#collschat Archive
Collingswood Public Schools Book chats and other education topics.
Tuesday April 19, 2016
7:30 PM EDT
whalen
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Apr 19 @ 7:32 PM EDT
Dan from South Jersey - Tech coach, I'm moderating. Q1/A1 format. Scheduled for 45 min tonight!
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whalen
- Moderator
Apr 19 @ 7:32 PM EDT
Introduce yourselves! How are you liking "Now you see it"
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CollsChem
Apr 19 @ 7:34 PM EDT
Kathryn from colls hs. Loving the book so far!
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MsYucis
Apr 19 @ 7:34 PM EDT
Elisabeth, HS English in Colls. Loving the book even more this week- chapters could not have been more relevant.
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CollsCompSci
Apr 19 @ 7:35 PM EDT
Lori - High School Computer Science. The book is awesome. I can't keep up, being my "first year", but it is so interesting.
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MrsVesper
Apr 19 @ 7:36 PM EDT
Debi, School Psych from Colls. Love that it is relevant for my field too!
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whalen
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Apr 19 @ 7:36 PM EDT
Q1: what do you need to unlearn about traditional grading? What concerns do you have?
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mr_dfenton
Apr 19 @ 7:38 PM EDT
A1: Biggest thing to unlearn about traditional grading is motivation. How do we motivate w/o the leverage of grades?
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CollsCompSci
Apr 19 @ 7:38 PM EDT
A1: The grading section of the book was very enlightening. I'm happily grading kids' output this year ... just because I can.
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MsYucis
Apr 19 @ 7:39 PM EDT
A1: I want my students to stop feeling labeled by grades. They can redo any assignment; I want to reward improvement.
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CollsCompSci
Apr 19 @ 7:40 PM EDT
When we did standards based grading at Beck MS, Ss stopped doing homework because it didn't count.
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mr_dfenton
Apr 19 @ 7:38 PM EDT
A1: Biggest thing to unlearn about traditional grading is motivation. How do we motivate w/o the leverage of grades?
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whalen
- Moderator
Apr 19 @ 7:41 PM EDT
@CollsCompSci
Ah but was it HW they needed or busy work? ;)
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CollsChem
Apr 19 @ 7:41 PM EDT
A1: how to convey that grades do mean something, but they don't mean everything
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MrsVesper
Apr 19 @ 7:42 PM EDT
A1: Helps to grade students on their own level and differentiate what we expect the results to be in each case
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cwahlCHS
Apr 19 @ 7:42 PM EDT
Carol from CHS! Not paying attention to the time tonight...
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mr_dfenton
Apr 19 @ 7:42 PM EDT
@CollsCompSci
Interesting. How did teachers react to that?
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whalen
- Moderator
Apr 19 @ 7:42 PM EDT
Great question. Think it points to a larger problem with the system.
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mr_dfenton
Apr 19 @ 7:38 PM EDT
A1: Biggest thing to unlearn about traditional grading is motivation. How do we motivate w/o the leverage of grades?
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CollsCompSci
Apr 19 @ 7:43 PM EDT
@whalen
It was absolutely needed because it was 10th grade math in 8th grade. Fast-paced honors.
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CollsChem
Apr 19 @ 7:44 PM EDT
@mr_dfenton
this one of my biggest struggles! Also how teaching how to prioritize without grades as an indicator of importance
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CollsCompSci
Apr 19 @ 7:44 PM EDT
@whalen
The students that succeeded 99% of the time were those that did their homework. Otherwise, it would have been no problem!
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cwahlCHS
Apr 19 @ 7:44 PM EDT
A1: Am struggling with this in my program now. With my guys, grades aren't even a motivator.
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whalen
- Moderator
Apr 19 @ 7:46 PM EDT
Q2: what model of assessment should the 21st century embrace?
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MsYucis
Apr 19 @ 7:46 PM EDT
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@CollsCompSci
@whalen
today I assigned a 5min HW reading & told them they would ENJOY class more if they did it.
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CollsTechElem
Apr 19 @ 7:47 PM EDT
Hi! Lisa DeAngelis...accidentally fashionably late! Sorry!
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CollsCompSci
Apr 19 @ 7:47 PM EDT
@mr_dfenton
Principal did his doc. diss. on SBG. He made a mandatory 3pm math hw club if it wasn't being done at home.
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CollsArt
Apr 19 @ 7:50 PM EDT
Hi everyone! Lisa, art teacher from NJ. Multi-tasking from cub scouts tonight. Happy to join the book chat.
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CollsCompSci
Apr 19 @ 7:50 PM EDT
@mr_dfenton
He was determined, but it was Cherry Hill - grades valued, it ended after 3 yrs. I believed in it wholeheartedly.
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whalen
- Moderator
Apr 19 @ 7:51 PM EDT
These are the growing pains. Have to attack it as a community.
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CollsCompSci
Apr 19 @ 7:50 PM EDT
@mr_dfenton
He was determined, but it was Cherry Hill - grades valued, it ended after 3 yrs. I believed in it wholeheartedly.
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MrsVesper
Apr 19 @ 7:51 PM EDT
Self monitoring acquisition of skills is rewarding & provides motivation to keep setting & achieving goals-Ss monitor learning
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whalen
- Moderator
Apr 19 @ 7:52 PM EDT
Q3: Agree or disagree? Is this true or not? Should it be?
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mr_dfenton
Apr 19 @ 7:54 PM EDT
A2: I don't know what system should replace trad. grading, but it should be more nuanced and holistic
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MsYucis
Apr 19 @ 7:54 PM EDT
A3: totally agreed with that quote. It's what differentiates secondary vs higher Ed.
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CollsArt
Apr 19 @ 7:54 PM EDT
A3: YES! I agree!
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CollsChem
Apr 19 @ 7:55 PM EDT
A3: should be. concerned that it is becoming less so.
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cwahlCHS
Apr 19 @ 7:55 PM EDT
A3: I agree with this completely. Not sure if it is always true, but it should be.
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CollsCompSci
Apr 19 @ 7:55 PM EDT
Q2: We need a combination of hearing them speak, watch them demonstrate and read their essays for the full picture.
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CollsTechElem
Apr 19 @ 7:55 PM EDT
A1: I use project-based learning, so my grading has a lot to do with whether or not the students completed the project.
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CollsChem
Apr 19 @ 7:56 PM EDT
A2: changing attitude is even more important than changing the system- need to move away from the idea that scores=learning
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whalen
- Moderator
Apr 19 @ 7:57 PM EDT
Yes. How often do politicians actually address LEARNING?
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CollsChem
Apr 19 @ 7:56 PM EDT
A2: changing attitude is even more important than changing the system- need to move away from the idea that scores=learning
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whalen
- Moderator
Apr 19 @ 7:57 PM EDT
Q4: honest moment - how do you really feel about video games? How about after chap 5?
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CollsCompSci
Apr 19 @ 7:58 PM EDT
A3: Agree. Went over AP Practice Exam together. Changed mid lesson to Ss reading the explanations, & testing code instead.
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MrsVesper
Apr 19 @ 7:59 PM EDT
A3: Agree! So many skills needed to become educated-I talk to Ss about time mgmt, prioritizing, avoiding dangerous distractions.
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CollsCompSci
Apr 19 @ 8:00 PM EDT
Q5: Honest answer: Haven't read chapter 5 yet. Not a fan of video games unless you are programming them yourself ... of course.
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mr_dfenton
Apr 19 @ 8:00 PM EDT
@whalen
LOVE the idea of portfolios, but they're not as efficient as a number or letter grade. People don't like inefficiency.
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participatelrn
Apr 19 @ 8:01 PM EDT
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CollsArt
Apr 19 @ 8:01 PM EDT
A4: hmmm, haven't gotten to chapter 5 yet. Been too busy playing video games.
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whalen
- Moderator
Apr 19 @ 8:01 PM EDT
I agree. And ugh smh grrr...
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mr_dfenton
Apr 19 @ 8:00 PM EDT
@whalen
LOVE the idea of portfolios, but they're not as efficient as a number or letter grade. People don't like inefficiency.
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CollsChem
Apr 19 @ 8:02 PM EDT
Grew up not playing video games & I've always regretted that I'm lacking that skill!
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MsYucis
Apr 19 @ 8:02 PM EDT
A4: I see the value of games more, but struggle with how they make students better readers/discussion participants.
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CollsChem
Apr 19 @ 8:03 PM EDT
A5: everything in moderation!
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cwahlCHS
Apr 19 @ 8:03 PM EDT
@mr_dfenton
portfolios are efficient! My Ss books are filled with work samples, task analysis, and recommendations.
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cwahlCHS
Apr 19 @ 8:03 PM EDT
@CollsChem
one of my favorite mantras!
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CollsChem
Apr 19 @ 8:03 PM EDT
@CollsChem
all of my computer games growing up were educational
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CollsArt
Apr 19 @ 8:04 PM EDT
Portfolios consume my life, but I wouldn't have it any other way.
@mr_dfenton
@whalen
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mr_dfenton
Apr 19 @ 8:04 PM EDT
@cwahlCHS
But how do portfolios fit on a transcript?
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whalen
- Moderator
Apr 19 @ 8:04 PM EDT
Q5: Can video games provide this? How can you make your classroom more like a video game?
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CollsCompSci
Apr 19 @ 8:05 PM EDT
@CollsChem
I'm sorry did someone get into the Stanford doctoral program???
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MsYucis
Apr 19 @ 8:06 PM EDT
A5: video games can provide this. But I also think reading can too, in a more subtle way.
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CollsArt
Apr 19 @ 8:06 PM EDT
And- portfolios are very efficient. Observable, quantitative, and demonstrates progress.
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@mr_dfenton
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cwahlCHS
Apr 19 @ 8:06 PM EDT
@mr_dfenton
hmmm..my guys are more likely taking their portfolio to a job interview not sending a transcript.
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CollsCompSci
Apr 19 @ 8:06 PM EDT
@CollsChem
Again, doctoral ... Stanford ...
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CollsArt
Apr 19 @ 8:07 PM EDT
For some students a portfolio trumps a transcript. Maybe it should be that way for everyone.
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@cwahlCHS
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whalen
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Apr 19 @ 8:08 PM EDT
Q6: how do you inspire curiosity now?
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CollsArt
Apr 19 @ 8:08 PM EDT
A5: I think "potentially catastrophic" is a prerequisite for all of my lessons.
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CollsCompSci
Apr 19 @ 8:09 PM EDT
A5: Programming in Alice is like a video game. They enjoy it.
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whalen
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Apr 19 @ 8:10 PM EDT
I really need to visit your class. Putting it in the calendar. :)
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CollsArt
Apr 19 @ 8:08 PM EDT
A5: I think "potentially catastrophic" is a prerequisite for all of my lessons.
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MrsVesper
Apr 19 @ 8:10 PM EDT
A6: Ask meaningful questions, make the Ss think about topics relevant to them...inspires more thinking/curiosity
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mr_dfenton
Apr 19 @ 8:11 PM EDT
A6: I think students already have a lot of curiosity. My job is just to tap into it.
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CollsArt
Apr 19 @ 8:11 PM EDT
@whalen
You are welcome anytime! Be prepared to work when you get there!
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CollsCompSci
Apr 19 @ 8:12 PM EDT
A6: Have Ss enter code and see what the output will be.
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CollsChem
Apr 19 @ 8:12 PM EDT
A6: Model it- show interest in student Qs and find out the answers together
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whalen
- Moderator
Apr 19 @ 8:14 PM EDT
Awesome chat!! Loving this book and discussion. Next week - chapter 6/7!
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CollsCompSci
Apr 19 @ 8:14 PM EDT
Thanks, Dan!
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whalen
- Moderator
Apr 19 @ 8:14 PM EDT
Thank you guys for showing up every week! Love our group!
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MsYucis
Apr 19 @ 8:14 PM EDT
A6: I agree w/
@CollsChem
about modeling curiosity. I try to find ways to talk to students about things I'm learning
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CollsArt
Apr 19 @ 8:14 PM EDT
I'm out, gotta pick up my other kid at ballet!
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mr_dfenton
Apr 19 @ 8:15 PM EDT
@MsYucis
But then the portfolio got assigned a letter grade? I'd like to see portfolio completely take the place of letter grade.
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CollsChem
Apr 19 @ 8:15 PM EDT
A6: heard a S this week claim to hate learning & it made me sad to see the learning=school=bad association so ingrained
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CollsChem
Apr 19 @ 8:15 PM EDT
@MsYucis
loved the day I walked away from my tutoring table & came back to you explaining eq to them!
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whalen
- Moderator
Apr 19 @ 8:16 PM EDT
There it is. It is such a radical paradigm shift, not easy to accept, but have to start.
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mr_dfenton
Apr 19 @ 8:15 PM EDT
@MsYucis
But then the portfolio got assigned a letter grade? I'd like to see portfolio completely take the place of letter grade.
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CollsChem
Apr 19 @ 8:16 PM EDT
@CollsChem
our task is to get the. To unlearn that connection!
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CollsCompSci
Apr 19 @ 8:17 PM EDT
@CollsChem
@MsYucis
The science teacher on my team helped me before and after school sometimes when I taught math. :)
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CollsChem
Apr 19 @ 8:17 PM EDT
@CollsChem
our task is to get them to unlearn the connection!
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CollsCompSci
Apr 19 @ 8:18 PM EDT
@CollsChem
@MsYucis
Helped me tutor. But your ELA which is extra special!
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CollsCompSci
Apr 19 @ 8:19 PM EDT
@CollsChem
@MsYucis
YOU'RE
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MrsVesper
Apr 19 @ 8:22 PM EDT
Glad to participate in this group. Nice to feel positive after a long, draining day!
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CollsChem
Apr 19 @ 8:23 PM EDT
Agreed!!
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MrsVesper
Apr 19 @ 8:22 PM EDT
Glad to participate in this group. Nice to feel positive after a long, draining day!
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