#IEedchat Archive
#IEedchat is a great way for Inland Empire (California) educators to share teaching strategies, educational resources, and more.
Monday February 1, 2016
10:30 PM EST
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Welcome to . Our topic is setting goals. The format is Q1 for the question and A1: is what you will use to answer the question.
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Q0: Introduce yourself and tell us your favorite quote regarding education.
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Joseph Williams
Dir of Instructional & Information Technology
“I cannot be a teacher without exposing who I am.”
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Chad Tech TOSA in Perris bruised & battered but present
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Jed from
"When it is obvious that the goals cannot be reached, don't adjust the goals, adjust the action steps."
Confucius
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. Sorry to hear that. We love you for your mind anyway.
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A0: Mark Synnott. Instructional Technology Coach. "I make, therefore I am."
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A0: Tom Ashley, TOSA Instr. Tech Coach in the . Quote: "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance"
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A0 Katie Johnson, 11th ELA. “If you treat [a child] as if he were what he ought to be... he will become what he ought to be..."
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Hey - take a quick bit to holler at the
Talking goals, how to (not) break 'em
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Remember to spell out and not . Q1 coming up.
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A0: Candace Reines, Asst Supt Favorite education quote: "Innovation brought to you by "
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Q1: There’s a lot of criticism of S.M.A.R.T. goals. What are your thoughts? Are these criticisms valid?
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A0 Julia in the house. "Those who won't read have no advantage over those who can't" Mark Twain
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Awesome to have you here! Like the quote. Sounds like my parents (in a good way)
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A1: Often, staff go through SMART goals as a “check-the-box” process and nothing more.
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was that for Joe's benefit??
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A0: Every time we try, we succeed
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A1 it's not about setting SMART goals. Goals are important. It's getting all the Ts on the team to care.
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A0) Joshua Lewis, Director Education Information Technology Jurupa Unified. "Do or do not, their is no try." - Yoda
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A1: SMART goals can be great for small groups but I don't believe in overarching goals that everyone from all depts should follow.
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Follow up to Q1.
Q1b: Other than S.M.A.R.T goals, do you have another golal setting fromat or frame you use?
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A1: SMART goals in my experience were always something that admin was pushing down at Ts. There was resistance and confusion.
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That is great. Our IE ED Cats.
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A1: IMHO, measurable and achievable is better than vague. Making explicit steps can help achieve goals and improve Ss confidence.
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A1: focus on the steps- keep sight of the goal, do this do that, SMART goals have solid structure, but PEOPLE drive it.
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A0) Josh Lewis, Director Education Information Technology - Jurupa Unified. "Do or do not, their is no try" - Yoda.
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Awesome ideas on how to make goals and goal planning work.
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A1: I agree with about SMART goals, but Goals do have to be made by all
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A0)Paula Torres, Tech Coach-CJUHSD; “We do not learn from experience…we learn from reflecting on experience.”-John Dewey
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A1b: I prefer weekly goals. Breaking time up by 7 day blocks works for me.
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. Yes. I love that quote.
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super true here. Anything /pushed/ on Ts is less palatable.
Let teachers design, & redesign action steps as needed.
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A1) Depends on if you have a growth mindset or a fixed mindset. We all have room for improvement. When we fall, we learn.
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A1b: Good goals have a SMART goal flavor without the SMART formality.
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Q2: We hear a lot about procrastination. Why do you think adults procrastinate on their goals?
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; A1) ANY goals need someone to hold the goal setter accountable. Often that part gets lost.
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A1B: I always have goals relating to class culture, since I want to make sure I get to know all my Ss on a personal level
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Too small of a focus for me. I go day to day but focus on units in terms of weeks
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Soooo yes. Agreed.
Where does innovation/moonshot thinking fit?
Asking b/c I've been back/forth on this lately.
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Still run into the same dilemma of Ts not wanting to be part of a learning team
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Here is Q2 https://t.co/qzcHoxiWf5
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Q2: We hear a lot about procrastination. Why do you think adults procrastinate on their goals?
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; if there is no "due date", Ts are like Ss in getting caught in what calls "the suck".
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I've missed you Paula. Glad to cross paths on the twitters again.
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A2b, late - I got behind/sidetracked: I like daily and weekly goals. Checklists.
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A2: I think we get caught up with life and we lose focus of what we really want and should do.
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A2: Adults procrastinate because we're all still kids somewhere inside. Play time is always fun now. Dishes can be done later.
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A2: Most goals aim to push the goal setter to a better place. Sometimes we'd rather not go to that place yet. :-)
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I've missed everyone! !! Need some tutoring with tonight! :)
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A1b, late - I got behind/sidetracked: I like daily and weekly goals. Checklists.
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A2 I believe it has more to do with being complacent and unwilling to step out of comfort zones than actual procrastination
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A2: no real accountability to goals. There is always a tomorrow.
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A2: Maybe we procrastinate because we don't need that much time to get the job done.What say you ?
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A2) We fail to set priorities. If it is a priority it gets done.
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Q2b: Why do you think Ss or other non-adults procrastinate on their goals? Is this the same as it is for adults? :
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A2: Procrastination is comfortable, stationary.
Growing toward a goal grinds.
We should be a beginner.
https://t.co/3zkBkk3u7G
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A2 We don't demand as much from ourselves as we do out students.
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or if someone is expecting us to complete our part ON TIME, it gets done.
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Here is a follow up to Q2 https://t.co/fqE1cw1iXI
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Q2b: Why do you think Ss or other non-adults procrastinate on their goals? Is this the same as it is for adults? :
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A2: Some adults procrastinate for the same reason as some kids procrastinate: perfectionism/fear of failure.
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SO TRUE! Ts are the worst about double standards.
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. That is an interesting point.
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A2B: Ss need help with time management and also getting the bigger picture
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So weird to think, we'd rather not be in a better place.
Is it pressure. If I grow now, I need to grow more again?
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A2b: Ss and our kids don't procrastinate on their goals, they procrasinate on OUR goals for them.
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A2b Fear of failure. Fear of success.
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right on, gotta look ahead at where to go, how to get there, and look back to make sure on track
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Q2b: I believe I heard say that if students wait till the last minute you gave them too much time.
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So true ! Sometimes I don't want to start a thing I know I won't be great at. https://t.co/oxWkCaueyT
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A2: Some adults procrastinate for the same reason as some kids procrastinate: perfectionism/fear of failure.
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maybe this should tell us something about what we are delivering to them in the classroom.
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My son's goal is to play video games and watch funny YouTube videos as much as possible. He meets this goal regularly.
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I only do what I am good at, if I don't do it I am horrible at it.
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My son's goal is to play video games and watch funny YouTube videos as much as possible. He meets this goal regularly.
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This is great.
Q3 in a minute
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A2b: priorities, hormones, distraction. Hard to realize sense of accomplishment when so much fun to be had.
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Q3: Imagine you just finished a goal. What would've been a significant factor in its completion?
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I hope it's not cat videos, just kidding
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I have more good books to read! https://t.co/vjOvE29vVu
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A2b: priorities, hormones, distraction. Hard to realize sense of accomplishment when so much fun to be had.
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A2b life gets in the way, so many ways to get distracted
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Really curious to hear what in general say to this:
https://t.co/26fDaw69Je
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Q3: Imagine you just finished a goal. What would've been a significant factor in its completion?
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A3: For me it's all about preparation and making sure I gave myself a realistic timeline.
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A3: When I visualize a goal, I complete it.
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A3: planning and visualizing how it will be accomplished is key
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A3) If I had enough time to do a good job, if it was "possible", and if someone was depending on my results.
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Q3: the goal was attainable, usually could be accomplished quickly with very few variables
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A3: Working with others on goals always works with me.
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A3: passion,
other things become incorporated into the succeeded goal. It moderates other minor goals.
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A3: I complete a goal when I stop making excuses for why I can't get the goal done.
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A3: Encouragement/accountability from others who support me. ...Much as I would like to say it's all intrinsic motivation ;)
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A3 Being able to find the intrinsic value in the journey and in the process. I have to have a valid, fulfilling Why.
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I think my problem in attaining goals is that I am way to passionate at times.
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Q3 follow up.
Q3b: What tips can you provide to help students set and reach goals?
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Once again! YES!!!!! I need to see the what am I getting from this
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A3: It would have had all the elements of a SMART goal AND I really wanted to achieve it.
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helping them see the value of reaching that goal is essential
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Sometimes my passion gets in the way. I put too many important things on my plate then lose balance. https://t.co/Nb08HxKJH4
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I think my problem in attaining goals is that I am way to passionate at times.
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A3B: Make realistic smaller goals that will contribute to your bigger or long term goal. I got this from teaching Health 4 years
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Q3b: Coach students on their goals. Dont nag them.
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So sad I missed tonight's chat. Tutoring went late!
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agree, have to show Ss how to achieve smaller goals first. Otherwise it can be overwhelming.
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. That is ok. Respond later and we will read them.
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A3b: journal. Writing is cathartic and hard to argue with. It's hard to lie to paper.
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A3b: start with realistic short term goals... baby steps lead to giant leaps
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A3: For me it's about importance/significance. With these factors I can see goals through. Stupid stuff is easy to procrastinate
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A3b My ELA Ss challenged me to do my own 20 Time Project. They want to see me set, work through, and reach goals. MODEL!!!
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Nice advice for students y'all. I would want to be a student in your class.
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Modeling is ALWAYS best!!!
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Our team thrives working together on goals. https://t.co/4V6QJdRd11
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A3: Working with others on goals always works with me.
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A3b: Find an interest, set a goal, make specific steps, & find someone to support them (even if it's just to brainstorm ideas)
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Wrapping up our half hour chat tonight. Do you have some final thoughts
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I went to a Rugby coaching clinic yesterday and this World cup winning coach said "break it down for them, into smaller steps"
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Thanks to the moderators tonight. Now I have to go work on some goals....feeling guilty!
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I remembered Proud of myself. Goal for today accomplished
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Thanks for another great chat. I've been away too long!
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Final thoughts: "Fortune favors the bold." Set bold and ambitious goals in education.
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Educational blog. My goal was to write more about education.
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FT: Small steps will lead to bigger steps and that will get you to where you need to go in Rugby and in Education
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Being told I couldn't do it in the first place. That’s been some good motivation for me a few times
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Better late than never eh
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A1: Almost any framework can be found wanting when applied too rigidly. Frameworks should have room for movement.
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A2: I’ll get back to this one later, when I have more time
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A3: Removing distractions, clearing a path for completion, focusing on the job at hand
