#divergED Archive


Tuesday April 17, 2018
8:00 PM EDT

  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:00 PM EDT
    Welcome to #divergED. We're honored to have Tom Hierck, @thierck - former teacher, principal, district administrator and current grandpa, father, husband - as our co-host today! Share your name & where you're from.
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    #divergED co-host Tom Hierck, @thierck is the @SolutionTree Co-Author of Assessing Unstoppable Learning among many, many other books.
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    #divergED will be in a Q&A format. Mark responses w/ A1...2...etc. This is a 30-min chat, so buckle in!
  • thierck Apr 17 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    So excited to be a part of this chat! Let's get our learning/sharing on! #divergED
    In reply to @WeberEducation
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Take a listen to my #divergED pod with Tom Hierck, @thierck at https://t.co/d9XG9JVgi0
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Don't forget to include the hashtag #divergED so everyone can follow along.
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Check out my fav student support software: @MrElmerLLC. It makes (common) sense of RTI/MTSS/PBIS. https://t.co/h2LTBBimFS Very #divergED
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    This chat is about "Assessing Unstoppable Learning." Let's do this! #divergED
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Q1 coming up in 1 minute... #divergED
  • justaddison Apr 17 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Addison from Franklin, TN. HS Social Studies teacher and education revolution advocate. #divergED
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    Q1: What are the optimal environments within which powerful, positive, and productive assessing occurs? #divergED
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    Hi Addison. I want to be a education revolutionary! #divergED
    • justaddison Apr 17 @ 8:05 PM EDT
      Addison from Franklin, TN. HS Social Studies teacher and education revolution advocate. #divergED
  • thierck Apr 17 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    Thanks for joining and sharing! #divergED
    In reply to @justaddison
  • justaddison Apr 17 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    You’ve written books and push reform. I’d say you’re well on your way. 😀#divergED
    In reply to @WeberEducation
  • justaddison Apr 17 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    Absolutely! #divergED
    In reply to @thierck
  • thierck Apr 17 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    A1 Every student must feel they belong, are recognized for their gifts, and will succeed. Check out @lauriesmcintosh and her work with DNA #divergED
    In reply to @WeberEducation, @lauriesmcintosh
  • MrDataGuy Apr 17 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    Jim Smith just got in. A1: Collaborative and Innovative at the same time, finding agreement, but accepting challenges, and a sense of humor is always good. #divergED
    In reply to @WeberEducation
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    RTQ1: What are the optimal environments within which powerful, positive, and productive assessing occurs? #divergED
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    What better student outcomes, academically and behaviorally? Nurture relationships! #divergED
    • thierck Apr 17 @ 8:08 PM EDT
      A1 Every student must feel they belong, are recognized for their gifts, and will succeed. Check out @lauriesmcintosh and her work with DNA #divergED
      In reply to @WeberEducation, @lauriesmcintosh
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    A1: Optimal assessment occurs when educators collaborate, students are involved, targets are clear, feedback is timely and specific, and information is used by students and teachers to continue the learning #divergED
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    Yes Jim. Those are two important watchwords. #divergED
    • MrDataGuy Apr 17 @ 8:08 PM EDT
      Jim Smith just got in. A1: Collaborative and Innovative at the same time, finding agreement, but accepting challenges, and a sense of humor is always good. #divergED
      In reply to @WeberEducation
  • MrDataGuy Apr 17 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    A1: Quality assessment design, clearly aligned to learning targets, and a culture of feedback and reflection, AND a good sense of humor #divergED
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    Q2 Coming up in 1 minute... #divergED
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    Q2: How has traditional “assessment” evolved into evidence gathering? How do these practices just become part of what we do? #divergED
  • justaddison Apr 17 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    A1: I think that takes significant time and investment in building the trust of your students in you, each other, and the assessments you intend to use. Specifically, making use of assessments that STUDENTS can use as feedback to grow and build from. #divergED
  • thierck Apr 17 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    As Hattie suggests this occurs when " teachers become learners of their own teaching, and when students become their own teachers." #divergED
    In reply to @WeberEducation
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    Agreed. Among other things, we're finding that clear targets help students know where they are and where they need to refocus #divergED
    • MrDataGuy Apr 17 @ 8:10 PM EDT
      A1: Quality assessment design, clearly aligned to learning targets, and a culture of feedback and reflection, AND a good sense of humor #divergED
  • AndersonJama Apr 17 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    A1: I spend time with students and teachers helping them to create a classroom culture where error is welcome and expected. Students feel safe and when they feel safe they become brave. #safeplacebraveplace #divergED
    In reply to @WeberEducation
  • MrDataGuy Apr 17 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    Assessment practice must take into account the context of the students AND must be accessible to ALL students, showing growth and supporting next steps. #divergED
    In reply to @thierck, @WeberEducation, @lauriesmcintosh
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    I love this; it's a great orientation to have - assessments that students can use #divergED
    • justaddison Apr 17 @ 8:12 PM EDT
      A1: I think that takes significant time and investment in building the trust of your students in you, each other, and the assessments you intend to use. Specifically, making use of assessments that STUDENTS can use as feedback to grow and build from. #divergED
  • thierck Apr 17 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    And that time needs to be invested early and often! Assessment as evidence gathering, not number gathering. #divergED
    In reply to @justaddison
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    Excellent Jama! #divergED
    • AndersonJama Apr 17 @ 8:13 PM EDT
      A1: I spend time with students and teachers helping them to create a classroom culture where error is welcome and expected. Students feel safe and when they feel safe they become brave. #safeplacebraveplace #divergED
      In reply to @WeberEducation
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    It's difficult, but assessments, like curriculum and instruction, must be differentiated #divergED
    • MrDataGuy Apr 17 @ 8:13 PM EDT
      Assessment practice must take into account the context of the students AND must be accessible to ALL students, showing growth and supporting next steps. #divergED
      In reply to @thierck, @WeberEducation, @lauriesmcintosh
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    RTQ2: How has traditional “assessment” evolved into evidence gathering? How do these practices just become part of what we do? #divergED
  • JohnWink90 Apr 17 @ 8:15 PM EDT
  • thierck Apr 17 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    You got it Jama! I have yet to meet a student who is connected, who disappoints. Make it about the learning, not the earning. #divergED
    In reply to @AndersonJama, @WeberEducation
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    A2: Assessment becomes evidence-gatething, in part, when we are concerned less about the number of points earned and more about what has been learned #divergED
  • thierck Apr 17 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    I echo the impact that the work has had. The team is making a difference! #divergED
    In reply to @_StBens, @STARCatholic
  • justaddison Apr 17 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    Is it wrong I interpret the ? as negative. Assessment shouldn't be about evidence gathering, but rather evaluation of growth and performance. It's a mentality change. We need to evaluate, not assess, and use the data we collect to engage our students to grow. #divergED
    • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:15 PM EDT
      RTQ2: How has traditional “assessment” evolved into evidence gathering? How do these practices just become part of what we do? #divergED
  • MrDataGuy Apr 17 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    This is why I keep adding the sense of humor piece. We frown and take VERY seriously the work of assessing and testing. We need to lighten up, encourage risk-taking, AND make the learning environment one that responds to risk-taking in a positive and joyful manner #divergED
    In reply to @AndersonJama, @WeberEducation
  • EvetteRawls Apr 17 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    Q1: #DivergEd Optimal environments occurs when students are motivated and held accountable. This allows students to feel powerful in a positive environment which creates productive results...
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    Q3 Coming up in 1 minute... #divergED
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    Q3: What are the most efficient and effective ways of “analyzing” data? #divergED
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    You bet it is...while I prefer evidence gathering to points gathering, you're right - it's about growth #divergED
    • justaddison Apr 17 @ 8:16 PM EDT
      Is it wrong I interpret the ? as negative. Assessment shouldn't be about evidence gathering, but rather evaluation of growth and performance. It's a mentality change. We need to evaluate, not assess, and use the data we collect to engage our students to grow. #divergED
      • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:15 PM EDT
        RTQ2: How has traditional “assessment” evolved into evidence gathering? How do these practices just become part of what we do? #divergED
  • thierck Apr 17 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    A2 When every student has a significant adult (teacher) at school, the conversation shifts from "rank and sort" to all achieving the bar or better. Purpose liberates the dialogue. #divergED
    In reply to @WeberEducation
  • justaddison Apr 17 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    With frequent reps that allow educators to become quick and fluent with feedback, while students can become fluent and confident in the evidence gathering process. Lock in to a small handful of quality evaluations and then hit it over and over like stepping on a scale. #divergED
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  • thierck Apr 17 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    That's the frame we should be pursuing, driven by the notion that ALL students can achieve. The shift from data (numbers) to evidence (as you have defined above) is the logical progression in ensuring ALL learn. #divergED
    In reply to @justaddison
  • MrDataGuy Apr 17 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    A2: The traditional use has been to gather evidence. We know know there are better and deeper uses - the greatest of which is helping students "own" their learning #diverged
  • MsVillegas11 Apr 17 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    A2: honoring the whole child and their ability to show mastery in varying ways that support their strengths and interests. student led teaching, and more collaboration opportunities. Asking Ss how they’d like to “show what they know” #divergED
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    RTQ3: What are the most efficient and effective ways of “analyzing” data? #divergED
  • EvetteRawls Apr 17 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    RtQ2: #DivergEd Traditional Assessment has created the data that we use to drive Instruction. And yes I believe we need data and effective instruction, I don’t believe traditional assessment allow us to see the full potential of our students growth or knowledge
    • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:15 PM EDT
      RTQ2: How has traditional “assessment” evolved into evidence gathering? How do these practices just become part of what we do? #divergED
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    A3: Clear purposes make data analysis effective: What has and hasn't been learned? Who has and hasn't learned it? What will we do next, to serve all students and to continuously improve #divergED
  • thierck Apr 17 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    A3 Being vulnerable is part of the process. Feeling part of a team, driven by the belief that all will achieve allows the conversation to be about "OUR" students not yours and mine. #divergED
    In reply to @WeberEducation
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    Q4 Coming up in 1 minute... #divergED
  • thierck Apr 17 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    You got it Crystal! Not every indicator needs to be a paper and pen activity. Let Ss show what they know in a way that plays to their strengths. #divergED
    In reply to @MsVillegas11
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    Q4: What are the best ways of transforming evidence into information for staff and supports for students? #divergED
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    We really need to model what we want to see in students - humility is one of those things #divergED
    • thierck Apr 17 @ 8:22 PM EDT
      A3 Being vulnerable is part of the process. Feeling part of a team, driven by the belief that all will achieve allows the conversation to be about "OUR" students not yours and mine. #divergED
      In reply to @WeberEducation
  • EvetteRawls Apr 17 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    Q3: #DivergEd 🙋🏾‍♀️before analyzing data some need to learn how to understand data that it is used to a tool.Effective ways of analyzing data allows us to focus on areas of weaknesses and build a foundation for growth... #targetbytarget
  • justaddison Apr 17 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    A4: Make the data relatable through visuals, stories, and common connections. Then model how to utilize that data to develop solutions and strategies for students and teachers to use in the classroom. As with teaching kids, make it real! #divergED
  • AndersonJama Apr 17 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    And as students analyze, it becomes about “US” not me. I love to hear students talking to each other about their data and encouraging each other.#divergED
    In reply to @WeberEducation
  • MrDataGuy Apr 17 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    A3: Use some small data. Classroom formative assessment looking at hinge points. See graphic. Quick turn around and rapid response. #diverged
  • thierck Apr 17 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    and we need to convert that data to the evidence that drives our work. As @DouglasReeves suggests, "schools and districts are drowning in data but thirsty for evidence". #divergED
    In reply to @EvetteRawls, @DouglasReeves
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    RTQ4: What are the best ways of transforming evidence into information for staff and supports for students? #divergED
  • MsVillegas11 Apr 17 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    A3: I have always found that after a more traditional once over of whole group and individual data in a “numbers” way, data discussions with peers help me not to get stuck in a routine or rubric of what to look for but push me to ask different questions? #divergED
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    Yes. Set a purpose for the analysis #divergED
    • justaddison Apr 17 @ 8:25 PM EDT
      A4: Make the data relatable through visuals, stories, and common connections. Then model how to utilize that data to develop solutions and strategies for students and teachers to use in the classroom. As with teaching kids, make it real! #divergED
  • thierck Apr 17 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    They are so very capable of doing just that! Owning the learning is what we should be striving to achieve with all of our students. #divergED
    In reply to @AndersonJama, @WeberEducation
  • justaddison Apr 17 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    Way to edit me down! I need you as a copyeditor if I ever write a book! #DivergED
    In reply to @WeberEducation
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    A4: Evidence become information when we proactively carve out the time to analyze and the time to respond #divergED
  • thierck Apr 17 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    We welcome the brilliance of all of our colleagues! Thanks for sharing yours. #divergED
    In reply to @EvetteRawls, @WeberEducation
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    Check out my fav student support software: @MrElmerLLC. It makes (common) sense of RTI/MTSS/PBIS. https://t.co/h2LTBB0LOk Very #divergED
  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    Thank you everyone for joining us this evening! A special thank you to Tom Hierck @thierck for co-hosting tonight! See you back next month! #divergED
  • AndersonJama Apr 17 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    #divergED Evidence is part of instruction. Taking time to go over evidence with students, strengths and weaknesses, goal setting and looking at their own growth.
    In reply to @WeberEducation
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  • WeberEducation - Moderator Apr 17 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    You're right. We must involve students in the process...in the learning #divergED
    • AndersonJama Apr 17 @ 8:30 PM EDT
      #divergED Evidence is part of instruction. Taking time to go over evidence with students, strengths and weaknesses, goal setting and looking at their own growth.
      In reply to @WeberEducation
  • thierck Apr 17 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    Wow, that went by in a heartbeat! Thanks everyone for being a part of this tonight. And thanks to my buddy @WeberEducation for inviting me to be a part of this 30 minutes of brilliance. #divergED
    In reply to @WeberEducation, @WeberEducation
  • MrDataGuy Apr 17 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    No matter what evidence used time is the limiting factor, yet having said this, the more you use it, the easier it gets. Use the one-third two-thirds rule. One-third looking at the data and the rest of the time forming an instructional response. #divergED
  • justaddison Apr 17 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    Starting a project this summer that will hopefully involve a lot of excited teachers looking to rethink culture and engagement in the classroom. Take a look at my new blog for more info and message me with ?s! https://t.co/bFWdFHWAcH #TnEdChat #DivergED #TeacherMyth #cultured
  • MrDataGuy Apr 17 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    Thanks @WeberEducation and @thierck for tonights chat. Greeting to you both. #diverged
  • MsVillegas11 Apr 17 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    A4: In my experience consistent weekly gathering and sharing of data in collaborative meetings formal, informal, and everything inbetween aligns all working supports for a student and that allows for some beautiful progress #divergED
  • MrDataGuy Apr 17 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    Love it. #diverged
    In reply to @EvetteRawls, @WeberEducation
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  • EvetteRawls Apr 17 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    #divergED we must find ways to make data Relatable and relevant...my answer may seem common but it’s NOT! Teachers are sometimes like students and loose interest quickly... how to we make educators accountable when it comes to data??