#ELLCHAT Archive
#ELLCHAT is a repository for ideas related to teaching English Language Learners.
Monday July 10, 2017
9:00 PM EDT
participatechat
Jul 10 @ 9:00 PM EDT
Participate in the upcoming
#ELLCHAT
by sharing resources and collaborating at
https://t.co/TtihYHTCPA
julesmarie_e
Jul 10 @ 9:00 PM EDT
Hi! I'm currently a senior at The University of Oklahoma! I'm in early childhood education and my minor is Spanish.
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judiehaynes
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:02 PM EDT
Welcome to
#ELLCHAT
. Tonight we are discussing how to help ELLs have academic conversations.
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:02 PM EDT
Good evening,
#ELLCHAT
We plan to expand and enhance our approaches academic conversations with ELLs on tonight’s chat
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:05 PM EDT
On
#ELLCHAT
we use a Q#/A# format so please include the answer number and hashtag in each tweet on tonight’s topic!
julesmarie_e
Jul 10 @ 9:06 PM EDT
I think one of the best ways for ELLs to have academic conversations is by continuously teaching them new vocabulary words.
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KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:06 PM EDT
Q1 Please introduce yourself with name/location/ and what you teach
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judiehaynes
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:06 PM EDT
Q1) Please share your name, what you teach and where you’re from.
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KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:06 PM EDT
A1 I’m Karen Nemeth, co-host of
#ELLCHAT
and an author/presenter on
#earlyed
for DLLs/ELLs from Bucks County, PA
carlota_holder
Jul 10 @ 9:07 PM EDT
#ellchat
@Jechev
developing academic language with SIOP book has great resources to start!
Stephreitenour
Jul 10 @ 9:08 PM EDT
Hi I'm
@Stephreitenour
and I taught kindergarteners where most spoke only Spanish! What ages do you work with?
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In reply to @KarenNemethEdM, @Stephreitenour
judiehaynes
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:08 PM EDT
Judie Haynes, former ESL teacher. Currently author/presenter and co-moderator of
#ELLCHAT
julesmarie_e
Jul 10 @ 9:08 PM EDT
A1-My name is Julia & I'm from OK! I'm currently a senior at OU and my major is early childhood ed & Spanish. I want to teach pre-k
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suepetersen17
Jul 10 @ 9:09 PM EDT
Hi from Sue petersen Minnesota K-5 EL teacher
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HSeslteacher
Jul 10 @ 9:09 PM EDT
A1: Shaeley, K12 ESL instructional coach from Central Iowa.
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judiehaynes
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:10 PM EDT
Q2) Why are academic conversations so important for ELLs?
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JennyVo15
Jul 10 @ 9:10 PM EDT
A1 Jenny Vo, Katy, Texas, ESL ISST
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thecozyLC
Jul 10 @ 9:10 PM EDT
I'm Rachel and I teach SIFE in Nashville, TN!
#ellchat
In reply to @KarenNemethEdM
Stephreitenour
Jul 10 @ 9:10 PM EDT
A1 I'm Stephanie and I am in MN and taught kindergarten and now run an in home daycare.
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theESLlady
Jul 10 @ 9:11 PM EDT
A1. Hi, I'm LeighAnn! I teach preK-5th ESL in NJ during the school year & am a summer EFL teacher for a university program.
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shanquinn77
Jul 10 @ 9:11 PM EDT
A1 I'm Shannon and I am an occupational therapist. I evaluate children suspected of a disability is St. Louis, MO
#ellchat
#edu5213SBU
judiehaynes
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:11 PM EDT
Resource: Academic conversations with ELLs -
https://t.co/fRo2S0XEIu
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HSeslteacher
Jul 10 @ 9:12 PM EDT
A2: ELLs need opportunities to practice language of content areas. Academic conversations let them do so in depth
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thecozyLC
Jul 10 @ 9:12 PM EDT
A2- AC are important for developing the oral language necessary for future academic discourse, and for structuring and scaffolding
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judiehaynes
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:12 PM EDT
Please make sure that you use the hashtag
#ELLCHAT
or your tweets will not be seen by everyone in the chat.
MJSIMPSON01
Jul 10 @ 9:10 PM EDT
Maria, live in NJ work in NY. AP K -5. Specialist ELLs and Spec. Ed.
In reply to @judiehaynes
julesmarie_e
Jul 10 @ 9:12 PM EDT
A2- academic convos are important for ELLs because it helps them make connections with their home language and their 2nd/3rd lang
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suepetersen17
Jul 10 @ 9:13 PM EDT
A2 because through conversations you learn new juicy words and practice using the words you already know.
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JennyVo15
Jul 10 @ 9:13 PM EDT
A2: develops oral language, imprint academic content and vocabulary, transfers to written expression, practice conversation skills
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shanquinn77
Jul 10 @ 9:13 PM EDT
I heard you present when you were at Parkway. It was great!
#ellchat
#edu5213SBU
In reply to @KarenNemethEdM
judiehaynes
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:13 PM EDT
A2) This is a really good book on the topic. Academic Conversations by Jeff Zwiers
https://t.co/l2hHmANGln
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KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:14 PM EDT
A2 Academic conversations are super important yet very rare in preK - research here:
https://t.co/OpwVpOexrh
but ELLs get left out!
#ELLchat
WritingwDesign
Jul 10 @ 9:15 PM EDT
Here's a spelling activity for your
#ela
,
#ell
, or
#esl
classes:
https://t.co/2WSVMNFqVH
#lessonplans
#elachat
#ellchat
#eslchat
#writing
massignmenthelp
Jul 10 @ 9:15 PM EDT
How an Accredited Business Degree can Boost your Career and Employability
https://t.co/fbGo1Vk5Dd
#ellchat
#iechat
#kinderchat
Toppel_ELD
Jul 10 @ 9:15 PM EDT
A1) Katie from Oregon. I'm a K-5 ELD Specialist and adjunct prof for ESOL courses
#ELLchat
AssignmentHelpN
Jul 10 @ 9:15 PM EDT
7 Productive Activities to Make the Best use of Summer Vacations
https://t.co/7IWgJiMM2a
#ellchat
#iechat
#kinderchat
judiehaynes
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:15 PM EDT
A2) I think this also true of elementary grades too. Most of the research seems to be done from Middle School and up.
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KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:14 PM EDT
A2 Academic conversations are super important yet very rare in preK - research here:
https://t.co/OpwVpOexrh
but ELLs get left out!
#ELLchat
suepetersen17
Jul 10 @ 9:15 PM EDT
Imprint academic content, I learned new academic vocabulary by reading your tweet!
#ellchat
In reply to @JennyVo15
shanquinn77
Jul 10 @ 9:15 PM EDT
A2 in preschool academic conversations are great for all children- hear new words & work on social skills
#ellchat
#edu5213SBU
Toppel_ELD
Jul 10 @ 9:16 PM EDT
A2) academic conversations include specific vocab and language that needs to be explicitly modeled and practiced!
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theESLlady
Jul 10 @ 9:16 PM EDT
A2. Ss need to apply English language in authentic ways & in context across content areas. Not only to speak but listen/respond.
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judiehaynes
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:16 PM EDT
Q3) What are the most important characteristics of academic conversations?
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KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:17 PM EDT
A2 New studies show
#earlyed
tchrs don’t really use true conversations as much as they think they do.
https://t.co/JOeXXvvwgq
#ELLCHAT
judiehaynes
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:18 PM EDT
A3) Academic Convos should have purposeful % sustained conversations about content.
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theESLlady
Jul 10 @ 9:18 PM EDT
I agree! I think ELLs of all ages can also benefit from developing social skills through academic conversations
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In reply to @shanquinn77
julesmarie_e
Jul 10 @ 9:19 PM EDT
A3- Academic conversations can include goals for the students, such as use _ _ amount of words today when you talk to your partner
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thecozyLC
Jul 10 @ 9:19 PM EDT
A3) listening and responding appropriately, appropriate body language, building on and developing new understandings together
#ellchat
In reply to @judiehaynes
Toppel_ELD
Jul 10 @ 9:20 PM EDT
A3) ACs focus on specific content, explaining ideas, expressing/opposing opinions, utilizing content vocabulary, involve all Ss.
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shanquinn77
Jul 10 @ 9:20 PM EDT
A3 conversations relevant to hands on activities that take place in the class with the children as active participants
#ellchat
#edu5213SBU
MJSIMPSON01
Jul 10 @ 9:20 PM EDT
to increase their content knowledge by using the academic vocabulary, to build academic discourse through practice
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In reply to @judiehaynes
judiehaynes
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:20 PM EDT
Q3) Students work together to co-construct knowledge & negotiate meaning.
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KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:21 PM EDT
A3 one
#earlyed
curriculum often says “strive for five” 5 real, meaningful turns. Any less isn’t a conversation.
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theESLlady
Jul 10 @ 9:21 PM EDT
A3. It's important that all Ss are engaged in conversation no matter what prof. level. Protocols should also be modeled in advance
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judiehaynes
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:21 PM EDT
Please use the Q/A format! Thanks,
#ELLCHAT
MJSIMPSON01
Jul 10 @ 9:20 PM EDT
to increase their content knowledge by using the academic vocabulary, to build academic discourse through practice
#ELLCHAT
In reply to @judiehaynes
HSeslteacher
Jul 10 @ 9:21 PM EDT
A3: Turn taking to build on others' ideas, stating a position or viewpoint & providing evidence, synthesizing ideas in convo
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JennyVo15
Jul 10 @ 9:22 PM EDT
A3: Geared towards what you want students to learn and remember; sentence stems are provided; ample time for students to share
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HSeslteacher
Jul 10 @ 9:22 PM EDT
A3 cont: Purposeful, accurate use of academic terminology including transition words to show relationships btn ideas.
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suepetersen17
Jul 10 @ 9:22 PM EDT
A catchy way to remember that point
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KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:21 PM EDT
A3 one
#earlyed
curriculum often says “strive for five” 5 real, meaningful turns. Any less isn’t a conversation.
#ELLchat
judiehaynes
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:23 PM EDT
A3) Students use “talk moves,” such as asking for clarification,
https://t.co/jRosVpowUu
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KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:23 PM EDT
A3 Researchers look for chance to use critical thinking and analysis to deepen vocab connections for young ELLs/DLLs
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HSeslteacher
Jul 10 @ 9:23 PM EDT
One of my favorite educ books. See review I wrote for
@MIDTESOL
https://t.co/wknva7a1z1
#ELLchat
In reply to @judiehaynes, @MIDTESOL
shanquinn77
Jul 10 @ 9:23 PM EDT
I can't wait to actually read this article. I work in pre-K and we have a large ELL population.
#ellchat
#edu5213SBU
In reply to @KarenNemethEdM
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:24 PM EDT
A3 because academic conversations are NOT large group quizzing! You need less than 5 little kids to have responsive conversation
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theESLlady
Jul 10 @ 9:25 PM EDT
I like this idea - I think it's difficult sometimes for Ss to understand what a true conversation looks like/sounds like.
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In reply to @KarenNemethEdM
judiehaynes
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:25 PM EDT
Q4) What strategies do you use to engage ELLs in academic conversations?
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Stephreitenour
Jul 10 @ 9:26 PM EDT
Q3Think, pair, share offers students time to think about their words, practice them and share with a friend
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judiehaynes
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:26 PM EDT
A3) Actually research shows that pairs work better when teaching academic conversations.
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KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:24 PM EDT
A3 because academic conversations are NOT large group quizzing! You need less than 5 little kids to have responsive conversation
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Toppel_ELD
Jul 10 @ 9:26 PM EDT
A4) MODEL, provide stems/frames, pose interesting questions, clear expectations, repeated practice w/key vocab
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shanquinn77
Jul 10 @ 9:27 PM EDT
Q4 small groups, topics of interest to them, picture supports as needed
#ellchat
#edu5213SBU
HSeslteacher
Jul 10 @ 9:27 PM EDT
A4: Explicit instruction on what academic conversation is & modeling one. I asked my coach to join me for fish bowl conversation
#ELLChat
thecozyLC
Jul 10 @ 9:27 PM EDT
A4- we model using photos of students showing the motions and talk moves, practice with low academic content needs
#ELLChat
In reply to @judiehaynes
suepetersen17
Jul 10 @ 9:27 PM EDT
Q4 cooperative thinking maps paired with fluent partner can help ELs participate and organize thoughts
#ellchat
In reply to @judiehaynes
Stephreitenour
Jul 10 @ 9:28 PM EDT
Q4 I use think, pair, share and for writing: " what I think, I can say, what I say, I can write, what I write, I can read.
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julesmarie_e
Jul 10 @ 9:28 PM EDT
A4- you can engage ELLs by having them talk about specific topics that relate to their everyday life/ interests/ hobbies
#ellchat
thecozyLC
Jul 10 @ 9:28 PM EDT
A4 Like "how are Messi and Ronaldo the same and different? Discuss." I have all newcomers, so we start with only 1 talk move!
#ellchat
In reply to @judiehaynes
judiehaynes
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:28 PM EDT
A4)Strategies: Academic convos: Accept imperfect language. provide language aupport, use strategies that encourage all Ss to talk.
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HSeslteacher
Jul 10 @ 9:28 PM EDT
A4 cont: Must also provide time for Ss to generate ideas, consider examples & evidence for position - like priming well.
#ELLChat
theESLlady
Jul 10 @ 9:29 PM EDT
A4. Modeling, sentence starter cards for questions/responses. Am also a stickler for teaching the importance of eye contact.
#ELLCHAT
Toppel_ELD
Jul 10 @ 9:29 PM EDT
I was thinking of making a Snapchat model with diff "characters" to model examples and non examples. I think Ss would like it
#EllChat
In reply to @thecozyLC, @judiehaynes
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:29 PM EDT
A4 Specifically explain meanings of words by connecting new to familiar words in L1 = vocabulary bridging
https://t.co/B35tnVQZSI
#ellchat
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:30 PM EDT
A3 Yes, but, you have to really get into it. Many tchrs do this so superficially that it’s not worth much
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Stephreitenour
Jul 10 @ 9:26 PM EDT
Q3Think, pair, share offers students time to think about their words, practice them and share with a friend
#ELLCHAT
theESLlady
Jul 10 @ 9:30 PM EDT
I like that you mention expectations- so important but often forgotten!
#ELLchat
In reply to @Toppel_ELD
judiehaynes
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:30 PM EDT
A4) Use grouping strategies that encourage student talk (pairs). create a classroom culture of authentic communication.
#ELLCHAT
HSeslteacher
Jul 10 @ 9:30 PM EDT
SInce eye contact varies across cultures, academic conversations provide authentic context to teach about it to ELLs.
#ELLChat
In reply to @theESLlady
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:31 PM EDT
a4 So true - just hearing sounds coming out of someone’s mouth is not equal to real oral language or deep conversation!!
#ELLCHAT
HSeslteacher
Jul 10 @ 9:28 PM EDT
A4 cont: Must also provide time for Ss to generate ideas, consider examples & evidence for position - like priming well.
#ELLChat
judiehaynes
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:31 PM EDT
A4) Yes! This is important.
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KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:29 PM EDT
A4 Specifically explain meanings of words by connecting new to familiar words in L1 = vocabulary bridging
https://t.co/B35tnVQZSI
#ellchat
thecozyLC
Jul 10 @ 9:31 PM EDT
I actually usually put my newcomers in 3s, so that brand new kiddos have a model to follow and less pressure to respond every time
#ellchat
In reply to @judiehaynes
theESLlady
Jul 10 @ 9:32 PM EDT
Definitely so true!
#ELLCHAT
In reply to @HSeslteacher
judiehaynes
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:33 PM EDT
A4) What do you do when eye contact is not culturally appropriate. Can be a problem for older ELLs.
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theESLlady
Jul 10 @ 9:29 PM EDT
A4. Modeling, sentence starter cards for questions/responses. Am also a stickler for teaching the importance of eye contact.
#ELLCHAT
judiehaynes
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:34 PM EDT
A4) Good point!
#ELLCHAT
HSeslteacher
Jul 10 @ 9:30 PM EDT
SInce eye contact varies across cultures, academic conversations provide authentic context to teach about it to ELLs.
#ELLChat
In reply to @theESLlady
HSeslteacher
Jul 10 @ 9:34 PM EDT
I've heard other Ts say sometimes pairs are too personal or add anxiety for shy students. Your explanation of 3s makes sense!
#ELLchat
In reply to @thecozyLC, @judiehaynes
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:34 PM EDT
A4 Another study showing the importance of conversation to oral language development for ALL
#prek
students
https://t.co/dsQEhhqajL
#ELLCHAT
theESLlady
Jul 10 @ 9:35 PM EDT
For me it's just about knowing your Ss - I would never make a S uncomfortable but want them to learn the importance in our culture
#ELLCHAT
In reply to @judiehaynes
shanquinn77
Jul 10 @ 9:36 PM EDT
A4 in preschool great conversations occur during naturally during play
#ellchat
#edu5213SBU
judiehaynes
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:37 PM EDT
A4) I never thought of this! I've always read to use pairs but I see your point here. Triads should work very well.
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HSeslteacher
Jul 10 @ 9:34 PM EDT
I've heard other Ts say sometimes pairs are too personal or add anxiety for shy students. Your explanation of 3s makes sense!
#ELLchat
In reply to @thecozyLC, @judiehaynes
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:37 PM EDT
A3 We have work to do. Several articles recently show worry that tchrs still do too much of the talking!
https://t.co/OcSZsRj4RN
#ELLCHAT
shanquinn77
Jul 10 @ 9:38 PM EDT
Also tricky when the student has a disability as well. Social skills are important to teach
#ellchat
#edu5213sbu
In reply to @theESLlady, @judiehaynes
theESLlady
Jul 10 @ 9:39 PM EDT
I agree with you! I think again I can relate even w/ elementary because giving Ss opportunity to converse naturally is beneficial
#ELLCHAT
In reply to @shanquinn77
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:39 PM EDT
A4 I so agree! Our students don’t come wrapped in neat packages with only one kind of need at a time! Prepared peers can be helpful
#ELLchat
shanquinn77
Jul 10 @ 9:38 PM EDT
Also tricky when the student has a disability as well. Social skills are important to teach
#ellchat
#edu5213sbu
In reply to @theESLlady, @judiehaynes
ValentinaESL
Jul 10 @ 9:40 PM EDT
A4 asking the right questions is key. Ques should be open ended or dialogic rather than monologic
#ELLCHAT
judiehaynes
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:40 PM EDT
Q5) What conversation prompts do you use to start academic conversations?
#ELLCHAT
thecozyLC
Jul 10 @ 9:41 PM EDT
And that can be really hard to do!
#ellchat
In reply to @ValentinaESL
ValentinaESL
Jul 10 @ 9:41 PM EDT
A4 some stu need more structure/ scaffolding to support academic conversations while others don't need much at all
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HSeslteacher
Jul 10 @ 9:41 PM EDT
Thought that's what Ts do - tell Ss what we know. Ha! Realized since that whoever is talking is learning. My role is set up convos
#ELLChat
In reply to @KarenNemethEdM
suepetersen17
Jul 10 @ 9:42 PM EDT
Recap just learning how to use this.
#ellchat
https://t.co/BPpPPQGB7j
theESLlady
Jul 10 @ 9:42 PM EDT
Interesting that this says HS classrooms. I think it is more of a challenge w/ older Ss - I'm not sure why, but I struggle with it
#ELLCHAT
In reply to @KarenNemethEdM
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:42 PM EDT
A5 What NOT to use: “Turn to friend and tell them one thing you liked in story.” or “My favorite color is ____” Need open ended
#ELLCHAT
ValentinaESL
Jul 10 @ 9:43 PM EDT
A4 the goal is authentic conversations but some aren't there yet and need sent stems, visuals, wait time, modeling for practice
#ELLCHAT
HSeslteacher
Jul 10 @ 9:43 PM EDT
A5:
@ValentinaESL
's point is critical. Also topic must be of interest, engaging, & some depth
#ELLChat
ValentinaESL
Jul 10 @ 9:40 PM EDT
A4 asking the right questions is key. Ques should be open ended or dialogic rather than monologic
#ELLCHAT
judiehaynes
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:43 PM EDT
A4) Academic convos go way beyond giving Ss opportunity to converse naturally. Ss need to discuss content using academic lang.
#ELLCHAT
theESLlady
Jul 10 @ 9:39 PM EDT
I agree with you! I think again I can relate even w/ elementary because giving Ss opportunity to converse naturally is beneficial
#ELLCHAT
In reply to @shanquinn77
thecozyLC
Jul 10 @ 9:43 PM EDT
A5) We work on 1 talk move at a time in the context of the content we're doing
#ellchat
In reply to @judiehaynes
Toppel_ELD
Jul 10 @ 9:44 PM EDT
A5) questions that elicit different perspectives
#ellchat
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:44 PM EDT
A4 My grandd came home from 2nd gr telling me all about a science activity. I asked what tchr said? “Nothing! it was just us kids!”
#ELLCHAT
judiehaynes
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:44 PM EDT
A5) Resource: Math Talk Sentence Starters -
https://t.co/PYX4i3GFyE
#ELLCHAT
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:45 PM EDT
A4 It was the most she ever talked about a lesson in school - the day the teacher did NONE of the talking!
#ELLCHAT
TwitLiveEvents
Jul 10 @ 9:45 PM EDT
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Stephreitenour
Jul 10 @ 9:45 PM EDT
I teach pre-k so I use sentence stems as all young ones are still learning to use complete sentences. Talking about themselves.
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ValentinaESL
Jul 10 @ 9:45 PM EDT
This is a big problem
#ellchat
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:37 PM EDT
A3 We have work to do. Several articles recently show worry that tchrs still do too much of the talking!
https://t.co/OcSZsRj4RN
#ELLCHAT
thecozyLC
Jul 10 @ 9:45 PM EDT
For example, how could the characters solve the problem in the story? Support your idea with details.
#ellchat
In reply to @judiehaynes
HSeslteacher
Jul 10 @ 9:45 PM EDT
A5: At secondary, often connected Qs to text we'd read & discussed previously. Opinion Qs & "hot topics" often led to lively convos
#ELLchat
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:46 PM EDT
A5 and for heavens sakes: just asking Ss “what was YOUR favorite part and what was YOUR favorite part?” is nonsense! We need more
#ELLCHAT
ValentinaESL
Jul 10 @ 9:47 PM EDT
A5 What surprised you? What was the author trying to tell you?
#ellchat
these make the reader connect w the text
judiehaynes
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:40 PM EDT
Q5) What conversation prompts do you use to start academic conversations?
#ELLCHAT
JennyVo15
Jul 10 @ 9:47 PM EDT
A5: really depends on the topic of discussion and how structured you want the convo to be and what you want the students to learn
#ELLCHAT
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jul 10 @ 9:47 PM EDT
Good idea for A5 (when you use the A number corresponding to Question number, people reading chat later can follow better)
#ELLCHAT
Stephreitenour
Jul 10 @ 9:45 PM EDT
I teach pre-k so I use sentence stems as all young ones are still learning to use complete sentences. Talking about themselves.
#ELLCHAT
globalQZ
Jul 10 @ 9:47 PM EDT
oops, the pinterest link doesnt want to talk! isn't opening (case of hiccups)
#ellchat
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In reply to @judiehaynes
shanquinn77
Jul 10 @ 9:47 PM EDT
A5 Having items used during the activity or play available
#ellchat
#edu5213SBU
suepetersen17
Jul 10 @ 9:47 PM EDT
My favorite part was. BECAUSE........
#ellchat
In reply to @KarenNemethEdM
theESLlady
Jul 10 @ 9:48 PM EDT
I definitely agree 100%! Was thinking more about social language & skills here.
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ValentinaESL
Jul 10 @ 9:48 PM EDT
I agree
@HSeslteacher
Relevance is another factor to consider
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HSeslteacher
Jul 10 @ 9:43 PM EDT
A5:
@ValentinaESL
's point is critical. Also topic must be of interest, engaging, & some depth
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ValentinaESL
Jul 10 @ 9:40 PM EDT
A4 asking the right questions is key. Ques should be open ended or dialogic rather than monologic
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judiehaynes
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Jul 10 @ 9:49 PM EDT
A6) How do you assess language across disciplines?
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KarenNemethEdM
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Jul 10 @ 9:49 PM EDT
A5 Yes, but… too often it becomes rote routine- the kids just say anything because there’s no follow up. A reason large groups hurt
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suepetersen17
Jul 10 @ 9:47 PM EDT
My favorite part was. BECAUSE........
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thecozyLC
Jul 10 @ 9:51 PM EDT
A6 I use academic conversations to assess, especially my pre-reading SIFE students!
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judiehaynes
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Jul 10 @ 9:51 PM EDT
A6) Resource: Formative Assessment of Language across Disciplines.
https://t.co/7SjIHCuXep
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JennyVo15
Jul 10 @ 9:51 PM EDT
A5:
@Seidlitz_Ed
had a set of books Erin great sentence stems--Navigating the ELPS in the Content Areas.
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ValentinaESL
Jul 10 @ 9:52 PM EDT
A6 when assessing I look at lang standards and proficiency levels.Where where they are did they show growth?In Tx we use ELPS &PLDs
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theESLlady
Jul 10 @ 9:52 PM EDT
A5. It varies based on content area. I try to keep conversational lang. & structure similar to what Ss need to know in mainstream
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HSeslteacher
Jul 10 @ 9:53 PM EDT
A6: Lang was 1 part of rubric for academic conversations- focused on connectors. Other parts on turn taking & evidence for ideas
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MJSIMPSON01
Jul 10 @ 9:53 PM EDT
A6) we have used a modified version of the CAT (conversation analysis tool)
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KarenNemethEdM
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Jul 10 @ 9:53 PM EDT
a6 I love this question tonight because my idea of best language assessment across disciplines IS the conversations we have!
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theESLlady
Jul 10 @ 9:55 PM EDT
Me too - always find it challenging to defend this concept to my superiors outside of the ESL field!
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suepetersen17
Jul 10 @ 9:56 PM EDT
A6 Kate Kinsella
https://t.co/zkj1jDajEW
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shanquinn77
Jul 10 @ 9:56 PM EDT
A6 conversations are a great way to assess ALL children
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judiehaynes
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Jul 10 @ 9:56 PM EDT
A5) Is this the book you mean?
https://t.co/jInfcTTn2B
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JennyVo15
Jul 10 @ 9:51 PM EDT
A5:
@Seidlitz_Ed
had a set of books Erin great sentence stems--Navigating the ELPS in the Content Areas.
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ValentinaESL
Jul 10 @ 9:56 PM EDT
The most powerful academic conversations I've experienced are socratic seminars. But stu need a great deal of support to get there
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thecozyLC
Jul 10 @ 9:58 PM EDT
Great structure and rubric for academic conversations
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suepetersen17
Jul 10 @ 9:56 PM EDT
A6 Kate Kinsella
https://t.co/zkj1jDajEW
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HSeslteacher
Jul 10 @ 9:58 PM EDT
I'm a big fan of Dr. Kate! I used her English 3D materials when I taught HS ESL
https://t.co/j7jJ39yATE
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ValentinaESL
Jul 10 @ 9:59 PM EDT
https://t.co/2L2juDW4ZE
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judiehaynes
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Jul 10 @ 9:59 PM EDT
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HSeslteacher
Jul 10 @ 9:59 PM EDT
Just a reminder that we do archive links in our
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group
https://t.co/j7jJ39yATE
It's open to anyone!
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suepetersen17
Jul 10 @ 9:59 PM EDT
Not even sure what that is. Will have to google it.
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KarenNemethEdM
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Jul 10 @ 9:59 PM EDT
What a great chat tonight,
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