherwise. Only new job in last 50 years is computer programmer. #asechat

Glazgow Mar 14 @ 4:47 PM EDT

Lots of discussion & debate, mini projects researching current science use Topical Science Updates too https://t.co/EGcP3YJHJX #asechat

dave2004b Mar 14 @ 4:48 PM EDT

@A_Weatherall And a great part of teaching - my fav A-level Chem lesson start with "What is light?" - excellent discussions ensue #asechat

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:49 PM EDT

@oboelizzy @JustinDillonUoB #asechat and how, may I ask ;), do we plan to plan for the unknown?

Glazgow Mar 14 @ 4:49 PM EDT

My class are currently finding interesting science videos online to share in class next week #homework #asechat

dave2004b Mar 14 @ 4:49 PM EDT

@A_Weatherall @oboelizzy @JustinDillonUoB - the circle back to the broad liberal education #asechat

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:50 PM EDT

@A_Weatherall @JustinDillonUoB I'm sure that our ways of working in existing jobs is changing even if the jobs are not #asechat

oboelizzy Mar 14 @ 4:50 PM EDT

@A_Weatherall @JustinDillonUoB yeah well - good question - keep attending ASE confs ??!!!! :) #asechat

JustinDillonUoB Mar 14 @ 4:51 PM EDT

Which history is that? https://t.co/4HuRExnjm1 @A_Weatherall #asechat

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:53 PM EDT

@JustinDillonUoB Engineer, Danceteacher, Computer programmer, Assessor/Advisor, and PR #asechat only one new one :)

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:54 PM EDT

@NeedhamL56 @JustinDillonUoB that's different :) #asechat

JustinDillonUoB Mar 14 @ 4:54 PM EDT

Teach students that the world will change - teach resilience and don't stifle creativity @A_Weatherall @oboelizzy #asechat

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:55 PM EDT

That's perfect :) #asechat The world will change, and in some aspects very quickly - esp around technology. https://t.co/EaA4rLgWCf

JustinDillonUoB Mar 14 @ 4:54 PM EDT

Teach students that the world will change - teach resilience and don't stifle creativity @A_Weatherall @oboelizzy #asechat

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:55 PM EDT

@JustinDillonUoB @oboelizzy I like that :) #asechat

JustinDillonUoB Mar 14 @ 4:56 PM EDT

It's not the job title it's the knowledge and skills that are different @A_Weatherall #asechat

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:56 PM EDT

#asechat - no time for Q4 - but a stimulating discussion. Please allow me to sum up? And keep contributing of course.

Glazgow Mar 14 @ 4:57 PM EDT

Kids have an innate interest in the world and want to explore, best discussion starts with an 'out of the blue question'... #asechat

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:57 PM EDT

#asechat How are teachers helping students to learn to be scientists? We started to tackle what we mean by be a scientist.

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:57 PM EDT

@JustinDillonUoB @A_Weatherall think that's what I meant! #asechat

JustinDillonUoB Mar 14 @ 4:58 PM EDT

And there's more https://t.co/tJj4tZpgW8 @A_Weatherall #asechat

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:58 PM EDT

#asechat We looked at the idea of scientific literacy, and capacity. No one mentioned employability (at that point).

Glazgow Mar 14 @ 4:58 PM EDT

...followed by music/drama being ditched for an hour of discussion and Google searching until they're satisfied with the answer #asechat

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:59 PM EDT

#asechat sorry my wifi very slow, or my fruit tablet playing up.. Couldn't seem to get into the discussion tonight, thanks @A_Weatherall

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 4:59 PM EDT

#asechat comments on enquiry and practical skills of a scientist. But overall view is understanding science more imp than becoming scientist

JustinDillonUoB Mar 14 @ 5:00 PM EDT

Great to chat, thanks Alex and all #asechat @A_Weatherall

oboelizzy Mar 14 @ 5:00 PM EDT

Thanks so much for hosting Alex - was good - #asechat

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 5:00 PM EDT

#asechat move away from CA at GCSE is positive as practicals are taught in class for the science, not the assessment.

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 5:01 PM EDT

#asechat Enquiry, philosophy of science, questions, investigations, why not what, etc etc seem to be the key tools for building SL.

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 5:02 PM EDT

#asechat Some feel (as do I) that the new curriculum is too full of content. But we'll find a way to work with it.

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 5:02 PM EDT

#asechat Primary school and encouraging scientific thinking into secondary school is key

LeoToAquarius Mar 14 @ 5:02 PM EDT

@A_Weatherall #asechat all things buried under the mile wide maths and science NC and Pos for GCSE less in more depth would be far better

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 5:03 PM EDT

#asechat And jobs are going to change ;)

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 14 @ 5:03 PM EDT

#asechat The overview is here: https://t.co/ifmNwLPEbc Thanks for all your contributions :)