#mschat Archive

A chat that offers middle school teachers a chance to have a collaborative discussion about a different topic each week. Our topics change from week to week, ranging from Common Core State Standards to Character Education. During the chat, participants exchanges ideas and resources. The chat group ranges in size each week from 10 to 50+ participants. Discussion can be general talking about instructional style or process to specific. Recently members of the chat group help each other create lessons.

Thursday January 10, 2019
8:00 PM EST

  • blocht574 - Moderator Jan 10 @ 8:00 PM EST
    Tonight we are talking about keeping feedback on PAR inspired by @daveschmittou article https://t.co/3uche7BFmV #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Jan 10 @ 8:00 PM EST
    It is 8 PM time for the #mschat train to get rolling
  • blocht574 - Moderator Jan 10 @ 8:01 PM EST
    It will be a speedy 30 minutes tonight so time to meet everyone here! I am Todd Chat Moderator and #mschat organizer.
  • Mr_Lisek Jan 10 @ 8:01 PM EST
    Hello, all! Ryan in MI — 6th Grade Social Studies #mschat
  • MattCrowe0331 Jan 10 @ 8:02 PM EST
    Matt Crowe - 7th Grade Science -Missouri #mschat
  • Beyond_the_Desk Jan 10 @ 8:02 PM EST
    Katie, 6th grade reading and ELA, IN #mschat
  • daveschmittou Jan 10 @ 8:02 PM EST
    Dave here ready to learn and grow! Let’s do this #mschat
  • JoveStickel Jan 10 @ 8:02 PM EST
    I’m Jove MS principal from MO #mschat
  • ScholesE15 Jan 10 @ 8:02 PM EST
    Hi friends, Erin, 7th grade math, Northeastern CT #mschat
  • MrPStrunk Jan 10 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Hey all! Phil from Northern Virginia. I teach US History I&II and am the founder of #waledchat (Thurs at 9pm ET) and #Edusations (Youtube). #mschat
  • clowningar Jan 10 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Mike from Arlington VA USA, MOOC developer with 35,000 Foreign Language students #langchat #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Jan 10 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Q1: What kind of feedback is helpful to young adolescents? Why? #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Jan 10 @ 8:04 PM EST
    A1: I say that not putting the grade helps on feedback b/c students look for the grade, instead looking & listening to the feedback #mschat
  • ScholesE15 Jan 10 @ 8:04 PM EST
    A1) Highlighting mistakes, and providing information on how to correct the mistakes #mschat
  • Beyond_the_Desk Jan 10 @ 8:05 PM EST
    A1: Immediate feedback and practicing the correction as soon as possible with support so it feels safe and positive #mschat
  • Mr_Lisek Jan 10 @ 8:05 PM EST
    A1: Feedback needs to be clear, concise, and in language that is at their level of understanding. Positive and negative feedback are necessary for growth. #mschat
  • T_Lee3 Jan 10 @ 8:05 PM EST
    A1: feedback that is broken down is very helpful. We assume that Ss understand how to fix the mistakes using adult terms and that’s not fair. Make it simple and pointed. #mschat
  • JoveStickel Jan 10 @ 8:05 PM EST
    A1 the old sandwich method is big with feedback especially with MS kids. The focus also needs to be on progress and growth not grades #mschat
  • daveschmittou Jan 10 @ 8:06 PM EST
    1) MS kids want to appear strong, but the reality is they are searching for importance. They want to be noticed. They want to be valued. Any time their feedback can focus on strengths over deficiencies you have a better chance of getting through #mschat
  • MrPStrunk Jan 10 @ 8:06 PM EST
    A1: Honest conversations that build them up. Yes students need to know where they can grow, but at this age, it is so important to tell them the hope you see in them! #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Jan 10 @ 8:07 PM EST
    A1: Timely feedback that offers suggestions for improvement. Too long and it's not relevant. Too vague and it's not helpful. #mschat
  • daveschmittou Jan 10 @ 8:07 PM EST
    Safety is so important. If it’s not safe there is a fear of failure and a fear of taking the chances required to grow. #mschat
    In reply to @Beyond_the_Desk
  • clowningar Jan 10 @ 8:07 PM EST
    A1 Once Ss have answered Q?'s I ask a followup and they teach me #mschat
  • JoveStickel Jan 10 @ 8:07 PM EST
    A1b I also think it’s important not to give to much feedback focus on one or two things at a time so kids aren’t overwhelmed and can see the progress as they work #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Jan 10 @ 8:08 PM EST
    In our classroom: Where Do We Go From Here? Tools for Providing Timely, Personalized Feedback https://t.co/m508kj9Zex #mschat
  • TeacherRunner42 Jan 10 @ 8:08 PM EST
    good evening, #mschat - Michael from columbus Ohio checking in late!
  • stephannpalmer Jan 10 @ 8:08 PM EST
    A1: Going beyond the grade. Not only an indication of the mistakes that happened, but how to improve and do better. #mschat
  • Mr_Lisek Jan 10 @ 8:08 PM EST
    Yes! Timely feedback is necessary so the student have awareness of what they completed and can review and practice the content they struggled with. #mschat
    In reply to @Beyond_the_Desk
  • JoveStickel Jan 10 @ 8:08 PM EST
    I love how people have mentioned being immediate and honest #mschat
  • TeacherRunner42 Jan 10 @ 8:08 PM EST
    a1: short and to the point. Focus on one skill and let them master it! #mschat
  • MrK_WCMath7th Jan 10 @ 8:09 PM EST
    Brett Kobernus - 8th Grade Math - Missouri #mschat
    In reply to @MattCrowe0331
  • blocht574 - Moderator Jan 10 @ 8:10 PM EST
    Q2 What kind of feedback is harmful to young adolescents--and what do we do to combat that? #mschat
  • stephannpalmer Jan 10 @ 8:10 PM EST
    A1: Be specific, short and sweet. (Like this tweet!) #mschat
  • GregKostiuk Jan 10 @ 8:10 PM EST
    Greg from Alberta, Principal A1 The more immediate the better. Reflective practices are great tools. #mschat
  • FbellomoB Jan 10 @ 8:10 PM EST
    This is totally true! #mschat
    In reply to @blocht574
  • MattCrowe0331 Jan 10 @ 8:10 PM EST
    A1- A 'fail forward' approach always works. Always try to convince them they can do better. #mschat
  • T_Lee3 Jan 10 @ 8:10 PM EST
    A2: feedback that eludes to mastery when they don’t have the skill mastered is harmful. #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Jan 10 @ 8:11 PM EST
    A2. Vague, shallow and lazy feedback. "good job" is an example. Useless and non progressive. #MSchat
  • JoveStickel Jan 10 @ 8:11 PM EST
    A1 I think being negative in our comments and not having a warm compassionate approach to their work is harmful. We must be genuine and mindful #mschat
  • Mr_Lisek Jan 10 @ 8:11 PM EST
    A2: Any feedback that just says what is wrong with their product and does provide constructive methods for improvement. #mschat
  • Beyond_the_Desk Jan 10 @ 8:11 PM EST
    A2: Avoid putting a score whenever possible. It’s not hippie-dippy nonsense. Research shows kids quit paying attention to any corrective feedback the moment they see a score. It stunts their academic growth. Descriptive feedback is far more effective. #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Jan 10 @ 8:12 PM EST
    A2: Feedback that focuses on negative instead of focusing on how that individual can grow their learning is harmful to midlev kids #mschat
  • TeacherRunner42 Jan 10 @ 8:12 PM EST
    a2: vague feedback is useless. good job. try harder. and nothing raises anxiety faster than "See me." #mschat
  • T_Lee3 Jan 10 @ 8:12 PM EST
    A2: Harnfuk feedback is unnecessary criticism. They’re already ticking time bombs some days. Let’s not create more drama. #mschat
  • ScholesE15 Jan 10 @ 8:12 PM EST
    A2) Pointing out the thing they know they struggle with in a negative way, only reinforces the struggle, not the progress towards improvement. #mschat
  • GregKostiuk Jan 10 @ 8:12 PM EST
    A2 Summative assessment without formative assessment #mschat
  • MattCrowe0331 Jan 10 @ 8:12 PM EST
    A2- Never let feedback turn into an exercise in "Gotcha!!" #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Jan 10 @ 8:13 PM EST
    A2:Generic words and numbers are harmful because they do not give Ss a goal to work towards. #mschat
  • BrysonBridget Jan 10 @ 8:13 PM EST
    I am late to the party after a long time away - looks like this is a chat I need to be in though! Bridget - 6th grade ELA in GA #mschat
  • daveschmittou Jan 10 @ 8:13 PM EST
    2) Feedback that is simply punitive with no strategy for improvement is useless and harmful. We need to teach kids not only what their strengths are but also how to recover when a weakness is discovered. #mschat
  • dr_helgeson Jan 10 @ 8:14 PM EST
    A2: Feedback that is misdirected, unrelated to task, or beyond the scope. #mschat
  • MrPStrunk Jan 10 @ 8:15 PM EST
    A2: Feedback not given out of the desire to encourage our students. There is a way to critique without being devastating. There is a way to be positive without going over the top. #mschat
  • FbellomoB Jan 10 @ 8:15 PM EST
    A2. A paper full of red feedback is never fun to receive. If a student struggles in writing conventions or the process, don’t focus on everything at once. It’s overwhelming. Pick one or a couple areas and don’t continue to mark up the whole paper for the same mistakes. #mschat
    In reply to @blocht574
  • blocht574 - Moderator Jan 10 @ 8:16 PM EST
    Q3 for #mschat: What kind of feedback do teachers & leaders need/want--and from whom & when?
  • BrysonBridget Jan 10 @ 8:16 PM EST
    A2: taking away points for behavior with no exceptions - I’m always looking to show folk that there are other ways to help with teaching organization. #mschat
  • clowningar Jan 10 @ 8:16 PM EST
    Started a World list of 4k Ts for cultural, Language & Science Coop https://t.co/EaqGvDQxEV #langchat #mschat
  • FbellomoB Jan 10 @ 8:16 PM EST
    So true! We are all guilty of it at some point in our careers. #mschat
    In reply to @blocht574
  • blocht574 - Moderator Jan 10 @ 8:17 PM EST
    A3: I like feedback from my Ss after lessons & units. Also, love feedback from my principal. Constructive!! #mschat
  • dr_helgeson Jan 10 @ 8:17 PM EST
    students need to be motivated to grow emotionally, socially, and academically #mschat
    In reply to @MrPStrunk
  • GregKostiuk Jan 10 @ 8:17 PM EST
    a2 Assessment should be 'for' or 'as' learning, rather than 'of' learning #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Jan 10 @ 8:18 PM EST
    A3: We need honest feedback from our students because they each know how they learn best. Helps us meet each individal. #mschat
  • T_Lee3 Jan 10 @ 8:18 PM EST
    A3: teachers should want non PC honest feedback. I want to know exactly what I need to do to have the highest evaluation possible. #MSChat
  • stephannpalmer Jan 10 @ 8:18 PM EST
    A3; Teachers want realistic feedback. Not just encouragement or criticism. Like what can we actually change / improve? #mschat
  • BrysonBridget Jan 10 @ 8:18 PM EST
    A3: my admin came to observe me. After he left there were 3 sticky notes on my computer, each stating something positive he had enjoyed in our room. Made me feel like a million bucks. Now I do the same with my kiddos #leadingbyexample #mschat
  • daveschmittou Jan 10 @ 8:19 PM EST
    3) Feedback is only effective when it is presumed to come from a place of trust and support. Feedback that comes from a place with negative intent is often responded to w/ bitterness and contempt. This is true for kids and adults. Trust is the secret sauce! #mschat
  • Beyond_the_Desk Jan 10 @ 8:19 PM EST
    A3: I appreciate knowing what I’m doing well. And I do sincerely want to know how I can improve, but corrective feedback still tends to hurt at first. Give me time to wrap my mind around it. Then equip me to do better. #mschat
  • dr_helgeson Jan 10 @ 8:19 PM EST
    A3: Feedback from multiple colleagues at various levels that is genuine, purposeful, direct, and supported with resources. #mschat
  • T_Lee3 Jan 10 @ 8:19 PM EST
    A3: Also, teachers should want feedback from the Ss. My favorite thing i do is my quarterly survey on what I did well and what I never need to do again. #MSChat
  • ellendamore Jan 10 @ 8:19 PM EST
    Hello there #mschat! Ellen in OH chiming in. A1 & 2: feedback should be a conversation/2 way. Ask q’s to help them self-evaluate. Coach them towards improvement. Lead them 2 think critically & motivate them to own & improve. Inspire perseverance & pride.
  • blocht574 - Moderator Jan 10 @ 8:20 PM EST
    8 essentials of good student #feedback https://t.co/1yGoczKGi5 @middleweb #mschat
  • ScholesE15 Jan 10 @ 8:20 PM EST
    A3) I like to see evidence of growth, I think this important for Ss too. Here is where you started, here is where you are now, look how far you have come. Focusing on growth prior to what is needed for further growth, gives the inspiration to grow further. #mschat
  • Mr_Lisek Jan 10 @ 8:20 PM EST
    A3: Feedback from peers is very effective from my point of view. Any feedback that can help improve the craft and make class more effective for students. #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Jan 10 @ 8:21 PM EST
    Q4 for #mschat: How has technology impacted giving & getting feedback & grades? Specific tools? Pros/Cons?
  • ScholesE15 Jan 10 @ 8:22 PM EST
    A3) One of the things I really like with our formal observations is that we are to let our admin know what it is we would like them to look for. Since I have asked for the feedback on a specific area, it is easier to digest... hmmm how can we do this with students too?! #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Jan 10 @ 8:23 PM EST
    A4: With Kidblog, Google Drive, Socrative,etc. I can provide more feedback more frequently. It's easily accessible for stdent&parent #mschat
  • stephannpalmer Jan 10 @ 8:23 PM EST
    Because having an admin come and observe is daunting and stressful enough! #mschat
    In reply to @BrysonBridget
  • dr_helgeson Jan 10 @ 8:23 PM EST
    A4: provided opportunities to expand the network resulting greater feedback and more chances for effective growth #mschat
  • daveschmittou Jan 10 @ 8:23 PM EST
    Here’s some feedback: @Beyond_the_Desk AWESOME job with this article. So practice and so many great suggestions. https://t.co/eGNVHQ7hKO #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Jan 10 @ 8:24 PM EST
    a4: googledocs also allows you to comment on documents specifically and Ss can view and revise w/ a saved history #mschat
  • GregKostiuk Jan 10 @ 8:24 PM EST
    a4 Plickers can be a great, easy to use, immediate tool https://t.co/nJB5RvyqGF #mschat
  • FbellomoB Jan 10 @ 8:24 PM EST
    A3. It’s human nature for people to want feedback. Constructive and useful feedback is needed. Highlight the positives, bring into light the areas that can be enhanced, and provide areas to focus on for improvement when necessary. #mschat
    In reply to @blocht574
  • Mr_Lisek Jan 10 @ 8:24 PM EST
    A4: The speed that feedbackcan be given is so much greater. A negative is that because it CAN be so fast, Ps expect feedback faster than we can get it out to them. #mschat
  • BrysonBridget Jan 10 @ 8:24 PM EST
    A4: Google C’room has been a game changer for me. This semester using Google Sites and kids are putting all their work there, with reflections, then posting the link in GC after publishing. So much learning. Easier to give feedback. Love doing verbal fbk w/Screencastify #mschat
  • Beyond_the_Desk Jan 10 @ 8:24 PM EST
    I like the idea of choosing something specific. That leaves us with a sense of control as we’re being judged and makes the feedback targeted and powerful. #mschat
    In reply to @ScholesE15
  • MrPStrunk Jan 10 @ 8:25 PM EST
    A4: Going 1:1 has been helpful for me to provide faster feedback to Ss through Google Classroom. #mschat
  • daveschmittou Jan 10 @ 8:25 PM EST
    Here’s some feedback: @Beyond_the_Desk AWESOME job with this article. So practical and so many great ideas https://t.co/eGNVHQ7hKO #mschat
  • TracyMailloux Jan 10 @ 8:25 PM EST
    Hello there #mschat. Tracy,6th gr T from MA, hopping in.
  • ScholesE15 Jan 10 @ 8:25 PM EST
    A4) Sometimes I find myself writing the same comment over and over. @Classkick allows you to make "stickers" and personalize them, so you don't have to type the same note or formula over and over. #mschat
  • clowningar Jan 10 @ 8:25 PM EST
    A3 ms Ss have their selfesteem based on being right. There is so much pressure in S to be smart. I like to have community mentors to help stimulate curiousity. I've interviewed 80+ celbrities https://t.co/p9tL1UeCjP #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Jan 10 @ 8:26 PM EST
    Final Q5 is here: if grades & feedback were a food 4 middle level education, what kind of food would they be and why? #mschat (for @DruTomlin4Edu )
  • JoveStickel Jan 10 @ 8:26 PM EST
    A4 Tech has made feedback almost instantaneous, it also provides teachers with more opportunity to provide feedback to students in a variety of different ways #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Jan 10 @ 8:27 PM EST
    A5: Lasagna! Lot of layers! #mschat
  • Beyond_the_Desk Jan 10 @ 8:27 PM EST
    I LOVE @Classkick! I’ve been with them for years now. #mschat
    In reply to @ScholesE15, @Classkick, @Classkick
  • ScholesE15 Jan 10 @ 8:27 PM EST
    I really am trying to think (specifically about math) how I could do this with students... Index card, show work to one problem/write what you want checked...? hmmm #mschat
    In reply to @Beyond_the_Desk
  • MrPStrunk Jan 10 @ 8:27 PM EST
    A5: Grades would be veggies (I don't like them but I gotta eat them). Feedback is more like fruit because of what it can bear after it is given! #mschat
  • stephannpalmer Jan 10 @ 8:28 PM EST
    A5: Peanut butter and jelly. Because one isn't as good without the other. #mschat
  • MattCrowe0331 Jan 10 @ 8:28 PM EST
    A5- Kale...you might not like it sometimes but it's good for you!! #mschat
  • ScholesE15 Jan 10 @ 8:28 PM EST
    I am piloting it for our school, We should find some time to chat, so I can hear more about how you use it! #mschat
    In reply to @Beyond_the_Desk, @Classkick
  • Beyond_the_Desk Jan 10 @ 8:29 PM EST
    You’ll figure it out, and it will be awesome! #mschat
    In reply to @ScholesE15
  • dr_helgeson Jan 10 @ 8:29 PM EST
    A5: A tootsie pop....it takes quality and consistent feedback to reach the end goal where in the ideal world would be void of grades #mschat
  • T_Lee3 Jan 10 @ 8:29 PM EST
    A5: grades would candy because at the end of the day it doesn’t give you much nutritional value. Feedback would be veggies because when cooked right they are tasteful and healthy #MSChat
  • Beyond_the_Desk Jan 10 @ 8:29 PM EST
    Yay! #mschat
    In reply to @ScholesE15, @Classkick
  • ScholesE15 Jan 10 @ 8:29 PM EST
    A5) Protein Shakes... some taste good, some are gross, but in the end they are good for us #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Jan 10 @ 8:30 PM EST
    Thanks for everyone joining in tonight! #mschat
  • JoveStickel Jan 10 @ 8:30 PM EST
    A5 Pancakes and syrup. The syrup is what everybody loves and the pancake is the reason to have it Syrup is definitely the feedback #mschat
  • daveschmittou Jan 10 @ 8:30 PM EST
    5) Feedback is like a giant spaghetti noodle. If not handled with care it can never be pulled in. If wrapped up, you can take in a lot at once. If it’s really reciprocal, two people can actually be brought a whole lot closer as a result of it. #mschat
  • Beyond_the_Desk Jan 10 @ 8:30 PM EST
    A5: Vitamins. Many ways to take them. Does a lot of good. Necessary for growth. But harmful if used wrong. #mschat
  • ellendamore Jan 10 @ 8:30 PM EST
    Love it Todd! Nod to @DruTomlin4Edu A5: feedback is the appetizer. Whetting the appetite for more! #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Jan 10 @ 8:31 PM EST
    Have an awesome Friday and focus on staying on PAR with feedback #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Jan 10 @ 8:31 PM EST
    Remember #mschat is here every Thursday during school year!
  • Beyond_the_Desk Jan 10 @ 8:31 PM EST
    Thanks @blocht574! Always ❤️ #mschat!
  • blocht574 - Moderator Jan 10 @ 8:32 PM EST
    The @AMLE call for presenters is open https://t.co/3bCk8LZ1n9 Join thousands of incredible educators at a TOP educational conference #mschat
  • clowningar Jan 10 @ 8:34 PM EST
    A3 3k Ts of World in many Languages for Mystery Skype/hangouts, penpals, blogs etc Started a World list of 4k Ts for cultural, Language & Science Coop https://t.co/EaqGvDQxEV#langchat #mschat #langchat
  • Mr_Lisek Jan 10 @ 8:36 PM EST
    Great chat tonight, @blocht574! Thanks #mschat crew for allowing me to learn with you. If you’re bored and want to listen to something, check out the intro episode of my podcast on iTunes (maybe Spotify soon). Next week’s episode will feature @MrPStrunk! https://t.co/fwoGq2farv
  • blocht574 - Moderator Jan 10 @ 8:50 PM EST
    Yes,’I value students input in lessons #mschat
    In reply to @MattCrowe0331
  • clowningar Jan 10 @ 8:59 PM EST
    I've followed most, please follow, or it gets ackward and I feel like I'm stalking #langchat #denchat #mschat
  • EduGladiators Jan 10 @ 9:00 PM EST
    🍎#EduGladiators series continues SATURDAY! @teambond will be leading the convo + FREE laptop sticker giveaway during the chat! #MasteryChat #mschat #langchat #G2Great @kyedchat #UrbanEdChat #rethinkla #sstlap #eduar #K12artchat #EducationForFuture #waledchat #teachnvchat #atplc