#INZpirED Archive
This is a weekly chat often based around one or two questions to spark discussion & debate around educational issues.
Friday September 9, 2016
10:30 PM EDT
KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 10:30 PM EDT
Welcome to
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Ajarn_Adam
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Sep 9 @ 10:30 PM EDT
Hi everyone, welcome to
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with guest mod
@KendraFGrant
st3ph007
Sep 9 @ 10:31 PM EDT
Afternoon
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Ajarn_Adam
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Sep 9 @ 10:31 PM EDT
@KSThakral
Hi Sunny!
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JenaiaMorane
Sep 9 @ 10:31 PM EDT
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Don't miss chatting with
@KendraFGrant
who's completely changed how I think of PD:
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@MRsalakas
@reillysusan1
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KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 10:31 PM EDT
@Ajarn_Adam
Hi Adam
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JKatzaman
Sep 9 @ 10:31 PM EDT
Joining
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from Maryland
st3ph007
Sep 9 @ 10:32 PM EDT
Steph from New Zealand sneaking in on a sunny spring afternoon in Auckland
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JenaiaMorane
Sep 9 @ 10:32 PM EDT
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Jena Ball, CritterKin & Not Perfect Hat Club creator here tweeting from muggy North Carolina.
JenaiaMorane
Sep 9 @ 10:32 PM EDT
@JKatzaman
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Hi Jim!
JenaiaMorane
Sep 9 @ 10:32 PM EDT
@st3ph007
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Hi Steph.
KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 10:33 PM EDT
@st3ph007
Afternoon Steph :)
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Ajarn_Adam
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Sep 9 @ 10:33 PM EDT
@st3ph007
Hi Steph welcome!
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KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 10:33 PM EDT
@JKatzaman
Hi Jim
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KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 10:33 PM EDT
@JenaiaMorane
Hi Jena :)
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JenaiaMorane
Sep 9 @ 10:33 PM EDT
@st3ph007
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So jealous. I want to visit NZ so much :-)
Doctor_Harves
Sep 9 @ 10:34 PM EDT
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Michael from Nanjing in China
JenaiaMorane
Sep 9 @ 10:34 PM EDT
@KSThakral
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Waves.
st3ph007
Sep 9 @ 10:35 PM EDT
@JenaiaMorane
happy to show my city off to you when you do!! And give pointers for the Sth Islnd!
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KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 10:35 PM EDT
@KendraFGrant
could be having Internet issues or Timezone issues so I’ll start with her first question
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JenaiaMorane
Sep 9 @ 10:35 PM EDT
@Doctor_Harves
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Hi great to see you here again.
KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 10:35 PM EDT
1) PD is often synonymous with Professional Learning (PL). What do you see as the key differences?
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JenaiaMorane
Sep 9 @ 10:36 PM EDT
@st3ph007
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I'll take you up on it! Best way to see a country is with people who live there.
KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 10:36 PM EDT
@Doctor_Harves
Morning :) Long time!
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Ajarn_Adam
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Sep 9 @ 10:36 PM EDT
@Doctor_Harves
Welcome Michael :)
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Doctor_Harves
Sep 9 @ 10:37 PM EDT
A1 PD I see as more organised, PL more organic
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JenaiaMorane
Sep 9 @ 10:37 PM EDT
@KSThakral
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Honestly don't know the difference. Both = synonymous in my mind with required, lecture type courses Ts "have to" take.
KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 10:38 PM EDT
@Doctor_Harves
Hmm never thought of it that way
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st3ph007
Sep 9 @ 10:39 PM EDT
A1 perhaps the diff is one is a 'do to, the other a do with' model and ownership of the process may be the key factor
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JenaiaMorane
Sep 9 @ 10:39 PM EDT
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You know me and words. I'd like to change Professional Development to "Professional Discovery" :-)
Doctor_Harves
Sep 9 @ 10:39 PM EDT
@KSThakral
thats called PL :P
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KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 10:39 PM EDT
A1: PD can be directed, PL has ownership
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KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 10:39 PM EDT
@Doctor_Harves
Haha. Well said :)
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Doctor_Harves
Sep 9 @ 10:40 PM EDT
@st3ph007
yeah I feel PD is thrown on you to do where PL is my own journey
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JenaiaMorane
Sep 9 @ 10:40 PM EDT
@st3ph007
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Knowing
@KendraFGrant
that's probably true :-) I'd like to see PD=professional discovery & have it be iterative learning
st3ph007
Sep 9 @ 10:41 PM EDT
To clarify with my ldrs hat on, I think it's a mix that's important and both have a part to play in student/Sch/Tchr success
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JenaiaMorane
Sep 9 @ 10:42 PM EDT
@KSThakral
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IMHO we don't - present info 4 Ts 2 work on then take it back 2 classroom, work w/kids, learn, get feedback try again.
KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 10:42 PM EDT
@st3ph007
Yes - ownership makes a huge difference. PD can often be tied to Line management/Appraisal
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KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 10:42 PM EDT
@JKatzaman
@JenaiaMorane
Morning Jim. :)
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Doctor_Harves
Sep 9 @ 10:43 PM EDT
@st3ph007
but just like or ss, we need to feel we own the PD not just done to us
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st3ph007
Sep 9 @ 10:43 PM EDT
To clarify further good pd/pl is a mix of strategic, data based and personalized with coaching as a vehicle that bridges it
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JenaiaMorane
Sep 9 @ 10:44 PM EDT
@st3ph007
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Agree. Need information as foundation, but so much of learning - especially SEL - needs 2B trial & error. Practice.
JenaiaMorane
Sep 9 @ 10:45 PM EDT
@Doctor_Harves
@st3ph007
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Oh my gosh yes. We shouldn't treat Ts or Ss like captives. Learning needs 2 B fun, challenging, fun.
Doctor_Harves
Sep 9 @ 10:45 PM EDT
@st3ph007
need to be careful how data and what data is used and how used
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st3ph007
Sep 9 @ 10:45 PM EDT
@JenaiaMorane
which is teacher inquiry which is powerful tool!
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esp when teamed with coaching and agile leadership
KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 10:45 PM EDT
@st3ph007
That hits the nail on the head. Coaching is crucial to the process
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JenaiaMorane
Sep 9 @ 10:45 PM EDT
@st3ph007
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Would love a whole chat on coaching - how to mentor, guide & not judge, serve as role model not dispenser of facts.
JenaiaMorane
Sep 9 @ 10:46 PM EDT
@Doctor_Harves
@st3ph007
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Agree. With
@KendraFGrant
was here to talk about what she has done. She does this w/teachers - powerful
st3ph007
Sep 9 @ 10:46 PM EDT
@Doctor_Harves
which is a school systems thing! How we use it here and other countries quite diff
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I'm talking mix of data 1/2
Doctor_Harves
Sep 9 @ 10:46 PM EDT
@JenaiaMorane
@st3ph007
well fun can be after the fact, where it is relavant and clearly defined, a bit of hard drudge can be good
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JKatzaman
Sep 9 @ 10:47 PM EDT
A1 Profesional learning is one part of professional development, which includes learning, networking and building whole person.
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st3ph007
Sep 9 @ 10:47 PM EDT
@Doctor_Harves
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eg self review impt, soft data from community and Ss etc - if data shows issues then you can't leave them to fester
JenaiaMorane
Sep 9 @ 10:48 PM EDT
@Doctor_Harves
@st3ph007
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Not sure I agree. Fun doesn't mean goofing off. Some of hardest work I've done is fun, focused & intense.
Doctor_Harves
Sep 9 @ 10:48 PM EDT
@JenaiaMorane
@st3ph007
too many managers have no training in this
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KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 10:48 PM EDT
@JKatzaman
Which leads on to the second question :)
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JenaiaMorane
Sep 9 @ 10:49 PM EDT
@Doctor_Harves
@st3ph007
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NO kidding. We have a whole generation of Ts who grew up w/industrial model and testing. Few SE skills.
KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 10:49 PM EDT
@Doctor_Harves
@JenaiaMorane
@st3ph007
Perhaps their own PL needs to focus on this as this can help them improve their role.
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KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 10:49 PM EDT
2) How would you describe a Community of Practice? What is your experience in a CoP?
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st3ph007
Sep 9 @ 10:49 PM EDT
@Doctor_Harves
@JenaiaMorane
oh def need training! need also to understand diff between coaching/mentoring and types of coaching
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Doctor_Harves
Sep 9 @ 10:49 PM EDT
@JenaiaMorane
@st3ph007
fun can be after the fact. Some of the best learning I have done I have hated doing at the time
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JenaiaMorane
Sep 9 @ 10:50 PM EDT
@JKatzaman
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Whole person, whole child :-) I like that.
Doctor_Harves
Sep 9 @ 10:50 PM EDT
@JenaiaMorane
@st3ph007
we have lots of managers very few leaders in education
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JenaiaMorane
Sep 9 @ 10:50 PM EDT
@st3ph007
@Doctor_Harves
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Yes, yes, yes. I have so much to learn in this area.
KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 10:51 PM EDT
A2: PL on its own might not be the answer and developing a community of practice could be a better approach.
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Doctor_Harves
Sep 9 @ 10:51 PM EDT
A2 collaboarating with fellow educators and being not scared to fail
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KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 10:52 PM EDT
A2: My CoP is via collaborative action research in school and through learning walks together
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JenaiaMorane
Sep 9 @ 10:52 PM EDT
@KSThakral
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COP is a group that works together w/common goals & methodology, right? Imagine having all on board is key 2 success.
KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 10:53 PM EDT
@Doctor_Harves
Requires a huge culture shift in schools
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Ajarn_Adam
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Sep 9 @ 10:53 PM EDT
A2 A CoP can be as small scale e.g. dept/school or as large scale e.g. education conferences, Twitter etc as necessary
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KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 10:53 PM EDT
@JenaiaMorane
Every one on the bus and looking in the same direction
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Doctor_Harves
Sep 9 @ 10:54 PM EDT
@KSThakral
it does, my last school was very hierachical. they struggled
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KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 10:54 PM EDT
@Ajarn_Adam
Definitely - school driven could be directed and Twitter based could be ownership/PL
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st3ph007
Sep 9 @ 10:55 PM EDT
A2 I've blogged on this before linked to Sch culture
https://t.co/bdHeQJzWeB
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KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 10:55 PM EDT
One to read
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Thanks for the share. On my reading list.
https://t.co/l52ZTTmW8B
st3ph007
Sep 9 @ 10:55 PM EDT
A2 I've blogged on this before linked to Sch culture
https://t.co/bdHeQJzWeB
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JKatzaman
Sep 9 @ 10:55 PM EDT
A2 A community of practice is a group loosely associated through common teachings or interests. You can be a member of > one.
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KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 10:57 PM EDT
@JKatzaman
Yes - You could be the connect between multiple CoPs and that itself leads to grater awareness
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KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 10:58 PM EDT
3) What do you recommend schools do to become more collaborative and inquiry-based settings?
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Ajarn_Adam
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Sep 9 @ 11:00 PM EDT
Check out the interesting work around communities of practice by Etienne Wenger
https://t.co/lsxJBZ8tsN
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KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 11:00 PM EDT
A3: Takes strong leadership - embedding action research projects as part of the PD process.
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st3ph007
Sep 9 @ 11:00 PM EDT
@Ajarn_Adam
agreed this is great work!
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KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 11:00 PM EDT
Thanks Adam. Another great share :)
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Book marked for later.
https://t.co/NDP5gXIPnQ
Ajarn_Adam
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Sep 9 @ 11:00 PM EDT
Check out the interesting work around communities of practice by Etienne Wenger
https://t.co/lsxJBZ8tsN
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Doctor_Harves
Sep 9 @ 11:01 PM EDT
A3 lose the top down leadership model, treat Ts as professionals and eliminate the competion model in education
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JKatzaman
Sep 9 @ 11:02 PM EDT
@KSThakral
Aware you're a great networker or that you're spread too thin.
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KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 11:02 PM EDT
@Doctor_Harves
*Dreams*..sigh! Don’t see that happening anytime soon though :(
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Ajarn_Adam
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Sep 9 @ 11:02 PM EDT
@Doctor_Harves
Not asking for much then ;)
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st3ph007
Sep 9 @ 11:03 PM EDT
A3 schs and Ts need to be clear about what they are there for! Rowing the same way
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https://t.co/HKVvI7AKRe
st3ph007
Sep 9 @ 11:03 PM EDT
@KSThakral
@Doctor_Harves
wow really? I see fabulous examples of this in my country!
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Doctor_Harves
Sep 9 @ 11:04 PM EDT
@KSThakral
if you can imagine something it can become a reality
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JenaiaMorane
Sep 9 @ 11:04 PM EDT
@KSThakral
@Doctor_Harves
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"Don't tell me the sky is the limit when there are footprints on the moon."
https://t.co/Vkc7oi46e6
KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 11:05 PM EDT
@JKatzaman
:) balance is the key as always. Believe networking is an essential asset for a T. One we are rarely taught/told abt
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Doctor_Harves
Sep 9 @ 11:06 PM EDT
@st3ph007
@KSThakral
sadly the minority and in the face of education policy
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JKatzaman
Sep 9 @ 11:06 PM EDT
A3 Open up discussions. Let the students ask questions and teachers offer answers, emphasizing there may be many answers.
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JenaiaMorane
Sep 9 @ 11:06 PM EDT
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Never stop dreaming or reaching for those stars :-)
st3ph007
Sep 9 @ 11:06 PM EDT
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https://t.co/OcfkFF4AEI
KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 11:06 PM EDT
@st3ph007
@Doctor_Harves
Small pockets, a huge number of schools still subscribe to the traditional model and are scared of change
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KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 11:07 PM EDT
@st3ph007
@Doctor_Harves
Please could you give examples as it would be great to connect with them to spread awareness
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st3ph007
Sep 9 @ 11:07 PM EDT
@Doctor_Harves
@KSThakral
there's always a way around policy
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KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 11:08 PM EDT
@JKatzaman
Student driven - Hmm now there is an idea. Takes a brave T to put themselves out there.
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Doctor_Harves
Sep 9 @ 11:08 PM EDT
@JenaiaMorane
stars! you aim too low! Lets move universes.
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Doctor_Harves
Sep 9 @ 11:08 PM EDT
@st3ph007
@KSThakral
but the very fact it is policy is a concern
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KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 11:09 PM EDT
@Doctor_Harves
@JenaiaMorane
haha multiverses and different dimensions. I’m liking it. Infinite possibilities.
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st3ph007
Sep 9 @ 11:09 PM EDT
@KSThakral
@Doctor_Harves
most schools here I think! Kiwi schs on a continuum but biggest diff is we are self governing
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KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 11:10 PM EDT
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https://t.co/JgoX060AqB
jascjasc
Sep 9 @ 11:09 PM EDT
@st3ph007
@KSThakral
Love this - going up on our noticeboard :)
JKatzaman
Sep 9 @ 11:10 PM EDT
@KSThakral
It would certainly break up the monotony.
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JenaiaMorane
Sep 9 @ 11:11 PM EDT
@Doctor_Harves
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No....never too low. See stars as reminders of who we really are :-)
KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 11:11 PM EDT
@JKatzaman
Wonder if there is ever monotony around you though Jim.
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JenaiaMorane
Sep 9 @ 11:11 PM EDT
@KSThakral
@Doctor_Harves
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Heck yeah. Stars are portals to other universes didn't you know? ;-)
KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 11:12 PM EDT
4) Collaborative inquiry is an iterative process. How can you support and/or engage Ts who are more comfortable in their "silo"?
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st3ph007
Sep 9 @ 11:12 PM EDT
@JenaiaMorane
@Doctor_Harves
I'm a sunset fan as a reminder of a day that will return tomorrow
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https://t.co/biTTHAaWXW
JenaiaMorane
Sep 9 @ 11:12 PM EDT
@st3ph007
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LOVE!
JenaiaMorane
Sep 9 @ 11:13 PM EDT
@st3ph007
@KSThakral
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Have you seen this? It's priceless:
https://t.co/I8gZd0paNe
https://t.co/KCOmsxdm05
st3ph007
Sep 9 @ 11:14 PM EDT
The Spiral of Inquiry is a fab opportunity to collaboratively look into practice to improve outcomes
https://t.co/NF3n5jQWbv
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JenaiaMorane
Sep 9 @ 11:14 PM EDT
@KSThakral
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Think we need to meet Ts where they are and model what works.
Doctor_Harves
Sep 9 @ 11:14 PM EDT
A4 is that really a problem? Ss can use them as a resourse in a collaborative integrated curriculum
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KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 11:15 PM EDT
@JenaiaMorane
@st3ph007
Nope. Thanks for the share Jena
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st3ph007
Sep 9 @ 11:15 PM EDT
@JenaiaMorane
from school (just need to get home earlier I think!) I have 1000s - but smitten!
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JenaiaMorane
Sep 9 @ 11:15 PM EDT
@KSThakral
@st3ph007
It's VERY cool, a huge challenge but great fun too. Take a sec to watch.
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KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 11:17 PM EDT
@Doctor_Harves
How do you get Ts into it when some of them are set in their ways.
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st3ph007
Sep 9 @ 11:17 PM EDT
Sorry team I need to go! Have a fab weekend and ty for the great chat!
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JKatzaman
Sep 9 @ 11:17 PM EDT
A4 Be an example of the wonders of collaboration that'll make others take notice and want to join as well.
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JenaiaMorane
Sep 9 @ 11:18 PM EDT
@st3ph007
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I really like the concept of a spiral. It's iterative & gives you a chance to look back & continue 2 learn from past.
KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 11:18 PM EDT
@st3ph007
Thanks for joining in Steph :)
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as always. That pic is def. being shared at school
JenaiaMorane
Sep 9 @ 11:18 PM EDT
@st3ph007
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Great having you here. Thank you Steph.
KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 11:18 PM EDT
@JKatzaman
Modelling is indeed key. Often the modeller has to sacrifice time for incremental change
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nzvh
Sep 9 @ 11:20 PM EDT
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sorry I'm late .... Viv from Auckland ... NZ
JKatzaman
Sep 9 @ 11:21 PM EDT
@KSThakral
Every walk starts with one step.
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KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 11:21 PM EDT
@nzvh
Hi Viv.
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KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 11:22 PM EDT
@JKatzaman
Indeed. Never get disheartened by the pace of change, just take heart that positive change is happening.
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JenaiaMorane
Sep 9 @ 11:24 PM EDT
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Calling it quits here in NC folks. It's almost 11:30 and I'm beat. Thank you all for being inspiring as always. To be continued..
KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 11:26 PM EDT
Thanks everyone for another great chat.
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Doctor_Harves
Sep 9 @ 11:26 PM EDT
better get back to lesson planning, thanks team
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Ajarn_Adam
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Sep 9 @ 11:26 PM EDT
@JenaiaMorane
Thanks for joining us Jena :)
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Doctor_Harves
Sep 9 @ 11:27 PM EDT
@KSThakral
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all you do is the content they teach to a broader scheme linking subjects
Ajarn_Adam
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Sep 9 @ 11:28 PM EDT
Thanks Sunny, thanks everyone
@KSThakral
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KSThakral
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Sep 9 @ 11:29 PM EDT
Thanks to
@Ajarn_Adam
@Doctor_Harves
@JenaiaMorane
@Jkatzaman
and
@stephT
for really bringing it tonight. You all rock
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