#TeachWriting Archive

TeachWriting2 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:00 PM EST

Welcome to #TeachWriting, the bi-weekly chat about the teaching of writing! Our moderator tonight is @skeeTX - take it away, Rob!

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bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:00 PM EST

Sorry to kind of go off there, but it's a cool topic. #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:00 PM EST

Hard to separate him from the Adam Sandler movie now, at least for me. #teachwriting

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skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:01 PM EST

Happy Holidays, everyone! Please introduce yourself. I'm Rob, 8th grade Eng T at an independent school in Dallas #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:01 PM EST

Hello, #teachwriting! I'm Katie, and I teach 7th grade ELA in St. Louis!

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:01 PM EST

Tonight we'll be discussing the 5 paragraph essay and its place in our classrooms #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:02 PM EST

Welcome, Katie! Glad to see you here! #teachwriting

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bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:02 PM EST

Ben, 7th grade science and social studies teacher, Chicago area, and philosopher of parking . . . #teachwriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:03 PM EST

Standard Q & A format tonight. This topic is intriguing to me as I struggle with the rigid structure but know there is value #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:03 PM EST

Lisa, 4/5th grade Special Educator, from RI! Hello to all of our writing friends! #teachwriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:03 PM EST

hi, Katie! #teachwriting

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ELKissner Dec 20 @ 9:03 PM EST

Hello #TeachWriting! I teach 6th grade in an elementary school in PA.

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:04 PM EST

I taught college composition for three years as a TA and four years as an adjunct instructor. . . #teachwriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:04 PM EST

Howdie, Lisa! That's the extent of my Texan lingo! #teachwriting

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bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:04 PM EST

Sometimes I was encouraged to explicitly teach this structure, but most often I was encouraged to teach several others. . . #teachwriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:04 PM EST

welcome, Emily! Glad you're here! #teachwriting

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bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:04 PM EST

Welcome, Emily! #teachwriting

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anthonylodato Dec 20 @ 9:05 PM EST

Hi Rob, I'm a HS English Teacher from NJ, mostly grade level seniors. Great topic to discuss #teachwriting

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skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:05 PM EST

Then you should have plenty to add tonight!!! #teachwriting

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mhamiltonedu Dec 20 @ 9:05 PM EST

hey #teachwriting! I teach 9/10 ELA in MI. Super interested in tonight's chat, but will be in and out with responses.

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:05 PM EST

Welcome, Anthony! #teachwriting

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bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:05 PM EST

Welcome! #teachwriting

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RewardingEdu Dec 20 @ 9:05 PM EST

Robert here from Los Angeles. 8th grade ELA #TeachWriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:05 PM EST

welcome! I'm originally from Trenton! Peddie School alum. #teachwriting

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lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:06 PM EST

Fahhhggeettta about it! That's the extent of my Rhode Islander! #teachwriting

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bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:06 PM EST

Welcome! #teachwriting

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KellyTumy Dec 20 @ 9:06 PM EST

Kelly from Texas sliding in late from Christmas baking. #teachwriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:06 PM EST

Question 1 coming up shortly #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:06 PM EST

Hey Kelly! Welcome! Glad you could be here - this is a great topic for you! #teachwriting

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skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:06 PM EST

welcome!!! #teachwriting

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bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:07 PM EST

(And I hope you baked enough for all of us. . . ) #teachwriting

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nmclaren Dec 20 @ 9:07 PM EST

Nicole checking in from Brockton. #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:07 PM EST

Welcome, Nicole! #teachwriting

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lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:07 PM EST

East Coast! #teachwriting

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KellyTumy Dec 20 @ 9:07 PM EST

Does 5 pounds of Christmas candy count, oops make that 10 pounds. #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:07 PM EST

(And I hope you baked enough for all of us. . . ) #teachwriting
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skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:07 PM EST

I'm glad everyone is here despite this being such a busy time of year! #teachwriting

SuperTeacherCT Dec 20 @ 9:08 PM EST

I'm Will - a 6th grade LA teacher taking literacy instructor classes. #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:08 PM EST

Welcome, Will! #teachwriting

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brianrozinsky Dec 20 @ 9:08 PM EST

¶1 Hi #teachwriting. ¶2 I'm Brian. ¶3 I teach MS Ss English. ¶4 I do this in CO. ¶5 I'm looking forward to tonight's topic.

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:08 PM EST

Welcome!!!! #teachwriting

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lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:08 PM EST

#TeachWriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:08 PM EST

That might be enough. . . #teachwriting

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KellyTumy Dec 20 @ 9:08 PM EST

.@bkuhl2you looking forward to breaking the tyranny of the five paragraph essay. #TeachWriting

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lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:08 PM EST

LOVE IT! #teachwriting

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skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:09 PM EST

Q1: Is the traditional 5 paragraph essay (5PE) still necessary/relevant? #teachwriting

LisaDegnan1 Dec 20 @ 9:09 PM EST

Lisa Degnan Writing Teacher, Coach & Facilitator from TX y'all #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:10 PM EST

Yay! Welcome! #teachwriting

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MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:10 PM EST

A1: I think there are more meaningful ways to teach structure that focus on good writing, not a constricting formula. #teachwriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:10 PM EST

Welcome, Lisa! #teachwriting

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lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:10 PM EST

SO glad one of my homegirls is here! Welcome! #TeachWriting

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bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:11 PM EST

We could use some guest moderators for the spring - sign up if you're interested! https://t.co/yVLVzBaYqX #teachwriting

nmclaren Dec 20 @ 9:11 PM EST

A1: thinking abt this a lot lately. Writing instruction can't end w/just 5 paragraphs. #teachwriting

KellyTumy Dec 20 @ 9:11 PM EST

That's priceless! #teachwriting

brianrozinsky Dec 20 @ 9:08 PM EST

¶1 Hi #teachwriting. ¶2 I'm Brian. ¶3 I teach MS Ss English. ¶4 I do this in CO. ¶5 I'm looking forward to tonight's topic.

LisaDegnan1 Dec 20 @ 9:12 PM EST

A1 I guess that depends on your purpose - DBQ & AP Classes might argue yes. #teachwriting Personally I think we can do better.

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skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:12 PM EST

Care to share a specific example? #teachwriting

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bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:12 PM EST

A1 - Yes, but it sometimes feels like CD's or audio tapes - old tech that is going away. Some people use it, a lot don't. #teachwriting

SuperTeacherCT Dec 20 @ 9:12 PM EST

A1: For some students, having that structure is comforting. For other's it strangles. #teachwriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:12 PM EST

Should there even be a length requirement? #teachwriting

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RewardingEdu Dec 20 @ 9:12 PM EST

A1 While the 5P essay exists nowhere in the real world, it is a useful scaffold for developing writers. #TeachWriting

KellyTumy Dec 20 @ 9:12 PM EST

A1: I think on one hand it's necessary to show structure, but breaking the structure and making it your own is key to growth. #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:12 PM EST

A1 Formula has a place & time. It is sad to see writing deconstructed down to 5 often BORING paragraphs w/ no authentic voice. #TeachWriting

MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:12 PM EST

I think mentor texts are key. 1000 different writers, 1000 different approaches. Empower Ss to find one for them #teachwriting

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ELKissner Dec 20 @ 9:13 PM EST

A1: (really a Q) Are we talking introduction, body, conclusion structure, or strict adherence to 5 paragraphs? #TeachWriting

SuperTeacherCT Dec 20 @ 9:13 PM EST

A1: For some students, having that structure is comforting. For others it strangles. #teachwriting

nmclaren Dec 20 @ 9:13 PM EST

A1: 5 paragraph essay can be a constricting form that limits creative thought. #teachwriting

mrjurateach Dec 20 @ 9:13 PM EST

A1: I think of it in terms of a multi-paragraph essay -- not necessarily 5PE. For many of my students, 5PE structure helps. #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:13 PM EST

A1 - It helps kids who struggle with understanding the deeper, more abstract structure of a short piece of writing. #teachwriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:13 PM EST

@SuperTeacherCT How do you navigate those differences? #teachwriting

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brianrozinsky Dec 20 @ 9:13 PM EST

A1 Relevant for Ss who crave a recipe? Trouble is when they (or Ts) cling to that recipe as *only* way to do writing business. #teachwriting

anthonylodato Dec 20 @ 9:13 PM EST

5PE still teaches skills of argumentation but format is arbitrary & outdated. Always will need thesis, evidence, analysis #teachwriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:09 PM EST

Q1: Is the traditional 5 paragraph essay (5PE) still necessary/relevant? #teachwriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:13 PM EST

Can you explain why? #teachwriting

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bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:13 PM EST

A1 - It might make sense for my middle school students (many of whom are ELL's) to use the 5PE, but it's a crutch. #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:13 PM EST

A1 And PLEASE let's not make Writing Workshop a penmanship class where we copy then recopy the graphic organizer...WHY??? #TeachWriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:14 PM EST

Yup! Snoozer for me most of the time! #teachwriting

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LisaDegnan1 Dec 20 @ 9:14 PM EST

A1 Have to say that organizing structure saved me in college. #Itworked #teachwriting #teachwriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:14 PM EST

amen! #teachwriting

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KellyTumy Dec 20 @ 9:14 PM EST

A1: & the lack of growth in that 5P is what keeps kids from a higher AP score, or college acceptance-see past the structure #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:14 PM EST

A1: I think we've all seen the hamburger paragraph--it's comforting & easy, but does it grow writers? #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:14 PM EST

A1 - I think trying to hammer student thinking into a cookie-cutter shape makes that thinking feel forced, fake, and pointless #teachwriting

RewardingEdu Dec 20 @ 9:14 PM EST

I agree that formulas aren't ultimately helpful, but I do like providing foundations, structures, & strategies to Ss in need. #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:10 PM EST

A1: I think there are more meaningful ways to teach structure that focus on good writing, not a constricting formula. #teachwriting

nmclaren Dec 20 @ 9:14 PM EST

Ss like limits, but we've got to show them multiple ways to express thoughts. So no. #teachwriting

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KellyTumy Dec 20 @ 9:15 PM EST

I think that is key. Seeing the fluidity in how to use it. #TeachWriting

SuperTeacherCT Dec 20 @ 9:13 PM EST

A1: For some students, having that structure is comforting. For others it strangles. #teachwriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:15 PM EST

Ah, Bartleby, Ah humanity! #teachwriting

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lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:15 PM EST

Imagine? Studying the CRAFT? Developing voice! #teachwriting

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skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:15 PM EST

but have times changed? #teachwriting

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bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:15 PM EST

A1 - That's where it gets ugly, IMO. My senior year of HS, we outlined topics and wrote 5PE's from outlines every Friday. #teachwriting

nmclaren Dec 20 @ 9:15 PM EST

A1: It's not a bad foundation, but at some point Ss should find their voice. #teachwriting

KellyTumy Dec 20 @ 9:12 PM EST

A1: I think on one hand it's necessary to show structure, but breaking the structure and making it your own is key to growth. #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:15 PM EST

I agree. I think the key factor there is that you've pluralized. StrategieS, not strategy. #teachwriting

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KellyTumy Dec 20 @ 9:16 PM EST

Can't Distractor... #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:16 PM EST

I agree with that. The format is outdated and often restrictive. #teachwriting

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mhamiltonedu Dec 20 @ 9:16 PM EST

A1: like so many other exercises, the pattern can help in the beginning but must be abandoned for innovation #teachwriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:16 PM EST

Great start, all!!! Q2 is nearly here! #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:16 PM EST

A1 - Written like that, our essays didn't feel like thinking and expression, but more like packaging. #teachwriting

LisaDegnan1 Dec 20 @ 9:16 PM EST

#teachwriting DBQ used in AP CLasses. We have lots of merit scholars #NotSayingI'mAFan

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RewardingEdu Dec 20 @ 9:16 PM EST

Ss need a framework on which to hang their ideas. Most need a way in & a way out of essays until they can manage on their own. #teachwriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:13 PM EST

Can you explain why? #teachwriting
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lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:16 PM EST

Who wants to read the same writing paper after paper. If you think of your favorite writer it isn't about the formula. #teachwriting

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anthonylodato Dec 20 @ 9:17 PM EST

so true . I always hate when students ask for the "right way". Some Ss trust only in formula, not themselves #teachwriting

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MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:17 PM EST

A1: We can look at the 5 paragraph and glean pieces of it that make up good writing. But it's not about the # of paragraphs #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:17 PM EST

The 5 paragraph format goes way back! #Teachwriting https://t.co/75KnRfBuKs

nmclaren Dec 20 @ 9:17 PM EST

Which kids - how old? @bkuhl2you HS Ss still using it. I think that's too long. #teachwriting

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bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:13 PM EST

A1 - It helps kids who struggle with understanding the deeper, more abstract structure of a short piece of writing. #teachwriting

mhamiltonedu Dec 20 @ 9:17 PM EST

woah, senior year is way too late. I'd like to think 9th and 10th graders can move beyond 5PE. #teachwriting

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skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:17 PM EST

love that description #teachwriting

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lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:17 PM EST

Problematic #teachwriting

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LisaDegnan1 Dec 20 @ 9:17 PM EST

#teachwriting I think I have changed. I much prefer writing that encourages creativity.

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bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:18 PM EST

Amen to that. #teachwriting

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KellyTumy Dec 20 @ 9:18 PM EST

Understand! Totally. In APENGLANG it's not a winner...most QL's say it hinders kids every year. They get stuck. #teachwriting

LisaDegnan1 Dec 20 @ 9:16 PM EST

#teachwriting DBQ used in AP CLasses. We have lots of merit scholars #NotSayingI'mAFan
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bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:18 PM EST

7th grade, 12-13 yo. Kids who might not know what an essay is, or have very little experience with it. #teachwriting

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skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:18 PM EST

Q2: What are the pros/cons for continuing to teach the 5 paragraph essay? #teachwriting

LittyMathai Dec 20 @ 9:19 PM EST

Joining in from Mason, Ohio. 5th grade. #teachwriting

anthonylodato Dec 20 @ 9:19 PM EST

I teach in a Humanities research class w/many products & choice; results are higher levels of thought than 5pe #teachwriting

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brianrozinsky Dec 20 @ 9:19 PM EST

I see this. I also see learners who need stepping stones in order to get moving. Tricky balances to strike. #teachwriting

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nmclaren Dec 20 @ 9:19 PM EST

So true @KellyTumy!! And Ss can write amazing stuff if we guide them. #teachwriting

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KellyTumy Dec 20 @ 9:14 PM EST

A1: & the lack of growth in that 5P is what keeps kids from a higher AP score, or college acceptance-see past the structure #teachwriting

SuperTeacherCT Dec 20 @ 9:19 PM EST

A2: I'd say a con is that there is no equivalent in what they might read in a magazine or on a website. #teachwriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:19 PM EST

Welcome! #teachwriting

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lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:19 PM EST

A must read! Reviving the Essay: How to Teach Structure Without Formula https://t.co/Q0N6mdmcCP #TeachWriting

LisaDegnan1 Dec 20 @ 9:19 PM EST

Therein lies the problem. The essays sound the same unless someone breaks out and actually chooses voice. #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:16 PM EST

Who wants to read the same writing paper after paper. If you think of your favorite writer it isn't about the formula. #teachwriting
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RewardingEdu Dec 20 @ 9:20 PM EST

The catch is it takes YEARS to develop a personal writing style. We need to make room for insight & originality w/in frames. #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:16 PM EST

Who wants to read the same writing paper after paper. If you think of your favorite writer it isn't about the formula. #teachwriting
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MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:20 PM EST

A2: Pro: Familiar structure. Accessible. Cons: Limits. Doesn't grow writers. Gives Ss a prescriptive look at writing. #teachwriting

anthonylodato Dec 20 @ 9:20 PM EST

absolutely. Need to scaffold Ss so they can grow in skill and then confidence #teachwriting

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KellyTumy Dec 20 @ 9:20 PM EST

A2: Against any structure that hinders Ss, but am for structure that helps them find a voice-key is moving to a voice. #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:20 PM EST

Wow - that was an excellent tweet. Just need to take a moment and marvel at how pithy that was. Bravo! #teachwriting

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lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:21 PM EST

A2 I agree with Katie here. A formula can start a writer. It doesn't grow writers OR sustain them. #TeachWriting

MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:20 PM EST

A2: Pro: Familiar structure. Accessible. Cons: Limits. Doesn't grow writers. Gives Ss a prescriptive look at writing. #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:22 PM EST

True. There's a balance to be had. Takes time, but frames need to be given in the context of real writing #teachwriting

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nmclaren Dec 20 @ 9:22 PM EST

@bkuhl2you yikes! Formula of 5PE is easy to teach and assess. #teachwriting

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bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:15 PM EST

A1 - That's where it gets ugly, IMO. My senior year of HS, we outlined topics and wrote 5PE's from outlines every Friday. #teachwriting

RewardingEdu Dec 20 @ 9:22 PM EST

A2 I tell my Ss that examples & evidence on a class topic are finite & repetive, so distinguish yourself with commentary! #TeachWriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:22 PM EST

A2 - So maybe we see it as a scaffold. A very rigid, unpleasant, hurts-your-toes-and-gives-you-blisters kind of scaffold. #teachwriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:22 PM EST

A2: con: it's what we've always done, too rigid; pro: some beneficial elements: thesis, hook, support #teachwriting

LittyMathai Dec 20 @ 9:22 PM EST

A2: We are teaching multiparagraph essay vs. 5 paragraph in 5th grade. #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:22 PM EST

True. Yet, If I was faced with YEARS of only writing 5 paragraph essays I would never want to write again. #teachwriting

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Englishgeek305 Dec 20 @ 9:22 PM EST

A1: Too many follow the recipe at the cost of Ss losing voice. Implement more creative options & joy of writing returns. #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:22 PM EST

A2 - HUGE con - they're boring. Kids don't like writing them, we don't like reading them. They feel like tax returns. #teachwriting

KellyTumy Dec 20 @ 9:23 PM EST

Let's try this again, candy distractor. #teachwriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:23 PM EST

But is it worth it? #teachwriting

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MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:23 PM EST

Oh, Twitter has helped with my pithiness! #teachwriting

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brianrozinsky Dec 20 @ 9:23 PM EST

A2 I like cooking analogy. Recipes, even basic 1s like 5PE, have place. They get stale too w/repetition. Branch out/complicate #teachwriting

LittyMathai Dec 20 @ 9:23 PM EST

A2: PEEL acronym-- Purpose, evidence, explain, Link back. Can add more explain or evidence as needed. #teachwriting

_briank_ Dec 20 @ 9:23 PM EST

5P essay is a relic of (misguided) decisions made benefitting Ts as judges of writing and not as mentors of writers #teachwriting

LisaDegnan1 Dec 20 @ 9:23 PM EST

A2 Pros - Ss get the formula and begin to see themselves as writers. Cons- Wriitng sounds similar to everyone else #teachwriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:23 PM EST

And turbo tax can't write essays! #teachwriting

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bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:23 PM EST

That's hilariously delicious-looking. (Or deliciously hilarious?) #teachwriting

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KellyTumy Dec 20 @ 9:24 PM EST

Couldn't agree more! I forget about the boring part of it. #TeachWriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:22 PM EST

A2 - HUGE con - they're boring. Kids don't like writing them, we don't like reading them. They feel like tax returns. #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:24 PM EST

Boom! Preach! #teachwriting

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RewardingEdu Dec 20 @ 9:24 PM EST

Suggestions, please! I am always open to ideas. #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:22 PM EST

True. There's a balance to be had. Takes time, but frames need to be given in the context of real writing #teachwriting
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MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:24 PM EST

True. 5 paragraph essays are easier to quantify and rank. Brings to light issue of grading writing in general. #teachwriting

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mrjurateach Dec 20 @ 9:24 PM EST

A2: Pros - Gd frmat for struggling writers, gd for a basic essay template. Cons - Can restrict creativity -- make writing dry. #teachwriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:25 PM EST

We are on a roll! Question 3 about to arrive! #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:25 PM EST

Mentor texts are how I approach. Look at their structure, let Ss emulate. #teachwriting

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LisaDegnan1 Dec 20 @ 9:25 PM EST

A2 Give Ss a fighting chance. Sometimes just getting started is the hardest part. THEN move them forward w/feedback. #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:25 PM EST

I think that's why they're still around. If kids can grasp the structure of the 5PE, they meet standard #teachwriting

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lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:25 PM EST

And be the writer YOU are asking students to be. It isn't easy. Put yourself in their shoes! #teachwriting

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skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:26 PM EST

Don't know of any Ss or Ts who yearn for the 5 paragraph essay #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:26 PM EST

It's true. And our state assessments still privilege this format. #teachwriting

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LittyMathai Dec 20 @ 9:26 PM EST

A2: pro: universal understanding Con: zaps creativity if not #teachwriting

_briank_ Dec 20 @ 9:26 PM EST

5P=convenience for T. It forgets the writer. In what world do we open a collection of essays/articles honed in a narrow band? #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:26 PM EST

No yearnings there! #teachwriting

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KellyTumy Dec 20 @ 9:26 PM EST

Yay for feedback! Totally agree. Kids can't move past it without our help. #TeachWriting

LisaDegnan1 Dec 20 @ 9:25 PM EST

A2 Give Ss a fighting chance. Sometimes just getting started is the hardest part. THEN move them forward w/feedback. #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:26 PM EST

Agree that it's a useful scaffold. And I still use it. But I think that T's -including me - need to move kids on. #teachwriting

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nmclaren Dec 20 @ 9:27 PM EST

So why won't we Ts let the 5PE go? #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:22 PM EST

A2 - So maybe we see it as a scaffold. A very rigid, unpleasant, hurts-your-toes-and-gives-you-blisters kind of scaffold. #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:27 PM EST

#TeachWriting

MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:27 PM EST

If you don't write w them, can't know their struggles. Writers of all ages have similar issues #teachwriting

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skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:27 PM EST

Q3: How might we teach the important features of the 5 paragraph essay in a shorter length? #teachwriting

anthonylodato Dec 20 @ 9:27 PM EST

Pros: structure, argumentation, familiarity cons: formulaic, no creativity, little differentiation #teachwriting

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lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:28 PM EST

#TeachWriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:28 PM EST

@nmclaren I think some kids need it - especially younger writers who haven't written essays before. But it's also easy for us #teachwriting

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_briank_ Dec 20 @ 9:28 PM EST

No tested writing mirrors what writers do. Writers talk. Walk away. Research. Return. Revise. Read. Share. Collaborate... #teachwriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:28 PM EST

@bkuhl2you Exactly? Cue the music, Let it go, let it go!!! #teachwriting

In reply to @nmclaren, @bkuhl2you

KellyTumy Dec 20 @ 9:29 PM EST

A3: I like the idea of showing good paragraphs to students. Work with parts then transfer to the whole essay #teachwriting

ELKissner Dec 20 @ 9:29 PM EST

A2: When students have to write weekly assessment essays (like in my district), a formula sure helps kids produce. Good? Hmm.. #TeachWriting

RewardingEdu Dec 20 @ 9:29 PM EST

Yes, but I'm so tired of the repetitive, mostly unnecessary linking back. "This shows that..." kills me! #teachwriting

LittyMathai Dec 20 @ 9:23 PM EST

A2: PEEL acronym-- Purpose, evidence, explain, Link back. Can add more explain or evidence as needed. #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:29 PM EST

EXCELLENT POINT! #TeachWriting

_briank_ Dec 20 @ 9:28 PM EST

No tested writing mirrors what writers do. Writers talk. Walk away. Research. Return. Revise. Read. Share. Collaborate... #teachwriting

nmclaren Dec 20 @ 9:29 PM EST

@LisaDegnan1 - yes, can't forget Ss are reluctant to put pen to paper 📝- fear of failure or being wrong #teachwriting

LisaDegnan1 Dec 20 @ 9:25 PM EST

A2 Give Ss a fighting chance. Sometimes just getting started is the hardest part. THEN move them forward w/feedback. #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:29 PM EST

A3: Mentor texts in genre. What do op eds look like? Magazine articles? Glean structure advice, anchor chart, let Ss try #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:30 PM EST

A3 - A good paragraph is a start. A short speech - beginning, longer middle, and end - can also work. #teachwriting

KellyTumy Dec 20 @ 9:30 PM EST

Now that's funny. Some high school teachers in a nutshell. #TeachWriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:28 PM EST

#TeachWriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:30 PM EST

Isn't the 5PE from department of redundancy department???? #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:30 PM EST

A3 How about a collection of short writings or musings on the topic? Develop one idea, share, collaborate, reflect, think? #teachwriting

JessieOelke Dec 20 @ 9:30 PM EST

We tried at #isd2835. We do it strictly to see organization of thought. #teachwriting

In reply to @nmclaren

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:31 PM EST

I feel like I need to watch more youtbe videos - subgenres are multiplying there, could be useful reference. #teachwriting

In reply to @MsKraushaar

nmclaren Dec 20 @ 9:31 PM EST

Ahhh, the tests!!! We can't forget test writing. #teachwriting

_briank_ Dec 20 @ 9:28 PM EST

No tested writing mirrors what writers do. Writers talk. Walk away. Research. Return. Revise. Read. Share. Collaborate... #teachwriting

anthonylodato Dec 20 @ 9:31 PM EST

Any time I collect a 5pe usually comes out of lack of time or energy to create something substantive. They're easy to grade #teachwriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:31 PM EST

A3: Just learned about #booksnaps last night. Couldn't we have Ss write in similar way then piece together? #teachwriting

mrjurateach Dec 20 @ 9:31 PM EST

A3: I use the elements of an essay in extended response questions, focusing more on claim, evidence / commentary. #teachwriting

RewardingEdu Dec 20 @ 9:31 PM EST

Q3 The little secret is that great writing takes sometimes 10-20 scrupulous revisions. I labor over the blog posts I write. #TeachWriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:31 PM EST

A3 We get so caught up in teaching the structure that the writing doesn't say anything. No voice, no personal connection. #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:31 PM EST

You and me both! Hooray for #TLAP #teachwriting

In reply to @skeeTX

MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:32 PM EST

I kind of wonder if we could analyze YouTube videos as a piece of writing. How do famous YouTubers use structure? #teachwriting

In reply to @bkuhl2you

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:32 PM EST

Options https://t.co/MRQZL5aKsa #TeachWriting

nmclaren Dec 20 @ 9:32 PM EST

A3: model a little, write as a class - let Ss write a paragraph on their own. #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:32 PM EST

That's a great question - they're in awe of famous YouTubrs - they're the heroes of this generation, IMO. #teachwriting

In reply to @MsKraushaar

JessieOelke Dec 20 @ 9:32 PM EST

"How long does this have to be?" My answer: Long enough to make your point. #teachwriting

In reply to @LittyMathai

anthonylodato Dec 20 @ 9:32 PM EST

A3: My mentor used to break down essays and emphasize process and drafting so 5pe was written over whole unit. #teachwriting #slowandsteady

MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:33 PM EST

Exactly. I know it's not exactly the same, but could spark convo. Transmediation maybe? #teachwriting

In reply to @bkuhl2you

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:33 PM EST

Why not write a script for that? That is motivating. That has voice and purpose. #teachwriting

In reply to @bkuhl2you, @MsKraushaar

JessieOelke Dec 20 @ 9:33 PM EST

The commentary is what REALLY allows for student voice to come through. #teachwriting

In reply to @RewardingEdu

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:33 PM EST

Cool way to do it - but works with almost any genre just as well. Can also pair reading/writing a genre. #teachwriting

In reply to @anthonylodato

brianrozinsky Dec 20 @ 9:33 PM EST

"The best writing is rewriting." E.B. White gets credit for that one. #teachwriting

In reply to @RewardingEdu

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:33 PM EST

and, is it graded??? #teachwriting

In reply to @JessieOelke, @LittyMathai

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:34 PM EST

No Essay Left Behind! https://t.co/W3A8nBucqm #TeachWriting

MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:34 PM EST

Especially for writers who struggle. Turning the script into an essay is scaffolded #teachwriting

In reply to @lisahughes196, @bkuhl2you

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:34 PM EST

What if Ss were more convincing using audio? Could still make an argument. #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:34 PM EST

I had them write scripts for TV commercials a few weeks ago - modeling helped a lot. #TeachWriting

In reply to @lisahughes196, @MsKraushaar

anthonylodato Dec 20 @ 9:35 PM EST

I love multi genre research projects to do this, but some Ss struggled to understand purpose of assignment #teachwriting

In reply to @lisahughes196

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:35 PM EST

WHAT?! Using 21st century skills? #teachwriting

In reply to @skeeTX

MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:35 PM EST

My one worry is the nuances for scripts. Might require more teaching. Did you experience that? #teachwriting

In reply to @bkuhl2you

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:35 PM EST

Agree - my 12-13 yo need a little repetition, too. #teachwriting

In reply to @LittyMathai

JessieOelke Dec 20 @ 9:35 PM EST

For use when writing gets "stale" or "boring" Variety can still show learning. #teachwriting

In reply to @skeeTX

RewardingEdu Dec 20 @ 9:36 PM EST

Great point. Provide LOTS of strategies for the kids who need them. Nudge them when they're ready to branch out. #teachwriting

LittyMathai Dec 20 @ 9:34 PM EST

I hear ya, but 10 year olds really need that repetition... In high school, not so much.

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:36 PM EST

Oh yeah. It takes strong visualization skills to write an effective script. Many were lacking. #teachwriting

In reply to @MsKraushaar

KellyTumy Dec 20 @ 9:36 PM EST

Could. Not. Agree. More. When will we make that transition!? #teachwriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:34 PM EST

What if Ss were more convincing using audio? Could still make an argument. #teachwriting

brianrozinsky Dec 20 @ 9:36 PM EST

Speaks to power of mentor texts. 5PEs can have voice/style; too often though they don't when writers sleepwalk #teachwriting

In reply to @Englishgeek305

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:36 PM EST

Q4: Considering the 5 paragraph essay, where do you stand on significance of 3rd person? #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:36 PM EST

I agree. I think we will always have those Ss who struggle with this or that. I think options are great! #teachWriting

In reply to @anthonylodato

MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:36 PM EST

I think for a certain kiddo it would be easier. Wonder if real YouTubers use scripts...if so, mentor text? #teachwriting

In reply to @bkuhl2you

JessieOelke Dec 20 @ 9:37 PM EST

Give sts list of psble transitions to choose from. They do not need to come up w/these on own. #teachwriting

In reply to @bkuhl2you, @LittyMathai

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:37 PM EST

Plenty of skills to be used!!! #teachwriting

In reply to @lisahughes196

triciaebarvia Dec 20 @ 9:37 PM EST

I love the idea of essay as a story of our thinking. Writing should be revelatory not repetitive. #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:37 PM EST

Great question. I'm not sure - I know very little about the pros. #teachwriting

In reply to @JessieOelke, @LittyMathai

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:37 PM EST

A4 Writing in 3rd person is a necessary skill. Taking the 'I" out of academic writing is something Ss need to practice #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:38 PM EST

A4: Eh. For academia, it's still a thing. It's possible to have voice with 3rd person, so I'd focus on how to cultivate that #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:38 PM EST

Those are often the kinds of essays that I want to read - as a teacher and in real life. #teachwriting

In reply to @triciaebarvia

brianrozinsky Dec 20 @ 9:38 PM EST

A4 Let's talk voice 1st, of which 3rd person is one. Let's focus on choosing optimal voice for particular writing & purpose #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:39 PM EST

#TeachWriting

RewardingEdu Dec 20 @ 9:39 PM EST

A4 Allow Ss to use 1st person in first draft. Then rewrite a partner's essay in 3rd person. Ss love revising another's work! #TeachWriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:39 PM EST

But why??? What is so wrong with first person? Who arbitrarily decided 3rd person is a must? (Have to ask) #teachwriting

In reply to @lisahughes196

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:39 PM EST

A4 - I never understood that. If I'm writing about myself or something, why can't I say "I"? Sometimes it makes sense. #teachwriting

brianrozinsky Dec 20 @ 9:39 PM EST

Exactamundo. When Ss hear 3rd person (or 5PE), most become voiceless writing zombies. #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:38 PM EST

A4: Eh. For academia, it's still a thing. It's possible to have voice with 3rd person, so I'd focus on how to cultivate that #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:40 PM EST

A4 - But if I'm writing an objective piece of analysis (or trying to), then the "I" doesn't quite fit. It depends on the piece #teachwriting

mhamiltonedu Dec 20 @ 9:40 PM EST

I love first person for a personal essay. Often more effective. But third person is definitely a necessary skill. #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:40 PM EST

THE ROYAL WE. That's the consensus on a lot of writing mandates, haha. #teachwriting

In reply to @skeeTX, @lisahughes196

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:40 PM EST

A4 - I don't like rules like this. I want my Ss to develop the judgment to make a wise choice based on audience/purpose. #teachwriting

RewardingEdu Dec 20 @ 9:40 PM EST

Beautifully stated! The crucial element is that essays are NOT regurgitation. They are insight, opinion, response, &commentary #teachwriting

triciaebarvia Dec 20 @ 9:37 PM EST

I love the idea of essay as a story of our thinking. Writing should be revelatory not repetitive. #teachwriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:41 PM EST

Left thumb cramping using iPhone! #teachwriting

ELKissner Dec 20 @ 9:41 PM EST

I think it depends on prompt and purpose. For a science field report, I was strict w/ 3rd person. In other cases, 1st ok #TeachWriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:41 PM EST

A4 - But haven't we all read the awkward paragraph where a kid is doing verbal backflips to avoid saying "I"? Painful. #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:41 PM EST

Nothing wrong w/ it. I'm thinking of it from a researcher's point of view & academic writing only. It depends on task #TeachWriting

In reply to @skeeTX

StaceySAnd Dec 20 @ 9:41 PM EST

#teachwriting

MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:41 PM EST

Writing is changing. Sadly, not all of academia is catching up. It's a skill they should have in their wheelhouse. #teachwriting

In reply to @bkuhl2you

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:41 PM EST

#TeachWriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:41 PM EST

Good stuff! https://t.co/dIy2JRStto #TeachWriting

cvarsalona Dec 20 @ 9:41 PM EST

A4 @brianrozinsky @MsKraushaar What we don't want are Ss without voice! #teachwriting (Carol from Long Island dropping in)

In reply to @brianrozinsky, @MsKraushaar

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:41 PM EST

@triciaebarvia Agreed, so should they be so formulaic??? #teachwriting

In reply to @RewardingEdu, @triciaebarvia

triciaebarvia Dec 20 @ 9:42 PM EST

5PE prioritizes form over ideas. Ss squeeze their ideas to fit a form rather than choose the form that best fits their ideas. #teachwriting

mhamiltonedu Dec 20 @ 9:42 PM EST

The "I" issue reminds me of the Q I always struggle with: are we preparing them to write in the real world or in college? #teachwriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:42 PM EST

agree. Like putting you on the spot! #teachwriting

In reply to @lisahughes196

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:42 PM EST

AMEN #teachwriting

In reply to @cvarsalona, @brianrozinsky, @MsKraushaar

RewardingEdu Dec 20 @ 9:42 PM EST

A4 I wrote my first manuscript in 1st person. After I received my publishing contract, my editor made me change it all to 3rdP #TeachWriting

KellyTumy Dec 20 @ 9:42 PM EST

Let us remember that ESSAY means "to try" from the French. #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:42 PM EST

So true. Again, teach a repertoire. It's not THE way, it's A way. Trot it out when needed. #teachwriting

In reply to @mhamiltonedu

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:42 PM EST

Great question. And people are writing so much more than they used to. . . #teachwriting

In reply to @mhamiltonedu

cvarsalona Dec 20 @ 9:43 PM EST

and Ts have to be writers to model for students the art. #TeachWriting

In reply to @MsKraushaar, @bkuhl2you

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:43 PM EST

This is absolutely true. Let's give Ss options and different pathways to express themselves. #TeachWriting

triciaebarvia Dec 20 @ 9:42 PM EST

5PE prioritizes form over ideas. Ss squeeze their ideas to fit a form rather than choose the form that best fits their ideas. #teachwriting

StaceySAnd Dec 20 @ 9:43 PM EST

#teachwriting A4: most as are not sophisticated or comfortable in their writing in 3 p wo it being flat. 1st per is very narrative

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:43 PM EST

leads to the next Q #teachwriting

In reply to @mhamiltonedu

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:43 PM EST

Advantages and disadvantages of the 5 Paragraph Essay https://t.co/DHjd4Pr0Kc #TeachWriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:43 PM EST

Montaigne gets the credit for inventing the genre, doesn't he? #teachwriting

In reply to @KellyTumy

MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:43 PM EST

Very true. Being an authentic practitioner requires...well...writing! #teachwriting

In reply to @cvarsalona, @bkuhl2you

anthonylodato Dec 20 @ 9:43 PM EST

students feel like if they don't say "I" they can't say anything wth voice. Need to break that trend #teachwriting

In reply to @MsKraushaar

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:44 PM EST

Example of an Essay Anchor Chart #TeachWriting

triciaebarvia Dec 20 @ 9:44 PM EST

Why not teach students to use or find real-world structures? Love @gretchbernabei text structure work https://t.co/xTnzKtGzY9 #teachwriting

In reply to @gretchbernabei

RewardingEdu Dec 20 @ 9:44 PM EST

Not formulaic but FOUNDATIONAL for the Ss who desperately need that structure. A balance & freedom to go beyond the frame. #TeachWriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:41 PM EST

@triciaebarvia Agreed, so should they be so formulaic??? #teachwriting
In reply to @RewardingEdu, @triciaebarvia

cvarsalona Dec 20 @ 9:44 PM EST

Thanks for that reminder, Kelly. #teachwriting

In reply to @KellyTumy

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:44 PM EST

And more real. When kids talk at length, they're usually talking in first person, not 3rd. #teachwriting

In reply to @StaceySAnd

MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:44 PM EST

Voice is not always about opinion. It's very nuanced! Use mentor texts to notice what moves amplify voice. #teachwriting

In reply to @anthonylodato

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:44 PM EST

Very interesting take on the 5 Paragraph Essay https://t.co/4qutt4GJgo #TeachWriting

brianrozinsky Dec 20 @ 9:45 PM EST

Good lesson there for Ss who use 'I think' & 'In my opinion' as hedgey qualifiers. #teachwriting

In reply to @Englishgeek305

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:45 PM EST

Q5: Are there other forms of writing that are more important/relevant in building 21st century skills? #teachwriting

nmclaren Dec 20 @ 9:45 PM EST

Pls share your post with alternatives to 5PE essay. I tried 5 part approach. #teachwriting

In reply to @triciaebarvia

MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:46 PM EST

A5: How to write a damn good email! Haha, honestly, real-world communication writing is not taught enough. #teachwriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:46 PM EST

Let me tell you my point, provide evidence, and sum it all up again in case you've forgotten! #teachwriting

In reply to @lisahughes196

cvarsalona Dec 20 @ 9:47 PM EST

#teachwriting Quote from @KatherineBomer that resonates with me-"The Journey Is Everything" and is not the 5 paragraph essay format.

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:47 PM EST

A5 Please let's bring back the Writer's Notebook.Doodling, reflecting, jotting, exploring ideas that matter to THEM #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:47 PM EST

A5 - An e-mail. A memo. A tweet or a status update. A blog post. A thank-you note (that's a really useful one!). #teachwriting

Englishgeek305 Dec 20 @ 9:47 PM EST

Q5: Tried a collaborative essay this year with great results. Ss learning about writing process from each other. #teachwriting

KellyTumy Dec 20 @ 9:47 PM EST

You are a gem! One of my best writers ever, sentence by sentence...that's a great reminder! #teachwriting

notes_on_erin Dec 20 @ 9:45 PM EST

your sentence board was always so helpful w/ this! In striving to make one board-worthy sentence we wrote better essays overall.
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MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:47 PM EST

A5: In order for Ss to see writing as a skill they want/need to hone, we must ask, "What do you want to write?" #teachwriting

RewardingEdu Dec 20 @ 9:47 PM EST

We must honor the fact that great writing is not a mere means of communication; it is an art form. All artists study structure #TeachWriting

brianrozinsky Dec 20 @ 9:48 PM EST

A5 5PE's bread & butter: Organized thinking w/claims backed by evidence. If other writing'll serve that bread/butter, I'm in #teachwriting

KellyTumy Dec 20 @ 9:48 PM EST

.@bkuhl2you That he does... and he always said it was just an attempt. A try. An effort. #teachwriting

In reply to @bkuhl2you

nmclaren Dec 20 @ 9:48 PM EST

This...helped me move my Ss beyond 5PE even though I used 5PE as jumping off point. #teachwriting @triciaebarvia

In reply to @triciaebarvia

triciaebarvia Dec 20 @ 9:44 PM EST

Why not teach students to use or find real-world structures? Love @gretchbernabei text structure work https://t.co/xTnzKtGzY9 #teachwriting
In reply to @gretchbernabei

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:48 PM EST

A5 How about the poetry writing, the rich language, the strong responses to beautiful text,text that moves,text that inspires? #teachWriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:48 PM EST

A5 - We have to work on the definition of "writing." Kids don't often see tech/typing/social media as "writing." #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:48 PM EST

Great tips from Grammarly! https://t.co/HHxpfVP7kp #TeachWriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:48 PM EST

A5: blogging, mind mapping, tweeting, snapping, texting are all forms of writing Ss use, shouldn't we incorporate in school? #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:48 PM EST

Writing Ninjas? Who knew? https://t.co/V2SddttyYa #TeachWriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:49 PM EST

we do thank you letters in class for high school interviews #teachwriting

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MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:49 PM EST

A5: Almost want to keep a list of things I write over break: tweets, blog posts, grocery lists, etc to show Ss relevance #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:49 PM EST

A5 - Thinking about playing with memes. Super short, but might be fun. That's writing, too, IMO. #teachwriting

StaceySAnd Dec 20 @ 9:49 PM EST

#teachwriting A5: note taking, blogging, emails, any communication on social media, professional online comm

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:49 PM EST

LOVE THIS IDEA!!!!!! #teachwriting

In reply to @bkuhl2you

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:50 PM EST

Free verse or other forms with specific structure? #teachwriting

In reply to @lisahughes196

triciaebarvia Dec 20 @ 9:50 PM EST

A4 Some of the best published writing "I." Use of 1st person can be purposeful, powerful. #teachwriting https://t.co/UoMUOfl7PQ

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:36 PM EST

Q4: Considering the 5 paragraph essay, where do you stand on significance of 3rd person? #teachwriting

RewardingEdu Dec 20 @ 9:50 PM EST

The way my editor & I mitigated it was to include shaded text boxes when I switched to necessary 1st P anecdotes. #teachwriting

ELKissner Dec 20 @ 9:47 PM EST

Someone edited a draft of mine and told me to remove 1st...I didn't! It needed the firsthand stories. Luckily editor agreed.
In reply to @RewardingEdu

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:50 PM EST

are you a writing ninja????? #teachWriting

In reply to @lisahughes196

mhamiltonedu Dec 20 @ 9:50 PM EST

A5 not to dodge the question, but I think a lot of what we are agreeing on is that purpose is more important than form #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:51 PM EST

I write in free verse. I have been subjected to the horrors or writing in formulas like (dare I say) Limerick? #teachwriting

In reply to @skeeTX

ELKissner Dec 20 @ 9:51 PM EST

A5: Adding posts to our class stream! Kids are posting ads for their classroom businesses, real communication! #TeachWriting

KellyTumy Dec 20 @ 9:51 PM EST

A5: #TomRomano's work on multi-genre writing is life-changing. Read everything by him @HeinemannPub #teachwriting

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brianrozinsky Dec 20 @ 9:51 PM EST

Form follows function, or so I've heard :) #teachwriting

mhamiltonedu Dec 20 @ 9:50 PM EST

A5 not to dodge the question, but I think a lot of what we are agreeing on is that purpose is more important than form #teachwriting

mhamiltonedu Dec 20 @ 9:51 PM EST

so what follow is yes - there are more important PURPOSES. to persuade, to argue, to memorialize, to appreciate, to diversify #teachwriting

mhamiltonedu Dec 20 @ 9:50 PM EST

A5 not to dodge the question, but I think a lot of what we are agreeing on is that purpose is more important than form #teachwriting

anthonylodato Dec 20 @ 9:51 PM EST

sometimes but for HS Ss it's often a crutch that weakens argument. "I think" removes objectivity #teachwriting

In reply to @bkuhl2you

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:52 PM EST

Love watching my 13 & 9 year old sons write creatively. Inspires me to let my Ss have freedom to express themselves #teachwriting

triciaebarvia Dec 20 @ 9:52 PM EST

Exactly. We reward compliance with 5PE. And then we wonder why Ss can't move beyond the 5PE later. #teachwriting https://t.co/iA2ejMPnpa

Englishgeek305 Dec 20 @ 9:45 PM EST

Hate to see talented Ss discouraged b/c they don't "fit" the form, and robotic writers rewarded for towing the line.
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lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:52 PM EST

I only play one on television. #teachwriting

In reply to @skeeTX

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:52 PM EST

Agree - he's awesome. #teachwriting

In reply to @KellyTumy, @HeinemannPub

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:52 PM EST

there once was a man from Nantucket! #teachwriting

In reply to @lisahughes196

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:53 PM EST

Totally agree. My daughter loves to write - she went through a couple of poetry phases. #teachwriting

In reply to @skeeTX

jwalkup Dec 20 @ 9:53 PM EST

A5: Persuasive writing rules above all (grant/business proposals). #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:53 PM EST

Who threw his 5 paragraph essay out in a bucket.. #teachwriting

In reply to @skeeTX

KellyTumy Dec 20 @ 9:54 PM EST

I'm free verse as well...though I try to channel Robert Frost every once in a while and play with rhythm! #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:51 PM EST

I write in free verse. I have been subjected to the horrors or writing in formulas like (dare I say) Limerick? #teachwriting
In reply to @skeeTX

triciaebarvia Dec 20 @ 9:54 PM EST

.@Tom_Newkirk Minds Made for Stories is incredible thinking on writing as story of thinking, as drama #teachwriting https://t.co/eD2qaSZzCg

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RewardingEdu Dec 20 @ 9:40 PM EST
Beautifully stated! The crucial element is that essays are NOT regurgitation. They are insight, opinion, response, &commentary #teachwriting
- triciaebarvia Dec 20 @ 9:37 PM EST
  
  I love the idea of essay as a story of our thinking. Writing should be revelatory not repetitive. #teachwriting

RewardingEdu Dec 20 @ 9:54 PM EST

A great editor! @EduRowman made me a much better writer. & 3rd person did sound more authoritative & gave me confidence. #teachWriting

ELKissner Dec 20 @ 9:52 PM EST

Elegant solution!
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skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:54 PM EST

Q6: Are there other traditional writing formats that may no longer be necessary/emphasized in our curriculums? #teachwriting

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:55 PM EST

I will do that in Nantucket in June! #teachwriting

In reply to @lisahughes196

codifreeman Dec 20 @ 9:55 PM EST

3.5 #teachwriting

KellyTumy Dec 20 @ 9:55 PM EST

A5: Annie Dillard says writing can be "a miner's pick, a woodcarver's gouge, a surgeon's probe." What's your tool? #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:55 PM EST

A6 - There aren't any that I know of that approach the 5PE in invasive-species-ness. Maybe the research paper - needs help. #teachwriting

triciaebarvia Dec 20 @ 9:55 PM EST

Yup. I want an essay that asks me to journey, to be transformed as the writer discovers, questions, wonders #teachwriting

In reply to @triciaebarvia

codifreeman Dec 20 @ 9:55 PM EST

3.5 #teachwriting

In reply to @skeeTX, @TeachWriting2

ELKissner Dec 20 @ 9:55 PM EST

A6: Wouldn't it be fun to have students write to answer question: Is the friendly letter dead? #TeachWriting

brianrozinsky Dec 20 @ 9:56 PM EST

A6 Business letters. Again, the purpose has a place, though the medium is likely due for a refresh. #teachwriting

JessieOelke Dec 20 @ 9:56 PM EST

Most of my sts can't even address an envelope. #teachwriting

In reply to @brianrozinsky

KellyTumy Dec 20 @ 9:57 PM EST

A6: At some point the "tested essay" must must go by the wayside. Please. #teachwriting

TeachWriting2 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:58 PM EST

Thanks so much for joining us tonight so close to the holidays - we appreciate your time! #TeachWriting

brianrozinsky Dec 20 @ 9:58 PM EST

Why 5PEs may be the IKEA furniture of writing. Genius from Katie! #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:55 PM EST

Overly simplistic directions? Pieces that just. won't. go? Falls apart under pressure? Checks out.
In reply to @brianrozinsky

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:58 PM EST

A6: book reports can be tediously regurgitating. Would prefer seeing young Ss discuss on video or blog. #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:58 PM EST

A6 - Research is so ordinary and pervasive that I think the "research paper" is kind of strange. #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:58 PM EST

A6 I love this idea! You could use this with all types of genres! The long lost poem... the forgotten memoir...#teachWriting

ELKissner Dec 20 @ 9:55 PM EST

A6: Wouldn't it be fun to have students write to answer question: Is the friendly letter dead? #TeachWriting

JessieOelke Dec 20 @ 9:58 PM EST

What about sts who simply don't wonder? #apathy #teachwriting

In reply to @triciaebarvia

triciaebarvia Dec 20 @ 9:58 PM EST

And above all, Ss should exercise agency, voice. Writing empowers. We should not take that power away. #teachwriting https://t.co/SuYOk5LQ2o

mhamiltonedu Dec 20 @ 9:50 PM EST

A5 not to dodge the question, but I think a lot of what we are agreeing on is that purpose is more important than form #teachwriting

codifreeman Dec 20 @ 9:58 PM EST

Doesn't appear to be anytime soon. The tested essay isn't a structure anyone naturally writes. #teachwriting

KellyTumy Dec 20 @ 9:57 PM EST

A6: At some point the "tested essay" must must go by the wayside. Please. #teachwriting

TeachWriting2 - Moderator Dec 20 @ 9:59 PM EST

Thanks so much to our leader tonight, @skeeTX - great job, Rob! We appreciate your help tonight! #TeachWriting

In reply to @skeeTX

MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:59 PM EST

A6: Test writing. Letters divided from a relevant purpose. #teachwriting

KellyTumy Dec 20 @ 9:59 PM EST

Merry Christmas to all...and to all a good night! 🎄🌲 #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Dec 20 @ 9:59 PM EST

Great job, Rob! Topic was a great choice - lots of great conversation about it! #teachwriting

In reply to @TeachWriting2, @skeeTX

skeeTX Dec 20 @ 9:59 PM EST

remember what Mr. Keating said was the purpose of studying poetry???? #teachwriting

In reply to @lisahughes196

MsKraushaar Dec 20 @ 9:59 PM EST

Seconding this! Wonderful discussion tonight. #teachwriting

In reply to @bkuhl2you, @TeachWriting2, @skeeTX