#UTedChat Archive
#UTedChat happens every Wed. @ 9pm MDT. We discuss educational topics relevant to Utah and the general education landscape.
Wednesday March 30, 2016
11:00 PM EDT
CharterTechSLC
Mar 30 @ 11:00 PM EDT
Oh Yeah....It's that time! Tune In.
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#edtech
https://t.co/HJDGHbsw0R
profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 10:51 PM EDT
#UTEdChat
starting in ten minutes! Topic: Critical Thinking in Classrooms! Looking forward to hearing from everyone!
SkylockSocial
Mar 30 @ 11:02 PM EDT
HaHa.....Bobby & I are with CharterTech. Great to be here for another
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mbutterfield
Mar 30 @ 11:02 PM EDT
Misty, Elementary Tech Specialist, checking in
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covili
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:03 PM EDT
Good to be with everyone in
#utedchat
Jared from UEN here. Go JAZZ!
profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:03 PM EDT
Welcome
@SkylockSocial
-- Glad not everyone is watching
@TEDTalks
on PBS tonight!
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CharterTechSLC
Mar 30 @ 11:03 PM EDT
Where is Everybody?
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mrlewisyoung
Mar 30 @ 11:03 PM EDT
Lewis Young, Fourth grade at Riverview in Saratoga Springs, UT.
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:04 PM EDT
Hurrah
@mbutterfield
,
@covili
,
@mrlewisyoung
! Thanks for joining in ... was starting to wonder if it was something I said.
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covili
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:05 PM EDT
@profbutcher
@mbutterfield
@mrlewisyoung
Just a little divided attention, but always good to be part of
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:06 PM EDT
Kirsten Butcher from
@UUtah
@IDETProgram
. I teach learning with tech, tech integration, and human computer interaction.
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FarrBfarr
Mar 30 @ 11:06 PM EDT
Brady Farr, AlpineSD Instructional Coach-excited to collaborate
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:06 PM EDT
Welcome,
@FarrBfarr
! Glad you are here!
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Chronicbeard
Mar 30 @ 11:07 PM EDT
Ben Smith here, finally back from long term sickness / vacation... It's been a while! Missed UCET too :(
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:07 PM EDT
Sorry you missed a great
#UCET16
,
@Chronicbeard
... but glad you are here tonight!
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covili
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:08 PM EDT
@Chronicbeard
We missed you at
#ucet16
Ben - gone, but not forgotten.
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lars3eb
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:08 PM EDT
Hey all, Derek, 5th grade from
@washk12
chiming in to
#UTedChat
a little late tonight. Sorry about that
@profButcher
, please don't dock me.
ks_parsons
Mar 30 @ 11:09 PM EDT
Kim here, South Sevier Middle School teacher & tech site specialist, going to try to multitask… homework, Jazz and
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:09 PM EDT
You arrived just in time for the first question,
@lars3eb
!
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:09 PM EDT
Q1: What do you see as key critical thinking skills that your students should learn?
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lars3eb
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:09 PM EDT
@profbutcher
That's what I call perfect timing!
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lars3eb
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:10 PM EDT
@Chronicbeard
Glad you're feeling better Ben!
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brianrozinsky
Mar 30 @ 11:10 PM EDT
Joining
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already in progress, I'm Brian; I teach MS s's English in CO.
profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:11 PM EDT
Glad you are here,
@ks_parsons
! Multitasking is the new normal, right?!
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lars3eb
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:11 PM EDT
@SkylockSocial
I'm *always* late no matter how many reminders I set! I need to fix that though.
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SkylockSocial
Mar 30 @ 11:12 PM EDT
Q1 Digital Citizenship, Safe Technology Use.
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covili
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:12 PM EDT
A1 I think students need to learn how to find and interpret information. Make connections and assess data.
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FarrBfarr
Mar 30 @ 11:12 PM EDT
A1- Analyzing-ability to explain their reasoning/thinking
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mrlewisyoung
Mar 30 @ 11:12 PM EDT
A1: I want Ss to be able to "debug" their work. Can they make a mistake and then learn from the experience?
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covili
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:13 PM EDT
@mrlewisyoung
Love the idea of “debugging” in learning. Just trying to get the kinks out!
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mbutterfield
Mar 30 @ 11:13 PM EDT
A1: Problem solving for sure -- and how to digest the information needed.
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lars3eb
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:13 PM EDT
A1 Inference, analysis, evaluation, and explanation.
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:13 PM EDT
A1: I'm very interested in how students determine how and when they have enough evidence to make a conclusion.
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CharterTechSLC
Mar 30 @ 11:13 PM EDT
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A1 Only deal with those they know on the Internet. Critical Consuming...
HCraigPritchard
Mar 30 @ 11:13 PM EDT
Craig joining a bit late. Just got back to Utah from a 3-day Idaho excursion.
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FarrBfarr
Mar 30 @ 11:13 PM EDT
@mrlewisyoung
Growth mindset- don't have it yet- but WILL :)
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mrlewisyoung
Mar 30 @ 11:14 PM EDT
This is huge. One of the big science ILOs is to consume and create science materials. Huge.
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https://t.co/2uGP1QR58p
covili
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:12 PM EDT
A1 I think students need to learn how to find and interpret information. Make connections and assess data.
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covili
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:14 PM EDT
@CharterTechSLC
Like that phrase - critical consuming. Great concept.
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lars3eb
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:14 PM EDT
@SkylockSocial
How could I forget my favorite
#DigCit
? And
@AliceKeeler
would be so upset I forgot Search!
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MsMooreELP4
Mar 30 @ 11:14 PM EDT
LATE but I have a note
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:14 PM EDT
A1: Also am interested in how students determine what info they need to evaluate claims. How do they dispute junk "facts?"
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covili
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:15 PM EDT
@HCraigPritchard
I thought you’d just been busy watching the NIT!
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HCraigPritchard
Mar 30 @ 11:15 PM EDT
A1: problem solving, perseverance through challenging or complex issues. Can I say common sense also? ;-)
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brianrozinsky
Mar 30 @ 11:15 PM EDT
A1 All my thoughts lumping under umbrella of 'accurate evaluation': credibility of research info, quality of own and others' work
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Chronicbeard
Mar 30 @ 11:15 PM EDT
A1: I would say knowing how to ask a quality question.
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FarrBfarr
Mar 30 @ 11:16 PM EDT
A1
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https://t.co/gAUUjagLH2
lars3eb
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:16 PM EDT
@HCraigPritchard
You should totally say Common Sense because *too many* people don't have it!
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:16 PM EDT
.
@Chronicbeard
Yes! I think knowing what questions to ask in order to advance your thinking is crucial!
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ks_parsons
Mar 30 @ 11:16 PM EDT
A1 - I teach Reading, so for me, inference and interpretation are extremely important skills!
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lars3eb
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:16 PM EDT
@FarrBfarr
That image looks really familiar. Looks like we stumbled on the same website.
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FarrBfarr
Mar 30 @ 11:17 PM EDT
@HCraigPritchard
Perseverance is HUGE!
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brianrozinsky
Mar 30 @ 11:17 PM EDT
@profbutcher
Weigh sources? Counter with competing facts of varying value?
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Chronicbeard
Mar 30 @ 11:17 PM EDT
A1: Also good to see if Ss can apply a process to solving a problem. Design thinking, scientific method, critical analysis.
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mbutterfield
Mar 30 @ 11:17 PM EDT
A1: and communication
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FarrBfarr
Mar 30 @ 11:18 PM EDT
@lars3eb
Great minds... or in my case, tired minds think alike
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mbutterfield
Mar 30 @ 11:18 PM EDT
@mbutterfield
Verbal and Written communication
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:18 PM EDT
Q2: What does critical thinking look & sound like in your classroom? What do you look and listen for?
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CharterTechSLC
Mar 30 @ 11:18 PM EDT
Problem-Solving is a needed skill. I tell my techs to call the help desk or Google it, first.
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https://t.co/4HhOIXzSdd
mrlewisyoung
Mar 30 @ 11:12 PM EDT
A1: I want Ss to be able to "debug" their work. Can they make a mistake and then learn from the experience?
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lars3eb
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:18 PM EDT
I'm guessing
@downrightdave
is busy watching the
@UtahJazz
play right now. They're not quite done yet.
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mrlewisyoung
Mar 30 @ 11:19 PM EDT
A1: In conversations I try to have students either connect, agree, disagree, restate, or ask a question. Dialogue often follows.
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MsMooreELP4
Mar 30 @ 11:19 PM EDT
Mathematical practice #1 make sense of and persevere in problem solving
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brianrozinsky
Mar 30 @ 11:19 PM EDT
@ks_parsons
I 2nd that. Integral part of process is propping up analysis w/in-text specifics. Here's what I think & why.
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covili
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:19 PM EDT
@profbutcher
@Chronicbeard
Quality questioning is a huge factor in learning. My question - can the Jazz hold on?!
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SkylockSocial
Mar 30 @ 11:19 PM EDT
@mbutterfield
Right. And, ability to identify the source of info.
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downrightdave
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:19 PM EDT
@lars3eb
this game is crazy! Come on Jazz!
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lars3eb
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:19 PM EDT
A2 Critical thinking is NOT quiet. It sounds like asking questions, discussing w/ neighbors, breaking wrong assumptions.
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yorgus
Mar 30 @ 11:20 PM EDT
@SkylockSocial
@mbutterfield
And evaluate the source of info.
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lars3eb
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:20 PM EDT
A2 I like to see Ss working together as well as taking time to reflect on their learning. Gotta have noise & less noise.
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:20 PM EDT
A2: I love to hear students disagree if they can back up their critique with quality evidence!
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FarrBfarr
Mar 30 @ 11:21 PM EDT
@profbutcher
A2- "Accountable Talk"- discussion among Ss
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mbutterfield
Mar 30 @ 11:21 PM EDT
A2: Sounds like collaboration, and can look pretty messy or off task. Not all Ts can handle it.
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lars3eb
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:21 PM EDT
@mrlewisyoung
I like to teach them Talk-Argument so they can see it's okay to disagree, but to do so respectfully.
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Chronicbeard
Mar 30 @ 11:22 PM EDT
A2: I look & listen for passionate argumentation, metacognition (time to think), discussing ideas with reasoning.
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mrlewisyoung
Mar 30 @ 11:22 PM EDT
@lars3eb
Do you use footage from any of the GOP debates as non-examples?
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lars3eb
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:22 PM EDT
@yorgus
@SkylockSocial
@mbutterfield
But if it's on the Internet it's okay, right? Everything on there is legit.
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brianrozinsky
Mar 30 @ 11:22 PM EDT
@profbutcher
Dialogue mixing statements & questions, especially open-ended ones. Respectful disagreement. Thoughtful justification
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:22 PM EDT
A2: Also like to hear students take time to consider others' ideas & expand on them (maybe, what if), rather than reject outright.
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DaniKSloan
Mar 30 @ 11:22 PM EDT
Hello there! Dani from UEN checking in a bit late.
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ks_parsons
Mar 30 @ 11:22 PM EDT
@FarrBfarr
@profbutcher
Love this!
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lars3eb
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:23 PM EDT
@mrlewisyoung
I avoid showing them those kinds of non-examples b/c I don't want to have to require permission slips for the awful!
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:23 PM EDT
@DaniKSloan
Glad you could make it! We were sad without you!
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MsMooreELP4
Mar 30 @ 11:23 PM EDT
A2 claims must be supported not just asserted
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Chronicbeard
Mar 30 @ 11:23 PM EDT
@mrlewisyoung
I like the idea of making them choose a path to engage discussion.
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mbutterfield
Mar 30 @ 11:23 PM EDT
Hey Dani! Congrats on the election!
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#ucet16
lars3eb
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:23 PM EDT
@profbutcher
I have actually awarded partial credit for test questions if the *wrong* answer was defended well enough.
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SkylockSocial
Mar 30 @ 11:24 PM EDT
@lars3eb
Lack of Knowledge is No Excuse. Like Plagiarism from Cutting & Pasting. That's a NoNo.
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covili
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:24 PM EDT
A2 Love how students can get credit for their process in solving math problems. We need more of this idea everywhere else.
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FarrBfarr
Mar 30 @ 11:24 PM EDT
@ks_parsons
@profbutcher
I've seen it be a powerful tool to guiding conversations in classrooms
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brianrozinsky
Mar 30 @ 11:24 PM EDT
@lars3eb
@yorgus
@SkylockSocial
@mbutterfield
Increasingly turns out there are varying degrees/standards of legit ;)
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ks_parsons
Mar 30 @ 11:25 PM EDT
A2 - It sounds a lot like chaos for me! I struggle with it a little. Sorry to admit, but I like a quiet classroom. Middle school!
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FarrBfarr
Mar 30 @ 11:25 PM EDT
@MsMooreELP4
Supporting claims is huge... citing evidence from text, etc.
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mrlewisyoung
Mar 30 @ 11:25 PM EDT
A2: I wish I had the skills of the teacher in this documentary. Watch it during your next free 40 minutes.
https://t.co/KgAeCYThJk
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Chronicbeard
Mar 30 @ 11:25 PM EDT
@lars3eb
Reflection is key to any critical process. I forget to give Ss space and time to reflect.
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:25 PM EDT
.
@covili
As one who codes learning processes from verbal data, I believe in power of process but so hard to track & document!
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DaniKSloan
Mar 30 @ 11:26 PM EDT
A2: Critical thinking looks different for every student & each group, but I like to look for students asking each other questions.
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brianrozinsky
Mar 30 @ 11:26 PM EDT
@covili
Like it! Also see oodles of room for capacity building in guiding learners to unpack their processes w/depth & clarity
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covili
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:26 PM EDT
Can’t give the same guy two shots in a row?!@ Come on Jazz - argh! I know what bad defense looks like!
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:26 PM EDT
Q3: What aspects of critical thinking do you find students struggle with most? To what extent does this vary by topic or domain?
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MsMooreELP4
Mar 30 @ 11:26 PM EDT
A2 part 2: I teach my students the 8 mathematical practices, then the scientific method, and then the mighty writing process
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ks_parsons
Mar 30 @ 11:27 PM EDT
Q - Can Steph Curry be stopped?
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SkylockSocial
Mar 30 @ 11:27 PM EDT
A2 Ss helping Ss, and lots of Google.
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lars3eb
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:27 PM EDT
@mrlewisyoung
Wow, I just go sucked in for a few mins. Where did you find that?
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covili
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:28 PM EDT
A3 Two parts of critical thinking students struggle with - 1. Critical 2. Thinking.
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MsMooreELP4
Mar 30 @ 11:28 PM EDT
A2 pt. 3: then they analyze and synthesisize them and soon discover the commonalities across the disciplines for problem solving
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FarrBfarr
Mar 30 @ 11:28 PM EDT
A3- Explaining their reasoning/thinking process
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lars3eb
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:28 PM EDT
@Chronicbeard
I often do to, but sometimes they remind me and then we take the time for it. Def need more reflection time!
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CharterTechSLC
Mar 30 @ 11:28 PM EDT
A2 I tend to teach the Ts & they mostly work by themselves to figure out and customize things.
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Chronicbeard
Mar 30 @ 11:28 PM EDT
If only they had taken the time to think critically about it, eh?
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https://t.co/8Np2rWEU8s
covili
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:26 PM EDT
Can’t give the same guy two shots in a row?!@ Come on Jazz - argh! I know what bad defense looks like!
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DaniKSloan
Mar 30 @ 11:29 PM EDT
A3: I find that students can easily get hung up on obstacles. Thinking through (and sometimes around) problems is difficult!
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FarrBfarr
Mar 30 @ 11:29 PM EDT
@covili
More truth than not with that comment
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ks_parsons
Mar 30 @ 11:29 PM EDT
@covili
My thoughts exactly. 1. Middle 2 School
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mrlewisyoung
Mar 30 @ 11:29 PM EDT
@lars3eb
I saw it at a PD through BYU and the district called Associates. That teacher has some guts.
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MsMooreELP4
Mar 30 @ 11:29 PM EDT
A3 my Ss get distracted by too many "WHAT IF" variables
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:30 PM EDT
@FarrBfarr
Agreed! I find students have a hard time providing the rationale for their thinking and using evidence effectively
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brianrozinsky
Mar 30 @ 11:30 PM EDT
A3 That part where adult me sees value in metacognitive reflection? Teen me wasn't quite ready to consume that Kool-Aid...
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mbutterfield
Mar 30 @ 11:30 PM EDT
@covili
Agreed. Sad to see Ss give up so easily with a problem.
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lars3eb
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:30 PM EDT
@mrlewisyoung
I'll have to go back and watch it after
#UTedChat
ends b/c it looks amazing!
Chronicbeard
Mar 30 @ 11:30 PM EDT
A3: Ss struggle when they fear failure or being judged. Also when judged on product or outcome of thinking rather than process.
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blaireinfeldt
Mar 30 @ 11:30 PM EDT
@ks_parsons
Need to box out and stop Klay Thompson. Would be an interesting Q for a PBL.
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:30 PM EDT
.
@DaniKSloan
Yes! Also, real life inquiry means that data isn't perfect. Have to decide when that is and is not a deal breaker.
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brianrozinsky
Mar 30 @ 11:31 PM EDT
A3, pt. 2 Many minds, especially school-age ones, crave certainty over uncertainty.
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FarrBfarr
Mar 30 @ 11:31 PM EDT
@mbutterfield
@covili
If they were all like the little engine that could... I think I can, I think I can
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covili
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:32 PM EDT
@blaireinfeldt
@ks_parsons
I knew the hoops mixed with PBL would bring Blair out tonight!
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mrlewisyoung
Mar 30 @ 11:32 PM EDT
@lars3eb
It'll change how you deal with how Ss deal with rough situations, and encourage them to defend their positions.
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yorgus
Mar 30 @ 11:32 PM EDT
@brianrozinsky
Many minds indeed. Certainly not limited to middle school kids.
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mbutterfield
Mar 30 @ 11:32 PM EDT
@FarrBfarr
AND if there was enough time in the day to let Ss struggle through...
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:33 PM EDT
.
@Chronicbeard
I think years of canned science get in the way. Students think need to guess "secret" answer, not reason on own
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mrlewisyoung
Mar 30 @ 11:34 PM EDT
A3: My Ss come in struggling to ask good questions.
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lars3eb
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:34 PM EDT
I know a number of adults who also struggle with those same 2 parts of Critical Thinking!
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https://t.co/hZ0KF2rIpi
covili
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:28 PM EDT
A3 Two parts of critical thinking students struggle with - 1. Critical 2. Thinking.
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tbarnlrn
Mar 30 @ 11:35 PM EDT
@mbutterfield
@FarrBfarr
I stuggle giving Ss time to struggle as much as they need. I let myself feel the pressure of time.
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lars3eb
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:35 PM EDT
@mbutterfield
@covili
That's why it's so important to help them develop a
#GrowthMindset
so they can learn to persevere!
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covili
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:35 PM EDT
I think one reason some students struggle with critical thinking is we don’t ask them to do it often.
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MsMooreELP4
Mar 30 @ 11:36 PM EDT
I like to give the answer and let them figure out the question. This provides for development of process
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:36 PM EDT
@mrlewisyoung
I created an assessment on what questions good 4 critical thinking. Ss bombing it -- need to figure out new lesson
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FarrBfarr
Mar 30 @ 11:36 PM EDT
@tbarnlrn
@mbutterfield
Anyone have any secrets when dealing with the "time" issue? What is the resolution?
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:36 PM EDT
Q4: What current tools/activities do you use for teaching critical thinking skills? What tips do you have for using them?
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DaniKSloan
Mar 30 @ 11:37 PM EDT
@covili
True! We can be too focused on rushing to what's next and fitting everything in. We give out answers and move on.
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FarrBfarr
Mar 30 @ 11:37 PM EDT
@covili
We could probably all improve with asking various levels of DOK questions
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Chronicbeard
Mar 30 @ 11:37 PM EDT
@profbutcher
I tried working more on writing hypotheses for future research and Ss seem to really like that.
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mbutterfield
Mar 30 @ 11:37 PM EDT
@FarrBfarr
@tbarnlrn
Less mandated testing
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brianrozinsky
Mar 30 @ 11:37 PM EDT
@covili
Diff't pitfall for me: I ask them to do it, but don't always prepare them for how to do it well. Stepping stones needed!
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JimSarto
Mar 30 @ 11:38 PM EDT
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It's all about quality, not quantity
covili
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:38 PM EDT
@brianrozinsky
Really good point Brian - good intentions need proper preparation.
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mrlewisyoung
Mar 30 @ 11:38 PM EDT
A4: I believe an inquiry approach can push Ss towards critical thinking, but one experience is not enough. Needs to be whole year.
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JimSarto
Mar 30 @ 11:38 PM EDT
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A4: Flipped classroom
SkylockSocial
Mar 30 @ 11:38 PM EDT
A4: Stressing the importance of providing a resource, link or reference to support an assumption.
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ks_parsons
Mar 30 @ 11:39 PM EDT
@blaireinfeldt
@covili
I actually love my 7th graders, they are just different beasts is all :) 6th? "Calgon take me away!”
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lars3eb
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:39 PM EDT
@mrlewisyoung
Or even asking ANY questions sometimes! I love this poster for that very reason!
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https://t.co/XgyoSMZXI6
MsMooreELP4
Mar 30 @ 11:39 PM EDT
A4 Socratic circles, shared inquiry, CCE Calculation, computation, explanation, debate
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FarrBfarr
Mar 30 @ 11:39 PM EDT
A4
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CharterTechSLC
Mar 30 @ 11:40 PM EDT
A4: SNOPES ;-) No, I just provide basics in safe tech use to the Ts, who pass it along to the Ss.
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lars3eb
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:40 PM EDT
@tbarnlrn
@mbutterfield
@FarrBfarr
I hate that I often have to cut off their "struggle time" as well.
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Chronicbeard
Mar 30 @ 11:40 PM EDT
@profbutcher
@mrlewisyoung
would love to see the lesson. Why do they "bomb" it?
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mbutterfield
Mar 30 @ 11:40 PM EDT
A4: I heard a great idea at
#UCET16
. Ss use Google Form question types to write different questions for peers on a concept.
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:40 PM EDT
.
@mrlewisyoung
Absolutely! Authentic inquiry= real experience in critical thinking. But takes time to learn & patience w/ failure.
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mrlewisyoung
Mar 30 @ 11:40 PM EDT
@Chronicbeard
@profbutcher
Wondering the same thing.
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brianrozinsky
Mar 30 @ 11:40 PM EDT
@FarrBfarr
@tbarnlrn
@mbutterfield
Select the proverbial golf balls... i.e. Prioritize what matters.
https://t.co/mZxTk4OWg4
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FarrBfarr
Mar 30 @ 11:40 PM EDT
@mbutterfield
@tbarnlrn
That would be nice, but don't know if it's going away anytime soon
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mrlewisyoung
Mar 30 @ 11:41 PM EDT
@profbutcher
Takes time to learn & patience w/ failure on both sides; Ss and Ts.
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:41 PM EDT
@Chronicbeard
@mrlewisyoung
Why indeed? Currently set of inquiry-based investigations. But students having tough time w/ transfer
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BaggaleyMr
Mar 30 @ 11:42 PM EDT
I love this resource
https://t.co/Ze6HGbWqFX
it's a hybrid of DOK and blooms
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FarrBfarr
Mar 30 @ 11:42 PM EDT
@brianrozinsky
@tbarnlrn
@mbutterfield
Good point-making sure essential standards are identified/intervened for
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tbarnlrn
Mar 30 @ 11:42 PM EDT
@FarrBfarr
Prof exp. helps. In the long run, shoving info down Ss throats less efficient than giving time. Take the long view.
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mrlewisyoung
Mar 30 @ 11:42 PM EDT
@profbutcher
@Chronicbeard
Sounds like a fun project.
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lars3eb
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:42 PM EDT
I feel like this is becoming the answer to more & more in Education! Need to allow time for REAL growth!
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https://t.co/CmQuni3uqq
mbutterfield
Mar 30 @ 11:37 PM EDT
@FarrBfarr
@tbarnlrn
Less mandated testing
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DaniKSloan
Mar 30 @ 11:42 PM EDT
A4: Actively modeling problem solving, thinking aloud, group brainstorming, PBL, Genius Hour.
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:43 PM EDT
@mrlewisyoung
Agreed! Inquiry is almost more learning from failure than success. Easy answers never make good science.
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Chronicbeard
Mar 30 @ 11:44 PM EDT
A4: In CS I have collab groups work to solve problems with pseudocode - then immediately share. Passionate discussions result.
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lars3eb
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:45 PM EDT
@profbutcher
@mrlewisyoung
And we don't really value things that are easy & don't require effort. We need to push Ss to struggle!
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mrlewisyoung
Mar 30 @ 11:45 PM EDT
How quickly do we forget about modeling? Modeled a lesson recently; most powerful lesson in a while
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https://t.co/HC8lpRBqY2
DaniKSloan
Mar 30 @ 11:42 PM EDT
A4: Actively modeling problem solving, thinking aloud, group brainstorming, PBL, Genius Hour.
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brianrozinsky
Mar 30 @ 11:45 PM EDT
A4 Mired in messy transfer of power -- students making more, me making less. More S choice both to show learning & to justify.
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:45 PM EDT
A4:
@NHMU
has series of investigations for inquiry learning w/ 3D scans of museum objects Free, online:
https://t.co/Ox7vwfDHM9
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:46 PM EDT
Q5: Students often have difficulty understanding strong vs. weak evidence. How do you help students evaluate quality of evidence?
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Chronicbeard
Mar 30 @ 11:47 PM EDT
@profbutcher
@NHMU
isn't one of the
@IDETProgram
groups doing that this year?
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:48 PM EDT
@Chronicbeard
@NHMU
One
@IDETProgram
group doing modules that to teach true inquiry lessons in general. Research quests separate
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BaggaleyMr
Mar 30 @ 11:49 PM EDT
A5 Having my students come up with the criteria of what is strong and good evidence. Makes good discussion
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:49 PM EDT
@Chronicbeard
@NHMU
One
@IDETProgram
group doing modules to teach high-qual inquiry lessons in general. Research quests separate.
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SkylockSocial
Mar 30 @ 11:49 PM EDT
Q5 Ability to distinguish quality sources, i.e. primary vs. secondary, peer-reviewed articles vs wiki or blogs.
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mrlewisyoung
Mar 30 @ 11:49 PM EDT
A5: I spend so much time trying to get Ss to get evidence at all... eval it seems higher level... hadn't thought about eval...
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ddraper
Mar 30 @ 11:49 PM EDT
Interesting
#utedchat
topic today, moderated by
@profbutcher
! The key to teaching critical thinking is to question more, solve less.
FarrBfarr
Mar 30 @ 11:49 PM EDT
A5 Modeling for Ss/analyzing
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covili
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:49 PM EDT
A5 Peer review is one strategy for evaluating argument and evidence.
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brianrozinsky
Mar 30 @ 11:49 PM EDT
A5 Many modes of modeling. Highlight exemplars, but also dismantle them, making evidence weaker. Take scrawny examples, bulk em up
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mrlewisyoung
Mar 30 @ 11:50 PM EDT
@ddraper
@profbutcher
Or is it?
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MsMooreELP4
Mar 30 @ 11:50 PM EDT
I like to play a game called Sir-tan-oogle . Must respond like SIRI or Cortana or google.
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ddraper
Mar 30 @ 11:51 PM EDT
Well played.
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https://t.co/GpVQGgnwMV
mrlewisyoung
Mar 30 @ 11:50 PM EDT
@ddraper
@profbutcher
Or is it?
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:51 PM EDT
@mrlewisyoung
One of my studies: w/out training, over 70% student "evaluation" of ideas lack evidence Attn to evidence good start!
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Chronicbeard
Mar 30 @ 11:52 PM EDT
A5: Evaluating sources / evidence is difficult. Students don't want to struggle, they want it to work first time.
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brianrozinsky
Mar 30 @ 11:52 PM EDT
@mrlewisyoung
@ddraper
@profbutcher
I dream of a synergistic yin-yang cycle of questions & solutions leading to better of both.
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missplott
Mar 30 @ 11:52 PM EDT
Gah! Totally forgot about
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tonight. First day back from spring break on a Wednesday?! Totally throwing me off.
mrlewisyoung
Mar 30 @ 11:52 PM EDT
@profbutcher
Srsly. This is exactly the conversation I need to have Ss. They need a "why" for evidence. Evaluation may be the key
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MsMooreELP4
Mar 30 @ 11:52 PM EDT
A5 source, date, variables affecting said evidence, length of evidence, ability to concisely tag it
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BaggaleyMr
Mar 30 @ 11:53 PM EDT
@Chronicbeard
A5 so true! How do we get them to make it important?
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:53 PM EDT
Q6: The Internet era prioritizes information search & quick decisions. How do we help students be more reflective & data-driven?
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FarrBfarr
Mar 30 @ 11:54 PM EDT
@Chronicbeard
Motto for some "if you don't succeed quit/don't be a fool about it" - Must create culture to take risks!
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MsMooreELP4
Mar 30 @ 11:54 PM EDT
Play website detective to reveal phony sites
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mrlewisyoung
Mar 30 @ 11:54 PM EDT
@brianrozinsky
@ddraper
@profbutcher
Kind of like how the more you learn, the more you realize you're dumb. Maybe that's just me
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brianrozinsky
Mar 30 @ 11:54 PM EDT
@profbutcher
@mrlewisyoung
Has research revealed effective training moves to foster attention to evidence?
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ks_parsons
Mar 30 @ 11:54 PM EDT
@BaggaleyMr
I need to try that! I struggle with the same problem as
@mrlewisyoung
Hard for me to answer this question.
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:55 PM EDT
Had to slip in Q6 ... always keep my classes until the very end. (Yes, I am *that* professor. Can't change my ways now!)
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Chronicbeard
Mar 30 @ 11:55 PM EDT
Maybe if we make the audience more impressive - presenting ideas to experts can motivate proper evidence.
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https://t.co/vDtJNjansE
BaggaleyMr
Mar 30 @ 11:53 PM EDT
@Chronicbeard
A5 so true! How do we get them to make it important?
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MsMooreELP4
Mar 30 @ 11:55 PM EDT
A6 Do not over emphasize quantitative over qualitative
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mrlewisyoung
Mar 30 @ 11:55 PM EDT
@profbutcher
citation to this study? I'd love to read it.
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covili
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:55 PM EDT
A6 We need to set the example by being more reflective ourselves.
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:55 PM EDT
@brianrozinsky
@mrlewisyoung
Yes. Good evidence that specific attention to critical thinking skills can support better usage.
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brianrozinsky
Mar 30 @ 11:56 PM EDT
@mrlewisyoung
@ddraper
@profbutcher
"Definitely not just you," responds Brian dumbly.
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ddraper
Mar 30 @ 11:56 PM EDT
A6: We must provide students with far more authentic opportunities to practice reflection and critical analysis.
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Chronicbeard
Mar 30 @ 11:56 PM EDT
A6: take time to construct knowledge, questions, and ideas prior to investigation then revise?
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DaniKSloan
Mar 30 @ 11:56 PM EDT
A6: We need to teach Ss how to evaluate resources and data. Also, we can engage Ss by teaching them to collect their own data.
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FarrBfarr
Mar 30 @ 11:56 PM EDT
@Chronicbeard
Purpose and meaningful audience- game changer
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mrlewisyoung
Mar 30 @ 11:57 PM EDT
Totally did a spit take when I read this.
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https://t.co/AS1xEhFoO3
brianrozinsky
Mar 30 @ 11:56 PM EDT
@mrlewisyoung
@ddraper
@profbutcher
"Definitely not just you," responds Brian dumbly.
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:57 PM EDT
A6: Was surprised by how many students want to decide instantly. Trying to teach them to document/review evidence BEFORE deciding.
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BaggaleyMr
Mar 30 @ 11:58 PM EDT
A6: Self assessment is a must for Ss
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brianrozinsky
Mar 30 @ 11:58 PM EDT
@profbutcher
@mrlewisyoung
Simple as modeling & naming (think-aloud style) or noticing in others & labeling transparently?
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MsMooreELP4
Mar 30 @ 11:58 PM EDT
https://t.co/wQL5CxM8CY
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Let them talk.
MsMooreELP4
Mar 30 @ 11:58 PM EDT
https://t.co/Xxsy00DSWD
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Let them talk.
covili
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:58 PM EDT
Great
#utedchat
everyone. Thanks to
@profbutcher
for moderating. Next week
@mrlewisyoung
takes the reigns. See you then!
lars3eb
- Moderator
Mar 30 @ 11:58 PM EDT
Sorry for being a little distracted, but I just found out I was accepted to the
@Raspberry_Pi
#Picademy
next month! Super stoked!
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Chronicbeard
Mar 30 @ 11:59 PM EDT
@profbutcher
- Thanks for a great chat tonight. I appreciate the discussion and insights from all!
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mrlewisyoung
Mar 30 @ 11:59 PM EDT
A6: Goal setting and debriefs. Shocked at how effective.
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profbutcher
Mar 30 @ 11:59 PM EDT
@mrlewisyoung
Haven't published it yet. My collaborator gave me a hard time today about getting our data out!
#needwritingtime
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