#ASEchat Archive

The Association for Science Education (ASE) promotes excellence in science teaching and learning. Follow #ASEchat Mondays at 3pm ET.
Monday October 9, 2017
3:00 PM EDT
  • participatechat Oct 9 @ 3:00 PM EDT
    Participate in the upcoming #ASEchat by sharing resources and collaborating at https://t.co/mKOeusFf0N
  • ViciaScience Oct 9 @ 3:00 PM EDT
    Which one to start? #ASEchat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @CLEAPSS
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:02 PM EDT
    Right #asechat top tips for improving a scheme of work you've inherited. You have 15mins Go!
  • MarcNeesam Oct 9 @ 3:03 PM EDT
    #ASEchat A q: what are we defining as a scheme of work?
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • ViciaScience Oct 9 @ 3:03 PM EDT
    Look to see balance in all things - topics, practical, maths, activities etc #ASEchat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:04 PM EDT
    Getting a balance is hard. How to start #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Oct 9 @ 3:05 PM EDT
    Map out topics, firstly by year then half term. Check for overlap and omissions #ASEchat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:05 PM EDT
    I've come to the conclusion I'm actually not very good at this. I spend my time going down rabbit holes then don't get it done. #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Oct 9 @ 3:06 PM EDT
    Its hard, but need a clear vision of what trying to achieve - big picture stuff. Then checking gets easier. #ASEchat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:07 PM EDT
    Don't do what I tried last year and interleave a new scheme. Not a great plan. Abandoned half way through. Too many barriers #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:08 PM EDT
    Let's narrow this down. A scheme of work for the new GCSEs - 7 mins - go ;) #asechat
    • MarcNeesam Oct 9 @ 3:03 PM EDT
      #ASEchat A q: what are we defining as a scheme of work?
      In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • stevethedoc1 Oct 9 @ 3:08 PM EDT
    #asechat no, need clear expectation it will be done, then set about setting oops to ensure no distraction, it must be completed
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @A_Weatherall
  • SKLchem Oct 9 @ 3:08 PM EDT
    #asechat 1/2 discuss with colleagues as you teach; share ideas; share & collate resources; trial & adapt ideas others have used;
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @ViciaScience
  • SKLchem Oct 9 @ 3:09 PM EDT
    #asechat 2/2 search teachit science at start of topic for ideas - some good T/F activities to adapt & use as diagnostic activities
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @ViciaScience
  • doc_kristy Oct 9 @ 3:09 PM EDT
    Look at what comes out of assessments, for any weaknesses SoW could be contributing to, critical eye (let me find my blog on this) #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • ViciaScience Oct 9 @ 3:09 PM EDT
    It needs to have a coherent thread, at least from teacher perspective, so big ideas introduced then explored in various topics #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:09 PM EDT
    To my shame I'm still working through it. #asechat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @ViciaScience
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:10 PM EDT
    Don't forget the #asechat @jsamuelcjohnson
    • jsamuelcjohnson Oct 9 @ 3:09 PM EDT
      Go with it for a year. Change gradually. Next year plan 1. Summative asmts 2. Standard formative asmts based on common misconceptions.
      In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • stevethedoc1 Oct 9 @ 3:10 PM EDT
    #asechat what with all your online work organising tools!!!!!
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @ViciaScience
  • _theteachr Oct 9 @ 3:10 PM EDT
    I think you need a framework to start. An off the shelf one. Then adapt and improve. Really impractical to write your own SOW #ASEchat
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:11 PM EDT
    Don't even go there. It's a sore point #asechat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Oct 9 @ 3:11 PM EDT
    Start big broad brushstrokes and complete this quickly. Then go back and put in more detail #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @stevethedoc1
  • MarcNeesam Oct 9 @ 3:11 PM EDT
    Ah... does scheme of work = detailed lessons or bank of activities mapped against LOs to dip into. Is it Short or medium term etc #ASEchat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:11 PM EDT
    Too many distractions #asechat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @ViciaScience
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 9 @ 3:11 PM EDT
    Spreadsheet! Lessons down side, columns for b,c,p/skill/practical/maths etc, will show but lumps and gaps? #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @ViciaScience
  • jsamuelcjohnson Oct 9 @ 3:12 PM EDT
    #ASEChat
    • jsamuelcjohnson Oct 9 @ 3:11 PM EDT
      Then your full learning journey. Then pick somewhere to start. Actually, sorry, first: agree on a vision to underpin the curriculum.
      In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • stevethedoc1 Oct 9 @ 3:12 PM EDT
    #asechat ensure you have a place or method for sharing/ collaborating as year progresses, even if it is a high tech cardboard box
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @ViciaScience
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:13 PM EDT
    Yes there are two basic versions of a SoW - pick up and teach (within reason) or well resourced set of mapped LOs #asechat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:13 PM EDT
    #asechat
    • jsamuelcjohnson Oct 9 @ 3:11 PM EDT
      Then your full learning journey. Then pick somewhere to start. Actually, sorry, first: agree on a vision to underpin the curriculum.
      In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • _theteachr Oct 9 @ 3:14 PM EDT
    Have written a few schemes of work in the past. Always like reinventing the wheel and often not used. Textbooks/worksheets favoured #ASEchat
  • ViciaScience Oct 9 @ 3:14 PM EDT
    You should be able to draw it on a single side - mind map, tube map, flow chart, list whatever your preference #ASEchat
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:14 PM EDT
    Who has collaborated with other schools to produce their GCSE schemes of work? #asechat
  • stevethedoc1 Oct 9 @ 3:14 PM EDT
    #asechat guess this depends on skill/ creativity of deptAND trust of dept head in team
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @MarcNeesam
  • RoySocChem Oct 9 @ 3:15 PM EDT
    Teachers: help students understand mass spec fragmentation with an extract from our analytical CPD course #ASEChat https://t.co/ssNFIkzFfi
  • SKLchem Oct 9 @ 3:15 PM EDT
    #asechat - Save student work to use as exemplars - anonymised of course
  • MarcNeesam Oct 9 @ 3:15 PM EDT
    A well written textbook can be equal to a SoW? #ASEchat (or even better?)
    In reply to @_theteachr
  • _theteachr Oct 9 @ 3:16 PM EDT
    The specification is really important. Choose SOW that follows it, but remember publishers are not often teachers - adapt it. #ASEchat
  • ViciaScience Oct 9 @ 3:16 PM EDT
    Could you name a well written text that you would use as basis for SoL? #ASEchat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @_theteachr
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:16 PM EDT
    More important is quality assurance for the students that they're all getting a similar diet no matter who teaches them. #asechat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @MarcNeesam
  • MarcNeesam Oct 9 @ 3:16 PM EDT
    Both types have different purposes and uses - is one type better or preferred? Does it depend how long you've been teaching? #ASEchat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • ViciaScience Oct 9 @ 3:17 PM EDT
    I agree with quality assurance. I do not agree all pupils should get same diet. #ASEchat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @stevethedoc1, @MarcNeesam
  • stevethedoc1 Oct 9 @ 3:17 PM EDT
    #asechat similar OR appropriate diet. Trust
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @MarcNeesam
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:18 PM EDT
    Do you ever get the feeling we're all doing more or less the same thing in sci depts up and down the country? (Redesigning wheels?) #asechat
  • MarcNeesam Oct 9 @ 3:18 PM EDT
    Not off the top of my head (but I don't know enough textbooks to judge) but it should be possible if not already done? #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @_theteachr
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:18 PM EDT
    Did I say same? :o) #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @stevethedoc1, @MarcNeesam
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 9 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    Or just not doing it. I've seen the spec just taught on spec order. If the spec was A-Z would we teach in that order? #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • ViciaScience Oct 9 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    I would be hard pushed! Sounds plausible but seems difficult to achieve the perfect textbook #ASEchat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @_theteachr
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 9 @ 3:20 PM EDT
    I like doing it for a topic though, taking it apart and putting it back together helps me know it to teach it. #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • MrsDrSarah Oct 9 @ 3:20 PM EDT
    Maybe - and topic - I adapt even fully planned lessons to my style. Have to say, I do this less with Phys topics though. #asechat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @A_Weatherall
  • MarcNeesam Oct 9 @ 3:20 PM EDT
    #ASEchat like this? https://t.co/zvtp8dKilt
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • stevethedoc1 Oct 9 @ 3:20 PM EDT
    #asechat would we know what to do OR what would we find out if we were NOT reinventing the wheel constantly?
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • SKLchem Oct 9 @ 3:20 PM EDT
    #asechat - not quite but shared ques mapping to support req. pracs; head of sci n/work mtg tomorro to work on common POS 4 low attainers
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:20 PM EDT
    evening all, did you all agree what we mean by a Scheme of learning? (or is it work? ) #ASEchat
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:21 PM EDT
    No - and that's what I tried last year. I/we weren't ready. The physics order is not great. But boards have provided summ. ass. #asechat
    In reply to @mrbakerphysics
  • mrsjmclark Oct 9 @ 3:21 PM EDT
    Using marshmallows, pipe cleaners, cork and ping pong balls to model the fluid mosaic model today with Year 12! #ASEChat
  • MrsDrSarah Oct 9 @ 3:21 PM EDT
    #asechat I wish that when different people are doing different lesson sequences we could have 'house style' of ppt/worksheet/etc!
  • ViciaScience Oct 9 @ 3:21 PM EDT
    Exactly similar to that although I did not warm to this particular example. From OCR perspective is a spec to be used as a SoL? #ASEchat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:22 PM EDT
    Maybe thats a bigger Q? What possessed the boards to do this? No matter how many health warnings about the data, grasping at straws #ASEchat
    • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:21 PM EDT
      No - and that's what I tried last year. I/we weren't ready. The physics order is not great. But boards have provided summ. ass. #asechat
      In reply to @mrbakerphysics
  • ViciaScience Oct 9 @ 3:23 PM EDT
    Neither can I. There are times when I revert to textbooks, but often just used for setting work for absent colleagues. #ASEchat
    In reply to @_theteachr, @MarcNeesam
  • MarcNeesam Oct 9 @ 3:23 PM EDT
    Excellent question for @ndbrning #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @ndbrning
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 9 @ 3:23 PM EDT
    I'd love to write a SoW that covers the spec with history of science in order of discovery. You'd get a real sense of how it joins. #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:23 PM EDT
    Well yes, should be a given, non-negotiable #ASEchat
    • MrsDrSarah Oct 9 @ 3:21 PM EDT
      #asechat I wish that when different people are doing different lesson sequences we could have 'house style' of ppt/worksheet/etc!
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:24 PM EDT
    Cute - is it possible to follow? There is an element of timing to factor in. #asechat
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 9 @ 3:24 PM EDT
    Yes! A house style! And worksheets should fit on 1/2, whole, 2 or 4 sides of paper! #asechat
    In reply to @MrsDrSarah
  • X29TMM Oct 9 @ 3:25 PM EDT
    At my last school, standardised format of ppt for each lesson. Written collaboratively, good for when teaching out of specialism.#asechat
    In reply to @MrsDrSarah
  • ViciaScience Oct 9 @ 3:25 PM EDT
    Agreed - not just to keep tidy, but makes it easier for all to follow if can adopt the same templates. #ASEchat
    In reply to @MrsDrSarah
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:25 PM EDT
    Unfortunately this is what takes the most amount of time and effort to set up ahead of time #asechat (Also which font? ;) )
    • MrsDrSarah Oct 9 @ 3:21 PM EDT
      #asechat I wish that when different people are doing different lesson sequences we could have 'house style' of ppt/worksheet/etc!
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 9 @ 3:26 PM EDT
    Lots of businesses manage it. Saves lots of faff and arguments down the line. #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • whitebug16 Oct 9 @ 3:26 PM EDT
    and then a new HoD/new initiative and you end up re-writing them anyway #asechat #cynic
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • doc_kristy Oct 9 @ 3:26 PM EDT
    Chemistry for you would be my choice #asechat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @ViciaScience, @_theteachr
  • MrsDrSarah Oct 9 @ 3:26 PM EDT
    I'm not going to get in to #fontwars, but style sheets are a pain in the bum to argue but huge timesaver later. #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • stevethedoc1 Oct 9 @ 3:26 PM EDT
    #asechat but for whose benefit teacher or pupil?
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 9 @ 3:27 PM EDT
    Would also (largely) solve the issue of dependency, as things were discovered in a logical order. #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • _theteachr Oct 9 @ 3:27 PM EDT
    Using sow/sol is painting by numbers. But it can be stepping stone to real “art”. No such thing as perfect SoL, so need to adapt . #ASEchat
  • ViciaScience Oct 9 @ 3:27 PM EDT
    I would encourage you to have a go if time. The spec is a list of assessed items, and schools should be adding their own contexts #ASEchat
    In reply to @mrbakerphysics, @A_Weatherall
  • MrsDrSarah Oct 9 @ 3:27 PM EDT
    And useful for students who have multiple teachers - same formatting helps routine expectations. #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • MarcNeesam Oct 9 @ 3:27 PM EDT
    If most of science is 'core' and consistent between curricula and boards is there a general SoW that can be made and then adapted? #ASEChat
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:28 PM EDT
    That's true, but it still requires an upfront cost that few are keen to be involved in - they also evolve - mutate over time #asechat
    In reply to @MrsDrSarah
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 9 @ 3:28 PM EDT
    Indeed! It says exactly that in the blurb at the front of the spec no one else reads. #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @A_Weatherall
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:28 PM EDT
    Like a QCA SoW? ;) #asechat
    • MarcNeesam Oct 9 @ 3:27 PM EDT
      If most of science is 'core' and consistent between curricula and boards is there a general SoW that can be made and then adapted? #ASEChat
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:28 PM EDT
    I guess the simpler the better, but then aesthetics start to play a part #asechat
    In reply to @MrsDrSarah
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:29 PM EDT
    Are we on Q2 yet? @A_Weatherall #asechat
  • MarcNeesam Oct 9 @ 3:29 PM EDT
    #ASEchat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • cleverfiend Oct 9 @ 3:29 PM EDT
    That's the beauty of teaching most of science in school. I do use a template and very similar design for everything 😀 #ASEchat
    In reply to @MrsDrSarah, @ViciaScience
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:29 PM EDT
    NO - I've taken an executive decision to let this play out #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Oct 9 @ 3:30 PM EDT
    Your ITT NQT will have been given suitable templates if uni route #ASEchat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @MrsDrSarah
  • X29TMM Oct 9 @ 3:30 PM EDT
    Thats how ours worked, title, LO's and starter tasks all presented same way across whole dept.#asechat
    In reply to @MrsDrSarah, @ViciaScience
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:30 PM EDT
    #asechat - OK lets move on to Independent learning tips. 15 mins GO
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:31 PM EDT
    specific to learning science? #asechat
  • MrsDrSarah Oct 9 @ 3:31 PM EDT
    Whereas for my new sch, scheme writing was divided up across whole dept - every sequence style is different! #asechat
    In reply to @X29TMM, @ViciaScience
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:32 PM EDT
    Which will be different to what the rest of the department uses so they abandon them #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MrsDrSarah
  • ViciaScience Oct 9 @ 3:32 PM EDT
    Read #ASEchat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 9 @ 3:32 PM EDT
    Indeed! Still a huge hangover from modular exams in science departments! #asechat
    In reply to @RequireImprove, @A_Weatherall
  • allchet94 Oct 9 @ 3:32 PM EDT
    To improve SOW, can use spaced retrieval in HWs, weekly quizzes and topic assessments...builds up knowledge rather than isolates #asechat
  • dave2004b Oct 9 @ 3:32 PM EDT
    No - the specification is what is assessed at the end - the Scheme of Learning can and should be broader than this. #ASEchat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @ViciaScience, @ndbrning
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:32 PM EDT
    school boy error ;) #asechat
    In reply to @MrsDrSarah, @X29TMM, @ViciaScience
  • MrsDrSarah Oct 9 @ 3:32 PM EDT
    The schemes have been really well planned, but the variety is making my head spin a bit. #asechat
    In reply to @X29TMM, @ViciaScience
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:32 PM EDT
    I want independent History learning tips. #asechat YES Science :)
  • stevethedoc1 Oct 9 @ 3:32 PM EDT
    #asechat but I thought we had just got to the point we have identical plans, do it the same for all!!!!
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • MarcNeesam Oct 9 @ 3:32 PM EDT
    How independent is independent learning when we want to teach science is a collaborative discipline? #ASEchat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • dave2004b Oct 9 @ 3:33 PM EDT
    I know that more often than not the spec and the SoL become synonymous, but perhaps in a couple of yrs when we're used to .... #asechat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @ViciaScience, @ndbrning
  • SKLchem Oct 9 @ 3:33 PM EDT
    #asechat worked very hard last yr at getting my a-level chems to self assess all hwk before handing in; used diff. colour so they/I cld see
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:33 PM EDT
    Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in awhile, you could miss it #asechat NEXT Q!
    In reply to @stevethedoc1
  • dave2004b Oct 9 @ 3:33 PM EDT
    ... the new specs/exams/practical arrangements people will broaden out and develop a fuller SoW. I think first time through... #ASEchat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @ViciaScience, @ndbrning
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:34 PM EDT
    I’m very tired! sorry chuck #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • ViciaScience Oct 9 @ 3:34 PM EDT
    What can we do to stop the spec become the teaching blueprint? (Or is it too late?) #ASEchat
    In reply to @dave2004b, @MarcNeesam, @ndbrning
  • dave2004b Oct 9 @ 3:34 PM EDT
    .... most people stick close to spec until they have seen 1st exams, then have confid. Also, linear and no CA should give more time #asechat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @ViciaScience, @ndbrning
  • MrsDrSarah Oct 9 @ 3:35 PM EDT
    Would be interested in ideas - one of my plans for this year is to stretch my triples with end of topic independent learning work. #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:35 PM EDT
    They have to /learn/ what we've taught them fairly independently (i.e. independent of teacher) - this can still be a collaboration #asechat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:35 PM EDT
    Id go for "independent of the teacher," doesn’t mean they can be working collaboratively #asechat
    • MarcNeesam Oct 9 @ 3:32 PM EDT
      How independent is independent learning when we want to teach science is a collaborative discipline? #ASEchat
      In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • stevethedoc1 Oct 9 @ 3:35 PM EDT
    #asechat think first why are we there exam grade or science learning?
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @dave2004b, @MarcNeesam, @ndbrning
  • mrsjmclark Oct 9 @ 3:35 PM EDT
    Our department has an independent learning station in each lab with extension activities courtesy of @mrdavidwatkins #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @mrdavidwatkins
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:35 PM EDT
    Don't apologise - I'm trying to run a tight #asechat ship. ...
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 9 @ 3:35 PM EDT
    By being more ambitious in schools. Teaching around and above the spec helps students anyway, as the exam asked questions not on #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @dave2004b, @MarcNeesam, @ndbrning
  • dave2004b Oct 9 @ 3:35 PM EDT
    At GCSE yes, and I like the Chemistry in Context for A level, supported by Jim Clark and #isaacchemistry of course! #ASEchat
    In reply to @doc_kristy, @MarcNeesam, @ViciaScience, @_theteachr
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    It's too late - as we're on Q2 #asechat :)
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @dave2004b, @MarcNeesam, @ndbrning
  • MrsDrSarah Oct 9 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    This year I'm marking harshly then getting A Level kids to use mark scheme to correct themselves - hopefully more independent?! #asechat
    In reply to @SKLchem
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 9 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    spec. I showed my y12 chocolate melting in microwave to show interference, came up in exam. Not on spec, but helped them! #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @dave2004b, @MarcNeesam, @ndbrning
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    How does that work for you? #asechat
    In reply to @mrsjmclark, @mrdavidwatkins
  • SKLchem Oct 9 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    #asechat get them to find examples of how topic is applied - catalyst has some good articles; or get them to review said articles and share?
    • MrsDrSarah Oct 9 @ 3:35 PM EDT
      Would be interested in ideas - one of my plans for this year is to stretch my triples with end of topic independent learning work. #asechat
      In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • whitebug16 Oct 9 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    when there's not enough time to teach the spec, how can you teach wider? #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @dave2004b, @MarcNeesam, @ndbrning
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:37 PM EDT
    Former #asechat
    In reply to @Ange_K1
  • SJC_74 Oct 9 @ 3:37 PM EDT
    Our A level folk follow a formal framework to make notes before we teach a topic. They like it and makes lessons much more dynamic #ASEChat
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:37 PM EDT
    I can still swim after it #asechat
    In reply to @MrsDrSarah, @NeedhamL56
  • MrsDrSarah Oct 9 @ 3:37 PM EDT
    That's a brilliant idea, thanks! #asechat
    In reply to @SKLchem
  • mrsjmclark Oct 9 @ 3:37 PM EDT
    Great for pupils that finish set class work tasks and are able to help themselves to an extension task to get on with. #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @mrdavidwatkins
  • dave2004b Oct 9 @ 3:38 PM EDT
    This'll take time to work through - after the first exams - that'll be when people start to diverge from the textbooks. #ASEchat
    In reply to @mrbakerphysics, @RequireImprove, @A_Weatherall
  • SKLchem Oct 9 @ 3:38 PM EDT
    #asechat link to catalyst https://t.co/Hd8PrF4bDK
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:38 PM EDT
    After the confidence settles in again #asechat
    • dave2004b Oct 9 @ 3:38 PM EDT
      This'll take time to work through - after the first exams - that'll be when people start to diverge from the textbooks. #ASEchat
      In reply to @mrbakerphysics, @RequireImprove, @A_Weatherall
  • SKLchem Oct 9 @ 3:39 PM EDT
    #asechat - how about analysing performance in terms of types of ques & topics; then they find more of the same for their weaker areas
    • staffdb66 Oct 9 @ 3:38 PM EDT
      I just set the year 13s the AQA paper one as a 2 hour mock in school time... they have a lot of corrections so will be very independent!!!
      In reply to @MrsDrSarah, @SKLchem
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 9 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    Should do it before, the exam won't all be about the textbook! #asechat
    In reply to @dave2004b, @RequireImprove, @A_Weatherall
  • mrsjmclark Oct 9 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    The A Level CPAC 5 is good for this I think - planning a practical for HW is great for independence and research skills #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • MarcNeesam Oct 9 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    Learners to be independent of teacher takes years to develop. Does it/shd it start in primary? Does transition set learners back? #ASEchat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • RequireImprove Oct 9 @ 3:41 PM EDT
    I hope so. If we collectively remember how to; in the modular days, there was little point in changing order much. #ASEChat
    In reply to @dave2004b, @mrbakerphysics, @A_Weatherall
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:41 PM EDT
    We set Y10 and 11 guided independent revision with accompanying PP Q for weekly homework #asechat - (Starting to bed in now.)
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 9 @ 3:42 PM EDT
    A level physics get exam Qs in booklet for homework, have to mark and fix for it to be considered done. Works well. #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • ViciaScience Oct 9 @ 3:42 PM EDT
    Well organised small group discussion is a form of independent learning that can be used with all age groups #ASEchat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @NeedhamL56
  • mrsjmclark Oct 9 @ 3:43 PM EDT
    Setting some flipped learning homeworks as well so pupils learn a new topic on their own? #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • dave2004b Oct 9 @ 3:43 PM EDT
    Indeed not, but there is a great tendency for people to stick close to endorsed textbooks first time round. #ASEchat
    In reply to @mrbakerphysics, @RequireImprove, @A_Weatherall
  • stevethedoc1 Oct 9 @ 3:43 PM EDT
    #asechat guess it does start in primary but when does it stop or pause?
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @NeedhamL56
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:43 PM EDT
    Right then #asechat - the last Q was is there too much maths in the science GCSE - 5 mins before @CLEAPSS gatecrash.
  • stevethedoc1 Oct 9 @ 3:44 PM EDT
    #asechat only since that ASE publication!!!
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @CLEAPSS
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:44 PM EDT
    I'm doing that with Energy resources - booklet for them to do as extra homework - not pre-topic but alongside #asechat
    In reply to @mrsjmclark
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 9 @ 3:44 PM EDT
    Write-ups good homework too! More bothered ones can research history of experiment, uses of result and improvements #asechat
    In reply to @mrsjmclark, @A_Weatherall
  • ViciaScience Oct 9 @ 3:45 PM EDT
    We are now on Q3 Keep up #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @mrsjmclark
  • dave2004b Oct 9 @ 3:45 PM EDT
    Perhaps-some schools still using AS and students off timetable.Lots of different ways to tackle though e.g. https://t.co/PrAK4V7G3K #asechat
    In reply to @ndbrning, @whitebug16, @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:45 PM EDT
    When the teacher doesn’t trust them to be independent. Probably in Y7 second science lesson #asechat after the rules chat;)
    • stevethedoc1 Oct 9 @ 3:43 PM EDT
      #asechat guess it does start in primary but when does it stop or pause?
      In reply to @MarcNeesam, @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Oct 9 @ 3:46 PM EDT
    Has the amount of mathematics increased significantly in 2016 science GCSE specs, or has the invisibility cloak been removed? #asechat
  • dave2004b Oct 9 @ 3:46 PM EDT
    Latter in our hearts, but with former driving pay and progression etc hard for many to follow their hearts #asechat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam, @ndbrning
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 9 @ 3:47 PM EDT
    I think about right. Not enough maths in old physics GCSE imo. #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @CLEAPSS
  • stevethedoc1 Oct 9 @ 3:47 PM EDT
    #asechat actually before that rules lesson given the style
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:47 PM EDT
    Q3 Is there too much maths - IMHO: No not for confident students. Yes for the students who have struggled with maths through KS123 #asechat
  • MrsDrSarah Oct 9 @ 3:47 PM EDT
    Not too much, but I think we need to get our heads round how it embeds throughout. #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @CLEAPSS
  • DRBAstro Oct 9 @ 3:48 PM EDT
    Got to agree with you there. #ASEChat
    In reply to @mrbakerphysics, @A_Weatherall, @CLEAPSS
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:48 PM EDT
    Crazy crazy world #asechat
    In reply to @dave2004b, @stevethedoc1, @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam, @ndbrning
  • ViciaScience Oct 9 @ 3:48 PM EDT
    Perhaps we as science teachers are now in a better place to support those struggling students? #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • mrsjmclark Oct 9 @ 3:48 PM EDT
    Not too much if we want to prepare pupils for A Level. #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @CLEAPSS
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 9 @ 3:48 PM EDT
    Yes, it has increased (vectors and suvat?), But you're right, lots was 'disgused' before - tangents for acceleration etc. #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Oct 9 @ 3:49 PM EDT
    so what is new in terms of mathematics in the physics GCSE? #asechat
    In reply to @mrbakerphysics, @A_Weatherall, @CLEAPSS
  • MarcNeesam Oct 9 @ 3:49 PM EDT
    A rule I think should be in place: the maths demand of science should be the maths learners had 2 years previous so they are secure #ASEchat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 9 @ 3:50 PM EDT
    We need to explicitly teach the maths we need, or work with maths departments to make sure they have in time, and how they teach it #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • MrsDrSarah Oct 9 @ 3:50 PM EDT
    Is it not the maths as such but the formulae memorisation? #asechat #notaphysicist
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @mrbakerphysics, @A_Weatherall, @CLEAPSS
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:50 PM EDT
    Interesting that @ofqual had to make it a requirement for ABs to address, before the implicit became explicit. #specpageswedontread #asechat
    • mrbakerphysics Oct 9 @ 3:48 PM EDT
      Yes, it has increased (vectors and suvat?), But you're right, lots was 'disgused' before - tangents for acceleration etc. #asechat
      In reply to @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Oct 9 @ 3:51 PM EDT
    Unfortunately in many schools not all students are taught the same mathematics in each set #asechat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @A_Weatherall
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:51 PM EDT
    That's not maths thats memorisation - it's not classed as maths points by OfQual either. Recall formula not maths content #asechat
    In reply to @MrsDrSarah, @ViciaScience, @mrbakerphysics, @CLEAPSS
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 9 @ 3:51 PM EDT
    Vectors and suvat new. More things emphasised. More rearranging. No marks for formula sheet surfing or multiplying both numbers! #asechat
    In reply to @MrsDrSarah, @ViciaScience, @A_Weatherall, @CLEAPSS
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:51 PM EDT
    ARGGGGGHHH #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • ViciaScience Oct 9 @ 3:52 PM EDT
    Ah. Does memorisation come with familiarity? If we used formulae earlier for example? #asechat
    In reply to @MrsDrSarah, @mrbakerphysics, @A_Weatherall, @CLEAPSS
  • MrsDrSarah Oct 9 @ 3:52 PM EDT
    That would be ideal. And making sure both maths & sci depts are speaking the same language. #asechat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @A_Weatherall
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:52 PM EDT
    Or whole subcohorts are put onto foundation so don't learn all the stuff they need for science #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:52 PM EDT
    I thought it was something like this ish. Foundation papers no more challenge than Ks3 maths. Higher no more than Fnd Maths #asechat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @A_Weatherall
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 9 @ 3:53 PM EDT
    Yup, hugely streamed in places I've seen. #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam, @A_Weatherall
  • ViciaScience Oct 9 @ 3:53 PM EDT
    Thanks - useful to know #asechat
    In reply to @mrbakerphysics, @MrsDrSarah, @A_Weatherall, @CLEAPSS
  • stevethedoc1 Oct 9 @ 3:53 PM EDT
    #asechat perhaps same teacher for both!!!???
    In reply to @MrsDrSarah, @MarcNeesam, @A_Weatherall
  • MarcNeesam Oct 9 @ 3:53 PM EDT
    How many marks in exams are really assessing maths rather than science? Does that matter? #asechat
  • ndbrning Oct 9 @ 3:53 PM EDT
    Collaboration with maths depts definitely key. Not ideal for students to encounter maths concepts for 1st time in sci lessons. #asechat
    In reply to @mrbakerphysics, @A_Weatherall
  • ndbrning Oct 9 @ 3:54 PM EDT
    Also takes away from sci teaching time if maths concepts have to be taught from scratch #asechat
    In reply to @mrbakerphysics, @A_Weatherall
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:54 PM EDT
    We've fitted a lot into this evening's chat #asechat Now it's time for a public safety announcement from @CLEAPSS https://t.co/VlDXWeu7kZ
  • dave2004b Oct 9 @ 3:54 PM EDT
    I've found this in the new school - haven't taught for two years so into new specs, and remembering how to teach-books are helping #asechat
    In reply to @RequireImprove, @mrbakerphysics, @A_Weatherall
  • CLEAPSS Oct 9 @ 3:54 PM EDT
    Thanks to @A_Weatherall & @theASE for letting us gatecrash #asechat tonight, but we have some some important news to share. #asechat
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 9 @ 3:54 PM EDT
    I think it's fine; if the teacher knows they're the first. It's the "oh, you guys can't do this?" moment that sucks for everyone. #asechat
    In reply to @ndbrning, @A_Weatherall
  • ViciaScience Oct 9 @ 3:55 PM EDT
    I would argue that the maths needed to understand science is the science teachers job, just like vocabulary #ASEChat
    In reply to @ndbrning, @mrbakerphysics, @A_Weatherall
  • stevethedoc1 Oct 9 @ 3:55 PM EDT
    #asechat but if we could have the maths dept lessons!!!!
    In reply to @ndbrning, @mrbakerphysics, @A_Weatherall
  • CLEAPSS Oct 9 @ 3:55 PM EDT
    #asechat We have for a while noticed a trend of plastic bottles of conc. Nitirc Acid cracking/splitting. This leads to obs issues.
  • MarcNeesam Oct 9 @ 3:55 PM EDT
    That's why @theASE produced the language of maths in science - good publication to look at #ASEchat https://t.co/ki8M7y7sZc
    In reply to @MrsDrSarah, @A_Weatherall, @theASE
  • CLEAPSS Oct 9 @ 3:56 PM EDT
    #asechat This is due to a change in delivery methods, they are now delivered in plastic bottles. However the conc. 1/2
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:56 PM EDT
    Science teachers catch up with a couple of updates from our friends @CLEAPSS right now on #asechat
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:56 PM EDT
    Can you include the # so that people can see this picking it up later? #asechat
    In reply to @CLEAPSS
  • mrbakerphysics Oct 9 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    Yes! They should see equations throughout KS3! #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MrsDrSarah, @A_Weatherall, @CLEAPSS
  • CLEAPSS Oct 9 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    #asechat Nitric acid damages the plastic over the time. Leading to an issue with damaged bottles. 2/2
  • CLEAPSS Oct 9 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    #asechat To help we have developed a range of new guides from checking your bottles, to decanting to glass bottles.
  • ndbrning Oct 9 @ 3:58 PM EDT
    Very true – students will still need help applying to sci contexts. Starting with some familiarity makes that easier. #asechat
    In reply to @mrbakerphysics, @stevethedoc1, @A_Weatherall
  • CLEAPSS Oct 9 @ 3:58 PM EDT
    #asechat See https://t.co/yE5OWHXICN for this new suite of resources to check for this issue.
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:58 PM EDT
    #asechat #asechat #asechat
    • CLEAPSS Oct 9 @ 3:57 PM EDT
      #asechat To help we have developed a range of new guides from checking your bottles, to decanting to glass bottles.
  • CLEAPSS Oct 9 @ 3:58 PM EDT
    #asechat Key thing is that all schools should check their stocks of ALL conc. coorosive chemicals. See guide GL246 for how to do this.
  • stevethedoc1 Oct 9 @ 3:59 PM EDT
    #asechat so let's make them science familiar!
    In reply to @ndbrning, @mrbakerphysics, @A_Weatherall
  • _theteachr Oct 9 @ 3:59 PM EDT
    Is there a nuance in teaching maths in science? I feel maths in science is a tool whereas maths in maths is... well just maths #asechat
  • CLEAPSS Oct 9 @ 3:59 PM EDT
    If staff are unsure of what to do then they can call the Helpline and discuss any issues with our staff #asechat
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Oct 9 @ 3:59 PM EDT
    Sorry @CLEAPSS I Must be colour blind couldn’t see the pale blue #asechat at the start of all your tweets DOH
    In reply to @CLEAPSS, @CLEAPSS