#iteachphysics Archive

BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:00 AM EDT

Good morning. Welcome to this week's #iteachphysics chat. Today let's discuss what makes a good #physics textbook?

iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:00 AM EDT

Good morning. Welcome to this week's #iteachphysics chat. Today let's discuss what makes a good #physics textbook?

BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:02 AM EDT

Textbooks are a critical component of the teaching/learning experience. #iteachphysics

iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:02 AM EDT

Textbooks are a critical component of the teaching/learning experience. #iteachphysics

MsHLye Apr 2 @ 10:03 AM EDT

Textbooks are a supplementary resource used for practice. I want mine to be used less in my classroom #iteachphysics

iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:04 AM EDT

A textbook can be a a great help or a great problem. So let's discuss the characteristics of a textbook and their best use #iteachphysics

BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:04 AM EDT

A textbook can be a a great help or a great problem. So let's discuss the characteristics of a textbook and their best use #iteachphysics

BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:06 AM EDT

Before we get started let's do a roll call. Where do you teach and what level? Pls remember to use #iteachphysics in your tweets

iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:06 AM EDT

Before we get started let's do a roll call. Where do you teach and what level? Pls remember to use #iteachphysics in your tweets

LCTTA Apr 2 @ 10:08 AM EDT

@iteachphysics Joe. TYC in NC. Conceptual and intro calc-based physics, astronomy. #iteachphysics

iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:08 AM EDT

Q1: What are some of your favorite textbooks and why? #iteachphysics

BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:08 AM EDT

Q1: What are some of your favorite textbooks and why? #iteachphysics

LCTTA Apr 2 @ 10:09 AM EDT

A1) Matter & Interactions (Chabay and Sherwood) because it begins by acknowledging that the 20th century happened. #iteachphysics

nuclear94 Apr 2 @ 10:10 AM EDT

I love Harrison's book Elementary Electronic Structure. I use it for my Solid State Class @BlackPhysicists @worldscientific #iteachphysics

BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:10 AM EDT

Halliday and Resnick is my absolute favorite followed closely by Tipler #iteachphysics

iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:10 AM EDT

Halliday and Resnick is my absolute favorite followed closely by Tipler #iteachphysics

MsHLye Apr 2 @ 10:10 AM EDT

Heather from the Toronto area. HS physics #iteachphysics

nuclear94 Apr 2 @ 10:11 AM EDT

#iteachphysics Jeff Terry of @IIT_Science checking in. I teach grad and undergrad physics

MsHLye Apr 2 @ 10:11 AM EDT

a1 No favourite here. My colleague and I chose our Gr 11 book from 2-3 choices based on which one had the most practice Qs #iteachphysics

LCTTA Apr 2 @ 10:12 AM EDT

A1) Development of Concepts of Physics by Arnold Arons https://t.co/c9vyDVQGAz #iteachphysics

nuclear94 Apr 2 @ 10:13 AM EDT

Harrison demonstrates that it is important to understand the concepts behind the physics #iteachphysics @BlackPhysicists @worldscientific

LCTTA Apr 2 @ 10:13 AM EDT

A1) The Arons text has the best@exposition@of special relativity I’ve ever seen. #iteachphysics

BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:13 AM EDT

#iteachphysics Harrison Electronic Structure is a classic @nuclear94

nuclear94 Apr 2 @ 10:14 AM EDT

That understanding the concepts can in fact be more important than calculational accuracy. @BlackPhysicists @worldscientific #iteachphysics

iPublicPolicy Apr 2 @ 10:14 AM EDT

@BlackPhysicists Yeah! Met Bob Resnick @RPI. There's a Physics Lab book that went with text, written by Meiners & Eppenstein #iteachphysics

MsHLye Apr 2 @ 10:15 AM EDT

I sound like a broken record as I tell my Ss this most days at least once. #iteachphysics https://t.co/3mvpPuG1gp

nuclear94 Apr 2 @ 10:14 AM EDT

That understanding the concepts can in fact be more important than calculational accuracy. @BlackPhysicists @worldscientific #iteachphysics

LCTTA Apr 2 @ 10:16 AM EDT

A1) Hume and Ivey (Frames of Reference) wrote a 2 vol intro text that goes from frames of ref to e&m field tensor. #iteachphysics

nuclear94 Apr 2 @ 10:16 AM EDT

I hate to say it but there are only 4 textbooks that I really love. #iteachphysics

BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:17 AM EDT

#iteachphysics I tweeted some references earlier that discussed formally how to evaluate a textbook. Q2: What do you look for in textbook?

iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:17 AM EDT

#iteachphysics I tweeted some references earlier that discussed formally how to evaluate a textbook. Q2: What do you look for in textbook?

LCTTA Apr 2 @ 10:18 AM EDT

A2) First thing for me is ALWAYS treatment of work and energy. M&I sets the standard one this topic. Use of systems. #iteachphysics

iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:19 AM EDT

+@MsHLye Having good problems for students to solve is a key criteria. Did the book you chose have open-ended problems? #iteachphysics

LCTTA Apr 2 @ 10:19 AM EDT

A2) Then I look at the treatment of vectors and look for consistency in terminology and symbols used. #iteachphysics

MsHLye Apr 2 @ 10:20 AM EDT

@iteachphysics I wish....every book I have ever looked at approved by our ministry did not appear to have any rich tasts #iteachphysics :(

nuclear94 Apr 2 @ 10:20 AM EDT

Harrison's Electronic Structure, McQuarrie Quantum Chemistry, Schroeder Thermal Physics, Landau Survey Computational Physics #iteachphysics

LCTTA Apr 2 @ 10:20 AM EDT

A2) If there are problems with vectors, work and energy then I toss the book. #iteachphysics

nuclear94 Apr 2 @ 10:21 AM EDT

Of those Schroeder thermal physics is the best. It was like a novel that I couldn't put down. What's next entropy. #iteachphysics

MissStrunk Apr 2 @ 10:21 AM EDT

popping in late again Amber from AZ teach HS Physics from Fresh to Sr #iteachphysics

iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:23 AM EDT

Texts today need not be just a book, but collection of multimedia didactics. Any books on the cutting edge of multimedia? #iteachphysics

BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:23 AM EDT

Texts today need not be just a book, but collection of multimedia didactics. Any books on the cutting edge of multimedia? #iteachphysics

MissStrunk Apr 2 @ 10:23 AM EDT

A1) YES! Also it has computational problems & flows so beautifully #iteachphysics https://t.co/Lp7wQvcV7g

LCTTA Apr 2 @ 10:09 AM EDT

A1) Matter & Interactions (Chabay and Sherwood) because it begins by acknowledging that the 20th century happened. #iteachphysics

MsHLye Apr 2 @ 10:24 AM EDT

I don't think I would rec. my dept. buy a new book again until this happens #iteachphysics https://t.co/bpz5irPjs4

iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:23 AM EDT

Texts today need not be just a book, but collection of multimedia didactics. Any books on the cutting edge of multimedia? #iteachphysics

BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:25 AM EDT

+@LCTTA Notation is key. I think its a huge problem in advanced texts. Authors try to be elegant instead of expository #iteachphysics

iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:25 AM EDT

+@LCTTA Notation is key. I think its a huge problem in advanced texts. Authors try to be elegant instead of expository #iteachphysics

nuclear94 Apr 2 @ 10:26 AM EDT

#iteachphysics I'm reviewing an impressive multimedia book on kinetics right now. Can't give more detail but very nice @BlackPhysicists

LCTTA Apr 2 @ 10:27 AM EDT

@iteachphysics I try to be as consistent with notation as colleagues in music are. No ambiguity. Precise. No exceptions.#iteachphysics

MissStrunk Apr 2 @ 10:27 AM EDT

A2) It has to treat modern physics as more than a side note in a few chapters at the end that no body gets to #iteachphysics

nuclear94 Apr 2 @ 10:27 AM EDT

Everything backed up with video from molecular dynamics calculations @BlackPhysicists #iteachphysics

MissStrunk Apr 2 @ 10:28 AM EDT

A2) Ideally I would like to see coding make an appearance in the problems #iteachphysics

BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:28 AM EDT

It would be great to have a txtbk that w/ continuously updated website connecting published papers to something in the book #iteachphysics

iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:28 AM EDT

It would be great to have a txtbk that w/ continuously updated website connecting published papers to something in the book #iteachphysics

LCTTA Apr 2 @ 10:29 AM EDT

@BlackPhysicists M&I offers just that. https://t.co/MvhPaPcxoj #iteachphysics

MissStrunk Apr 2 @ 10:30 AM EDT

@MsHLye @iteachphysics Is your grade 11 calc based? #iteachphysics

MissStrunk Apr 2 @ 10:30 AM EDT

@nuclear94 I need a thermal book like that every other one was a book I couldn't bring myself to pickup #iteachphysics

shirky17 Apr 2 @ 10:30 AM EDT

#iteachphysics i dont use textbooks, kids dont read them, current format is not what the user wants

MsHLye Apr 2 @ 10:31 AM EDT

@MissStrunk @iteachphysics nope. They dont learn any calc in ON until 2nd semester Gr 12, but I often elude its existence #iteachphysics

BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:31 AM EDT

Along with that concept would be an online learning community + access to journals like AJP, @EducatePhysics, Phys Rev et al #iteachphysics

iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:31 AM EDT

Along with that concept would be an online learning community + access to journals like AJP, @EducatePhysics, Phys Rev et al #iteachphysics

shirky17 Apr 2 @ 10:31 AM EDT

#iteachphysics too many chapters & topics than you could ever learn in a year, not enough stories tieing things & the times together

MissStrunk Apr 2 @ 10:33 AM EDT

@shirky17 I typically agree but shifted my thoughts after trying Matter and Interactions #iteachphysics

BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:34 AM EDT

Most of the best txtbks people are mention have no lab supplement whatsoever. Is that a critical pedagogical mistake? #iteachphysics

iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:34 AM EDT

Most of the best txtbks people are mention have no lab supplement whatsoever. Is that a critical pedagogical mistake? #iteachphysics

nuclear94 Apr 2 @ 10:34 AM EDT

@shirky17 I have gone back and forth on textbooks but starting next year, I will always require them #iteachphysics

LCTTA Apr 2 @ 10:35 AM EDT

@iteachphysics No, because tradition labs have been shown to be ineffective. See the work of @ng_Holmes and colleagues. #iteachphysics

MissStrunk Apr 2 @ 10:35 AM EDT

@MsHLye @iteachphysics I ask because Matter and Interactions is a calc based book I use and love #iteachphysics

nuclear94 Apr 2 @ 10:35 AM EDT

@shirky17 at some point students have to learn on their own by reading. The earlier that occurs the better. #iteachphysics

MissStrunk Apr 2 @ 10:36 AM EDT

@MsHLye @iteachphysics Though I dont use it in my Algebra based class for my kids I use if for myself to shift the curriculum #iteachphysics

iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:36 AM EDT

What are the best supplements to textbooks? Have you checked out @TemanCooke's book? #iteachphysics

BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:36 AM EDT

What are the best supplements to textbooks? Have you checked out @TemanCooke's book? #iteachphysics

shirky17 Apr 2 @ 10:36 AM EDT

#iteachphysics @BlackPhysicists what type of lab supplement would you like...i created my own "labs" with Ss building their experiments

MsHLye Apr 2 @ 10:37 AM EDT

@MissStrunk @iteachphysics calc does not appear in HS physics here #iteachphysics

MissStrunk Apr 2 @ 10:37 AM EDT

@shirky17 @MsHLye @iteachphysics I teach AP Phys C which is calc based they have to do integrals and derivatives #iteachphysics

nuclear94 Apr 2 @ 10:37 AM EDT

Lab is an interesting problem. It tends to receive the short end of the stick in advanced physics courses #iteachphysics @BlackPhysicists

nuclear94 Apr 2 @ 10:39 AM EDT

I try to include demos in my upper level courses that don't have a lab associated with them @BlackPhysicists #iteachphysics

satyendra_pd Apr 2 @ 10:39 AM EDT

Don't teach physics, its usually horrible, just do physics with pupil,.. The way #iteachphysics

MissStrunk Apr 2 @ 10:39 AM EDT

Yes it helps to have a connection between the text and labs For HS Ts can be hard to come up w/ labs #iteachphysics https://t.co/j6OTyCTTzX

BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:34 AM EDT

Most of the best txtbks people are mention have no lab supplement whatsoever. Is that a critical pedagogical mistake? #iteachphysics

LCTTA Apr 2 @ 10:39 AM EDT

@BlackPhysicists I don’t really know what the best supplements are. I think that might vary with the instructor. #iteachphysics

iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:41 AM EDT

Anyone referred Ss to The Theoretical Minimum: What You Need to Know to Start Doing Physics https://t.co/Rwcr2jGqNl #iteachphysics

shirky17 Apr 2 @ 10:41 AM EDT

#iteachphysics "doing" science takes a lot more time that "reading" science, often have to "redo"....i prefer Ss do science

BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:41 AM EDT

Anyone referred Ss to The Theoretical Minimum: What You Need to Know to Start Doing Physics https://t.co/6lIOT48YJP #iteachphysics

MissStrunk Apr 2 @ 10:41 AM EDT

@LCTTA @iteachphysics then non traditional labs should be included & even more importatn as many Ts don't know any #iteachphysics

LCTTA Apr 2 @ 10:41 AM EDT

@iteachphysics YES! I recommend it to my calc-based students. #iteachphysics

MissStrunk Apr 2 @ 10:42 AM EDT

@nuclear94 @shirky17 I dropped textbooks completely for awhile & realized I was hurting Ss by not teaching them to use them #iteachphysics

LCTTA Apr 2 @ 10:42 AM EDT

@MissStrunk @iteachphysics I agree. #iteachphysics

MissStrunk Apr 2 @ 10:43 AM EDT

@shirky17 @BlackPhysicists I think many teachers don't know how to do that #iteachphysics

LCTTA Apr 2 @ 10:43 AM EDT

@MissStrunk @nuclear94 @shirky17 I don’t use an astronomy text anymore. They’re all alike. I use my own materials. #iteachphysics

MissStrunk Apr 2 @ 10:43 AM EDT

@shirky17 @BlackPhysicists I do a lot of Ss led designs but many I talk to need some encouragement #iteachphysics

shirky17 Apr 2 @ 10:43 AM EDT

#iteachphysics txtbks are only used in school....there are no txtbks in life/job...yet there is reading involved in life/job (format diff?)

MissStrunk Apr 2 @ 10:44 AM EDT

@MsHLye @iteachphysics it doesn't in most US class either but we have 1 calc based class at my school #iteachphysics

shirky17 Apr 2 @ 10:44 AM EDT

#iteachphysics @MissStrunk @BlackPhysicists which is a MASSIVE problem

satyendra_pd Apr 2 @ 10:44 AM EDT

If don't have lab, do with geometry, do with pupils... #iteachphysics

iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:45 AM EDT

Gen physics txtbks give short schrift to dimensional analysis, and that, IMHO, really hurts students #iteachphysics

BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:45 AM EDT

Gen physics txtbks give short schrift to dimensional analysis, and that, IMHO, really hurts students #iteachphysics

LCTTA Apr 2 @ 10:45 AM EDT

@MissStrunk @nuclear94 @shirky17 Honestly, I think Wikipedia would make a good baseline resource for many classes. #iteachphysics

MissStrunk Apr 2 @ 10:45 AM EDT

@MsHLye @iteachphysics I would still recommend M&I just for yourself it changed how I teach ALL of my classes #iteachphysics

LCTTA Apr 2 @ 10:46 AM EDT

@iteachphysics Agreed. Many problems can be solved by dimensional analysis alone. #iteachphysics

shirky17 Apr 2 @ 10:46 AM EDT

#iteachphysics the textbook is NOT the curriculum

nuclear94 Apr 2 @ 10:46 AM EDT

Why exactly do physics texts skip dimensional analysis? This has never made sense to me. @BlackPhysicists #iteachphysics

MissStrunk Apr 2 @ 10:47 AM EDT

@shirky17 Agreed but I found that the combination of doing, discussing, reading, listening, watching gets to all students #iteachphysics

shirky17 Apr 2 @ 10:48 AM EDT

#iteachphysics how many of you use Mythbusters videos in class?

nuclear94 Apr 2 @ 10:48 AM EDT

Still causes me great grief. Had students making upper division mistakes combining eV Angstroms Joules. @BlackPhysicists #iteachphysics

BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:48 AM EDT

We've talked abt teaching critical thinking. @LCTTA is developing a didactic to teach critical thinking via astronomy. #iteachphysics

iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:48 AM EDT

We've talked abt teaching critical thinking. @LCTTA is developing a didactic to teach critical thinking via astronomy. #iteachphysics

MsHLye Apr 2 @ 10:49 AM EDT

Used in Gr 9 Sci class to analyze scientific method, but have not used any for physics #iteachphysics https://t.co/we8LVwiT5G

shirky17 Apr 2 @ 10:48 AM EDT

#iteachphysics how many of you use Mythbusters videos in class?

shirky17 Apr 2 @ 10:49 AM EDT

@MissStrunk #iteachphysics yes need a multi faceted approach

MissStrunk Apr 2 @ 10:49 AM EDT

@shirky17 @BlackPhysicists Agreed we need to train our Ts better and give PD to help them move towards that #iteachphysics

MissStrunk Apr 2 @ 10:50 AM EDT

@shirky17 @BlackPhysicists part of the problem so many none Phys people teaching Physics all they know is to follow the book #iteachphysics

BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:50 AM EDT

How could a physics textbook support PBL, #citizenscience, open-ended problem, research lit fam, etc? #iteachphysics

iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:50 AM EDT

How could a physics textbook support PBL, #citizenscience, open-ended problem, research lit fam, etc? #iteachphysics

LCTTA Apr 2 @ 10:50 AM EDT

I begin with the assumption that students should see how to use a textbook effectively. #iteachphysics

MissStrunk Apr 2 @ 10:50 AM EDT

@shirky17 @BlackPhysicists As that is a problem likely to continue I would like to see books facilitate better labs #iteachphysics

shirky17 Apr 2 @ 10:51 AM EDT

#iteachphysics @nuclear94 @BlackPhysicists dimensional analysis is important, but not fool proof---- ie. volts = amps x ohms

LCTTA Apr 2 @ 10:51 AM EDT

I use the framework here https://t.co/dAjqBryJlZ with its elements of thought and intellectual standards as a starting point. #iteachphysics

iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:51 AM EDT

Do any of the textbook publishers offer PD for teachers? #iteachphysics

BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:51 AM EDT

Do any of the textbook publishers offer PD for teachers? #iteachphysics

MsHLye Apr 2 @ 10:51 AM EDT

@iteachphysics I need the ideas for open-ended problems, etc. Love using these things but rarely come up with them on my own #iteachphysics

MissStrunk Apr 2 @ 10:51 AM EDT

@starfishys @LCTTA @nuclear94 @shirky17 @ItsAboutTimeEDU I have not seen these books will have to look into them #iteachphysics

LCTTA Apr 2 @ 10:51 AM EDT

The textbook doesn’t necessarily have to hit every element but I would argue that it should help the student do so. #iteachphysics

shirky17 Apr 2 @ 10:52 AM EDT

#iteachphysics i cringe when i hear some ppl say "X is certified to teach physics" @MissStrunk @BlackPhysicists

MissStrunk Apr 2 @ 10:52 AM EDT

@MsHLye @iteachphysics Yes I do not have time to come up w/ these all on my own #iteachphysics

MissStrunk Apr 2 @ 10:52 AM EDT

@BlackPhysicists Not that I am aware of #iteachphysics

iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:53 AM EDT

+@MsHLye This #iteachphysics community would be glad to help I'm sure.

LCTTA Apr 2 @ 10:54 AM EDT

Break text into chapters,sections,paragraphs,sentences; use elements and intellectual standards to understand the material. #iteachphysics

MissStrunk Apr 2 @ 10:54 AM EDT

Students frustrated when I force them to use DA but so so so important #iteachphysics https://t.co/ufBbQ98at5

BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:45 AM EDT

Gen physics txtbks give short schrift to dimensional analysis, and that, IMHO, really hurts students #iteachphysics

MissStrunk Apr 2 @ 10:55 AM EDT

@shirky17 Only every once in awhile #iteachphysics

shirky17 Apr 2 @ 10:55 AM EDT

#iteachphysics how many Phys T's would you say have a "makers mindset"...dont most scientists need to "make" things for experiments

LCTTA Apr 2 @ 10:55 AM EDT

My Ss tell me they don’t usually read for depth, just quick shortcuts. That’s the wrong approach and this helps fix that. #iteachphysics

MissStrunk Apr 2 @ 10:55 AM EDT

@shirky17 I do like some @veritasium videos for certain topics really helps get at misconceptions at least his older ones #iteachphysics

LCTTA Apr 2 @ 10:56 AM EDT

@starfishys @MissStrunk @nuclear94 @shirky17 @ItsAboutTimeEDU Not familiar with them but will investigate. #iteachphysics

BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:56 AM EDT

Q: Do the 'business rules' of txbk publishing get in the way of the science & art of sound pedagogy? #iteachphysics

iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:56 AM EDT

Q: Do the 'business rules' of txbk publishing get in the way of the science & art of sound pedagogy? #iteachphysics

MissStrunk Apr 2 @ 10:57 AM EDT

We have to do a better job of teaching critical thinking and social justice both could easily be included in a textbook #iteachphysics

shirky17 Apr 2 @ 10:57 AM EDT

@MissStrunk yes the older ones #iteachphysics

MissStrunk Apr 2 @ 10:58 AM EDT

@shirky17 @BlackPhysicists unfortunately problem with many many teachers and no support for them #iteachphysics

BlackPhysicists - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:58 AM EDT

If so, how do we change that? How can @AAPTHQ @NSTA, @iteachphysics better guide publishers to offer better didactics #iteachphysics

iteachphysics - Moderator Apr 2 @ 10:58 AM EDT

If so, how do we change that? How can @AAPTHQ @NSTA, @iteachphysics better guide publishers to offer better didactics #iteachphysics

shirky17 Apr 2 @ 10:58 AM EDT

#iteachphysics yes , txtbks by themselves in their current format are not sound pedagogy @BlackPhysicists

MissStrunk Apr 2 @ 10:58 AM EDT

@shirky17 @BlackPhysicists with support they could make great phys teachers but we just leave them to die on the vine #iteachphysics

LCTTA Apr 2 @ 10:58 AM EDT

@iteachphysics A) YES! Publishing truly innovative textbooks is risky. Ask Chabay and Sherwood! #iteachphysics

MissStrunk Apr 2 @ 10:59 AM EDT

Maker mindset and creativity so important we incorporate it into all our Phys classes #iteachphysics https://t.co/dRiPaMgv9J

shirky17 Apr 2 @ 10:55 AM EDT

#iteachphysics how many Phys T's would you say have a "makers mindset"...dont most scientists need to "make" things for experiments