#LPMHQ Archive

#LPMHQ is a positive, progressive educational space for current and future legal project managers, process improvement specialists and pricing professionals. We focus on providing a learning environment to share ideas and best practices. There is no membership required. #LPMHQ is open to both practicing lawyers and business of law professionals including legal operations professionals from law firms, in-house legal teams, alternative legal service providers and consultants who have an interest in learning or sharing their relevant experiences. We strive to be open minded and discuss ideas with people sharing different views. You get out of these chats what you put in. So be candid. Come ready to share.

Wednesday November 14, 2018
12:00 PM EST

  • thisisakiliao - Moderator Nov 14 @ 12:00 PM EST
    WELCOME TO #lpmhq Topic: Making the Business Case for LPM Please introduce yourself, where you are from & what you do in legal. The chat starts... RIGHT NOW!
  • kim_craig Nov 14 @ 12:00 PM EST
    Q1: 1st understand what PM is & is not. It is NOT a panacea for everything. Begin by defining, sizing & understanding what org problem u r trying to solve in re to legal service delivery. Then & only then consider options to address those problems. Is it LPM? #LPMHQ #LPM #Legal
  • thisisakiliao - Moderator Nov 14 @ 12:01 PM EST
    TIPS: Remember to label your answer A1 to respond to question one, A2 to respond to question two, and so forth. #LPMHQ
  • thisisakiliao - Moderator Nov 14 @ 12:01 PM EST
    Welcome Kim! Excellent point #LPMHQ
    • kim_craig Nov 14 @ 12:00 PM EST
      Q1: 1st understand what PM is & is not. It is NOT a panacea for everything. Begin by defining, sizing & understanding what org problem u r trying to solve in re to legal service delivery. Then & only then consider options to address those problems. Is it LPM? #LPMHQ #LPM #Legal
  • sheripalomaki Nov 14 @ 12:02 PM EST
    This is fundamentally the most frustrating part in talking #LPM. What's the difference between #LPM, practice management and process improvement. It's SHOCKING to me how many people don't understand the differences. #LPMHQ
    In reply to @kim_craig
  • kim_craig Nov 14 @ 12:02 PM EST
    A1: #LPMHQ
    • kim_craig Nov 14 @ 12:00 PM EST
      Q1: 1st understand what PM is & is not. It is NOT a panacea for everything. Begin by defining, sizing & understanding what org problem u r trying to solve in re to legal service delivery. Then & only then consider options to address those problems. Is it LPM? #LPMHQ #LPM #Legal
  • LaurenAblan Nov 14 @ 12:02 PM EST
    A1: Start with the problem, rather than the solution. Speak in terms that resonate with stakeholders, instead of LPM jargon. #lpmhq
  • Rick_A_K Nov 14 @ 12:02 PM EST
    Agree with Kim - the key is to come to a common understanding of what you want LPM to do for your legal department. Once you have a that agreed, then you can move to the next step of actually implementing! #LPMHQ
  • thisisakiliao - Moderator Nov 14 @ 12:03 PM EST
    Reminder to use #LPMHQ at the end of your tweet when answering questions.
  • thisisakiliao - Moderator Nov 14 @ 12:03 PM EST
    Q1: Getting Started. How would you convince decision makers in a law firm or corporate legal department to adopt LPM? How would you describe the value proposition of LPM to them? #LPMHQ
  • thisisakiliao - Moderator Nov 14 @ 12:03 PM EST
    WELCOME TO #lpmhq ! Please introduce yourself, where you are from & what you do in legal. The chat starts... WE ARE UNDERWAY! #LPMHQ Today's topic is Making the Business Case for LPM
  • thisisakiliao - Moderator Nov 14 @ 12:03 PM EST
    Welcome Rick! Excellent point #LPMHQ
    • Rick_A_K Nov 14 @ 12:02 PM EST
      Agree with Kim - the key is to come to a common understanding of what you want LPM to do for your legal department. Once you have a that agreed, then you can move to the next step of actually implementing! #LPMHQ
  • Jennife71731825 Nov 14 @ 12:03 PM EST
    A1- Personally, i am jaded by the "we must achieve quick wins" philos. As a service providers, we know that client must engage seamlessly wtheir clients to maintain comp advantage. Firms shld align our services with that core value regardless of the type of matter- w/lpm #lpmhq
  • thisisakiliao - Moderator Nov 14 @ 12:04 PM EST
    Welcome Jennifer! #LPMHQ
    • Jennife71731825 Nov 14 @ 12:03 PM EST
      A1- Personally, i am jaded by the "we must achieve quick wins" philos. As a service providers, we know that client must engage seamlessly wtheir clients to maintain comp advantage. Firms shld align our services with that core value regardless of the type of matter- w/lpm #lpmhq
  • kim_craig Nov 14 @ 12:04 PM EST
    A1: "Clients are demanding LPM" is not enuf reason to justify investing $$$ to launch an LPM program. Bldg a biz case takes work. Uncover what clients really want & what your org needs. Don't misconstrue "efficiency" as a demand for LPM. Do your homework. #LPMHQ #LPM #LPI #Legal
  • Jennife71731825 Nov 14 @ 12:04 PM EST
    I am Jen Fowler- LPM at WilmerHale. Thanks for the welcome! #lpmhq
  • Rick_A_K Nov 14 @ 12:04 PM EST
    A1- I always like to think that Process improvement is defining what and how you are going to do it and PM ensures that you are actually doing what the client wants you to do (at the cost you told them) #LPMHQ
  • Jennife71731825 Nov 14 @ 12:05 PM EST
    Right- and to fig out what your clients want, you need to CONNECT w them informally. #lpmhq
    In reply to @kim_craig
  • LeoChing6 Nov 14 @ 12:06 PM EST
    A1 I heard some attys confuse LPM with process improvement. when I ask them y they want to try LPM some might answer to: "automate my work" #LPMHQ
  • thisisakiliao - Moderator Nov 14 @ 12:06 PM EST
    Welcome Leo! #LPMHQ
    • LeoChing6 Nov 14 @ 12:06 PM EST
      A1 I heard some attys confuse LPM with process improvement. when I ask them y they want to try LPM some might answer to: "automate my work" #LPMHQ
  • sheripalomaki Nov 14 @ 12:07 PM EST
    Smartsheet is my favorite #LPM tool. I've found so many uses for it, in addition to project plans, tracking who starts on our team and my favorite-- our Ops Kanban (Priorities) Board. Is smartsheet the go-to for #LPM in #Legal? or is there an emerging technology #LPMHQ
  • Jennife71731825 Nov 14 @ 12:07 PM EST
    A1 Heard today- "Trying to talk to law firm partners about innovation is like trying to talk to a dinosaur about meteors." It was simultaneously hilarious and disheartening. #LPMHQ
  • MJAscano Nov 14 @ 12:07 PM EST
    A1 I agree that the problems first must look at what problem we are trying to solve. Here is a good article about tech somewhat missing the mark in healthcare. https://t.co/lzcLkSnwHR #lpmhq
  • thisisakiliao - Moderator Nov 14 @ 12:08 PM EST
    WELCOME TO #lpmhq ! WE ARE UNDERWAY! If you're just joining us, please introduce yourself, where you are from & what you do in legal. #LPMHQ Today's topic is Making the Business Case for LPM
  • thisisakiliao - Moderator Nov 14 @ 12:08 PM EST
    Once again. Q1: Getting Started. How would you convince decision makers in a law firm or corporate legal department to adopt LPM? How would you describe the value proposition of LPM to them? #LPMHQ
  • kim_craig Nov 14 @ 12:08 PM EST
    Agreed. There are diff toolsets for LPM and LPI. Don't confuse the two. I believe project management and process improvement are very much needed in legal but know what does what and what you're trying to solve for. #LPMHQ
    In reply to @Rick_A_K
  • thisisakiliao - Moderator Nov 14 @ 12:08 PM EST
    Welcome Sheri! #LPMHQ
    • sheripalomaki Nov 14 @ 12:07 PM EST
      Smartsheet is my favorite #LPM tool. I've found so many uses for it, in addition to project plans, tracking who starts on our team and my favorite-- our Ops Kanban (Priorities) Board. Is smartsheet the go-to for #LPM in #Legal? or is there an emerging technology #LPMHQ
  • Jennife71731825 Nov 14 @ 12:08 PM EST
    I like SS and need to become more adept w/ it. I don't have time for SS Academy though- a lot of it is learning on the fly. #LPMHQ
    In reply to @sheripalomaki
  • thisisakiliao - Moderator Nov 14 @ 12:09 PM EST
    LPI - legal process improvement? #LPMHQ
    • kim_craig Nov 14 @ 12:08 PM EST
      Agreed. There are diff toolsets for LPM and LPI. Don't confuse the two. I believe project management and process improvement are very much needed in legal but know what does what and what you're trying to solve for. #LPMHQ
      In reply to @Rick_A_K
  • thisisakiliao - Moderator Nov 14 @ 12:10 PM EST
    TIPS: Remember to label your answer A1 to respond to question one, A2 to respond to question two, and so forth. #LPMHQ
  • kim_craig Nov 14 @ 12:10 PM EST
    Well first off kudos for applying true project management - planning and managing the work. The triple constraint of scope, schedule, budget should help guide the selection of proper LPM tools and an understanding of your culture and maturity. #lpmhq
    In reply to @sheripalomaki
  • gnawledge Nov 14 @ 12:10 PM EST
    LPM is whatever it needs to be to make the client happy - IMHO. #LPMHQ
  • thisisakiliao - Moderator Nov 14 @ 12:10 PM EST
    Welcome Toby! #LPMHQ
    • gnawledge Nov 14 @ 12:10 PM EST
      LPM is whatever it needs to be to make the client happy - IMHO. #LPMHQ
  • pdaubaras Nov 14 @ 12:10 PM EST
    A1: It's tough to implement a firm-wide LPM initiative, finding those individuals that feel the need to make a change in how they work and helping them succeed (even if it is a small win) is slowly bringing more LPs into the conversation. #LPMHQ
  • thisisakiliao - Moderator Nov 14 @ 12:11 PM EST
    Reminder to use #LPMHQ at the end of your tweet when answering questions. #LPMHQ
  • LaurenAblan Nov 14 @ 12:11 PM EST
    Do you incorporate financials into SS? Or is that a separate piece of LPM at your firm? #LPMHQ
    In reply to @sheripalomaki
  • paulceaston Nov 14 @ 12:12 PM EST
    A1 - #LPM is provides tools and a structure for continually improving a firms effectiveness. #lpmhq
  • MJAscano Nov 14 @ 12:12 PM EST
    Massive write downs and loss leaders for the firm? :) #sarcasm #LPMHQ
    In reply to @gnawledge
  • andrew_terrett Nov 14 @ 12:13 PM EST
    #LPMHQ greetings to all from Toronto. Making the business case starts with a burning platform (Kotter). Is there one for this client, this matter?
    In reply to @thisisakiliao
  • LeoChing6 Nov 14 @ 12:13 PM EST
    A1: I agree w Peter. I build a coalition of the willing then use their sucesses to advertise to the rest of the firm. #LPMHQ
  • kim_craig Nov 14 @ 12:13 PM EST
    That's a slippery slope. LPM can't solve everything. Some roles are glorified admins & some r filling in the gaps that should be performed by other depts (IT, Marketing, Practice Management). Shouldn't the biz of law be elevated where nec 2 meet client and partner needs? #LPMHQ
    In reply to @gnawledge
  • Jennife71731825 Nov 14 @ 12:14 PM EST
    A1: Word of mouth is key. Once you've "won over" your influencer partners, thy will hopefully share w naysayers or the uninitiated. Have your pitch ready. Here's what we do and how we can help. Do you homework. Dig into the naysayer's practice to identify pot pain points. #LPMHQ
  • thisisakiliao - Moderator Nov 14 @ 12:14 PM EST
    Is Kotter a reference to 8 step change management? #LPMHQ
    • andrew_terrett Nov 14 @ 12:13 PM EST
      #LPMHQ greetings to all from Toronto. Making the business case starts with a burning platform (Kotter). Is there one for this client, this matter?
      In reply to @thisisakiliao
  • thisisakiliao - Moderator Nov 14 @ 12:15 PM EST
    Q2: Continued Investment. How would you ensure your organization continues to invest in their LPM program? How do you demonstrate evidence based value of your organization's LPM program? #LPMHQ
  • Rick_A_K Nov 14 @ 12:15 PM EST
    Agreed - it always starts with a group of true believers and then can grow from there. It is best to publicize those successes you get to bring others into the mix. #LPMHQ
    In reply to @pdaubaras
  • Jennife71731825 Nov 14 @ 12:15 PM EST
    Yes, but not every firm has a stable of non-legal professionals to draw from. LPMs are often jacks of all trades during the implementation phase. #LPMHQ
    In reply to @kim_craig, @gnawledge
  • paulceaston Nov 14 @ 12:15 PM EST
    Start with a practice group or set up a pilot with a group of innovative team members. Let their results sell to rest of org. #lpmhq
    In reply to @pdaubaras
  • LaurenAblan Nov 14 @ 12:16 PM EST
    A1: Do you focus on certain individuals or identify practice areas as well? #lpmhq
    In reply to @pdaubaras
  • thisisakiliao - Moderator Nov 14 @ 12:17 PM EST
    Perfect Jennifer. The Definition of LPM is the topic of our next #LPMHQ on November 28, 2018, 12 noon, EST.
    • Jennife71731825 Nov 14 @ 12:15 PM EST
      Yes, but not every firm has a stable of non-legal professionals to draw from. LPMs are often jacks of all trades during the implementation phase. #LPMHQ
      In reply to @kim_craig, @gnawledge
  • kim_craig Nov 14 @ 12:17 PM EST
    A1: Hi Andrew! That's a great point and the change mngt challenges 4 significant w/out an evidence-based need 4 change. Hard 2 justify change when firms are having some of their most profitable years. We may feel the earth moving but 4 many practicing lawyers, they don't. #LPMHQ
    In reply to @andrew_terrett, @thisisakiliao
  • MJAscano Nov 14 @ 12:19 PM EST
    A2 I usually start by simply using early adopters feedback in that it's made it easier to practice as evidence. Later on, I think you can look at increased realization and client satisfaction. #lpmhq
  • paulceaston Nov 14 @ 12:19 PM EST
    Q2 - ultimately you have to show improvements to profitability, happy clients, repeat clients, new clients attributable to #lpm need to plan for these outcomes and how to demonstrate from the start of your initiative #lpmhq
  • kim_craig Nov 14 @ 12:19 PM EST
    Very true Jennifer and it's hard to justify building a stable without proof. Does that take us back trying to mature LPM as an org capability instead of roles? Or a combination of both? #LPMHQ
    In reply to @Jennife71731825, @gnawledge
  • thisisakiliao - Moderator Nov 14 @ 12:20 PM EST
    Once again. Q2: Continued Investment. How would you ensure your organization continues to invest in their LPM program? How do you demonstrate evidence based value of your organization's LPM program? #LPMHQ
  • Jennife71731825 Nov 14 @ 12:20 PM EST
    A2: ROIROIROI. So how do you quantify ROI? Has anyone had success with looking forward only? #LPMHQ
  • LaurenAblan Nov 14 @ 12:20 PM EST
    A2: It's so important to define and agree upon WHAT success is, and some way to measure it, in order to prove value and the need for continued investment #lpmhq
  • andrew_terrett Nov 14 @ 12:21 PM EST
    #LPMHQ one of my favourite quotes “people don’t change when they see the light, they change when they feel the heat”...
  • Jennife71731825 Nov 14 @ 12:21 PM EST
    An org capability embedded with practicing lawyers, or a service offering that is part of the org's capabilities? #LPMHQ
    In reply to @kim_craig, @gnawledge
  • Rick_A_K Nov 14 @ 12:21 PM EST
    #LPMHQ A1 - The key is to get positive influencers involved early who show others how it works. Every practice area has different nuances so you have to pay attention and broadcast successes in each. Whether you do all practice areas or a small set, depends on your rollout goal
    In reply to @LaurenAblan, @pdaubaras
  • pdaubaras Nov 14 @ 12:22 PM EST
    Honestly it's both Lauren. We did start with whoever was willing, but as it has grown and more partners talk about improving the way they work, we now have a couple of practice areas that are starting to push at the group level to do more. #lpmhq
    In reply to @LaurenAblan
  • thisisakiliao - Moderator Nov 14 @ 12:23 PM EST
    That's an awesome quote, Andrew. I will have to borrow it! #LPMHQ
    • andrew_terrett Nov 14 @ 12:21 PM EST
      #LPMHQ one of my favourite quotes “people don’t change when they see the light, they change when they feel the heat”...
  • MJAscano Nov 14 @ 12:23 PM EST
    A2 I think showing an improved process of reducing busy work for partners by using LPM (who can then bill more) is also viable early proof before you have large data sets to point to. #LPMHQ
    In reply to @paulceaston
  • Rick_A_K Nov 14 @ 12:24 PM EST
    A2 - Metrics are key. You can't manage what you can't measure so you need to determine what success looks like and measure those things #LPMHQ
  • paulceaston Nov 14 @ 12:24 PM EST
    Q2 - PMI has put a lot of research into demonstrating PM ROI. Start there. Determine legal specific variables. https://t.co/UsW5M9zYmv. #lpmhq
    In reply to @LaurenAblan
  • Jennife71731825 Nov 14 @ 12:24 PM EST
    Is it a one-to-one comparison? one hour not written off by the partner, spent by the LPM = one hour partner is able to bill elsewhere? #LPMHQ
    In reply to @MJAscano, @paulceaston
  • kim_craig Nov 14 @ 12:27 PM EST
    A2 - totally agree. We all know for firms it's $$$. So how it helps you attract and grow the right clients and talent could be one measurement but you have to clearly connect it to your LPM program if that's what you're going to build your LPM growth strategy on. #LPMHQ
    In reply to @Rick_A_K
  • thisisakiliao - Moderator Nov 14 @ 12:27 PM EST
    Indeed. #LPMHQ
    • Rick_A_K Nov 14 @ 12:24 PM EST
      A2 - Metrics are key. You can't manage what you can't measure so you need to determine what success looks like and measure those things #LPMHQ
  • thisisakiliao - Moderator Nov 14 @ 12:28 PM EST
    Thank you for coming ready to share and being open. Next chat is November 28, 2018, 12pm, EST. Topic: Definition of Legal Project Management #LPMHQ
  • Rick_A_K Nov 14 @ 12:28 PM EST
    In a law firm - reduction in writeoffs is a good metric, but somewhat hard to measure. Client satisfaction is always a good metric. Best to have a base measurement so you can show how LPM improved it #LPMHQ
  • MJAscano Nov 14 @ 12:28 PM EST
    I would say no. Using LPM as a way to improve the process of how matters are managed doesn't mean work was just passed to a lower cost worker. In my world as we implement LPM and process changes non-billable work many times evaporates more than shifts. #LPMHQ
    In reply to @Jennife71731825, @paulceaston
  • thisisakiliao - Moderator Nov 14 @ 12:29 PM EST
    Join the Conversation. November 28, 2018, 12pm, EST. Topic: Definition of LPM #LPMHQ https://t.co/KI5gH9yQo3
  • thisisakiliao - Moderator Nov 14 @ 12:30 PM EST
    Have a good rest of your day! This has been #LPMHQ Chats archived here. https://t.co/Fhgv12TlsP