#caedchat Archive

#caedchat is for California educators, by California educators. All are welcome as moderators and participants discuss issues that emerge in California education, which are generally applicable to other regions of the United States.

Sunday September 30, 2018
11:00 PM EDT

  • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:00 PM EDT
    Welcome to tonight’s #caedchat everyone! The original “Getting Down to Facts” (GDTF) research synthesis came out in 2007. The update - GDTF II - is brand new and gives us plenty to discuss about education in California! Follow @edpolicyinca to stay informed.
  • MrsMurat Sep 30 @ 11:00 PM EDT
    Have a couple minutes to give our #DigCit student blogs feedback on the results of us Googling ourselves? Thank you! Please RT. https://t.co/KrEbQ0MtSL #caedchat
  • CAedchat Sep 30 @ 11:00 PM EDT
    You can preview all of the #caedchat questions for tonight here: https://t.co/tVGe16C0GD During the chat, moderator will tweet questions as Q1, Q2, etc. and participants reply with A1, A2… don’t forget the #caedchat hashtag!
  • CAedchat Sep 30 @ 11:00 PM EDT
    Good evening, everyone! Thanks for joining us! Time for #caedchat - topic is “Getting Down to Facts” about CA schools, teaching. Moderator is @CohenD - tonight’s questions come from a synthesis of ed. research you can find here: https://t.co/XB30YCzx2D
  • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:01 PM EDT
    Q0: Before we get into the heart of the conversation, let’s see who’s with us tonight. I’m David, a high school English teacher and writer from Palo Alto #caedchat
  • principledlady Sep 30 @ 11:01 PM EDT
    I'm here! Leila Deputy Superintendent from Escondido ready to engage with my favorite community #caedchat
  • CAedchat Sep 30 @ 11:02 PM EDT
    Welcome back to #caedchat - always good to see you Leila!
    In reply to @principledlady
  • learnswithzeal Sep 30 @ 11:02 PM EDT
    #caedchat Nicole Chun 4th grade and tech coordinator
  • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:03 PM EDT
    Yes - #caedchat brings in some wonderful people! Let’s chat right now, folks - 8-9 pm
    • principledlady Sep 30 @ 11:01 PM EDT
      I'm here! Leila Deputy Superintendent from Escondido ready to engage with my favorite community #caedchat
  • LemarrTreadwell Sep 30 @ 11:04 PM EDT
    Hello #caedchat pln. Lemarr Treadwell, Fresno CA. MIE Expert, Adjunct Professor, Fresno Unified MEC Consultant.
  • DKriedeman Sep 30 @ 11:04 PM EDT
    Hello Doug from Oceanside. School Improvement Coach from @COREdistricts Excited to talk improvement of oppurtunities for ALL students in California! #caedchat
  • CAedchat Sep 30 @ 11:04 PM EDT
    Good to see you, Nicole - always appreciate having you join in #caedchat
    In reply to @learnswithzeal
  • PamRabin Sep 30 @ 11:04 PM EDT
    Pam Rabin, Project Specialist Ed Tech for @SanDiegoCOE, also @SanDiego_CUE Board Member #caedchat
  • Filibuster3 Sep 30 @ 11:05 PM EDT
    Looking forward to tonight's #caedchat! Tech trainer and former SpEd and GenEd teacher
  • CAedchat Sep 30 @ 11:05 PM EDT
    -------> Q1 coming up from @CohenD - get ready #caedchat
  • principledlady Sep 30 @ 11:05 PM EDT
    I had the opportunity to give a mini-lesson about the power of Twitter and the importance of joining the @caedchat PLN with the 2018 and 2019 San Diego County Teachers of the year yesterday. I hope someone joins in tonight #caedchat
  • Dale_Chu Sep 30 @ 11:05 PM EDT
    HAPPENING NOW: @CohenD hosting a chat on schools and teaching in California. Follow along at #CAedchat! @CAedchat
  • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:05 PM EDT
    Q1: “Getting Down to Facts” (GDTF) suggests CA education policy is headed in the right direction overall? Do you agree? Why/not? #caedchat
  • lewis1jj Sep 30 @ 11:05 PM EDT
    JJ Lewis, Superintendent for @CompassCs, a #virtual #charterschool serving 17 counties throughout central & southern California! Looking forward to tonight’s #caedchat!
  • HollyClarkEdu - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:07 PM EDT
    10 Teacher Memes That Will Make You Laugh https://t.co/S13VPe9NAz #edtechteam #caedchat
  • principledlady Sep 30 @ 11:07 PM EDT
    A1: I believe that the move to LCFF is a move in the right direction. Within the eight state priority areas there is a great deal of flexibility for districts to direct funds to their specific needs. I think that the LCAP template is a compliance nightmare. Boo hiss! #caedchat
    • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:05 PM EDT
      Q1: “Getting Down to Facts” (GDTF) suggests CA education policy is headed in the right direction overall? Do you agree? Why/not? #caedchat
  • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:07 PM EDT
    forgot the #caedchat hashtag - and I'm the moderator?! sheesh!
    • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:06 PM EDT
      And just to clarify for the real eduwonks out there - we’re talking about Getting Down to Facts TWO - the 2018 follow up to the 2007 work by @edpolicyinca
  • KatieJMcNamara Sep 30 @ 11:07 PM EDT
    Hey hey #CAedchat high school teacher librarian empowering in central valley and @fpu adjunct.
  • JewylClarke Sep 30 @ 11:07 PM EDT
    Jewyl Clarke, Integrated Curriculum Coordinator working in CTE, Pathways, CCR and STEAM for @SanDiegoCOE #caedchat
  • Dale_Chu Sep 30 @ 11:08 PM EDT
    A1: For better or for worse, California has always bucked national trends on #edpolicy. Embracing data more wholeheartedly could help get the state moving in the right direction https://t.co/8kSl3pkiMJ #CAedchat
    In reply to @CohenD
  • JoeMarquez70 Sep 30 @ 11:08 PM EDT
    Joe Marquez here, K-12 EdStrategist from Fresno/Clovis here! #CAedchat
  • MrSmall215 Sep 30 @ 11:09 PM EDT
    A1: We have a tendency to focus in the flavir of the moment, rather than take an honest look at the disastrous structures that have been in place in our state... things are improving, but we have far to go... #caedchat
    • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:05 PM EDT
      Q1: “Getting Down to Facts” (GDTF) suggests CA education policy is headed in the right direction overall? Do you agree? Why/not? #caedchat
  • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:09 PM EDT
    I’ve heard that consistently from district admin - the concept is popular and the paperwork is dreadful #caedchat
    In reply to @principledlady
  • MrSmall215 Sep 30 @ 11:10 PM EDT
    Hello Everyone! Its just little ol' me... Victor in San Francisco... #caedchat
  • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:10 PM EDT
    Getting Down to Facts does address needs for more data, more access, transparency, coherence - though there’s no question about that topic later in #caedchat
    In reply to @Dale_Chu
  • JoeMarquez70 Sep 30 @ 11:10 PM EDT
    Q1: Now that CA has CS standards I think we are heading in the right direction. I hope coding becomes considered a core class like Science/math/English #teaching #CAedchat
    In reply to @CohenD
  • PamRabin Sep 30 @ 11:10 PM EDT
    I think the goals are worthy but we still have work to do when it comes to equity and per pupil spending. #caedchat
  • DKriedeman Sep 30 @ 11:11 PM EDT
    A1: I am a positive person by nature so I want to believe the bright spots that exist across the system are being emulated and replicated. I am concerned about the urgency of policy leaders to make the shift fast enough. #caedchat
  • learnswithzeal Sep 30 @ 11:11 PM EDT
    A1 there are steps in the right direction but there is much work to be done to truly address acheivement gap as well as some fundemental structural failures. Still too much 19th cen infastructure. #caedchat
  • CAedchat Sep 30 @ 11:11 PM EDT
    Lots of answers so far anticipating later questions! -------> Q2 about to launch - @CohenD sending in 3...2...1... #caedchat
  • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:12 PM EDT
    Q2: GDTF researchers interviewed many teachers, administrators, district and county leaders, finding consensus that CA should stay the course on reforms. How do change and continuity in state policy affect teachers and students? #caedchat
  • learnswithzeal Sep 30 @ 11:12 PM EDT
    YES! This is imperative! #caedchat
    • JoeMarquez70 Sep 30 @ 11:10 PM EDT
      Q1: Now that CA has CS standards I think we are heading in the right direction. I hope coding becomes considered a core class like Science/math/English #teaching #CAedchat
      In reply to @CohenD
  • LemarrTreadwell Sep 30 @ 11:12 PM EDT
    A1. I agree with the Summary report that says, "Large achievement gaps persist in California by race, ethnicity, income, and English learner (EL) status." Is this because we aren't allowing teacher autonomy, mastery & purpose (Dan Pink)? #caedchat
    • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:05 PM EDT
      Q1: “Getting Down to Facts” (GDTF) suggests CA education policy is headed in the right direction overall? Do you agree? Why/not? #caedchat
  • KatieJMcNamara Sep 30 @ 11:13 PM EDT
    Would like to see CS and Middle School Library standards implemented. Adoption is not enough. #CAedchat
    In reply to @JoeMarquez70, @CohenD
  • 8blah8blah8 Sep 30 @ 11:13 PM EDT
    #CAedchat 👋🏽. Shabana Jameel I taught 🍎1stGr. I will be lurking. #YOUonLifetime @YouOnLifetime
  • principledlady Sep 30 @ 11:13 PM EDT
    A1: I believe the addition of Sup. and Concentration grant $ as a part of the LCFF helps to bridge the opportunity gap. In high poverty districts like mine it has allowed us to bring systemic suports for academics (coaching and intervention) SEL supports and Parent #caedchat
  • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:13 PM EDT
    Interesting challenge to meet urgency but stay patient re: trends, results??? #caedchat
    In reply to @DKriedeman
  • PamRabin Sep 30 @ 11:14 PM EDT
    Totally on the same page! Your answer flows well into Q2! #caedchat
    In reply to @LemarrTreadwell
  • LemarrTreadwell Sep 30 @ 11:14 PM EDT
    Q2. I recommend a more balanced approach to Professional Development in school districts between Formal, Support Systems & Informal Learning. #caedchat
    • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:12 PM EDT
      Q2: GDTF researchers interviewed many teachers, administrators, district and county leaders, finding consensus that CA should stay the course on reforms. How do change and continuity in state policy affect teachers and students? #caedchat
  • MelissaSpadin Sep 30 @ 11:14 PM EDT
    Melissa Spadin, Assessment Coordinator at SDCOE! Research shows that change is a 3-5 year process. We often expect results way sooner than they can be achieved, and change course too soon!! #caedchat
    In reply to @CohenD
  • Dale_Chu Sep 30 @ 11:15 PM EDT
    A2: Continuity can be helpful from a consistency standpoint, but it can also run the risk of too slow of a pace. Our students and teachers don’t have the luxury of waiting for the system to catch up to their needs. #CAedchat
    In reply to @CohenD
  • lewis1jj Sep 30 @ 11:15 PM EDT
    A1 Yes - I think we are on the right path. There will always be work to do, & it can be done if we are on the right track & focused on what benefits students. That is what it’s all about, serving scholars & ensuring policy & procedure allow us to do that. @edpolicyinca #caedchat
    • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:05 PM EDT
      Q1: “Getting Down to Facts” (GDTF) suggests CA education policy is headed in the right direction overall? Do you agree? Why/not? #caedchat
  • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:15 PM EDT
    I think “Drive” should be required reading in education! I refer to it frequently in my own writing and presentations #caedchat
    In reply to @LemarrTreadwell
  • principledlady Sep 30 @ 11:16 PM EDT
    A2: The balance between innovation/change and staying the course is a tricky road to navigate It takes time in mid to large districts for things to take root. We become impatient and are fascinated by the "next new shiny thing" Beware of that trap. #caedchat
  • LemarrTreadwell Sep 30 @ 11:16 PM EDT
    Amen, amen … technology should not be a shiny new tool. We need to look at the learning and dins the tool that helps us achieve this for ALL students. #caedchat
    • learnswithzeal Sep 30 @ 11:12 PM EDT
      YES! This is imperative! #caedchat
      • JoeMarquez70 Sep 30 @ 11:10 PM EDT
        Q1: Now that CA has CS standards I think we are heading in the right direction. I hope coding becomes considered a core class like Science/math/English #teaching #CAedchat
        In reply to @CohenD
  • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:16 PM EDT
    At the same time, it can take 2-3 years (more?) to feel like we have a real handle on something new - if it’s big/broad enough #caedchat
    In reply to @Dale_Chu
  • DKriedeman Sep 30 @ 11:17 PM EDT
    I would pile on per pupil spending in general. We, California, has the sixth largest economy in the world - bigger than the UK and yet we spend less than half the country. #caedchat
    In reply to @PamRabin
  • Dale_Chu Sep 30 @ 11:18 PM EDT
    There's a Catch-22 element there, for sure. #caedchat
    In reply to @CohenD
  • CAedchat Sep 30 @ 11:18 PM EDT
    -------> Q3 is the third question of #caedchat - go figure! Coming soon. Thanks @CohenD
  • MrSmall215 Sep 30 @ 11:18 PM EDT
    A2: Every decision made at the top has ripple affects... think the butterfly affect... any slight alterations, means counties, then cities, then districts, then schools, etc. Must adapt... that's not always easy... or quick #caedchat
    • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:12 PM EDT
      Q2: GDTF researchers interviewed many teachers, administrators, district and county leaders, finding consensus that CA should stay the course on reforms. How do change and continuity in state policy affect teachers and students? #caedchat
  • LemarrTreadwell Sep 30 @ 11:18 PM EDT
    Melissa is so right on! This is where leadership comes into play! Are leaders today prepared for the wave of technology that is transforming our daily lives? #caedchat
    • MelissaSpadin Sep 30 @ 11:14 PM EDT
      Melissa Spadin, Assessment Coordinator at SDCOE! Research shows that change is a 3-5 year process. We often expect results way sooner than they can be achieved, and change course too soon!! #caedchat
      In reply to @CohenD
  • DKriedeman Sep 30 @ 11:18 PM EDT
    ...and there are groups of students who have been waiting for anything to work. #Equity. #caedchat
    In reply to @learnswithzeal, @CohenD
  • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:19 PM EDT
    Q3: CA test scores lag behind nation, even controlling for demographics, BUT are improving at a greater rate than national average. Does this kind of information have an impact at the school/classroom level? #caedchat
  • learnswithzeal Sep 30 @ 11:19 PM EDT
    A2 It is hard to find that balance between the two. The need for continuity to really allow policy to achieve its purpose is sometimes daunting and can be in conflict with innovation. #caedchat
  • Dale_Chu Sep 30 @ 11:19 PM EDT
    Amen Leila. The shiny new thing syndrome is very real in both education and ed policy. #caedchat
    In reply to @principledlady
  • LemarrTreadwell Sep 30 @ 11:20 PM EDT
    Love your thinking here, Leila. #caedchat
    • principledlady Sep 30 @ 11:16 PM EDT
      A2: The balance between innovation/change and staying the course is a tricky road to navigate It takes time in mid to large districts for things to take root. We become impatient and are fascinated by the "next new shiny thing" Beware of that trap. #caedchat
  • KatieJMcNamara Sep 30 @ 11:20 PM EDT
    CA needs to spend more per pupil than per prisoner #CAedchat
    In reply to @DKriedeman, @PamRabin
  • KatieJMcNamara Sep 30 @ 11:21 PM EDT
    Kids don't have 3 years to wait for things to get better #CAedchat
    In reply to @CohenD, @Dale_Chu
  • LemarrTreadwell Sep 30 @ 11:21 PM EDT
    This from Doug >>>>>>>> @DKriedeman #caedchat
    • DKriedeman Sep 30 @ 11:17 PM EDT
      I would pile on per pupil spending in general. We, California, has the sixth largest economy in the world - bigger than the UK and yet we spend less than half the country. #caedchat
      In reply to @PamRabin
  • Dale_Chu Sep 30 @ 11:22 PM EDT
    A3: Not sure how much this is felt in the day-to-day at the classroom level. That is, unless this improvement translates to specific information that teachers can use to inform their instruction. #CAedchat
    In reply to @CohenD
  • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:23 PM EDT
    I’d expect there is some research about that - I know I’ve heard some very smart researchers suggest similar timelines, slow change #caedchat
    In reply to @GenvieveD, @Dale_Chu
  • MelissaSpadin Sep 30 @ 11:23 PM EDT
    Most of the data we need, we don't have or it isn't valid. Great #assessmentliteracy for all education stakeholders would help in this area! #caedchat #assessmenlitislit🔥 https://t.co/MLOUZLuIy8
    In reply to @CohenD
  • LemarrTreadwell Sep 30 @ 11:23 PM EDT
    A3. Why Are Finland’s Schools Successful? The Finnish national curriculum emphasizes collaborative learning and introducing students to new learning environments. They say, "Keep the Learning, change the tools." #caedchat
    • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:19 PM EDT
      Q3: CA test scores lag behind nation, even controlling for demographics, BUT are improving at a greater rate than national average. Does this kind of information have an impact at the school/classroom level? #caedchat
  • principledlady Sep 30 @ 11:23 PM EDT
    A3: I don't know many classroom teachers who truly value the assessment system. High stakes testing is something that more fight than embrace. I was happy to see CA move away from 2nd grade but I'm not sure that we should use the same kind of assessment tool 3-11 #caEdchat
  • DKriedeman Sep 30 @ 11:23 PM EDT
    A2: Policy makers often seek a magic bullet, meaning change that is good for all constituents. Continuity can be good if there is a plan or goal to truly provide #Equity for all! #Equity is good on twitter but is often politically rough in decision making. #caedchat
  • PamRabin Sep 30 @ 11:23 PM EDT
    A2) I wonder how to allow change at the local level to happen more organically, responsively, and quickly while still working toward big CA goals? How’s that work? What’s it look like? How does it not splinter off into pockets of innovation and pockets of stagnation? #caedchat
  • MrSmall215 Sep 30 @ 11:24 PM EDT
    Q3: We still have gaps in achievement based on a flawed testing system... our testing system doesn't tell the full story... and the story it tells, still says we're failing kids that are FORCED to to go school, so ... no... 100% or close to it, should be the standard #caedchat
    • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:19 PM EDT
      Q3: CA test scores lag behind nation, even controlling for demographics, BUT are improving at a greater rate than national average. Does this kind of information have an impact at the school/classroom level? #caedchat
  • rickeducation Sep 30 @ 11:24 PM EDT
    A2: School districts are dynamic systems that reform slowly with multiple ongoing adjustments. They are more likely to evolve when it is a recursive process involving parents, teachers & students, not just policy makers. #caedchat
    In reply to @CohenD
  • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:24 PM EDT
    A3: I think the pressure to raise scores is felt in the classroom, but few really have a nuanced understanding of what the scores are, what they mean #caedchat
  • GenvieveD Sep 30 @ 11:25 PM EDT
    A3 I'd be interested to see some of the common practices that are driving this improvement. At my school site, I can almost single handedly point to the establishment of sacred PLC time. I wonder if this process is taking hold state-wide? #caedchat
  • TheWiest Sep 30 @ 11:25 PM EDT
    The CAASPP test is fundamentally flawed my third grade daughter scored the max in EL, but also scored "nearly met" in listening #caedchat
  • LemarrTreadwell Sep 30 @ 11:25 PM EDT
    Leila, brings up a very tangible point here. Reminds me of a GIF I recently saw on "One size doe not fits all." #caedchat
    • principledlady Sep 30 @ 11:23 PM EDT
      A3: I don't know many classroom teachers who truly value the assessment system. High stakes testing is something that more fight than embrace. I was happy to see CA move away from 2nd grade but I'm not sure that we should use the same kind of assessment tool 3-11 #caEdchat
  • Dale_Chu Sep 30 @ 11:25 PM EDT
    Well said, Doug. #caedchat
    In reply to @DKriedeman
  • JewylClarke Sep 30 @ 11:25 PM EDT
    It could be an opportunity to find best practices and apply them at the school/classroom level - where are rates of improvement the highest and how can we learn from those sites and districts? #caedchat
    In reply to @CohenD
  • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:26 PM EDT
    Agreed! The LCAP has the potential to bring all stakeholders to the table to consider what’s working, what should be measured and how - student and family voice matter! #caedchat
    In reply to @rickeducation
  • Dale_Chu Sep 30 @ 11:26 PM EDT
    Totally agree, Rick. Very well put. #caedchat
    In reply to @rickeducation, @CohenD
  • MelissaSpadin Sep 30 @ 11:26 PM EDT
    And our #assessment system is built on racism, bigotry, and eugenics- we need to change the system itself. #caedchat
    In reply to @MrSmall215
  • LemarrTreadwell Sep 30 @ 11:26 PM EDT
    One test does not fit all learners … #caedchat
  • DKriedeman Sep 30 @ 11:26 PM EDT
    Going down this rabbit hole... What if school was strengths based and taught Ss they are AMAZING and good at things that mattered if they find the right career. Instead of saying fit into our mold! #caedchat
    In reply to @learnswithzeal, @KatieJMcNamara, @PamRabin
  • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:27 PM EDT
    Thanks for jumping in - don’t forget the #caedchat hashtag!
    • constantsane Sep 30 @ 11:23 PM EDT
      A2: Any change in state policy regarding education directly affects teachers and students. The field of education is constantly evolving and educators are great at adapting to and implementing change in their classrooms.
      In reply to @CohenD
  • 8blah8blah8 Sep 30 @ 11:27 PM EDT
    #JennaKleine👸🏼believes👸🏼is a CULT leader + quotes religious texts + believes 😬 👸🏼#JennaKleine is GOD. #ClassDojo @ABC2020 #CAedchat
    In reply to @SFPD, @ABC2020, @ImamZaidShakir, @KLatif, @ABC2020
  • MrSmall215 Sep 30 @ 11:27 PM EDT
    A3: The only change that should occur in the classroom should happen as a result of us attempting to capture what our kids do from an assest based lens... and pushes student learning for each and every child period. #CAedchat
    • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:19 PM EDT
      Q3: CA test scores lag behind nation, even controlling for demographics, BUT are improving at a greater rate than national average. Does this kind of information have an impact at the school/classroom level? #caedchat
  • KatieJMcNamara Sep 30 @ 11:28 PM EDT
    In 20+ years.... I haven't seen anything positive come from state testing.... maybe I'm missing something. #CAedchat
    In reply to @principledlady
  • LemarrTreadwell Sep 30 @ 11:28 PM EDT
    David, but this too will take time to implement. Not a quick fix. #caedchat
    • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:26 PM EDT
      Agreed! The LCAP has the potential to bring all stakeholders to the table to consider what’s working, what should be measured and how - student and family voice matter! #caedchat
      In reply to @rickeducation
  • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:28 PM EDT
    Must never lose sight of this history #caedchat
  • rickeducation Sep 30 @ 11:28 PM EDT
    A3: CA test scores are only one metric. Yes, they have an impact because teachers and principals are evaluated that way. We need to consider other metrics of school success as well. #caedchat
    In reply to @CohenD
  • MrSmall215 Sep 30 @ 11:28 PM EDT
    That or... toss out old systems and create new ones that are more effective... #caedchat
  • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:29 PM EDT
    The extent to which we’re evaluated on test scores varies widely - and is highly inequitable. But at least CA better off than many states in this regard #caedchat
    In reply to @rickeducation
  • CAedchat Sep 30 @ 11:29 PM EDT
    -------> Q4 because, why not? @CohenD is about to click... #caedchat
  • DKriedeman Sep 30 @ 11:29 PM EDT
    TRUTH! The premise is all wrong. If we expect "all Ss to perform the same then they absolutely most all learn the same!" How will we ever grow a strengths based system where students fly! #caedchat
    In reply to @LemarrTreadwell
  • KatieJMcNamara Sep 30 @ 11:30 PM EDT
    No one should be measured on a one day performance. #CAedchat
    In reply to @rickeducation, @CohenD
  • Dale_Chu Sep 30 @ 11:30 PM EDT
    I do think state testing has shined a spotlight on the performance of historically underserved subgroups. We might not know about achievement gaps or opportunity gaps without this information. #CAedchat
    In reply to @KatieJMcNamara, @principledlady
  • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:30 PM EDT
    Q4: Interviewed teachers in GDTF reported that curriculum and prof. learning are increasingly aligned with standards, but more prof. learning needed. What’s your experience? #caedchat
  • rickeducation Sep 30 @ 11:31 PM EDT
    Agree! Use multiple measures for teachers as well as students. #CAedchat
    In reply to @KatieJMcNamara, @CohenD
  • LemarrTreadwell Sep 30 @ 11:31 PM EDT
    Amen, Katie. State testing seems to benefit: Federal Department of Education State DOE County Supt District Supt Assist Supt Principal VP Counselors Parents Teacher Student #caedchat
    • KatieJMcNamara Sep 30 @ 11:28 PM EDT
      In 20+ years.... I haven't seen anything positive come from state testing.... maybe I'm missing something. #CAedchat
      In reply to @principledlady
  • 8blah8blah8 Sep 30 @ 11:32 PM EDT
    A1: Standards in CS are also to provide limits on Ss #hacking. 😬 #CAedchat #ClassDojo
  • constantsane Sep 30 @ 11:32 PM EDT
    #caedchat sorry
    In reply to @CohenD
  • principledlady Sep 30 @ 11:32 PM EDT
    I agree. I personally think that helping educators understand the standards and build belief systems that kids can is a better use of our energy and will result in higher levels of achievement. #caedchat
    In reply to @Dale_Chu, @KatieJMcNamara
  • JewylClarke Sep 30 @ 11:33 PM EDT
    I believe we need to rethink what professional learning looks like, allowing there to be more asynchronous and non-seat time ways for educators to learn as needed and apply their learning. #BetterNotMore #caedchat #TwitterChatsAreProfessionalLearningToo
    In reply to @CohenD
  • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:33 PM EDT
    Testing benefits the publishers and testing companies! Psychometricians! #caedchat
    In reply to @LemarrTreadwell
  • MrSmall215 Sep 30 @ 11:34 PM EDT
    Q4: It's hard for me to justify a need for more training in my experiences in regards to standards, I think I needed to see the people that wrote the standards, teach them as they had in mind when they wrote them... #CAedchat
    • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:30 PM EDT
      Q4: Interviewed teachers in GDTF reported that curriculum and prof. learning are increasingly aligned with standards, but more prof. learning needed. What’s your experience? #caedchat
  • MelissaSpadin Sep 30 @ 11:34 PM EDT
    @JewylClarke and I just had a long chat about how our models of professional learning need to change to meet #teachers needs! #caedchat Site based, embedded, on demand!
    In reply to @CohenD, @JewylClarke
  • LemarrTreadwell Sep 30 @ 11:35 PM EDT
    A4. Agree. However, more Informal Learning as part of PD is needed. For example, the learning here tonight is much more relaxed, less stress and closer to lifelong learning. Ss and Ts need to be "Life-ready and not simply work-ready. #caedchat
    • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:30 PM EDT
      Q4: Interviewed teachers in GDTF reported that curriculum and prof. learning are increasingly aligned with standards, but more prof. learning needed. What’s your experience? #caedchat
  • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:35 PM EDT
    A4: I’d be curious to survey teachers supposedly engaged in PLC work, to see if it really fits definition of PLC: autonomy, long-term focus, actual inquiry/learning, using student work samples as data #caedchat
  • DKriedeman Sep 30 @ 11:36 PM EDT
    A4: My experience with Professional Learning is most Ts find value in collaboration and experiences. Visiting schools together so Ts can be inspired by different is powerful. Each T needs the chance to #Unleash their magic. #LethThemFly #caedchat
  • rickeducation Sep 30 @ 11:36 PM EDT
    A4: Professional development is the most critical component in deploying new technologies and in using new teaching/learning strategies. It has to be sustained, ongoing. Not simply one shot training. #caedchat
    In reply to @CohenD
  • JewylClarke Sep 30 @ 11:37 PM EDT
    We are trying something new with our @SanDiegoCOE #innovateSD Live Virtual Conference on November 1! Register for free at https://t.co/jUMAFwYZvd and you can check out the sessions either live on Nov 1 or whenever it's convenient for you. #caedchat @eenglished @pgittis
    In reply to @MelissaSpadin, @CohenD, @SanDiegoCOE, @eenglished, @pgittis
  • CAedchat Sep 30 @ 11:37 PM EDT
    -------> Q5 is on the way. Watch for tweet from @CohenD - #caedchat
  • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:38 PM EDT
    Q5: GDTF research suggests that funding increases linked to the Local Control Funding Formula have improved student achievement and grad. rates. How do funding increases help your district, school, students? (may relate to Q4, too!) #caedchat
  • learnswithzeal Sep 30 @ 11:38 PM EDT
    A4 It probably depends on the district, I have visited some districts that have made amazing strides in PD and moved away from one size fits all but I also see a lot of "sit and get" with minimal regard for all the other types of prof. learning #caedchat
  • JewylClarke Sep 30 @ 11:38 PM EDT
    Ongoing support, community and accountability is key to implementation, but teachers don't have a lot of days to spend out of the classroom. What are some strategies you've seen employed to do this well? #caedchat
    In reply to @rickeducation, @CohenD
  • DKriedeman Sep 30 @ 11:38 PM EDT
    I agree David. How many schools across our system create a system of Teacher accountability for PLC time? #caedchat
    In reply to @CohenD
  • LemarrTreadwell Sep 30 @ 11:39 PM EDT
    Love this Jewyl. I left a webinar to join this chat. Then back to the webinar to close the evening. A diverse PLN without leaving my front patio..... #caedchat
  • rickeducation Sep 30 @ 11:39 PM EDT
    A4: So much of professional development comes down to allowing it to be recursive. Rarely does a new program survive implementation in classroom without need for serious revision. #caedchat
  • principledlady Sep 30 @ 11:40 PM EDT
    A4: This one is going to get me in trouble. I have recently been exposed to an attitude of "I am already an expert" mentality. "I know what I'm doing" I have always embraced new learning and incorporated reflection so this is disturbing to me. PD is a gift. #caedchat
  • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:40 PM EDT
    It’s a two-way street - teachers should probably do more to hold leadership accountable when they say “PLC” but really it’s just common prep time or compliance w/ other top-down direction #caedchat
    In reply to @DKriedeman
  • KatieJMcNamara Sep 30 @ 11:40 PM EDT
    Yes! Looking forward to my son being out of high school, so he can focus on his strengths. #CAedchat
    In reply to @DKriedeman, @learnswithzeal, @PamRabin
  • LemarrTreadwell Sep 30 @ 11:42 PM EDT
    A5. I've found that a lot of the LCF is still under the control of the districts. It is going to take some time for the data to reach down to the SSC. #caedchat
    • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:38 PM EDT
      Q5: GDTF research suggests that funding increases linked to the Local Control Funding Formula have improved student achievement and grad. rates. How do funding increases help your district, school, students? (may relate to Q4, too!) #caedchat
  • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:42 PM EDT
    Leila - where do you think it comes from? I think most teachers like to learn, and wonder if that reaction has some underlying message. Sort of like when Ss reject lessons, curriculum #caedchat
    In reply to @principledlady
  • rickeducation Sep 30 @ 11:43 PM EDT
    I have seen 3-day summer intensives used as kick-offs. At that point Ts have more time to absorb, collaborate & plan. Follow it up with paid Saturday morning half-day training throughout year, Maybe every 6 weeks. #caedchat
    In reply to @JewylClarke, @CohenD
  • CAedchat Sep 30 @ 11:43 PM EDT
    A little help… “SSC” = school site council? #caedchat
    In reply to @LemarrTreadwell
  • 8blah8blah8 Sep 30 @ 11:43 PM EDT
    #CAedchat #ClassDojo employs people without the proper edu or an actual work experience — 😬 Work exp can be forced to be EXPUNGED.
    In reply to @SFPD, @ABC2020, @ImamZaidShakir, @KLatif
  • MrSmall215 Sep 30 @ 11:44 PM EDT
    Q5: The inequities in some of our poorer communities in repugnant... The fact that they are stark differences in what our schools look like, the resources (human and other) to support students, and the services we provide is directly connected to funding #CAedchat
    • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:38 PM EDT
      Q5: GDTF research suggests that funding increases linked to the Local Control Funding Formula have improved student achievement and grad. rates. How do funding increases help your district, school, students? (may relate to Q4, too!) #caedchat
  • TheWiest Sep 30 @ 11:44 PM EDT
    The increase in LCFF has been helpful since our district receives (relatively) little title 1 money, but it's just a token. #caedchat
  • LemarrTreadwell Sep 30 @ 11:45 PM EDT
    I agree with you David. Educators are still on a "carrots and sticks" PD. Educators want more autonomy, mastery and purpose in their PD> #caedchat
    • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:42 PM EDT
      Leila - where do you think it comes from? I think most teachers like to learn, and wonder if that reaction has some underlying message. Sort of like when Ss reject lessons, curriculum #caedchat
      In reply to @principledlady
  • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:45 PM EDT
    Shortage of school counselors in CA is absolutely shameful - worst staffing ratios in the nation last time I looked #caedchat
    • JewylClarke Sep 30 @ 11:43 PM EDT
      TOSAs, Technology, Professional Learning, Supplies Budgets, Counselors, Class Size. Unfortunately it seems like there are more cuts than gains right now.
      In reply to @CohenD
  • JewylClarke Sep 30 @ 11:45 PM EDT
    This is great - as long as the administration is there to learn beside the teachers so they can be a partner in implementation! Although I could see more teachers sticking around in an afternoon or on a paid prep period than coming in on a Saturday. #caedchat
    In reply to @rickeducation, @CohenD
  • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:46 PM EDT
    Maybe some “reform fatigue” ? Which isn’t to say we give up, but maybe need varied approaches, paces, timelines, etc. #caedchat
    In reply to @LemarrTreadwell
  • CAedchat Sep 30 @ 11:47 PM EDT
    -------> Q6 is all about you, most likely. Wait til you see…. @CohenD - #caedchat
  • DKriedeman Sep 30 @ 11:47 PM EDT
    A5: I have not seen increases in funding in the last 3 years or more. I have seen districts begin to declare budget cuts year after year and it appears to decrease S achievement. Ts ae doing amazing work where funds decrease and Ss increase. 1/2 #caedchat
  • DKriedeman Sep 30 @ 11:47 PM EDT
    As districts attempt to re-design the central office in a post categorical based model. Districts are seeing increased costs for Power, Land, Retirement, Capital investments, Insurance at rates higher than the LCFF is keeping pace. #caedchat
  • LemarrTreadwell Sep 30 @ 11:47 PM EDT
    A great recommendation, David. #caedchat
    • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:46 PM EDT
      Maybe some “reform fatigue” ? Which isn’t to say we give up, but maybe need varied approaches, paces, timelines, etc. #caedchat
      In reply to @LemarrTreadwell
  • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:47 PM EDT
    Q6: CA continues to struggle to hire and retain highly qualified teachers; GDTF finds the problem is worse in high- needs schools. What works, or would work, to mitigate these problems? #caedchat
  • JewylClarke Sep 30 @ 11:47 PM EDT
    Since my work centers around career focused programs, I'm super aware of this! Counselors get so frustrated that they barely have time to schedule Ss, let alone help them find the right path to the future. #AllStudentsAreCareerBound #caedchat
    In reply to @CohenD
  • rickeducation Sep 30 @ 11:49 PM EDT
    My experience with Saturday morning training was that teachers liked not having to spend all day absorbing, planning, etc. Less tiring. We would also cater training. Then Ts had afternoons to do their own thing. #caedchat
    In reply to @JewylClarke, @CohenD
  • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:49 PM EDT
    I’m guessing you’re in a basic aid district? No big LCFF infusions, plus increased pension contributions and health care costs - really hard to put more money into resources #caedchat
    In reply to @DKriedeman
  • JewylClarke Sep 30 @ 11:49 PM EDT
    Not just worse in high-needs schools, but also in the disciplines all students need to develop college and career ready skills. We need many more in STEM and CTE, and now Computer Science especially. #caedchat
    In reply to @CohenD
  • assignmenthelp Sep 30 @ 11:50 PM EDT
    10 Useful Study Apps for College Students https://t.co/bhAXtLdjB1 #caedchat #asiaEd
  • PamRabin Sep 30 @ 11:50 PM EDT
    #caedchat Right! Districts may not cut classroom teachers (which is great) but when they are directed at all supports for teachers, they definitely effect teachers and students.
    In reply to @JewylClarke, @CohenD
  • principledlady Sep 30 @ 11:51 PM EDT
    A6 Adequately funding special education. Providing pre-school for all, Provide Lunch for All,increase the spending on support services for that Ts can focus on instruction!Our state expects our school to take care of everything and do so squeezing blood out of a turnip #caedchat
  • TheWiest Sep 30 @ 11:51 PM EDT
    I think wheelbarrows of cash would work, any other solution requires thoughtful consideration - too much work. #caedchat
  • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:51 PM EDT
    Yes - I’ve known Ts who went to private industry in STEM. Just couldn’t stay in teaching after a look at the economics of salaries, rent, college savings for their kids #caedchat
    In reply to @JewylClarke
  • MrSmall215 Sep 30 @ 11:51 PM EDT
    A6: in many places Educators can't afford to live and work in the places they serve... add inadequate services and resources to that and you have a full fledge problem. #caedchat 1/2
    • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:47 PM EDT
      Q6: CA continues to struggle to hire and retain highly qualified teachers; GDTF finds the problem is worse in high- needs schools. What works, or would work, to mitigate these problems? #caedchat
  • LemarrTreadwell Sep 30 @ 11:51 PM EDT
    A6. What do students want? They want more personalization not automation! They want more soft-skills. #caedchat
    • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:47 PM EDT
      Q6: CA continues to struggle to hire and retain highly qualified teachers; GDTF finds the problem is worse in high- needs schools. What works, or would work, to mitigate these problems? #caedchat
  • 8blah8blah8 Sep 30 @ 11:52 PM EDT
    A6: CA has been struggling to retain Qualified Ts + since CEOs from ClassDojo do NOT keep up to date 😬 w/research have hired #CAedchat
    In reply to @SFPD, @ABC2020, @ImamZaidShakir, @KLatif
  • LemarrTreadwell Sep 30 @ 11:53 PM EDT
  • CAedchat Sep 30 @ 11:53 PM EDT
    ALERT: moderator informs us Q7 will be skipped due to time considerations! -------> Q8 - last but not least. Moderator @CohenD has it at the ready... #caedchat
  • principledlady Sep 30 @ 11:53 PM EDT
    A6 Adequately funding special education. Providing pre-school for all, Provide Lunch for All,increase the spending on support services so Ts can focus on instruction!Our state expects our school to take care of everything and do so squeezing blood out of a turnip #caedchat
  • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:54 PM EDT
    Q8: Principals are essential to school improvement, but GDTF finds their training is inconsistent. What’s your perspective on essential learning for school leaders? #caedchat
  • JewylClarke Sep 30 @ 11:55 PM EDT
    No kidding-when I finished my M.S. in Pharmaceutical Chemistry friends and family asked if I'd be looking for a better job. No-I was planning to be a better teacher! It was amazing to teach Med Chem in High School & write curriculum for others! #caedchat https://t.co/miBA8xohO8
    In reply to @CohenD
  • rickeducation Sep 30 @ 11:55 PM EDT
    A6: Working in high need schools can be tough, but also rewarding! If Ts feel valued, if Admin supports them, if they are part of a learning team, & if there is community outreach and involvement - then you are more likely to keep qualified teachers. #caedchat
    In reply to @CohenD
  • DCulberhouse Sep 30 @ 11:56 PM EDT
    The majority of educational leadership support is inconsistent…and yet, leadership remains a key element in any type of change or transformational initiative. And it is not only in learning, but facilitation skills, as well. #caedchat
    In reply to @CohenD
  • LemarrTreadwell Sep 30 @ 11:58 PM EDT
    Have a great week #caedchat PLN. Thank you for moderating tonight's chat, David @CohenD. You ...
  • LemarrTreadwell Sep 30 @ 11:58 PM EDT
    A6. I'll refer to out Finnish friends on this one. Teachers are treated with the respect of doctors and government leaders "Trust, respect and honor." It's not the same where I teach. #caedchat
    • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:47 PM EDT
      Q6: CA continues to struggle to hire and retain highly qualified teachers; GDTF finds the problem is worse in high- needs schools. What works, or would work, to mitigate these problems? #caedchat
  • MrSmall215 Sep 30 @ 11:58 PM EDT
    A8: if we as admin are taught to continue the status quo... we will... but if we're taught how to break down problematic systems, and input new ones, then change can happen... but current systems aren't built for the change we need... it must be intentional #caedchat
    • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:54 PM EDT
      Q8: Principals are essential to school improvement, but GDTF finds their training is inconsistent. What’s your perspective on essential learning for school leaders? #caedchat
  • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:58 PM EDT
    A8: push back on this if I’m wrong, but I think mentorship may be most essential admin. “training” - so much you have to learn by doing, and so much context-dependent #caedchat
  • principledlady Sep 30 @ 11:58 PM EDT
    A8: Our district has spent the last three years engaged in working to build our principals' capacity to understand the standards, curriculum and how to engage in inquiry/reflective conversations with Ts. It has been a very slow process. They too feel overwhelmed too! #caedchat
  • JewylClarke Sep 30 @ 11:58 PM EDT
    I find that many school leaders are reluctant to look like they are not the experts - we need a stronger culture of learning, and more allowance for leaders to honestly seek what they need without judgement. #caedchat
    In reply to @CohenD
  • CAedchat Sep 30 @ 11:59 PM EDT
    Thank you to everyone who joined the chat tonight and shared your thoughts. You are what makes #caedchat great! See you next Sunday!
  • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:59 PM EDT
    “Intentional” - great word, concept for this work #caedchat
    • MrSmall215 Sep 30 @ 11:58 PM EDT
      A8: if we as admin are taught to continue the status quo... we will... but if we're taught how to break down problematic systems, and input new ones, then change can happen... but current systems aren't built for the change we need... it must be intentional #caedchat
      • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:54 PM EDT
        Q8: Principals are essential to school improvement, but GDTF finds their training is inconsistent. What’s your perspective on essential learning for school leaders? #caedchat
  • LemarrTreadwell Sep 30 @ 11:59 PM EDT
    A8. Being married to a Middle School principal I have too say they are treated just like teachers … low pay, way too much work on them. There's just not enough time. #caedchat
    • CohenD - Moderator Sep 30 @ 11:54 PM EDT
      Q8: Principals are essential to school improvement, but GDTF finds their training is inconsistent. What’s your perspective on essential learning for school leaders? #caedchat
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