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ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:00 PM EDT

The choice of #ASEChat topic was decided by poll

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:00 PM EDT

And the chosen topic is 'What messages would you give the government on the effect of testing at KS2?' #asechat

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:02 PM EDT

Until a couple of years ago, KS2 SATs comprised English mathematics and science. Now science is no longer assessed by SAT #asechat

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:03 PM EDT

Has the move away from KS2 science SATs had an impact on pupils and learning? #asechat

HGourlayUEA Oct 17 @ 3:03 PM EDT

@ViciaScience Primary sci was major win of National Curric. Primary testing regime has narrowed teaching in some schs. #ASEChat

stevethedoc1 Oct 17 @ 3:03 PM EDT

@ViciaScience #asechat more than a couple of years

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:04 PM EDT

@stevethedoc1 How many years has it been since the last KS2 science SAT #asechat

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:05 PM EDT

@HGourlayUEA Has teaching of science been affected in some years more than others? #asechat

A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 17 @ 3:05 PM EDT

Perhaps pertinent to tonight's discussion at #asechat on effects of KS2 testing to teaching (of science). https://t.co/B26mSOo5oA

stevethedoc1 Oct 17 @ 3:05 PM EDT

@ViciaScience #asechat plucking a figure 5,6 or even 7?

rachael_spence Oct 17 @ 3:05 PM EDT

@ViciaScience as a trainee I’ve not seen much actual science in school - packaged as such but actually literacy w. fun activity :/ #asechat

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:06 PM EDT

@rachael_spence and does the 'fun activity lead to understanding scientific ideas? #asechat

stevethedoc1 Oct 17 @ 3:07 PM EDT

@rachael_spence @ViciaScience #asechat sadly probably the most usual situation if not no actual even planned

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:08 PM EDT

@stevethedoc1 A long time. Has the change influenced teacher assessment of science? #asechat

rachael_spence Oct 17 @ 3:09 PM EDT

@ViciaScience not really - exploded a ‘volcano’ but no discussion re: reactions or why. Just a recount. Puzzled me a bit tbh #asechat

timstarlab Oct 17 @ 3:09 PM EDT

#ASEChat @theASE what would you vote for? https://t.co/In39LNV2o0

timstarlab Oct 17 @ 11:01 AM EDT

What NEW freebie would you like to see Timstar give away at future events and exhibitions?

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:09 PM EDT

@rachael_spence This seems like a missed opportunity. Reflects on teacher confidence at teaching science? #asechat

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A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 17 @ 3:10 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @stevethedoc1 how common is it for schools to do a y7 baseline in science due to less information from KS2 on sci att #asechat

rachael_spence Oct 17 @ 3:11 PM EDT

@ViciaScience a target for next practice methinks - confidence to suggest extending the lesson diplomatically of course! #asechat

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:11 PM EDT

@rachael_spence Perhaps there are gains for literacy too, in learning to express complex ideas from science? #asechat

A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 17 @ 3:12 PM EDT

Sorry #asechat I need to take a timeout. Duty calls.

stevethedoc1 Oct 17 @ 3:12 PM EDT

@A_Weatherall @ViciaScience #asechat statutory same amount of information but issues with how it is obtained decided

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:12 PM EDT

@A_Weatherall @stevethedoc1 Do you do baseline tests in Y7 science? We used to do NFER tests long ago but not science specifically #asechat

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:14 PM EDT

@stevethedoc1 @A_Weatherall hear stories that assessment of science in Y6 can be based on a restricted dose of science input in Y6 #asechat

stevethedoc1 Oct 17 @ 3:14 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @A_Weatherall #asechat do not bring back or start baseline science, just visit pupils in y5 or 6 and notice quality or not

ljrn42 Oct 17 @ 3:15 PM EDT

@A_Weatherall @ViciaScience @stevethedoc1 we do - old how sci works type of qs after about a month #asechat

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:15 PM EDT

@stevethedoc1 @A_Weatherall Do schools make use of sampling tests - data or questions? #asechat

rachael_spence Oct 17 @ 3:16 PM EDT

@ViciaScience yes, but the science should also be understood - literacy in disguise is an injustice for science #asechat

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:16 PM EDT

@ljrn42 @A_Weatherall @stevethedoc1 Are these questions generated in house, or taken from previous SATs papers? #asechat

stevethedoc1 Oct 17 @ 3:16 PM EDT

@ViciaScience #asechat we get no data and as yet not sight of questions

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:17 PM EDT

I think we would all agree with that notion, but what can be done to strengthen science in primary? #ASEChat https://t.co/sl2mtV0F7e

rachael_spence Oct 17 @ 3:16 PM EDT

@ViciaScience yes, but the science should also be understood - literacy in disguise is an injustice for science #asechat

stevethedoc1 Oct 17 @ 3:17 PM EDT

@ViciaScience #asechat would love old style implications for teaching and learning report as a result of sampling

ljrn42 Oct 17 @ 3:18 PM EDT

Did ya like my invisible #asechat ? https://t.co/rsFYRpA2s4

ljrn42 Oct 17 @ 3:18 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @A_Weatherall @stevethedoc1 all from past SATS q - and have been the same paper for years

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:19 PM EDT

@HGourlayUEA Less good in quality or volume? Can it be quantified? #asechat

stevethedoc1 Oct 17 @ 3:19 PM EDT

@ViciaScience #asechat remind all it is Core, statutory to be taught, and even OfSted interested in it this year

LessonToolbox Oct 17 @ 3:20 PM EDT

#Lego predicting/comparing carbon stores via @best_shona #ukedchat #asechat #aussieEd https://t.co/YWUcil5h5p

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:20 PM EDT

@stevethedoc1 Unfortunately move from QC(D)A meant no more direct communication to schools of outcomes #asechat

gregtheseal Oct 17 @ 3:21 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @A_Weatherall @stevethedoc1 we give a baseline test to our 7's its enlightening #asechat

stevethedoc1 Oct 17 @ 3:21 PM EDT

@ViciaScience #asechat come on they only took tests in June now only October!!!!

ljrn42 Oct 17 @ 3:22 PM EDT

@gregtheseal @ViciaScience @A_Weatherall @stevethedoc1 does it stop parents complaining little Johnny has gone downhill? #asechat

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:23 PM EDT

@edujdw Increased stress levels in primary colleagues too? #asechat

CazGerrard Oct 17 @ 3:23 PM EDT

@gregtheseal @ViciaScience @A_Weatherall @stevethedoc1 So do we - I'd call it more scary than enlightening!! #asechat

stevethedoc1 Oct 17 @ 3:23 PM EDT

@gregtheseal #asechat in what way, literate, not able to write what you want, not got the science you want

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:24 PM EDT

@gregtheseal @A_Weatherall @stevethedoc1 Can you give examples of enlightenment (without causing offence)? #asechat

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:25 PM EDT

One reason for my interest in this topic is call for evidence by Education select committee https://t.co/LvcxeKDTLf #asechat

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:26 PM EDT

@edujdw Greatly saddened by number primary heads served prohibition orders due to KS2 test mismanagement. Something seriously wrong #asechat

gregtheseal Oct 17 @ 3:27 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @A_Weatherall @stevethedoc1 just shows the variability between primary in their sci teaching and how targets are set #asechat

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:27 PM EDT

@CazGerrard @gregtheseal @A_Weatherall @stevethedoc1 Can you give examples? #asechat

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:28 PM EDT

#ASEChat https://t.co/E7FKAKQq7Y

BenRogersEdu Oct 17 @ 3:26 PM EDT

.@CazGerrard @gregtheseal @ViciaScience @A_Weatherall @stevethedoc1 What science assessment do you use in year 7?

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:28 PM EDT

@gregtheseal @A_Weatherall @stevethedoc1 So consistency is first thing to sort out between schools? #asechat

stevethedoc1 Oct 17 @ 3:29 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @BenRogersEdu @CazGerrard @gregtheseal @A_Weatherall #asechat would be good if it was teacher assessment as pupils used to

BenRogersEdu Oct 17 @ 3:29 PM EDT

Am I right in thinking the DfE sampling tests are not available? @CazGerrard @gregtheseal @ViciaScience @A_Weatherall @stevethedoc1 #asechat

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:29 PM EDT

@CazGerrard @BenRogersEdu @gregtheseal @A_Weatherall @stevethedoc1 The changes to the primary science curriculum are significant #asechat

edubabbIe Oct 17 @ 3:30 PM EDT

Part-time employment is regarded as too prerogative to decide about the actual survey instrument. #asechat

Taubman_Edtech Oct 17 @ 3:30 PM EDT

@ciecyork Sustainability and community development are changing how students are viewing development. We must listen to them! #asechat

stevethedoc1 Oct 17 @ 3:30 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @gregtheseal @A_Weatherall #asechat enough materials for help, bath spa focussed assess, PLAN from London .....

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:31 PM EDT

Are current assessment arrangements adequate for assessing if changes to curriculum have been effective? #ASEChat

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:32 PM EDT

I have never seen them being made publicly available - has anyone else? #ASEChat https://t.co/GurZNGEcwk

BenRogersEdu Oct 17 @ 3:29 PM EDT

Am I right in thinking the DfE sampling tests are not available? @CazGerrard @gregtheseal @ViciaScience @A_Weatherall @stevethedoc1 #asechat

CazGerrard Oct 17 @ 3:33 PM EDT

Putting finishing touches to our CSI day tomorrow but so interested by #ASEchat tonight - argh!!

BenRogersEdu Oct 17 @ 3:33 PM EDT

@ViciaScience I'm assuming they use the same tests each year. #asechat

stevethedoc1 Oct 17 @ 3:34 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @BenRogersEdu @CazGerrard @gregtheseal @A_Weatherall #asechat no, still waiting for release of 2014 materials

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:34 PM EDT

@CazGerrard #ASEChat @UKParliament Where are the major gaps in science at primary? Physics? #asechat https://t.co/GuTVU8cvFM

CazGerrard Oct 17 @ 3:31 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @UKParliament As you know, we are working to redress the pri sci knowledge gap - it needs looking at! I have current data?

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:34 PM EDT

@CazGerrard #ASEChat @UKParliament Where are the major gaps in science at primary? Physics? #asechat https://t.co/GuTVU8cvFM

CazGerrard Oct 17 @ 3:31 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @UKParliament As you know, we are working to redress the pri sci knowledge gap - it needs looking at! I have current data?

stevethedoc1 Oct 17 @ 3:35 PM EDT

@BenRogersEdu @ViciaScience #asechat each time it has been different as curriculum changes, next sampling due in 2018 so who knows by then

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:35 PM EDT

@BenRogersEdu No. They do not even use the same test for whole sample in year, to ensure full coverage of curriculum #asechat

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:36 PM EDT

@stevethedoc1 @BenRogersEdu This is not enough evidence to assess the success of Nat Curric changes before next round of reviews! #asechat

HGourlayUEA Oct 17 @ 3:37 PM EDT

@ViciaScience anecdotally quantity, possibly now almost non-existent in some schs. Is it being researched? #asechat

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:37 PM EDT

@anhalf @BenRogersEdu @CazGerrard @gregtheseal @A_Weatherall @stevethedoc1 Can you give further details of their release? #asechat

stevethedoc1 Oct 17 @ 3:37 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @BenRogersEdu #asechat plan currently for some of same questions next time on 2018, but ......?

CazGerrard Oct 17 @ 3:37 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @UKParliament That's mainly it - lack of equipment? Understanding? Support and training? #asechat

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:38 PM EDT

@HGourlayUEA This would need to be a national research exercise? Not sure govt have the appetite #asechat

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:39 PM EDT

@stevethedoc1 @BenRogersEdu Intersting to see as soon as KS2 SATs stopped pupils stopped being able to draw circuits #asechat

HGourlayUEA Oct 17 @ 3:40 PM EDT

@ViciaScience Wellcome? #asechat

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:41 PM EDT

Is there a planned release date? Will only sample schools be notified? #ASEChat https://t.co/HRaxdbuF4f

anhalf Oct 17 @ 3:38 PM EDT

@ViciaScience idk ...after the statistical analysis ... feedback to schools of strength/weakness ...

stevethedoc1 Oct 17 @ 3:41 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @BenRogersEdu #asechat not quite, in schools were electricity was still learned it was still expected, others just stopped

A_Weatherall - Moderator Oct 17 @ 3:41 PM EDT

The government and @educationgovuk love research and evidence #asechat https://t.co/oj8UZKbsNg

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:38 PM EDT

@HGourlayUEA This would need to be a national research exercise? Not sure govt have the appetite #asechat

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:41 PM EDT

@HGourlayUEA Possible although their main concern currently is practical work along with Gatsby #asechat

anhalf Oct 17 @ 3:42 PM EDT

Shouldn't be case as it's in the NC, but so much pressure on tchrs for eng/math #asechat https://t.co/l8GPKZm2PD

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:39 PM EDT

@stevethedoc1 @BenRogersEdu Intersting to see as soon as KS2 SATs stopped pupils stopped being able to draw circuits #asechat

stevethedoc1 Oct 17 @ 3:43 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @BenRogersEdu #asechat parallels with reduced practical work at GCSE etc

anhalf Oct 17 @ 3:43 PM EDT

@ViciaScience #asechat as far as I know all schs will be informed..I guess like those old docs that used to come out post SATs.

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:43 PM EDT

@stevethedoc1 @BenRogersEdu lack of consistency in primary science between different primaries is a problem for secondaries #asechat

stevethedoc1 Oct 17 @ 3:44 PM EDT

@anhalf @ViciaScience @BenRogersEdu #asechat only by some heads and some LAs

stevethedoc1 Oct 17 @ 3:44 PM EDT

@anhalf @ViciaScience #asechat still awaiting the same analysis and outcomes from 2014 sampling

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:45 PM EDT

And I sympathise with pressure perceived by primary colleagues that makes science a lower priority at times #ASEChat https://t.co/5aZMqp33GJ

anhalf Oct 17 @ 3:42 PM EDT
Shouldn't be case as it's in the NC, but so much pressure on tchrs for eng/math #asechat https://t.co/l8GPKZm2PD
- ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:39 PM EDT
  
  @stevethedoc1 @BenRogersEdu Intersting to see as soon as KS2 SATs stopped pupils stopped being able to draw circuits #asechat

anhalf Oct 17 @ 3:45 PM EDT

@CazGerrard #asechat prim science gap? What do you mean? In general or is this a specific experience?

anhalf Oct 17 @ 3:46 PM EDT

@stevethedoc1 @ViciaScience #asechat ... I'm sure it will be worth waiting for 😂😉

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:46 PM EDT

@stevethedoc1 @BenRogersEdu Agreed and this is so sad as practical work has been a strength in many schools #asechat

stevethedoc1 Oct 17 @ 3:47 PM EDT

@anhalf @CazGerrard #asechat cannot do secondary science as they start Y7, surprised!?

anhalf Oct 17 @ 3:48 PM EDT

@ViciaScience #asechat. many tchrs worry bout sci, but it's fun ;) time2prepare resources always challenge. Needs strong subject ldr & +SLT

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:49 PM EDT

@SteveTeachPhys @stevethedoc1 Long time ago when NC first came in primary physics was 'an issue' but this has been resolved surely? #asechat

CazGerrard Oct 17 @ 3:50 PM EDT

@anhalf We struggle with lack of knowledge - evident at last two schools I taught in - some 7s reported little to 0 science taught #asechat

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:50 PM EDT

@anhalf And is PSQM a sensible solution for all? #asechat

SteveTeachPhys Oct 17 @ 3:50 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @stevethedoc1 lots of secondary science teachers don't like electricity (last year's aseconf help session was packed) #asechat

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:51 PM EDT

@SteveTeachPhys @stevethedoc1 OK - lets start a list of bogey topics in science! Guess many will be physics related #asechat

anhalf Oct 17 @ 3:51 PM EDT

@stevethedoc1 @CazGerrard so, what are the things we need to focus on? #asechat ... predicting? Conclusions?

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:52 PM EDT

@anhalf @stevethedoc1 @CazGerrard I would like to see good experience of key investigative skills and an awareness of the big ideas #asechat

stevethedoc1 Oct 17 @ 3:52 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @SteveTeachPhys #asechat truly bogey in order most biology then materials ( chemistry)

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:53 PM EDT

@stevethedoc1 @SteveTeachPhys No! Surely not! #asechat

anhalf Oct 17 @ 3:54 PM EDT

Use of odd one out/ make a link type of starters? #asechat https://t.co/uikQJsqFET

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:52 PM EDT

@anhalf @stevethedoc1 @CazGerrard I would like to see good experience of key investigative skills and an awareness of the big ideas #asechat

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:54 PM EDT

In the last couple of minutes can I just recap on some important aspects of the call for evidence? #asechat

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:55 PM EDT

Are we happy with current arrangements to assess NC maths and English by SAT in KS2? #asechat

anhalf Oct 17 @ 3:55 PM EDT

@CazGerrard @stevethedoc1 no experience or just forgot? My y6 forgot what they did in electricity til we started doing it... #asechat

stevethedoc1 Oct 17 @ 3:56 PM EDT

@ViciaScience #asechat commission report AWL, work load task group reports

stevethedoc1 Oct 17 @ 3:57 PM EDT

@anhalf @CazGerrard #asechat because they had 'done it' not applied it

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:57 PM EDT

Has the teaching of science suffered as a result of current assessment arrangements at KS2? #asechat

AuthenticMuffin Oct 17 @ 3:58 PM EDT

New #EdexcelGCSE resources uploaded! #ASEChat #GCSEScience Edexcel CP2 https://www.tes.comundefined via @tesResources

ViciaScience Oct 17 @ 3:59 PM EDT

#ASEChat examples of knowledge gaps? https://t.co/1PBkKSVJw0

CazGerrard Oct 17 @ 3:54 PM EDT

@anhalf @stevethedoc1 My current 7 cohort have no experience of electricity or forces

SteveTeachPhys Oct 17 @ 3:59 PM EDT

@ViciaScience lack of exam allows primary to concentrate on areas they're confident in, but is that a bad thing? #asechat