#edchatie Archive


Monday January 7, 2019
3:30 PM EST

  • fboss Jan 7 @ 3:30 PM EST
    Welcome to tonight's #edchatie discussion. As usual, before we begin, please introduce yourself and remember to add the hashtag #edchatie into all of your tweets for the next hour of live discussion.
  • AineMcMahon Jan 7 @ 3:31 PM EST
    Young people returned to school today after the Christmas holidays but for young carers like Shauna Tighe (14) who cares for her severely disabled brother Daniel (11), the past fortnight has been anything but a break #edchatie https://t.co/NurBIXNA3I
  • johnmayo Jan 7 @ 3:31 PM EST
    John teaching in Carnew Wickla! #edchatie
  • DublinMaker Jan 7 @ 3:33 PM EST
    Hi #edchatie, there’s a paid 2 year Maker Advocate position going with #DublinMaker. Applications close 21/01/19 https://t.co/81reUfV9W4
  • fboss Jan 7 @ 3:35 PM EST
    Fred Boss, 2nd level Art teacher, currently with @NCCAie and looking forward to tonight's live hour-long #edchatie discussion
  • CuffeL Jan 7 @ 3:35 PM EST
    Laurence Cuffe #edchatie Adult ed math teacher with #kwetb
  • topgold Jan 7 @ 3:35 PM EST
    I'm topgold on all good social networks and my day job is on one of the LIT campuses as a creative media lecturer. #edchatie
    In reply to @fboss
  • CatrionaGolden Jan 7 @ 3:36 PM EST
    Trina, teaching principal in Ennis. Hope everyone had a relaxing and recharging holiday! #edchatie
    In reply to @fboss
  • johnmayo Jan 7 @ 3:37 PM EST
    I have been lucky that I have not worked in a toxic school workplace but have worked in a pretty bad non school work environment #edchatie
  • BridCarlow Jan 7 @ 3:37 PM EST
    Brid , special Ed. Teacher in Carlow #edchatie
  • choiceIrregular Jan 7 @ 3:38 PM EST
    Laurie, science communicator in the midlands #edchatie
  • fboss Jan 7 @ 3:38 PM EST
    Welcome to tonight's #edchatie discussion on "Dealing with a negative school culture" I think there's a very active LIT Animation Course account down there on Facebook #edchatie
    In reply to @topgold
  • fboss Jan 7 @ 3:39 PM EST
    For the next hour on tonight's #edchatie we are set to discuss "Dealing with a negative school culture" What are your thoughts, ideas about tonight's topic?
  • ruanemedu Jan 7 @ 3:39 PM EST
    Mary Guidance Counsellor happy new year to all #edchatie
  • RMMul Jan 7 @ 3:40 PM EST
    #edchatie #negativeschoolculture
    • fboss Jan 7 @ 3:30 PM EST
      Welcome to tonight's #edchatie discussion. As usual, before we begin, please introduce yourself and remember to add the hashtag #edchatie into all of your tweets for the next hour of live discussion.
  • johnmayo Jan 7 @ 3:40 PM EST
    What has been the biggest cause to cause this negativity #edchatie
  • ruanemedu Jan 7 @ 3:42 PM EST
    What do we mean by negative culture #edchatie
  • languagesdude Jan 7 @ 3:43 PM EST
    Another great service with great people willing to go the extra mile to help us #MFL teachers 😉 #edchatie
    • PDST_MFL Jan 7 @ 3:41 PM EST
      Happy New Year to you all. New year. New opportunity for school support in MFL. Every little helps 😉
  • johnmayo Jan 7 @ 3:46 PM EST
    .#edchatie is it more the culture of the staffroom or the school in general? Sorry for answering your question with another question
    In reply to @ruanemedu
  • ruanemedu Jan 7 @ 3:46 PM EST
    From experience in a few second level schools & having had teachers/staff come talk to me, in a lot of cases poor communication leads to negativity #edchatie
  • fboss Jan 7 @ 3:46 PM EST
    I think school culture can be viewed as the foundations of a school, how it functions and the atmosphere that exists within it. #edchatie
    In reply to @ruanemedu
  • CatrionaGolden Jan 7 @ 3:48 PM EST
    An article I read recently: 'In a toxic school environment, "teacher relations are often conflictual, the staff doesn't believe in the ability of the students to succeed, and a generally negative attitude" prevails.' Would people agree? https://t.co/CQ4okBufD9 #edchatie
  • CuffeL Jan 7 @ 3:50 PM EST
    Negative culture Insecure teachers sarcastically critical of management, backbiting and deeply insecure about their own practice. Key diagnostic, lack of trust in all directions. Student to teacher, teacher to student, management to staff etc... #edchatie
  • CatrionaGolden Jan 7 @ 3:50 PM EST
    Agreed. I'd say there's a lot of ways to get to a negative school culture. Top down, with leaders who are very dictatorial and agressive, or the opposite where leaders are too hands off and permissive and the students don't treat staff with respect. #edchatie
    In reply to @ruanemedu
  • johnmayo Jan 7 @ 3:50 PM EST
    A lot of staffrooms need more fun! #edchatie
  • fboss Jan 7 @ 3:52 PM EST
    As @ruanemedu mentioned, would this be down to poor communication? #edchatie
    • CatrionaGolden Jan 7 @ 3:48 PM EST
      An article I read recently: 'In a toxic school environment, "teacher relations are often conflictual, the staff doesn't believe in the ability of the students to succeed, and a generally negative attitude" prevails.' Would people agree? https://t.co/CQ4okBufD9 #edchatie
  • CatrionaGolden Jan 7 @ 3:52 PM EST
    Also bottom up, where staff are unmotivated or unwilling and act as strong resistors to any change at all The most toxic type for me, is the 'clique' style in some places where staff treat each other poorly leading to a very difficult environment for some people. #edchatie
    In reply to @ruanemedu
  • ruanemedu Jan 7 @ 3:53 PM EST
    There will always be a spectrum of engagement & negativity irrespective of cause, the solution as far as it is reachable is to communicate, determine with each individual what the issue is #edchatie of course who asks the questions & how are important
  • CatrionaGolden Jan 7 @ 3:53 PM EST
    It can be. I wouldn't say it's the only possible cause though. Dictatorial leadership can lead to staff giving up, regardless of whether they would have tried to communicate previously. There are leaders who simply don't want to hear it. My way or the highway style. #edchatie
    In reply to @fboss, @ruanemedu
  • CuffeL Jan 7 @ 3:55 PM EST
    In part. It may also be a result of lack of recognition of the effort a teacher has put in, or a dismissal by management or fellow teachers of their voluntary efforts. #edchatie
    In reply to @fboss, @ruanemedu
  • ruanemedu Jan 7 @ 3:56 PM EST
    When one digs down, the source of negativity is some emotion, often hurt #edchatie nobody’s or anybody’s fault, but if negativity isn’t addressed it is contagious like stress or calm
  • CatrionaGolden Jan 7 @ 3:58 PM EST
    Sometimes, particularly in smaller schools, just the personality mix is a huge factor. And it's a difficult one to judge when hiring. You have to get that sense of being a team right which can be an enormous challenge. #edchatie
    In reply to @CuffeL, @fboss, @ruanemedu
  • johnmayo Jan 7 @ 3:58 PM EST
    @AlbemarleHigh and the School PTSO were very good at looking after teachers with free BBQ and candy (sweets) #edchatie we also had a monthly faculty breakfast which always help with morale
  • ScoilnetPrimary Jan 7 @ 4:00 PM EST
    Did you know that Scoilnet Primary has an amazing collection of STEM Resources?? We have a dedicated STEM section containing links to lesson plans, websites and online activities. https://t.co/4OyPoZfhnz #DigitalLearning #DigitalLiteracy #edchatie #Scoilnet #FreeResources
  • CuffeL Jan 7 @ 4:00 PM EST
    This can be very disillusioning. An older teacher can circle the wagons and make a staffroom a very hostile place. This can happen because they feel threatened by new blood full of ideas and enthusiasm. We tried that and it never worked. These students are unteachable. #edchatie
    In reply to @CatrionaGolden, @ruanemedu
  • obuachallas Jan 7 @ 4:03 PM EST
    #edchatie alot of factors contributing to negative school culture have been identified through tweets tonight. Any suggestions on how to deal with negative culture though? Dónal, pp teacher of Gaeilge and history, currently seconded to @NCCAie
  • CatrionaGolden Jan 7 @ 4:03 PM EST
    To be fair, it's not always an 'older' teacher thing. I've seen groups of young staff isolate other staff members. I've also seen huge oneupmanship between staff which can lead to a very toxic culture where staff are overworked and exhausted trying to live up to it. #edchatie
    In reply to @CuffeL, @ruanemedu
  • fboss Jan 7 @ 4:03 PM EST
    We're just past the halfway mark in tonight's live #edchatie discussion on the topic of "Dealing with a negative school culture" What are your thoughts?
  • ruanemedu Jan 7 @ 4:04 PM EST
    It’s amazing the conclusions we come to about people without talking or communicating with them #edchatie assumptions & projections etc if a colleague appears negative it is important to find out why, many times I’ve found that others assumed wrongly
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  • CuffeL Jan 7 @ 4:06 PM EST
    Management that don't listen, policies that look good on paper, but which get no support when you go to implement them, communications that just disappear into a vacuum, these can all contribute. #edchatie
    In reply to @CatrionaGolden, @fboss, @ruanemedu
  • fboss Jan 7 @ 4:06 PM EST
    Nice way to bring people together based on work but not necessarily concerned with work matters #edchatie
    • johnmayo Jan 7 @ 3:58 PM EST
      @AlbemarleHigh and the School PTSO were very good at looking after teachers with free BBQ and candy (sweets) #edchatie we also had a monthly faculty breakfast which always help with morale
  • CatrionaGolden Jan 7 @ 4:07 PM EST
    Some good stuff here for leaders on shaping change https://t.co/ijP70Pn3ha For Teachers, my recommendation would be that is a school culture is so negative that its affecting your mental health, and you don't have the agency to change it, leave. Lifes too short. #edchatie
    In reply to @obuachallas, @NCCAie
  • johnmayo Jan 7 @ 4:07 PM EST
    Do any Irish schools do this? We were a very large school -175 teaching staff- it was a great way to meet people #edchatie
  • CuffeL Jan 7 @ 4:09 PM EST
    Good call on me being ageist, and your right a group of bright young things are perfectly capable of dismissing all the old fuddy duddies out of hand. #edchatie
    In reply to @CatrionaGolden, @ruanemedu
  • miriambergin Jan 7 @ 4:09 PM EST
    #edchatie Miriam PP teacher in Thurles....am late, just catching up now..
  • fboss Jan 7 @ 4:10 PM EST
    Thanks for the link to that article - just finished going through it - interesting points made throughout. #edchatie https://t.co/P5XEulDqdR
    In reply to @CatrionaGolden
  • miriambergin Jan 7 @ 4:10 PM EST
    @johnmayo like the breakfast idea..... #edchatie
    In reply to @fboss, @johnmayo
  • ruanemedu Jan 7 @ 4:11 PM EST
    Must say good night, #edchatie thank you @fboss just sometimes we (human nature) forget communication two way, top down bottom up, across Dept, nothing improves if we don’t all try, give, take #Wellbeing
  • johnmayo Jan 7 @ 4:12 PM EST
    #edchatie it was a great way to get people to hook up for cross curricular projects. Also we would have a very long spring term-11 weeks long so any break from the grind was always welcomed
    In reply to @fboss
  • johnmayo Jan 7 @ 4:14 PM EST
    #edchatie each dept would host it on a rotation. My smoked salmon was always very popular. The PTSO ( Parents Council basically) would sponsor a couple of events. Also local business would donate stuff. Two local pizzarias were also very generous.
    In reply to @miriambergin, @fboss
  • CuffeL Jan 7 @ 4:14 PM EST
    There's actually a lot about this in the corporate world https://t.co/bj3gKoGlc9 I found Orla O’Donnell and Richard Boyle "Understanding and Managing Organisational Culture" quite readable, though long. #edchatie
    In reply to @CatrionaGolden, @obuachallas, @NCCAie
  • fboss Jan 7 @ 4:17 PM EST
    Interesting focus, through SPHE, on creating a positive school climate on @PDSTie website: https://t.co/5jeuuEkv7Z #edchatie
  • CatrionaGolden Jan 7 @ 4:17 PM EST
    I did a Masters in Leadership a few years ago. One third of the course was based on culture and cultural change. The body of research around it is absolutely enormous. Very easy to get list down the rabbit hole but very interesting stuff. #edchatie
    In reply to @CuffeL, @obuachallas, @NCCAie
  • EPInsight Jan 7 @ 4:17 PM EST
    Pupils who present as hyper-vigilant, anxious & out of control - due to experiences of #trauma - can elicit similar feelings in the adults around them. Policy/practice, communication & support from SMT determine how well staff can guard against compassion fatigue #edchatie
    • fboss Jan 7 @ 3:39 PM EST
      For the next hour on tonight's #edchatie we are set to discuss "Dealing with a negative school culture" What are your thoughts, ideas about tonight's topic?
  • amcreaven Jan 7 @ 4:17 PM EST
    Great to read about the latest #DEIS evaluation from @ERC_irl #edchatie
  • breffniconaty Jan 7 @ 4:18 PM EST
    Think this is a key point “break from grind”. A bit of planning should identify key times when pressure is on teachers & arrange events like this or others to break that up. Imagine six events would probably cover it. #edchatie
    In reply to @johnmayo, @fboss
  • miriambergin Jan 7 @ 4:20 PM EST
    #edchatie in September our school mgt organised a talk for us from @DeclanCoyleNow , he spoke of the green platform and how to see things postively...most people got it!! Enhanced a positive attitude in the workplace..
  • CuffeL Jan 7 @ 4:22 PM EST
    Indeed. But I think we don't have to re-invent the wheel on this, and even a fairly cursory run through the literature can yield a lot of understanding when your in toxic situation. Naming the disease can be a huge step towards curing it! #edchatie
    In reply to @CatrionaGolden, @obuachallas, @NCCAie
  • johnmayo Jan 7 @ 4:23 PM EST
    #edchatie Really miss Virginia BBQ since I came home https://t.co/DSQQ9f5FAe
    In reply to @AGRIemma
  • fboss Jan 7 @ 4:25 PM EST
    We're into the famous final fiv e minutes of tonight's live #edchatie hour of discussion on "Dealing with a negative school culture" Any last thoughts, ideas, questions or solutions?
  • CuffeL Jan 7 @ 4:27 PM EST
    We had a staff breakfast last year before conferring for the previous years students. It all worked very well. #edchatie
    In reply to @miriambergin, @fboss, @johnmayo
  • CuffeL Jan 7 @ 4:28 PM EST
    Valium sprays on all the main stairs... #edchatie
    In reply to @fboss
  • fboss Jan 7 @ 4:29 PM EST
    I think all of these type of events help to keep a positive undercurrent flowing within a school #edchatie
    In reply to @CuffeL, @miriambergin, @johnmayo
  • miriambergin Jan 7 @ 4:29 PM EST
    #edchatie I think as long as tchrs feel valued & work done appreciated, then a positive workplace will prevail. Systems need to be in place to enable a collaborative workplace and rotate some jobs etc big events if possible...team work is vital...and support each other.