#ILedchat Archive
#ILedchat is a great way for Illinois educators to share teaching strategies, educational resources, and more.
Monday January 11, 2016
10:00 PM EST
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My tweets for the next hour will be dedicated to to chat about and its impact on IL Schools
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The team (, , , & ) is glad you’re here!
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Remember to use for our chat this evening. We’ll also be posting an archive later tonight.
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We’ll be using Q1, Q2...A1, A2...to track questions & responses.
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Please introduce yourself, your role working w/students, and where you’re tweeting from tonight.
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Bob Abrams, HS AP, tweeting from New Lenox. Member of the team
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Hello ers! I am Larry Hyde, Co-Director of Midwest Principals' Center. Trying to stay warm tonight.
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Thanks for being here with us, Larry!
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A1 Maggie from IL - EL/Bilingual Specialist/Consultant for &
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Welcome to ! Thanks for joining the learning tonight!
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Kirk, gifted 6-8th grade math teacher in the Chicago Northshore in this freezing arctic chill right now.
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Thanks for joining us tonight with ! Learning will keep us warm!
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"Turn your classroom into a personalized learning environment" via
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Evening all--brrrrr! ❄️❄️❄️ Dea C-C, Partner in Education listening in...
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Good evening! Amber Heffner, Ex. Director of chatting from Washington and yes , also trying to stay warm!
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Jon...supt from Red Bud, IL
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Great to see you here in 2016, Amber!
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Good evening ! We're looking forward to tonight!
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Thanks for being with us in the cold, Dea! keeps me warm!
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Tom, Band Director and aspiring administrator at Genoa-Kingston HS tweeting from the copy room https://t.co/gAZzTEoDKD
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Please introduce yourself, your role working w/students, and where you’re tweeting from tonight.
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Great to see you back, Jonathan! Thanks for being with
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Great to have you join us tonight! We hope to see you regularly in
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Great to see new AND returning tweeps! RT if you are returning. Fav this tweet if you are a 1st timer!
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Happy 2016 Jason! Welcome back to
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The link doesn't seem to work.
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Let's get started on - Question 1 is coming up.
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Q1 What were some good things that were a part of the No Child Left Behind Law?
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A1 Focused attention on gaps within & between various demographics/subgroups
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A1 NCLB helped to establish the common core. negatives aside, at least it set some common standards as a starting point.
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A1: Made us reexamine our curriculum alignment.
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Agreed. NCLB did get people looking at data to see where issues were and starting people thinking about what to do
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Joe Fatheree from Effingham
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A1: Accountability, focus on gaps in learning & began discussions on data driven decisions
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A1 Challenged admins and teachers to ensure that all students were successful
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Welcome Joe. Thanks for joining tonight!
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A1 Yes, it pushed urban/blue collar schools to expand the curriculum beyond basic skills.
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A1 It did push for highly qualified teachers in the classroom to teach the course
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Forced k-12 curriculum alignment and discussion between all staff
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Not to crash but this is one of my FAVORITE columns. As a professor, totally sums up NCLB for me https://t.co/P42hjsMXW3
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Good point. Gone are the days where students could be forgotten. Helped to reduce the minimalization of subgroups
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Which led to a conversation about what is highly effective
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Crash away. Please continue to share with
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A1: NCLB forced upon us a needed focus on closing gaps among sub groups. Definitely changed the discussion.
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A1 NCLB was a paradigm shift that targeted student learning as the #1 priority in schools.
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Shannon, HS Principal from Momence, checking in late and peeking at the game.
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A1 Helped to open the conversation of what constitutes quality/valid/reliable data. Not all data is created equal!
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Q1 was a good warm up and we are so excited to see so many educators on here this evening to discuss on
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Q2 What are you doing as an educator to make sure that you understand the updates to the law now known as ?
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Glad to be here. Looking forward to the conversation.
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Erik, Principal Windsor High School
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Probably accelerated implementation of RtI in a more universal manner, too.
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A2: I focus on what happens in my class/what best helps my Ss. If it's important my principal will inform us. I don't follow ESSA.
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Q2 My district does an excellent job of sharing information. Also, does an incredible job providing its members with info
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A2: Participating in this chat ;) Reading articles & following updates online (Twitter, Google alerts, etc.)
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True but tchrs/admin were NOT prepared for shift in and challenges.
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A2: Owe much of what I know currently to Legislative updates.
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A2 Reading articles, sharing with my colleauges, hopefully attening great PD hosted by good organizations like
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A2: Take advantage of your professional organization such as and your PLN. Much information is out there.
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And I know that always pays attention! He's got you covered. https://t.co/4CGWBcob5p
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A2: I focus on what happens in my class/what best helps my Ss. If it's important my principal will inform us. I don't follow ESSA.
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A2 Reading articles, doing Twitter chats like this, and long discussions w/ colleagues about the impact on ELs
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I agree it has been very taxing on a lot of teachers and admins.
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A2: reading as much as possible, talking to colleagues and state organizations.
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However, it appears that a lot of great Ts and As have risen to the top and are doing incredible work
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A2 Read! I send a weekly policy digest the list-serv & is taking lots of space. Still many unknowns.
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Necessity is the mother of invention.
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Exactly! is pretty awesome. https://t.co/w8ZJLlOaBF
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And I know that always pays attention! He's got you covered. https://t.co/4CGWBcob5p
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A2: I focus on what happens in my class/what best helps my Ss. If it's important my principal will inform us. I don't follow ESSA.
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That is how the Teacher Leader movement got started.
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Let's dive into the nitty gritty of the law in Q3
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Q3 will require the use of non-academic measures (i.e. climate surveys) to document a school’s effectiveness. Is this fair?
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A2 It will take time for the ramifications of this new law to be understood since states will have more flexibility in inactment
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A3:Absolutely!You always need to survey the stakeholders in a school to improve. Feedback is always needed to improve as a school.
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Agreed. Quality educators confronting challenge & taking charge, still long way 2go.
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Im not sure how we argue the validity of fair. Does it provide a more comprehensive snapshot. I think the answer is yes
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A3 No less fair than judging a school by a single test, regardless of the readiness of students.
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A3: Assuming valid surveys are developed & true feedback can be gathered from stakeholders, it can be very effective.
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A3: A balanced accountability measurement will be better than a snapshot high stakes test result that defines a school.
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Exactly. I really think that the Balanced Accountability in Illinois will allow us a good start. https://t.co/KeTGy5X5w3
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A3: Assuming valid surveys are developed & true feedback can be gathered from stakeholders, it can be very effective.
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Also, the feedback can force leaders & Ts to have real discussion on school climate & who has power to change it
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A3: Just as ONLY acad. measures don't accurately measure effectiveness, neither does JUST a climate survey. Should be a combo.
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A3 Effective schools have normally measured its climate for SIP action plans prior to this law.
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Good point. Multiple sources, triangulate data. https://t.co/VIJXH9sur9
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A3: Just as ONLY acad. measures don't accurately measure effectiveness, neither does JUST a climate survey. Should be a combo.
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A3 The concern is also about validity & reliability. Too often data misused. Created for one purpose & used for another.
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To be clear, the new requires "at least" a majority of our accountability to be based on standardized measures.
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I agree, validity is key! A school's climate definitely effects student learning
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Agreed, but this is tough to avoid. https://t.co/QR8R77syEk
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A3 The concern is also about validity & reliability. Too often data misused. Created for one purpose & used for another.
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Q3 Creating a systematic tool for assessing schools/tchrs in this iteration of education is a task .
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Agreed, that is why it is so important for teacher leaders to stand up an share their thoughts.
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Q4 will pull much of the educational oversight from the federal government and give it to the State. Will this help or hurt?
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"Not everything that can be counted counts; not everything that counts can be counted." Einstein
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A3: Yes + helps tell the local story in a more meaningful way. Not a fan of 5Essentials but I see value. https://t.co/l7qt7evdIg
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A3: A balanced accountability measurement will be better than a snapshot high stakes test result that defines a school.
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A4 With education being a state's right, it should be a good thing. The question: is leaving it to the state of IL a good thing?
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. Happens all the time. For the sake of convenience too many take this road & vendors push it. Some prepping now w/ESSA!
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A4: One helpful piece will be support for initiatives from community members who want more decision making from the state
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Yes, I think it puts the onus back on us. Let's work together to get the job done for the benefit of our kids.
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A4: l am usually in favor of local control when it comes to education.We understand our community & the needs of our students best
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A4: Presently, not sure. More responsibility for an understaffed organization that has seen alot of recent change.
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A4 Too early to determine if this law will substantially improve education even if states have flexibility.
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A4: NCLB was awful. IL created more mess by chasing RTTT funds and now we have more issues. Less feds is good for local control.
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A4: State control is better, but the not rushing into laws, chasing federal dollars (RTTT) is what I'm most excited about
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There is nobody else to pick up the eduball and run with the exception of us. https://t.co/VC0dhs4F4T
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Yes, I think it puts the onus back on us. Let's work together to get the job done for the benefit of our kids.
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A4: Ha, no comment. https://t.co/m1UTHDaREh
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A4 With education being a state's right, it should be a good thing. The question: is leaving it to the state of IL a good thing?
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A4 At least with the less fed control and no more NCLB, we have gotten rid of ridiculous & arbitrary, unachievable benchmarks
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Sharing is new terrain for Ts who are "AT WILL" employees in many districts
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A4 Indeed most want what is good for kids but wanting & knowing how to get there are not necessarily a convergent train.
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Sorry late to the I had the greatest tour of the 5:00 news with the great so interesting!
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I do hope that this iteration will feel more like we are a part of it rather than having it happen to us. https://t.co/iTALdzc1aF
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A4: State control is better, but the not rushing into laws, chasing federal dollars (RTTT) is what I'm most excited about
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True. RTTT money was actually costing our district money. It would have been more cost effective to return the pittance.
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A4 Most want what is good 4kids but wanting & knowing how 2get there not necessarily a convergent twain especially w/diversity.
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Q5 now includes STEM and computer science as core subject areas. What will this mean for IL schools?
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There is a massive push to increase STEM in schools across the US. I am extremely hopeful what this means
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A5 From a staffing standpoint, it will be a challenge to find qualified teachers for computer science.
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A5: I hope we can strengthen other core areas in addition to LA and math.
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A5 if we look at computer programming as a world language, then students should be able to fit it into their schedules.
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The first National Summit on Teaching will be held in Feb. The focus will be on Teacher Leadership
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I agree with you, where are we going to find these people? https://t.co/7ie8YUKZAJ
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A5 From a staffing standpoint, it will be a challenge to find qualified teachers for computer science.
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A5 STEM is illustrative of quality integrative instruction. It should NOT be separate class. Break down the walls of high schools
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Good question. Computer programming used to be a part of HS Math ed. Not sure if it still is.
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It is also a process that promotes a way of thinking.
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A5: For ALL students, this is a +. For schools could be issue: where they are w/integrating technology, infrastructure & budget
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Thanks Joe, sorry I was late can you direct me to resources? Thank you! https://t.co/hNV7BFioXX
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The first National Summit on Teaching will be held in Feb. The focus will be on Teacher Leadership
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is trying to grow a 100,000 new STEM educators in the next 10 years. I am really impressed with their work.
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A5: Reinforces increased prioritizing of tech based learning and maybe a loss of some other electives- something has to give.
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We need to get Ss creating apps for themselves. Create a program to solve their needs I did it on a TI for logs
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A5 ESSA now recognizes there is essential learning beyond math & reading. This is a good sign!
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And understanding. https://t.co/O4xCIyjCo9
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A5: For ALL students, this is a +. For schools could be issue: where they are w/integrating technology, infrastructure & budget
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Bob I so agree breaking down the walls of the high school is really a major shift in thinking! https://t.co/XVuP2JgxZg
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A5 STEM is illustrative of quality integrative instruction. It should NOT be separate class. Break down the walls of high schools
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Q6 Do you think that will have any changes on IL schools? If so, what will those changes look like?
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STATES RIGHTS/LOCALCONTROL are fighting words 4 some pop.Original ESEA, 1965 considered a civil rights act.
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Sure email me at joe@nnstoy.org. I'll make sure to send some stuff your way. Lots of good work going on in this area.
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I can’t wait to learn more! thanks for sharing!
https://t.co/igY1exhyDF
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is trying to grow a 100,000 new STEM educators in the next 10 years. I am really impressed with their work.
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A6 May I answer w/a question? Will cause IL 2rethink student growth & evaluation? Other states are back-burnering the push.
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I'm shutting down for the night. Thanks for the great conversation. Enjoy the week. Thanks for all you do for kids.
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When do you think we will start seeing change? OK your best guess here. https://t.co/HBPpWDIN6p
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Q6 Do you think that will have any changes on IL schools? If so, what will those changes look like?
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It absolutely will. So many hours on the PERA committee gone to pot...
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We're officially under the waiver until next school year. 16-17 is transition. I think it'll be 2018 https://t.co/1Hok9AuegO
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When do you think we will start seeing change? OK your best guess here. https://t.co/HBPpWDIN6p
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Q6 Do you think that will have any changes on IL schools? If so, what will those changes look like?
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DC-Feb 4-6. I believe IL has already picked its team. I will be there. hope you follow the Twitter chat
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A6 At a Balanced Assessment session 2day Ts questioning what/how future annual assessments may look based on latitude.
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You think PERA and growth in eval will go away?
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DC-Feb 4-6.I believe IL has already picked its team.I will be there. hope you https://t.co/ewLtDtcFdK
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I'm sorry but that hmu when it's convenient for you shit is dead 💀 , I was trying to be nice but I should've left y'all right in 2015 👌🏼
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Keep us all in the loop as you are learning! https://t.co/sAxRJpCOgc
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DC-Feb 4-6. I believe IL has already picked its team. I will be there. hope you follow the Twitter chat
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Student growth as a part of teacher eval will be RADICALLY changed under ESSA...
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One last question here on
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Q7 Changes take time. In 5 years, will IL schools be better off with that they had been under ?
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A7 I think anything will be better than NCLB. Getting rid of arbitrary benchmarks, over testing...can only improve things.
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I am out of the loop here, and, like you, have wasted MANY hours then.
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I would not call it a waste. Great conversation with Ts about what results might look like with quality isntr.
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Do classrm Ts employ ROBUST assessment/constructive feedback systems for students work or are we still in ?
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A7 IL schools may be better despite the new law due to dedicated, passionate, reflective educators that care.
