#TMchat Archive
Current and relevant education discussions are held every Tuesday in #TMchat. A weekly guest moderator, considered an expert on the the week's topic, joins @conniehamilton to guide the one hour chat and actively engage with participants. Founder and moderator @conniehamilton supplies her responses to the week's questions visually in Thinking Maps.
Tuesday March 1, 2016
A3: Discussion among peers can help with memorization, analysis, and understanding. Students learn from each other and share ideas.
OK... now we can put our party hats on! Finally! Thanks for joining, James. https://t.co/fQEVYZjtWh
A little late to the party James from Florida here - looking forward to the conversation
We are incorporating a talk tomorrow about the expansion of Ancient Rome SS always good for talking
A3 How many times has listening to yourself talk brought clarity and understanding to a topic. Knowledge comes with talk!
A3: when students question, support, and reflect in convo they clarify thinking and make connections
A3: By using Student Talk they are processing the material learned and developing it into concrete facts they can use later
In younger classrooms explicit modeling and practice really comes into play when learning how to actively listen
A3 How many times has listening to yourself talk brought clarity and understanding to a topic? Knowledge comes with talk!
A few people in my life that I wish had better listening skills. https://t.co/lNTDlVqVTN
This is so true in my Kdg room. Learning to listen is a big part of student talk
A3: It can be difficult listening to novices grappling with the content. But that’s the teaching challenge. https://t.co/vFEJXAWMbW
A3: Explaining something sometimes help you understand, listening to others might help you to think differently or confirm your own.
With student talk, others (most notably parents & teachers) are able to understand student and meet their needs.
A3 - one cannot underestimate the value of a conversation ... we dig deeper
A3: I teach Ss to think. I know Kray Kray , but they rarely get asked to think on their own or worry too much about being "right"
and maybe a few sentence frames to help guide their conversation
A great tool in teacher self-reflection and growth is simply having them time the time they talk compared to kids
A3 literature conversations and response journaling is a researched method. Allows Ss to speak and hear themselves, then write ideas
Expanding knowledge-validates current understanding and facilitates growth! Nice! https://t.co/IPkwaBa5t8
A3: Expanding the student's knowledge on a specific concept
Student talk is the practice of articulating a point of view. Important if students want to be understood in classroom or at a job
too many kids think history is history ... difficult for them to see those connections.
How many have caught themselves answering their own questions? How about a resource to increase Ss talk? https://t.co/LnDq7lxwOz
A3: It supports learning through the use of content/academic vocabulary. Students can apply knowledge at higher DOK levels.
we just had this conversation today. Kids need to learn to fail to be able to reach their full potential. They get it
A3: Student talk helps sts develop their thoughts.I have students talk in book groups before writing responses
Teaching them to think is way more valuable than any test score they can receive.
Firm believer that if they can talk it first, then they can write it! https://t.co/WUy37oVTlo
A3: Student talk helps sts develop their thoughts.I have students talk in book groups before writing responses
A3: Student talk is also a type of formative assessment for the teacher.
talking it out is verbal reflection ... verbal pre-writing.
Teaching is HUGE & will last them a lifetime, NOT so much! https://t.co/59BzXwVq0z
Teaching them to think is way more valuable than any test score they can receive.
isn't it crazy. Asking them to think a little bit. Or telling them that there isn't a "right" answer!! Look out!
The struggle comes in that articulation ... kids struggle to verbalize their thoughts.
Q4: "Think, Pair, Share" is one student talk protocol. What are some others?
How about a Prezi about this concept? https://t.co/uPZBETK5Nk So important to reach out and grab what helps you learn easily.
It takes a creative SS teacher to bring the content alive for them. You're 1/2 teacher 1/2 actor
I consider a silent classroom a waste of student time. If students can't talk, they can't learn. Expression is key
A4: Looking forward in learning different ways beside "Think, Pair, Share" :)
. A favorite quote-'I don't know what I'm thinking until I see what I say.' it's about writing but applies to talk.
on a side note..Thank you, that is what we need to see more of in our classrooms. Keep keeping on!
Not much is retained by simply listening. Lots of research there.
Retweet Q4: "Think, Pair, Share" is one student talk protocol. What are some others?
A4: 1 of my new favorites is "I used to THINK ...But now I THINK" Do you see implications for
Oh... it can be done! could share some ideas.
The key is the practice. Theyre students, its ok to mess up. Imagine not having practiced then articulating to your boss
A4: "Inside outside circles" for understanding, Popcorn Share. I love having the chairs in a circle, 1 of my favs for student talk.
I like to think Im 1/2 standup comedian ... unfortunately my kids think otherwise.
A4; Knee to Knee, eye to eye, or just turn and talk for modeling fishbowl
. Writing is a tool for talking as much as talking is a tool for writing - both support deep thinking.
A4: Google Kagen stratagies. Kent ISD has a training in August!
A4: Book Clubs, writing partners, turn and talk & peer tutors. I would love new ideas!
A4: Somebody, wanted, but, so strategy as introduced to me by
A4: to practice listening after partner talk, share your favorite thing your partner said
A4: A lot of turn and talk..similar to ThinkPairShare. Just lets my Kdgs share what they're thinking right in that moment
A4: Innovation challenges, unplugged time & old school open discussion. My students LOVED these days in my class. I miss them.
I love knee to knee - eye to eye. This helps with full body listening.
I also love, "what did (insert name) just say?"
Q4: Give One Get One and Round Robin are my favorites in first grade
I found it easier for my Kindergartners if I give them a sentence frame.
so many are afraid of messing up ... it is a good thing I am pretty good at modeling messing up breaking barriers
A4: I use "help me" WBT. Sts answer a ? Then ask for help and ideas to expand answer. My kinders <3 it and everyone can be involved.
We're a Kagan district. If you are not familiar with Kagan structures, you should check it out.
Great quote! Thanks for sharing, Kathy! https://t.co/xChoZzfyva
. A favorite quote-'I don't know what I'm thinking until I see what I say.' it's about writing but applies to talk.
Ball toss, shoulder partner, reciprocal teaching, table jobs, mingle, 4 corners with turn and talk, whole class story writing
A4 Fishbowls are very effective for learning the norms for conversation based learning.
Great way to show progression of learning and student growth. https://t.co/9nWuMOBu1K
A4: 1 of my new favorites is "I used to THINK ...But now I THINK" Do you see implications for
A4: I also liked a character education lesson of operator.
making authentic connection s to the individual student is when buy in occurs.
A4: Another thought is write a newspaper headline about your - requires concise
A4: Stand up, hand up, pair up.
A4: would Socratic Chairs be a protocol?
I've had very deep conversations with young children-don't underestimate them!
Sentence stems are also great for language learners who need the support to answer questions https://t.co/0jP3N0MgWO
A4: Passing Notes. Ask a controversial question & to answer it silently passing notes. When time is up they can't wait to talk!
I have no problem modeling messing up. It shows I make mistakes too. https://t.co/dOiTdmN8ny
so many are afraid of messing up ... it is a good thing I am pretty good at modeling messing up breaking barriers
Are you able to follow the questions easily in tonight?
Q5: How is student talk managed? What is the role of the teacher?
We are all afraid of messing up. Thats why in school we have to push them. Student achievement is moving forward.
A5: I would love to get student talk to the point of dinner conversation, no hands in the air. Still working on that for yrs!
A5: Role of the teacher is to be the guide on the side, not the sage on the stage
A4: I have sts tell me a good thought their partner had.
A5: The teacher is the coach and facilitator. Once the relationship is establish the fun can begin!
I say random, but generally Ss will pair some someone they know. Just a quick way to mix things up. https://t.co/Z8Cn2K4FZJ
The role of the t is to facilitate, clarify confusion, model and monitor
. E.M. Forester - not enough room to cite in the previous tweet! Jim Gavelek also said this.
I like this idea. How often do you use this in class?
Retweet Q5: How is student talk managed? What is the role of the teacher?
A5: The teacher's role is to model and teach the process and facilitate.
I can - I am fairly new to Twitter, so I'm just observing. :D
A5: T listens as Ss are engaged in conversations, modelling when needed
A5- How is student talk managed ... A loud booming voice ... just kidding ... the topic manages the the talk ... the teacher guides
A5: Student talk is managed in first grade through gradual release. Model model model micromanage then release! You'd be amazed!
Teachers structure student talk to ensure it happens. This can be done by creating "safer" environments. It needs to be intentional
A5: I just facilitate the discussion. Play devils advocate and I almost never tell them what I think until the end.
A5: Give the kids something to talk about ... a simple question gets a simple answer ... ask better questions.
A5: Keep the conversation moving but don't overtake
A5: modeling , providing sentence stems,insuring all sts have a voice & creating an environment that all ideas are valued
A5: A Ts role in student talk is to guide, clarify, redirect if necessary
A5: I love using literature. Today my Ss said, will you bring more strange books for us to dig into? Love it!
Ask a teacher in the building to come in and observe a class discussion. Listen to their feedback. https://t.co/noTLqgnW6A
A5: Listen, Prompt, gather formative feedback, model, keep Ss on task, Praise, identify misconceptions, adjust instruction, etc.
A5: managing student talk includes topic or focus-can depend on purpose-exploration, review, experience with peer discussions
. Very carefully. Fishbowl with multiple groups discussing one problem/question connected to literature works well.
we have to teach the kids to ask better questions ... so they can get better answers Student talk helps hone this skill
Great response!
https://t.co/q8iH5bnzAu
A5: modeling , providing sentence stems,insuring all sts have a voice & creating an environment that all ideas are valued
A5: Spark interest, intrigue them from the start, & continue to question. Question, question, question. They will LOVE it
One way to directly teach kids to ask better Qs is using the Q Formulation Technique from https://t.co/U7pLgOg4ez
we have to teach the kids to ask better questions ... so they can get better answers Student talk helps hone this skill
We created question stems for Ss to use to ask their peers questions/posted 'em in the classrooms. https://t.co/6Qz9kzM6ml
we have to teach the kids to ask better questions ... so they can get better answers Student talk helps hone this skill
A5: Let them ask the Qs and find the answers. Take them to a little struggle, so they can talk it out.
. I find that teaching what participation really means is more effective than listening sticks.
I love devils advocate ...
Can't say how important letting students feel the struggle is with only 140 characters. https://t.co/c4fqsQXJ7N
A5: Let them ask the Qs and find the answers. Take them to a little struggle, so they can talk it out.
Q6: How can student talk be supported in the early elementary?
Q6 How can student talk be supported in elementary?
A6: lots of modeling and planting the right answer w some Ss
A6: Model and give positive reinforcement
A6: Students WANT to talk in early elementary - we just need to listen & ask great questions!
A6: Same answer... model model model!!! Question stems/frames
A6: Modeling, sentence stems, talking partners so Ss are comfortable sharing, practice staying on topic
A6. Encourage Ss to answer in complete sentences in early elem.
Ss are eager to share their connections to new content. Start here. Praise great conversations and model. https://t.co/sj3HAhCHWy
Q6: How can student talk be supported in the early elementary?
Gotta be a little careful with the modeling. That can turn into teacher talk during student talk time. https://t.co/GMgNMwdR59
A6: Model and give positive reinforcement
Retweet Q6: How can student talk be supported in the early elementary?
Kids need to develop their own answer ...research to support many are missing this element of learning.
I love using the fishbowl method in my third grade classroom. My sts need to see what effective communication looks like.
A6: They are willing to talk. We need to create the opportunities for making it purposeful. Lessons should have that focus.
A6 sentence and response frames, model, model, micromanage , practice, allow for students to "talk" to t about plus/deltas
A5: Prompting with targeted questions. Model rules of etiquette. Target students in a positive way. High interest discussions.
. Demystifying the questioning process is very helpful and empowering for students.
Great way to critique listening/responding strategies focusing on collaboration separate from content. https://t.co/WaaRTfDvfI
I love using the fishbowl method in my third grade classroom. My sts need to see what effective communication looks like.
A6 - Early Elementary seems more interested in walking a straight line and behavior ...need to talk it out more often
A6: Encourage the culture of its ok to have a wrong answer also as they talk through it to find the right answer
Providing time to practice S 2 S talk. Ts having well thought out & crafted questions which intrigue Ss, provoke thinking
maybe the kids need more time to ponder ideas ... then let them speak ... not all about quiet learning
A6: practice, reflect, refine, practice, reflect, refine...better convos and the path to growth
Mix-Pair-Share, Round Robin, Stand-Up Hand-Up Pair-Up,
Hope the chat has gone well! If you want to know about apps developed specifically to get students communicating better, follow :).
Want some more or is that good?
Really getting into that this year with my Kclass. Support your answer "In the text it says..."
A6 Very carefully. A focused question related to literature or a real problem context provides structure.
Eventually they won't need the sentence stem, it will become part of their own language. https://t.co/xthdbsWSly
Really getting into that this year with my Kclass. Support your answer "In the text it says..."
A6: Mini-lessons featuring student strategies: What did you do to help yourself solve the tricky part?
A6 Had first graders deeply engrossed in a conversation about whether or not the 3 pigs should have eaten the big bad wolf.
High interest discussions is key ... how can you talk about something boring or something you know nothing about.
Q7: How do you measure the effectiveness of student talk?
A7. Great question. Measuring oral language, especially w/ very young children, is a challenge.
Great question - love to hear the responses to Q7
A7: When you see the eagerness of the students just burst through
only way they learn to question is by seeing/hearing great questions.
Sorry I'm late. I missed a lot, but glad to get on now.
. Rotating students through fishbowls can span 3 or 4 days with the same discussion focus (picture book related).
How do you quantify that? Collect data? https://t.co/nPi7io3BVg
A7: When you see the eagerness of the students just burst through
Can't expect kids to learn to question if all you ever ask them to do is find the answer.
A7 when Ss are engaged in a talk, working cooperatively and solving problems or creating a mindset of learners
A7: Quality of student talk. Evidence to support answer. Engagement. Questioning each other.
A7: When it is purposeful and intentional. When they apply it in small groups and one to one.
Retweet Q7: How do you measure the effectiveness of student talk?
Engaging in argument with evidence?? https://t.co/WBWq76OfRr
A6 Had first graders deeply engrossed in a conversation about whether or not the 3 pigs should have eaten the big bad wolf.
A7: How do you measure effectiveness ... a timed multiple choice test. JK ... how about ask them.
A7: Artifacts/student sharing serve as assessments for effectiveness of S talk. Rubrics measure protocol. https://t.co/I37wuZ1avJ
Believe we need to work on asking better questions & not fearful of questions https://t.co/1T90rclDx0
only way they learn to question is by seeing/hearing great questions.
How do you measure their engagement or collaborative level? https://t.co/6AE5ytT6qb
A7 when Ss are engaged in a talk, working cooperatively and solving problems or creating a mindset of learners
A7: If sts have different ideas when they leave the discussion, everyone has been able to contribute and I have learned something.
A7: hmmm... rubrics for answers that reach the depth of the standard? teacher checklists? (this is an ongoing discussion on my team)
. I teach student about overlapping speech and awkward silent pauses - both inherent in real conversations.
A7: When a students formative and summative assessment data gains increase.
A7:a 'pull-a stick" chart to monitor participation of some Ss. Ss get rewarded for 'on topic' participation. Sticks provide measure.
A7: pre-post assessment, formal or informal exit slip-what did you learn during discussion?
A7: Visually inspect engagement, Extended learning activities that dive deeper once Ss are hooked, listen & adjust instruction.
Q7 For me if I hear my Ss talking about their thinking I feel it is successful.
A7: Measure discussions: Exit Ticket, quick write, Twitter post to post on the wall, etc. Ask ?s that require analysis & reflection
. Some were convinced the wolf was rotten to the core and others thought with some love and support he could change.
But so many rubrics . . . Is it too much for educators/students?
this seems so formal for such an informal activity
A7 engagement ... what does that look like ... is every kid participating equally or are they being left out?
Thank you for another great and for all of the great info
. Observation notes are helpful.
That's kind of the point. Making it intentional and formal. Otherwise, it's just kids talking. https://t.co/G9erURf9ar
this seems so formal for such an informal activity
Thrilled to have located this! Love how it is measured over time = growth. Accountable talk time https://t.co/I0qexdSuoA
. Absolutely. Evidence from the text, from their own lives, and from other sources.
Good assessment strategies for student talk. https://t.co/MKySAF0opG
A7: Measure discussions: Exit Ticket, quick write, Twitter post to post on the wall, etc. Ask ?s that require analysis & reflection
Thank you for hosting and moderating , and !
Great question! https://t.co/nmHBMC9xmx
A7 engagement ... what does that look like ... is every kid participating equally or are they being left out?
Thank you and for a great tonight!
Marvelous chat tonight and all those who joined and shared = ROCK STARS!
Great work tonight - love the conversation around
hearing a great student conversation is awesome ... has the ability to pull in all students into the learning.
My point exactly - have to be mindful that
Thank you for allowing me to drop in!
Thank you all for the great chat ... thank you for joining and me on she is pretty awesome!
Agree with you! She is awesome!
A7: Kagan PIES
P-Positive Interdependence
I- Individual Accountability
E- Equal Participation
S- Simultaneous Interaction
Thank you for helping to increase student voice!
You gentlemen are too kind. Thank you. I think you're both pretty darn awesome too. https://t.co/sQm78bTRKf
Agree with you! She is awesome!
Teaching children various acceptable levels of engagement help teach participation..much to lay on this
Yes... I'm familiar. Great reference.
Did we just meet a couple weeks ago?
