#dubMSela Archive

Dublin City Middle School twitter chat around the book Launch by AJ Juliani and John Spencer.

Tuesday July 10, 2018
7:30 PM EDT

  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:30 PM EDT
    I'm Jennifer, your moderator for this evening. I am convinced that the snake is an anaconda, no matter what ODNR says! #dubMSela
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:30 PM EDT
    Hi everyone! Welcome to week #4 of our LAUNCH chat! Please introduce yourself and tell us what kind of snake you think this is! #dubMSela
  • sharondechert Jul 10 @ 7:30 PM EDT
    Hi from Columbus, OH. No traveling this week. Sharon Dechert 7th grade science GMS . I think it is a black snake #dubMSela
  • tecarp Jul 10 @ 7:31 PM EDT
    Good evening! I'm Toby Carpenter, former 8th gr. science teacher at KMS and new tech coach for middle schools. I've scheduled my responses so I can watch my daughter's beach volleyball tournament tonight. I will be reading thru the discussion later. #dubMSela
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:31 PM EDT
    Hi Sharon! Thanks for joining tonight! Do you have more travel plans for the summer? #dubMSela
    In reply to @sharondechert
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:32 PM EDT
    Beach volleyball! That sounds so fun! Hope you are all enjoying yourselves! #dubMSela
    In reply to @tecarp
  • sharondechert Jul 10 @ 7:32 PM EDT
    Cincinnati next week to visit my siblings with my Mom in from Minnesota. #dubMSela
    In reply to @jennifertwolf
  • sharondechert Jul 10 @ 7:33 PM EDT
    Beach volleyball - neat #dubMSela
    In reply to @tecarp
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:33 PM EDT
    Nice! Where did you grow up? #dubMSela
    In reply to @sharondechert
  • sharondechert Jul 10 @ 7:33 PM EDT
    Cincinnati #dubMSela
    In reply to @jennifertwolf
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:35 PM EDT
    Q1 What does student-centered research look like? #dubMSela
  • melsa777 - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:35 PM EDT
    Hello everyone...Couldn't see your tweets for a min...I think it's a water snake...I don't know snakes well. #dubmsela
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:35 PM EDT
    So @sharondechert, you know your Ohio reptiles! @ohiodnr confirmed that the snake in the tree was a black rat snake. He's still on the loose, BTW. #dubMSela
  • melsa777 - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:35 PM EDT
    I saw Sharon at the mall yesterday #dubMSela
    In reply to @sharondechert, @jennifertwolf
  • tecarp Jul 10 @ 7:36 PM EDT
    A!: "When research is real, it doesn't feel like research. It feels like geeking out. It feels like learning" (p.116). Anytime we can make that happen = student centered research. #dubMSela
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:36 PM EDT
    Wrong! You should take a snake science class with @sharondechert #dubMSela
    In reply to @melsa777, @sharondechert
  • sharondechert Jul 10 @ 7:36 PM EDT
    A1 The kids develop the question(s) they are researching. Also, I like the idea that it isn’t just paper pencil from books (what I think of as research). “It isn’t about reading, but it’s about the learning #dubMSela
  • sharondechert Jul 10 @ 7:37 PM EDT
    That is the biggest version of a black rat snake I have ever seen though. #dubMSela
    In reply to @jennifertwolf, @melsa777
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:37 PM EDT
    You should probably specify which mall.... she could be anywhere in the country! #dubMSela
    In reply to @melsa777, @sharondechert
  • melsa777 - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:39 PM EDT
    My husband has this strange movie playing right now...it's hard to concentrate. #dubmsela
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:39 PM EDT
    A1 I like the point that little kids are always "researching." They are innately curious and inquisitive. We have to figure out some ways to keep the spark alive. #dubMSela
  • sharondechert Jul 10 @ 7:39 PM EDT
    A1 Also like the move from using notecards to a format that works. Maybe science fair project research wouldn’t have been as painful #dubMSela
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:39 PM EDT
    Me, too! And I didn't know that they would climb trees. #dubMSela
    In reply to @sharondechert, @melsa777
  • melsa777 - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:39 PM EDT
    A1: Student research...they guide and develop the learning. #dubmsela
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:40 PM EDT
    I agree. It seems that over the years, education has done a number of things that take the fun out of learning. #dubMSela
    In reply to @sharondechert
  • sharondechert Jul 10 @ 7:40 PM EDT
    Story on the news tonight about rat population on the rise in Clintonville. Maybe it will move there.#dubMSela
    In reply to @jennifertwolf, @melsa777
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:41 PM EDT
    A1 Tapping into students' interests is important, too. #dubMSela
  • melsa777 - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:41 PM EDT
    I hated the science fair...it was awful when I was a kid. #dubMSela
    In reply to @sharondechert
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:41 PM EDT
    Gross. #dubMSela
    In reply to @sharondechert, @melsa777
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:41 PM EDT
    What did you hate about it? #dubMSela
    In reply to @melsa777, @sharondechert
  • sharondechert Jul 10 @ 7:41 PM EDT
    It was always the research that the kids hated. Now I see it in an entirely different light. #dubMSela
    In reply to @melsa777
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:43 PM EDT
    Have either of you used the Don Johnston software that the district has? The students either have it loaded on the chromebooks or they can get it loaded on. There are tools for building idea webs and outlines. #dubMSela
  • melsa777 - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:43 PM EDT
    I felt that there wasn't any direction for me...was doing it blindly. #dubMSela
    In reply to @jennifertwolf, @sharondechert
  • sharondechert Jul 10 @ 7:44 PM EDT
    No I have not used it at all. However, it does sound like something that would be useful in the creativity/research process #dubMSela
    In reply to @jennifertwolf
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:44 PM EDT
    I always felt that I didn't have a good idea, and I always felt overwhelmed by all the notecards. As an adult doing academic research, I never used notecards. #dubMSela
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:45 PM EDT
    Q2 What are the benefits of ascribing to an expanded notion of research? #dubMSela
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:45 PM EDT
    It's helpful for students who have trouble organizing their ideas or who (like me) feel overwhelmed by the process. #dubMSela
    In reply to @sharondechert
  • sharondechert Jul 10 @ 7:45 PM EDT
    I really like the idea that the kids record the research in a manner that best suits them. Why didn't we think of that years ago. #dubMSela
    In reply to @jennifertwolf
  • tecarp Jul 10 @ 7:46 PM EDT
    A2: Expanding our idea of research helps make it feel more "real." In reality, the scientific method isn't always followed to a T. Sometimes there are jumps and divergences, just like authentic learning. Benefits everyone to bring those experiences into the classroom. #dubMSela
  • sharondechert Jul 10 @ 7:46 PM EDT
    A2 Allows Ss to explore all types of media provided they pay attention to credibility and bias. Many things discussed in reading hadn’t been in my thoughts as ways to research. Probably get more student ownership to the process #dubMSela
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:46 PM EDT
    A2 An expanded notion of research helps us to tap into student interests and to recognize all the ways of knowing that students come to class with. #dubMSela
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:47 PM EDT
    This is a great point. The SCIENTIFIC PROCESS has always seemed so linear in my mind, when in reality, it's much more cyclical. #dubMSela
    In reply to @tecarp
  • sharondechert Jul 10 @ 7:49 PM EDT
    The linear process is always what the kids see in print so I can easily understand why you think that way. It is tough sometimes to get the kids to realize it can take many paths #dubMSela
    In reply to @jennifertwolf, @tecarp
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:50 PM EDT
    Yes... and with all the info that is all around us every day, it's important to help students sift through and read more critically. I need to keep in mind that we can glean knowledge from photos, paintings, interviews, etc. #dubMSela
    In reply to @sharondechert
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:51 PM EDT
    Now that you say that, I can see the same issues with the writing process. Kids think you go through the steps and - POOF! - finished! #dubMSela
    • sharondechert Jul 10 @ 7:49 PM EDT
      The linear process is always what the kids see in print so I can easily understand why you think that way. It is tough sometimes to get the kids to realize it can take many paths #dubMSela
      In reply to @jennifertwolf, @tecarp
  • melsa777 - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:53 PM EDT
    ah yes...the writing process can be so different to different kids. We make it the same for them all! Not fair...#dubMSela
    In reply to @jennifertwolf
  • JenDalgarn Jul 10 @ 7:53 PM EDT
    Hey ladies, sorry I am coming in late! SS teacher from Sells :) Fashionably late! #dubMSela
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:54 PM EDT
    Howdy, Jen! Thanks for joining! Don't worry about being late... you only missed the snake and Clintonville rat discussions. #dubMSela
    In reply to @JenDalgarn
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:55 PM EDT
    Q3 How have you helped or how could you help students recognize bias in various research sources? #dubMSela
  • sharondechert Jul 10 @ 7:55 PM EDT
    A3 In science, we talk about bias in research and videos, etc on a regular basis. The idea of exposing students to articles, etc that demonstrate bias will be good modeling. I encourage Ss to look at the data, type of website, when it was last updated. #dubMSela
  • sharondechert Jul 10 @ 7:55 PM EDT
    A3 Work through a biased source with students so they can identify things that make the source biased. Hopefully they can carry it over to their own research. #dubMSela
  • tecarp Jul 10 @ 7:56 PM EDT
    A3: We've read different articles on the same scientific topic, then shared/compared, looking for similarities & differences. The discussion resulted in an analysis of bias. #dubMSela
  • JenDalgarn Jul 10 @ 7:57 PM EDT
    A2: Research is not limited, Ss can create their own path to answer their questions and interpret and evaluate new information #dubMSela
  • sharondechert Jul 10 @ 7:57 PM EDT
    As a science teacher I have more wiggly room with writing expectations. With many Ss I look for progress through the year and try to celebrate it with them. #dubMSela
    In reply to @melsa777, @jennifertwolf
  • melsa777 - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:57 PM EDT
    A3: Looking deep into the resources you use or the students choose. I'm sure there's a bias rubric somewhere...#dubMSela
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 7:57 PM EDT
    A3 I like starting with print ads, then moving to different sources on the same topic to see where the bias lies. I also like to have Ss read & write short texts from different perspectives (e.g. Write as if you were a colonist; Write as if you were a Native American) #dubMSela
  • sharondechert Jul 10 @ 7:58 PM EDT
    that is wiggle room #dubMSela
    In reply to @melsa777, @jennifertwolf
  • JenDalgarn Jul 10 @ 7:58 PM EDT
    A3: In the beginning of the school year, I do a historical thinking unit. A large part of historical thinking is corroboration. We look at an event and ask Qs like: what do other pieces of evidence say? Are we finding diff versions of the story- why or why not? #dubMSela
  • JenDalgarn Jul 10 @ 7:59 PM EDT
    A3: cont. What pieces of evidence is most believable. This helps students to start the habit of establishing what is true by comparing sources, and recognize disparities between two accounts #dubMSela
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 8:00 PM EDT
    A3 It's interesting to have Ss analyze language in texts, too. For example, the difference between "there was a group of 500 people there" vs "there was a crowd of 500 people there." #dubMSela
  • JenDalgarn Jul 10 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    Ahh! I love perspective writing in SS too! Helps develop historical empathy! #dubMSela
    In reply to @jennifertwolf
  • sharondechert Jul 10 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    It is important to key them into those subtle differences. #dubMSela
    In reply to @jennifertwolf
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    This is important! It can be really hard for people (kids and adults) to change their thinking about something they've learned when confronted with opposing evidence... especially if it seems to be a commonly held belief! #dubMSela
    In reply to @JenDalgarn
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    I think that is key... when the differences are subtle, it's much more difficult to recognize how an author, etc might be trying to influence our thinking. #dubMSela
    In reply to @sharondechert
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Q4 What are some ways to prevent traditional brainstorming from limiting students’ creativity? #dubMSela
  • sharondechert Jul 10 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    A4 When students yell out ideas to a recorder on the board (whole class brainstorming) the quiet kids get left out and never share their ideas. Also have the danger of the class grasping onto one idea and just moving forward with that one. #dubMSela
  • sharondechert Jul 10 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    A4 The loudest ideas are the ones that tend to be focused upon by the class. They are not always the best, most creative ideas. #dubMSela
  • tecarp Jul 10 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    A4: Love, love, love the ideas outlined in ch. 7 to mix-up brainstorming. @gcouros commented when he spoke at the lit. conf., "The smartest person in the room is the room." Anything that can get thoughts from everyone shared to the group can lead to awesome ideas! #dubMSela
  • sharondechert Jul 10 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    I totally read the question incorrectly. I love the idea to start as an individual and build the group size along the way. #dubMSela
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    A4 If Ss are given some quiet time to write, they have more time to process what they would like to say. Ss can then share out, and have quiet time at the end to write again. Give them freedom to add on to others' ideas or to add to their own ideas. #dubMSela
  • sharondechert Jul 10 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    A4 cont. In addition, moving kids midway through the process is a great idea too. Excellent section in reading. #dubMSela
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    A4 I've found that allowing Ss to write before contributing also supports ELLs. They don't feel pressured to say something off the cuff, but they can read what they've written or have a partner read their idea to the group. #dubMSela
  • melsa777 - Moderator Jul 10 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    A4: We see brainstorming as helping...it can squelch. I'll have to think of ways to reverse it...#dubMSela
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    Totally agree! I had never thought of moving Ss during the brainstorming process! So smart! #dubMSela
    • sharondechert Jul 10 @ 8:07 PM EDT
      A4 cont. In addition, moving kids midway through the process is a great idea too. Excellent section in reading. #dubMSela
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    Yes... really great ideas! #dubMsela
    • tecarp Jul 10 @ 8:06 PM EDT
      A4: Love, love, love the ideas outlined in ch. 7 to mix-up brainstorming. @gcouros commented when he spoke at the lit. conf., "The smartest person in the room is the room." Anything that can get thoughts from everyone shared to the group can lead to awesome ideas! #dubMSela
  • melsa777 - Moderator Jul 10 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    A4b: maybe we can allow for individual brainstorming...see what they can come up with. #dubMSela
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    This is so true! And the loud Ss seem to be consistently loud! #dubMSela
    • sharondechert Jul 10 @ 8:05 PM EDT
      A4 The loudest ideas are the ones that tend to be focused upon by the class. They are not always the best, most creative ideas. #dubMSela
  • sharondechert Jul 10 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    Issue is often the loud ones think their ideas are better than the others. This process is a nice diplomatic way to prevent issues #dubMSela
    In reply to @jennifertwolf
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    Q5 What advantages do you see in having students use the 5-step process for choosing an idea? #dubMSela
  • melsa777 - Moderator Jul 10 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    The movie is based on The Room...strange. It's over now. #dubMSela
  • sharondechert Jul 10 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    A5 The 5 step process allows kids to really narrow down their ideas to the best one(s). Not having kids leap ahead from brainstorming to the parts framework, should ensure a practical, usable idea to be chosen by the group. #dubMSela
  • sharondechert Jul 10 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    A5 Ss often have great ideas but no real idea how to put them into practice. These steps will really help. #dubMSela
  • tecarp Jul 10 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    A5: it's kind of like using a graphic organizer to outline ideas for a writing assignment. Provides a framework that asks kids to think about lots of different ways to approach a problem/question. Teaches critical thinking about a proposed solution. #dubMSela
  • sharondechert Jul 10 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    love the analogy #dubMSela
    In reply to @tecarp
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    A5 It seems like the steps would help Ss slow down and think through their ideas... let ideas percolate and reduce impulsive racing to the end to be done. #dubMSela
  • melsa777 - Moderator Jul 10 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    A5: The five step process allows the Ss to refine and really think deeply about their idea. Much deeper than normal brainstorming. #dubMSela
  • JenDalgarn Jul 10 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    A4: I like the idea of students brainstorming independently first. Then experimenting w/ group structure where all Ss can share ideas, having breaks built in for individual reflection. I also really like the idea of using multiple visual methods to record ideas. #dubMSela
  • melsa777 - Moderator Jul 10 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    As do I...I really need to reread this section to refine my understanding. #dubMSela
    In reply to @JenDalgarn
  • JenDalgarn Jul 10 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    A5: An important advantage to the 5-step process of choosing an idea is that it creates discussion and debate. Ss need to be capable of collaborating & working together for success. Building off of each other in a productive & respectful way = life skill! #dubMSela
  • sharondechert Jul 10 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    I always have to reread - even as I answer the questions. #dubMSela
    In reply to @melsa777, @JenDalgarn
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    Q6 How can the PARTS framework for planning empower students? #dubMSela
  • sharondechert Jul 10 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    A6 The framework gives Ss a clear understanding of what needs to be accomplished, by whom and when it needs to be done. It really does keep the kids from jumping to a product without thinking it out. Love it #dubMSela
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    Me too! #dubMSela
    In reply to @sharondechert, @melsa777, @JenDalgarn
  • tecarp Jul 10 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    A6: PARTS can provide guidelines/structure without making very specific demands on students. It allows for a lot of flexibility of thinking and customization, but ensures all the PARTS (HA!) are included/addressed. #dubMSela
  • melsa777 - Moderator Jul 10 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    A6: The parts are a guide for students. Kind of like a checklist for them to follow as they move through. #dubMSela
  • JenDalgarn Jul 10 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    A6: Roles are more engaging for Ss when each part of the creative process has purpose and meaning. Producing a solution through collective effort gives Ss motivation to find success. (pg. 149) #dubMSela
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    A6 Seems like the PARTS framework will help Ss stay engaged. As Ss choose roles, they can play to their strengths or select a role that is more challenging for them. #dubMSela
  • JenDalgarn Jul 10 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    A6: cont. There is a sense of community in accomplishments that are obtained through joint effort and ‘togetherness’- success through and as a community of learners is very meaningful. #dubMSela
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    Thank you all for joining our chat! As always, you've given me so much to think about! Check the web site later for the archive! https://t.co/u10mvPklvu We will see you next week for LAUNCH ch8-9! #dubMSela
  • sharondechert Jul 10 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    Outstanding point! #dubMSela
    In reply to @JenDalgarn
  • jennifertwolf - Moderator Jul 10 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    Before signing off, see if you can identify this spider that we found in our tree house. And sleep tight, friends! #dubMSela