#4thchat Archive

#4thchat is a hashtag for teachers or anyone to talk about educational issues relating to 4th grade. Using #4thchat will create a network of 4th grade teachers or teachers working with 9-10 year olds across the world. We welcome anyone who 1. teaches 4th grade 2 .Works with 4th grade students and or 4th grade teachers 3. Likes 4th grade teachers (Groupies are encouraged).

Monday June 4, 2018
8:00 PM EDT

  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    Hello #4thchat friends. Paula Here checking in from New Orleans. We are out for the summer.
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    Welcome to #4thchat. Glad you are joining us.
    In reply to @Okahata11
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    Well, hello, and welcome to #4thchat! Thank you for joining. What grade do you teach?
    In reply to @Okahata11
  • rader5thgrade Jun 4 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    Malinda from NC here for #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    So happy to be with this awesome #4thchat gang! I'm Jenn from IN and we are out for the summer as well! How is everyone?
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Hi Melinda. Glad you are here for #4thchat.
    In reply to @rader5thgrade
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Ma Lin Da! How are you? #4thchat
    In reply to @rader5thgrade
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Welcome to your first chat. You will love the folks at #4thchat - friendly & helpful. Where are you from?
    In reply to @Okahata11
  • Okahata11 Jun 4 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    @JennRegruth Hi! I teach 4th grade in Fresno, CA #4thchat
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Hi, Jenn. Are you enjoying your summer vacation? #4thchat
    In reply to @JennRegruth
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Hey, @plnaugle! Enjoying your time off so far? #4thchat
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Hello Paula. We are still in school until June 20! But the year has flown by for sure. #4thchat
    In reply to @plnaugle
  • Okahata11 Jun 4 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Nice to meet everyone :) #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    Sunny CA! Hope your weather has been good and it's not too dry where you are! #4thchat
    In reply to @Okahata11
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    So far, so good! Lots of catch up cleaning- so happy about that! #4thchat
    In reply to @plnaugle
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    Hi, Nancy. I know that you still have quite a few days to go, but I agree. The school year flew by. #4thchat
    In reply to @ncarroll24
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Hi Malinda! Hooray - you made it!! #4thchat
    In reply to @rader5thgrade
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    I feel that! The sunshine has been helping me cope tho! #4thchat
    In reply to @rader5thgrade
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Q1: What are the strategies you use to evaluate your past school year and how do you use your evaluation to plan for next year? #4thchat
  • MsChanda4 Jun 4 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    Tori from Columbia, MD here! 2 more weeks of school! #4thchat
  • downrightdave Jun 4 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    We had Friday off, but we are back this week for trainings #4thchat
    In reply to @plnaugle
  • Okahata11 Jun 4 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    Q1: I have a notebook that I keep that has pages marked for what lessons went well. Went well but could do better and page for NOPE #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    A1: We use a calendar to make a rough schedule for the year so we hit everything before state testing. We had 2 planning days to evaluate and makes changes. #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    Hello there, Dave! #4thchat
    In reply to @downrightdave, @plnaugle
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    A1: Will look at test data when it comes in later this month. We also use iReady data for both ELA and math. Consider where our weaknesses lie and make plans to strengthen those areas. #4thchat
  • MsChanda4 Jun 4 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    a1. For academic growth we give a pre-assessment for an SLO and then a post-assessment and it allows us to see where the students have grown and areas they need to improve on. For personal growth, I have students evaluate me through a teacher report card #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    You are almost there! It's the home stretch. How are the kids feeling? #4thchat
    In reply to @MsChanda4
  • downrightdave Jun 4 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    I cleaned out my classroom, turned in my keys, and had to say goodbye to a staff that was like family. So how am I? I’m not sure yet. #4thchat
    In reply to @JennRegruth
  • rader5thgrade Jun 4 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    A1: I ask the kids for feedback on activities/projects from the year #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    AAwwww...hard to leave, but you have such amazing opportunities to come! You will still be able to do #DaveWeek, right? #4thchat
    In reply to @downrightdave
  • MsChanda4 Jun 4 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    They are definitely ready for summer! #4thchat
    In reply to @JennRegruth
  • downrightdave Jun 4 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    #DaveWeek will live on for the rest of time. #4thchat
    In reply to @JennRegruth
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    Hi, Dave. I’m sure you will be reflecting on all of that soon. #4thchat
    In reply to @downrightdave, @JennRegruth
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    It gets so hard to focus at this time of year. For kids AND teachers! Glad you are here tonight for #4thchat!
    In reply to @MsChanda4
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    Here are some questions to ponder as you reflect on your year - 20 Teacher End of the Year Reflection Questions - Minds in Bloom https://t.co/YskiEcIycb #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    Where did everyone go? #4thchat
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    Q2: Does your DOE, district, or school provide you with a curriculum map? Do you/your team create curriculum maps? Please share what you do. #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    I feel like this is so important- tweak what worked, reboot what didn't. Education is constantly evolving! #4thchat
    In reply to @plnaugle
  • Okahata11 Jun 4 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    A2: Our principal had us make pencil sketch pacing maps for ELA & Math for next year just using our mandated curriculum and SBAC testing dates. Pretty old school still. #4thchat
  • MsChanda4 Jun 4 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    @plnaugle I really like that article. I am going to be acting as Team Leader next year and these are great questions to think about as the year comes to a close. #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    A2: For math, they want us to use the pacing guide set forth by our math company, iReady. They have suggested ELA standards by quarter so we follow those. #4thchat
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    A2: Our state provides curriculum maps (scope and sequence). Our grade team also work during common planning each week to develop their curriculum maps for the subjects they teach. #4thchat
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    A2: We will also be meeting for 2 days in July to develop curriculum maps with our teams. #4thchat
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    A2: Here is an example of the Eureka Curriculum Map my district will use next year. https://t.co/iQp2aSvIqs #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    I posed this Google form for students to answer at the end of the year. They could choose to stay anonymous if they wished. I had some very helpful answers! #4thchat
  • MsChanda4 Jun 4 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    a2: I work at a Title I school so we are able to meet once a quarter for both Math and Reading to plan out the quarter. We also meet weekly as a team to look at the curriculum sequence. #4thchat
  • Okahata11 Jun 4 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    @plnaugle you have to develop new curriculum maps every year? #4thchat
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    Only if the standards change or we adopt a new program. We are continually updating our maps to improve them. #4thchat
    In reply to @Okahata11
  • downrightdave Jun 4 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    The past two years I've turned my end of year reflection into blog posts. A year ago: Why I Stay. https://t.co/FfLkhfuuG0 This year: The Climb, An Award-Winning Year That Almost Didn't Happen. https://t.co/OkjwcLTCOY #4thchat
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    It is!!! Please join us! :) Thanks for the follow. #4thchat
    In reply to @mrskochheiser
  • rader5thgrade Jun 4 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    A2: Our county provides a pacing for all areas #4thchat
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    Last year we adopted Lucy Calkins Units of Writing in November, so we are still working on that writing component of our ELA amp. #4thchat
    In reply to @Okahata11
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    Wow!!! Very hard! But you will do amazing in your new position & you will see that you'll stay in touch with your former staff! So excited for you in your new role! #4thchat
    In reply to @downrightdave, @JennRegruth
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    Q3: Understanding by Design (UbD) encourages us to consider in advance the assessment evidence needed to document and validate that the targeted learning has been achieved. Do you use backward design or UbD when planning your units of study? #4thchat
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    I like to give a survey at the end of the year to the students to see what they liked, etc. #4thchat I sometimes would send one to parents too!
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    I really wish we could adopt that ELA program. We used 6 traits for a while...#4thchat
    In reply to @plnaugle, @Okahata11
  • downrightdave Jun 4 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    We do a parent survey and a student survey each year. I always learn a lot, mostly from the student survey. I believe students deserve a bigger say in education, as do teachers if I'm being honest. #4thchat
    In reply to @JennRegruth
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    Yes - with new followers!!! #DaveWeek - I loved how you incorporated your online friends. #4thchat
    In reply to @downrightdave, @JennRegruth
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    A3: I would love to learn more about this. It hasn't been talked about in our corporation. #4thchat
  • rader5thgrade Jun 4 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    A3: We will be doing more of this next year #4thchat
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    Does your team then take that a develop a week by week curriculum map for the subjects including assessments and resources to be used? #4thchat
    In reply to @rader5thgrade
  • Okahata11 Jun 4 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    A3: backward design. I've never heard of (UbD) before. #4thchat
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    I actually prefer 6+ Traits as my writing program. #4thchat
    In reply to @JennRegruth, @Okahata11
  • ElisaW5 Jun 4 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    Hi #4thchat. Just got home. Will try to read and tweet shortly!
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    Really? What draws you to 6+ traits? #4thchat
    In reply to @plnaugle, @Okahata11
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    Learning goals, assessments, then lesson plans. #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    Howdy, Elisa! Glad you are here! #4thchat
    In reply to @ElisaW5
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    A3: Here is a UbD Lesson Plan Template - Google Docs https://t.co/23yXB33em9 #4thchat
  • Okahata11 Jun 4 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    @plnaugle Thanks for the chart! A few holes, but that's pretty much what we did. #4thchat
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    I guess i like it because I’m comfortable with the 6 traits and have spent several years designing my writing units based on them. #4thchat
    In reply to @JennRegruth, @Okahata11
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    Q4: Do the teachers at your school work together or use the divide and conquer method to create common assessments for your units of study? #4thchat
  • cybraryman1 Jun 4 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    My Beginning of School Pages https://t.co/BhtCOu38Cm It's never too early to start planning for the upcoming school year. #4thchat
  • downrightdave Jun 4 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    Yes! There is no reason to reinvent the wheel or to have four people sitting around watching one or two people work. I do like to work in pairs though so that I have a sounding board and 2 heads are better than one. #4thchat
    In reply to @plnaugle
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    A4: Our 4th grade team works together to create our assessments. We plug them into our curriculum map and then create our lessons based on what we will be assessing our students on. #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    A4: We work together when we can-seems like so much data to collect and turn in that there is no time to get it all done. We each try to share as much as possible for the team. #4thchat
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    A4: Common Formative Assessment Planning Template https://t.co/w2H8lKjCCZ #4thchat
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    My social studies teammate and I had to reformat our tests to align to our state test which is now Document Based Question format. Here is one of the DBQ assessments we developed - Manifest Destiny/Westward Expansion Test https://t.co/vrMJISA8hL #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    Oh goodness! Great document...how do kids do? #4thchat
    In reply to @plnaugle
  • ElisaW5 Jun 4 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    I like the 6+1 Traits, but not the student bks that have sprouted over the years. I like talking 2 Ss about the characteristics of writing and talk with them about what they think makes 4 an effective piece of writing. More often than not, they name the 6+1 Traits. #4thchat
    In reply to @plnaugle, @JennRegruth, @Okahata11
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    It takes them a while to adapt to the DBQ format, but many did well on our weekly assessments. State test results come out later this month. #4thchat
    In reply to @JennRegruth
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    Q5: Does your weekly schedule have built-in time dedicated to common planning? #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    I am interested in seeing our results soon. With a brand new math series we were told to teach with integrity to the program- I hope they turn out great! #4thchat
    In reply to @plnaugle
  • downrightdave Jun 4 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    Every Monday the students go home an hour early and we meet with our grade level teams. It's nice to have that weekly planning time built in every week in addition to the half hour before and after school. #4thchat
    In reply to @plnaugle
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    A5: This past year I had an ELA meeting every Mon., a social studies meeting every Tues, and a data meeting every Wed. during our planning time to work with teammates. #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    A5: We have 30 minutes every 7 weekdays to get together to go over data. #4thchat
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    I taught in a school system where teachers reported at 8 for planning and students arrived at 9 for classes. Loved the amount of cooperative planning that took place. #4thchat
    In reply to @downrightdave
  • Okahata11 Jun 4 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    A5: 40 minutes every week and some extra time once a month. #4thchat
  • rader5thgrade Jun 4 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    A5: One day for literacy, one for math, and one to analyze/discuss students and/or assessments #4thchat
  • ElisaW5 Jun 4 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    A4 Love this ? ‘cause I’m living it @ the moment...mostly in my head, but it’s real. What does it mean 2 work together? 2 collaborate? What will that look like 4 our team? What can each of us live w/& what can we not let go of? How will we develop units? Lots of ?s! #4thchat
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    Q6: What data do you use when updating your curriculum map from year to year? #4thchat
  • ElisaW5 Jun 4 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    Thanks for sharing this. Will share it w/my team. #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    A6: Whoa...I haven't done it that way...I am very interested to see. #4thchat
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    A6: We use the data from our state tests, iReady diagnostic testing, the district beginning of year and middle of year interim tests, week subject tests and formative assessment results to help us plan our curriculum each year. #4thchat
  • ElisaW5 Jun 4 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    A5 Nope! We have a weekly planning time after school on most weeks. We do have PLC time during the school day and staff meetings every other week. Next year we’ll have early dismissal Fridays for meetings. #4thchat
  • Okahata11 Jun 4 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    A6: We compare state tests and district curriculum test data #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    I feel like we are really behind. #4thchat
    In reply to @plnaugle
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    Q7: Do you feel that you should be required to spend more time or less time on curriculum mapping? #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    A7: I would love more time with my colleagues to work on curriculum mapping. #4thchat
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    Here is an example of a math curriculum map I developed when teaching math - https://t.co/4txthOpqWp #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    This is amazing. I love the way your brain thinks! Thanks for letting us take a peek. Well done. #4thchat
    In reply to @plnaugle
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    Getting all teachers in the same grade to plan cooperatively was a huge push at my school this year. Some teachers didn’t like giving up three of their planning periods (45 mins each) a week to do so, but I think we got on the same page. #4thchat
    In reply to @JennRegruth
  • ElisaW5 Jun 4 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    A7 2 much time is spent on analyzing tests, especially external ones, instead of teaching & planning for teaching by looking @ student work. I’m a better teacher when I discuss a problem of practice w/colleagues & then try out different ideas 2 improve learning. #4thchat
  • JennRegruth - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    I am impressed that you all were able to work and complete this product. I sure hope your admin was proud! #4thchat
    In reply to @plnaugle
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    We started with it in 2014, then switched to Envision, but are now going back to Eureka for the coming year. #4thchat
    In reply to @Okahata11
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    Our district provides PLC time. One school meets each week for 45min. The other school meets every other week for 90 min. They have subs cover the classrooms. #4thchat
    In reply to @plnaugle, @JennRegruth
  • ElisaW5 Jun 4 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    Was it helpful to be on the same page? I go back and forth about this. There are so many ideas different about what this means. Hard to decide when to team it up and when it’s OK 2 go solo. #4thchat
    In reply to @plnaugle, @JennRegruth
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    I think this is an important point @ElisaW5 It often takes a village and getting help from colleagues like this makes sense! #4thchat
    • ElisaW5 Jun 4 @ 8:53 PM EDT
      A7 2 much time is spent on analyzing tests, especially external ones, instead of teaching & planning for teaching by looking @ student work. I’m a better teacher when I discuss a problem of practice w/colleagues & then try out different ideas 2 improve learning. #4thchat
  • plnaugle - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    Example of social studies curriculum map I’ve been working on for the last two years and will update over the summer - https://t.co/QXt3qfgPMB #4thchat
  • ElisaW5 Jun 4 @ 8:57 PM EDT
    Love that your district provides subs to cover your classrooms! Yay! #4thchat
    In reply to @ncarroll24, @plnaugle, @JennRegruth
  • Okahata11 Jun 4 @ 8:57 PM EDT
    My current district uses Pearson. I used to supplement with Eureka in a different district. I may go back to that next year. The rigor is there in Eureka. #4thchat
    In reply to @plnaugle
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    I think you can still plan collaboratively but put your own stamp on how things are delivered. I'd say it's okay to digress as long as it benefits the students (& is connected to the learning.) #4thchat
    In reply to @ElisaW5, @plnaugle, @JennRegruth
  • ElisaW5 Jun 4 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    Thanks #4thchat! Always a pleasure to be here. So many generous educators here. Have a great week! See you next time!
  • Okahata11 Jun 4 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    For those still in. Hang in there! Thanks for making my first chat awesome! #4thchat
  • ncarroll24 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    Mass. is getting new Soc Studies frameworks. It has been a LONG time coming! Will be interesting to see how these changes will take place. #4thchat