#mdeschat Archive
A weekly chat focusing primarily on educational issues relevant to Elementary School educators based in Maryland.
Thursday February 9, 2017
8:00 PM EST
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Feb 9 @ 8:00 PM EST
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evyabel
Feb 9 @ 8:00 PM EST
We are honored with your presence tonight, these are our norms :)
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jazzmeister2013
Feb 9 @ 8:01 PM EST
Greg- K,
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and Team
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! Hope all are well tonight.
evyabel
Feb 9 @ 8:01 PM EST
I'm Evylyn Quinones, assistant principal at Phyllis E. Williams; I want to share joy!
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Good Evening!
WalterReap
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:02 PM EST
Good evening Greg!
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In reply to @jazzmeister2013
principal64
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:03 PM EST
Chris, elementary principal, one word? Grateful
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jazzmeister2013
Feb 9 @ 8:04 PM EST
Hey Walt! Hope all is well.
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In reply to @WalterReap
WalterReap
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:04 PM EST
Walt, principal at Cristo Rey Jesuit High School. I'd like to share gratitude with everyone!
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missreed
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:04 PM EST
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Hello!! Ready to GROW with you all tonight! :)
jazzmeister2013
Feb 9 @ 8:04 PM EST
Hey Chris!
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In reply to @principal64
jazzmeister2013
Feb 9 @ 8:05 PM EST
Hey Rian!
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In reply to @missreed
evyabel
Feb 9 @ 8:05 PM EST
Today, we have a very interesting topic to share...let's get started! This is our first question:
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DeniseFaidley
Feb 9 @ 8:05 PM EST
Denise, elementary AP, positive
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WalterReap
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:05 PM EST
Hey Chris!
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In reply to @principal64
WalterReap
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:06 PM EST
Hey Rian! We are grateful to be growing!
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In reply to @missreed
principal64
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:06 PM EST
A1. Proficiency is a level of perf romance
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BestFootKids
Feb 9 @ 8:07 PM EST
Debbie, foster care academic advocate/coach. EMPOWER is my favorite word!
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jazzmeister2013
Feb 9 @ 8:07 PM EST
One word I’d like to share- ENTHUSIASM.
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DeniseFaidley
Feb 9 @ 8:08 PM EST
A1. Proficiency is performing at the minimum standards
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principal64
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:08 PM EST
A1. Proficiency is a level of performance that demonstrates competence with a skill or ability
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WalterReap
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:09 PM EST
A1: Proficiency is establishing a goal expecting everyone to hit it. Basketball hoop is 10ft. You score when the ball goes in!
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jazzmeister2013
Feb 9 @ 8:10 PM EST
A1- Proficiency measures one’s performance relative to a certain standard or objective; demonstrating understanding, application.
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BestFootKids
Feb 9 @ 8:10 PM EST
A1 Proficiency is different at different levels. For my kids it means knowing how to be a student. Study, organize, take notes...
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missreed
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:10 PM EST
A1: a standard score of mastered skill on a given assessment. Ex. Reading on grade level Lexile on SRI
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evyabel
Feb 9 @ 8:10 PM EST
Question #2: What is growth?
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principal64
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:12 PM EST
A2. Growth is any incremental progress beyond a starting point
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WalterReap
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:12 PM EST
I remember with
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some thought 'Basic' was the expected goal.
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In reply to @principal64
mrdonnelly3
Feb 9 @ 8:12 PM EST
A2: Growth is improvement.
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DeniseFaidley
Feb 9 @ 8:12 PM EST
A2. Growth is a demonstration of improvement or attainment
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evyabel
Feb 9 @ 8:13 PM EST
A2. Just wondering, can we stop growth? Part of nature, needs conditions to take place, compares to itself to be measured
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jazzmeister2013
Feb 9 @ 8:13 PM EST
A2- Growth is progress, a shift forward or a shift higher. Growth signifies improvement, greater mastery, skill development.
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BestFootKids
Feb 9 @ 8:14 PM EST
A2 Growth is taking at least one step in a positive direction from where you currently are.
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joherraharris
Feb 9 @ 8:14 PM EST
what happens to s's already proficient they not encouraged to grow
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evyabel
Feb 9 @ 8:14 PM EST
#MSA
the difference between 50 and 51...
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In reply to @WalterReap, @principal64
mrdonnelly3
Feb 9 @ 8:14 PM EST
We can regress without practice.
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In reply to @evyabel
massignmenthelp
Feb 9 @ 8:15 PM EST
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mrdonnelly3
Feb 9 @ 8:15 PM EST
What about the idea of 2 steps forward and 1 step back? It's net growth
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evyabel
Feb 9 @ 8:15 PM EST
that's scary, but truth
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In reply to @mrdonnelly3
missreed
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:15 PM EST
Truly important! Understanding of growth and proficiency are important for the BIG picture.
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mrdonnelly3
Feb 9 @ 8:12 PM EST
A2: Growth is improvement.
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WalterReap
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:15 PM EST
A2: Growth is the distance between iterations demonstrating positive results.
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jazzmeister2013
Feb 9 @ 8:16 PM EST
The power of establishing, nurturing, and cultivating growth mindset. Even when proficient, there is more to learn.
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In reply to @joherraharris
mrdonnelly3
Feb 9 @ 8:16 PM EST
I don't know ... I'm looking forward to regression in my diaper changing skills
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In reply to @evyabel
evyabel
Feb 9 @ 8:17 PM EST
Proficiency and growth are aligned to learning. Check our next question
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WalterReap
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:17 PM EST
Great question! Growth is relative to the applied measure.
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In reply to @evyabel
mrdonnelly3
Feb 9 @ 8:19 PM EST
A3: Ps tend to look more at proficiency first, but I look for for anything positive.
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principal64
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:19 PM EST
A3. Both, we're always hoping for growth, but we still must guide students to proficiency
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evyabel
Feb 9 @ 8:19 PM EST
thanks for sharing a point that some assume it will just happen, by nature. We can support or hinder growth
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In reply to @DeniseFaidley
mrdonnelly3
Feb 9 @ 8:19 PM EST
A3: I would be more concerned with no growth when already proficient than growth but not proficient.
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jazzmeister2013
Feb 9 @ 8:20 PM EST
A3- I think Ps and Ts look for both. Ps have to have understanding of proficiency levels, w/ intentional celebration of growth.
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WalterReap
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:20 PM EST
Yes exactly, but when measured against a standard or level; growth becomes relative to desired results.
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In reply to @evyabel, @principal64
missreed
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:21 PM EST
Me: Both. Growth is great for celebration of victories to keep up the momentum past proficiency. Ps- each different
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evyabel
Feb 9 @ 8:17 PM EST
Proficiency and growth are aligned to learning. Check our next question
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DeniseFaidley
Feb 9 @ 8:21 PM EST
A3. Definitely both! Proficiency is a mastery goal but you also want to see growth. Advanced understanding
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WalterReap
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:21 PM EST
Thats right, but when the goal is improving EVERYONE can grow.
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In reply to @joherraharris
joherraharris
Feb 9 @ 8:22 PM EST
@jazzmeister2013
there is more to learn but test only measure growth to prof then s's hit ceiling
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In reply to @jazzmeister2013
jazzmeister2013
Feb 9 @ 8:16 PM EST
The power of establishing, nurturing, and cultivating growth mindset. Even when proficient, there is more to learn.
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In reply to @joherraharris
WalterReap
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:23 PM EST
So true! 20 mile march; great by choice!
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In reply to @mrdonnelly3, @evyabel
jazzmeister2013
Feb 9 @ 8:23 PM EST
Tests measure standards at grade level. When that proficiency is gained, push higher. How can we elevate concept?
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In reply to @joherraharris
evyabel
Feb 9 @ 8:24 PM EST
I'm thinking about those parents that want TAG labels when a student passes proficiency. What do you think?
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In reply to @missreed
AssignmentHelpN
Feb 9 @ 8:25 PM EST
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WalterReap
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:25 PM EST
Maximize opportunities over time; great reminder Michael.
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In reply to @mrdonnelly3
evyabel
Feb 9 @ 8:25 PM EST
I think it becomes a school responsibility to empower our parents and students to elevate
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In reply to @jazzmeister2013, @joherraharris
evyabel
Feb 9 @ 8:27 PM EST
Next question tonight, thanks for sharing such a rich and interesting topic
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WalterReap
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:28 PM EST
A3: Ps have been conditioned to compare their child's performance to a standard, which is not so bad.
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missreed
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:29 PM EST
I am doing some deep diging into the growth of one Gifted Ss at my school for
#NBCT
right now! I need consitent HIGHS and GROWTH.
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evyabel
Feb 9 @ 8:24 PM EST
I'm thinking about those parents that want TAG labels when a student passes proficiency. What do you think?
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In reply to @missreed
Dr_CynthiaJaird
Feb 9 @ 8:29 PM EST
A3 I wonder how students would respond
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principal64
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:30 PM EST
A4. Differentiation allows teachers to vary the path for students, but the end result remains the same, proficiency
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DeniseFaidley
Feb 9 @ 8:32 PM EST
A4. DI is crucial for growth. Standardization is needed for comparison of that growth against a standard
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WalterReap
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:32 PM EST
A3: The standard establish goals, but should be over time. Growth helps us know the progress Ss are making toward the standard.
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jazzmeister2013
Feb 9 @ 8:33 PM EST
A4- Differentiation allows for accessibility. Meeting Ss where they are to achieve proficiency and growth.
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mrdonnelly3
Feb 9 @ 8:33 PM EST
A4 Only some tests are standardized. Those are used to measure proficiency. You can use a differentiated tests to measure growth
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missreed
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:34 PM EST
Ss should be taught how to manipulate Tests based on their strengths to arrive to the right response-WHY am I "x" type of learning
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evyabel
Feb 9 @ 8:27 PM EST
Next question tonight, thanks for sharing such a rich and interesting topic
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WalterReap
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:35 PM EST
Somehow WE have produced this mindset. What if ALL schools were TAG, all Ss would grow, right?!?!
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In reply to @evyabel, @missreed
mrdonnelly3
Feb 9 @ 8:36 PM EST
What is TAG?
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jazzmeister2013
Feb 9 @ 8:37 PM EST
Talented and gifted.
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mrdonnelly3
Feb 9 @ 8:37 PM EST
Thanks!
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missreed
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:37 PM EST
I gave myself the TAG label :) and ALL my Ss are
#GIFTED
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WalterReap
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:35 PM EST
Somehow WE have produced this mindset. What if ALL schools were TAG, all Ss would grow, right?!?!
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In reply to @evyabel, @missreed
Dr_CynthiaJaird
Feb 9 @ 8:38 PM EST
A4 The combination gives students the opportunity to transfer knowledge and skills to another context
#fluid
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evyabel
Feb 9 @ 8:38 PM EST
A5. Our students are learning how to share their data and monitor their growth, we call them leadership conversations
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joherraharris
Feb 9 @ 8:38 PM EST
What is the best tool to measure growth?
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WalterReap
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:39 PM EST
A4: Ts diffetentiate to eliminate the bell curve, but tests are standardized to sort and distribute wealth/power.
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jazzmeister2013
Feb 9 @ 8:40 PM EST
A5- Data shapes & drives instruction. How can I support individual Ss learning? What are big rocks that require more focus?
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mrdonnelly3
Feb 9 @ 8:41 PM EST
A5: To know what students know and are ready to learn and evaluate my teaching of concepts.
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WalterReap
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:41 PM EST
Why is there an expectation gap?
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principal64
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:42 PM EST
A5. Most important data are daily, formative assessments, quick checks of understanding that lead to changes in instruction
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evyabel
Feb 9 @ 8:42 PM EST
This is a difficult ?, since it would need to adapt to a start point and expectations; not a one size fits all
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missreed
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:42 PM EST
Show Ss the results and ask them what they see. Glows and grows!
#Empower
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jazzmeister2013
Feb 9 @ 8:43 PM EST
True! Relevant data allowing for instant adjustment and application. Real-time support.
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In reply to @principal64
DeniseFaidley
Feb 9 @ 8:44 PM EST
A5. I hope Ts are making instr. decisions- planning for instruction, groups & on the spot decisions based on real time data
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missreed
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:45 PM EST
Sometimes growth is measured by school-wide and sometimes individual, county, or country depending on the assessment.
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joherraharris
Feb 9 @ 8:38 PM EST
What is the best tool to measure growth?
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WalterReap
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:45 PM EST
I think its performance over established time intervals but same content.
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justincholbrook
Feb 9 @ 8:45 PM EST
Hey
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sorry to be late! Had a skeeball league game! Justin 4th grade teacher from
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here!
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jazzmeister2013
Feb 9 @ 8:46 PM EST
Justin, welcome! You’re just in time for the rest of the conversation. Glad you could join us!
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missreed
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:46 PM EST
REAL-TIME support!!!!
#PowerWords
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jazzmeister2013
Feb 9 @ 8:43 PM EST
True! Relevant data allowing for instant adjustment and application. Real-time support.
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In reply to @principal64
evyabel
Feb 9 @ 8:46 PM EST
and I hope parents are invited to become partners and support these decisions
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justincholbrook
Feb 9 @ 8:47 PM EST
A5: Data is a great topic. I prefer a balance of quantitative numbers & qualitative observations. Combining gives the full picture
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evyabel
Feb 9 @ 8:47 PM EST
Time to share at
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WalterReap
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:48 PM EST
A5: Data is used to communicate where Ss are performing relative to course/content essential knowledge.
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EduGladiators
Feb 9 @ 8:50 PM EST
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justincholbrook
Feb 9 @ 8:50 PM EST
A6: My favorite assessment is a portfolio. Provides # data as benchmarks of growth as well as a deeper representation of ability
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principal64
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:50 PM EST
A6. Favorite assessment tool? The eyes of a great teacher 👀
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mrdonnelly3
Feb 9 @ 8:51 PM EST
Favorite tool? Talking with Ss and having them explain or show me something
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evyabel
Feb 9 @ 8:51 PM EST
Makes a lot of sense, and stops Ts from raising the rigor
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mrdonnelly3
Feb 9 @ 8:52 PM EST
I agree, the more experience I get the sooner I can spot, or even predict, misconceptions and intervene.
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missreed
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:53 PM EST
A6: Here are 5 Favs!
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NOT EFFECTIVE without TEACHER EYES! :) Thanks
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In reply to @principal64
evyabel
Feb 9 @ 8:55 PM EST
Just wondering... and reading news from various states
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WalterReap
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:55 PM EST
My favorite assessment tools are varied and formative.
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evyabel
Feb 9 @ 8:47 PM EST
Time to share at
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jazzmeister2013
Feb 9 @ 8:56 PM EST
A7- Testing for testing sake is of no value. Testing for reliable, relevant information to support Ss growth is significant.
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mrdonnelly3
Feb 9 @ 8:56 PM EST
A7 If you have a plan to help Ss with the data, then some is fine. I disagree with a lot of test security measures though.
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principal64
- Moderator
Feb 9 @ 8:57 PM EST
A7. No need to end it, just be more thoughtful, age appropriate, and involve teachers in developing
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DeniseFaidley
Feb 9 @ 8:57 PM EST
A6. Rubrics are good if pre-shared, but formative tools are most effective
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justincholbrook
Feb 9 @ 8:57 PM EST
A7: Testing is much different than assessing. Testing is solely for jumping through political hoops. Assessing is student-centered
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mrdonnelly3
Feb 9 @ 8:58 PM EST
A7 There is also the cost both financially and of instructional time taken. It is a complicated issue.
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evyabel
Feb 9 @ 8:59 PM EST
Tonight, we had a great time together :) Thanks for pushing the bar higher... we need both "to grow pass proficiency"
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