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Welcome to #edchat. Topic: How do we identify kids who “fall through the cracks”? Do the quiet, cooperative and compliant kids get the attention they need?
Today's #Edchat Topic: How do we identify kids who “fall through the cracks”? Do the quiet, cooperative and compliant kids get the attention they need?
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Tonight's #Edchat topic: How do we identify kids who "fall through the cracks"? Do the quiet, cooperative and compliant kids get the attention they need?
Welcome to #edchat Topic: How do we identify kids who “fall through the cracks”? Do the quiet, cooperative and compliant kids get the attention they need?
Welcome to #edchat. Topic: How do we identify kids who “fall through the cracks”? Do the quiet, cooperative and compliant kids get the attention they need?
Unfortunately, a lot of times the lower third get all of our attention. The middle of the road and top kids sadly don’t rank. That’s why we need to design lessons that engage and push all learners where they are #edchat
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This is rarely discussed. Whether quiet or outspoken, kids need to be given appreciation for their own unique qualities. Too often those quiet students are forgotten because they are quiet. #edchat
Now underway -> #edchat Topic: How do we identify kids who “fall through the cracks”? Do the quiet, cooperative and compliant kids get the attention they need?
Tonite’s question is pretty provocative because, almost by definition, the compliant kids fall thru the cracks because so much energy and attention goes to the other students. Need to change #edchat
Hi, #edchat friends! I'm a literacy coach and international literacy consultant based in Tokyo. I'm happy to be here and learn with all of you while discussing such an important topic.
During a day-long event recently in Washington, D.C., educators and researchers tried getting to the bottom of the #edresearch issue, which they summed up as a translation problem. Here's what EdSurge found: https://t.co/i6xGn5wo8t#edchat
Some suggestions: to catch the kids falling thru: read body language, support S who lack self-confidence, how are S treating each other? We need to build confidence of S so they feel comfortable to get out of their “shell.” #edchat
I really like keeping my 6th grade class for most of the day because it gives me more of a chance to get to know and appreciate the quieter students. #edchat
I’m not sure taking advantage is the best way to put it. Perhaps we make too many assumptions about these kids. Either way, they don’t get their needs met often in the traditional system #edchat
Engaging kids is an intentional teacher activity ... often as we present lessons we are tossing info at the kids but never really talking with the kids. Hard to get to all the kids when do bell work, instruction, Answer questions, ... and handle behavior #edchat
I'm an ESOL T, and I see SO MANY OF MY Ss (quiet, compliant ones) fall through the cracks. Then, suddenly, we have EMERGENCIES in 4th and 5th b/c those concerns were ignored K-3. #Edchat
I needed more attention if the intent of school is more than doing the work. I stopped caring in high school. I did what I had to do and just wanted out. But I was quiet. #EdChat
A huge piece of ensuring that kids don't "fall through the cracks" is building relationships. It's all about relationships. Talk to kids. LISTEN to them—really listen. Follow-up on conversations. Show kids they matter. https://t.co/7Bv59Wtn8z#edchat
Interesting. I think when I was in HS the intent was just to do the work. I cared for my own personal reasons, but it seemed like many Ss wanted out. #Edchat
Let's be honest. In current system of education the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF STUDENTS FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS...dropouts, undereducated, inadequately accommodated, etc. System works reasonably well for on 1 in 3 students. #edchat@tomwhitby@blairteach@sgthomas1973@HarveyAlvy1
So we are defining kids who handle the work with minimal supervision as “falling through the cracks” one could argue they are taking control of their learning. #edchat
Much of this topic relates to connecting with students. I’ve found that watching body language as kids enter the room and sit down can tell us much about their day and their attitudes. #edchat
It was always a challenge for me to not share a suggestion and simply listen in order to build the relationships that would be the foundation of future discussions. #edchat
Hello #edchat from SF, CA! I learned from a Veteran teacher to encourage shy or compliant students to run for tutoring or class officer positions as a way for those kids to both (1) Get practice socializing & being in the limelight & (2) Earn public pats on the back & attention.
Good point: What does it mean to fall through the cracks? If they’ve met what goals? And what IS your goal? What’s the kid’s? If it’s just to graduate, or even if it’s college, how do you determine whether that kid’s educational (and other) needs are being served? #EdChat
I find, at least in ES, that most kids don't really want to be unseen. Those kids want you to work to "see" them. If you put in the time, you must really care. Just my experience. #Edchat
Since I have done away with direction instruction and into classroom based activities I get to spend more time with the kids chatting about their learning on a more individual basis #edchat
Let's be honest. In current system of education despite our best efforts the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF STUDENTS FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS...dropouts, undereducated, inadequately accommodated, etc. System works reasonably well for on 1 in 3 students. #edchat@DennisDill@Shapiro_WTHS
@ELKissner. You are so right. Need to see the kids who are quiet. They don’t seek attention. Is it lack of self-confidence? Being criticized too often? Home issues? Other students. Building confidence is critical. #edchat
A practical tip: provide variety in how Ss can respond. @Flipgrid videos are great for this. I have had Ss who never speak in whole class discussions light up on video. Silent discussions (Google Classroom, gallery walks on chart paper, etc.) work well, too. #edchat
Sorry strange typo ... do bell work ... many teachers do bell work at the beginning of class while they take attendance ... usually a review of past material #edchat
I love this book & I read it to my 5th graders every year. I tell them I am like a “Borrower” (from another great book) & if I find students in the cracks or under the floor, I’ll give them jobs or get them involved in a club so they don’t stay there, forgotten. #edchat
and teachers...... #edchat There are quiet teachers who go about their business taking care of students in a quiet, uncelebrated way....are AWESOME....the kids know it, but the rest of the staff doesn't. How would we know? Do we shine the spotlight on them?
That's not how I'm defining it at all. I am defining it as Ss who have needs but they are not receiving support b/c they are quiet in class until OH MY GOSH THIS KID CAN'T #Edchat
I think the key is knowing each student individually to prevent from falling through the cracks, academically and socially. Quiet kids may not speak up for fear of looking stupid and behavioural students will act out in fear of looking stupid. Great Topic #edchat
I needed more attention if the intent of school is more than doing the work. I stopped caring in high school. I did what I had to do and just wanted out. But I was quiet. #EdChat
This is one of the many things that I love about the workshop model. The heart of workshop is conferring—getting to know kids and responding to their unique needs. https://t.co/sWLRNXxMiw#edchat
Ouch! I’m not sure I buy “overwhelming majority” fall through the cracks. I’d put it more at 2 in 3 that it works reasonably well — but failing 1/3 is horrid! #edchat
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@ShiftParadigm, @tomwhitby, @sgthomas1973, @HarveyAlvy1
Watched a rehearsal for winter sing & focused on the kids who were the quiet ones, or the rowdy ones and saw they found their voice in the sing. We need to see the kids for who they are. Take time to know them #edchat
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@mssackstein, @ShiftParadigm, @tomwhitby, @HarveyAlvy1, @wmchamberlain, @blairteach, @valerietilton, @RitaWirtz, @DerekRhodenizer
@sgthomas1973 Think about it, many high schoolers and middle schoolers don’t want to be noticed. We have to use the art and craft of teaching…It really is an art to build relationships. And it’s great when students respond positively. HUMOR HELPS. #edchat
Interesting. I think when I was in HS the intent was just to do the work. I cared for my own personal reasons, but it seemed like many Ss wanted out. #Edchat
The evidence clearly shows that ALL CHILDREN CAN LEARN. So no student deserves to be unseen... nor does she or he ever need be not taught. #edchat@JeremyDBond@DennisDill@HarveyAlvy1
I understand very well being in a position of guiding as I was a principal for 26 years. I think too often we respond rather than listening to see if the person is seeking suggestions. #edchat
Watched a rehearsal for winter sing & focused on the kids who were the quiet ones, or the rowdy ones and saw they found their voice in the sing. We need to see the kids for who they are. Take time to know them #edchat
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@mssackstein, @ShiftParadigm, @tomwhitby, @HarveyAlvy1, @wmchamberlain, @blairteach, @valerietilton, @RitaWirtz, @DerekRhodenizer
Honestly I’m not sure. I wish I were here with answers! I remember occasional adults paying me extra attention at certain moments... but didn’t care enough at that point myself. One key is not to lose kids before that happens. #EdChat
In my grad work we learned about the “socio-center” student. They either crave attention or get others riled up. Part of teaching is about an Art of observations and interventions. #edchat
Much of this topic relates to connecting with students. I’ve found that watching body language as kids enter the room and sit down can tell us much about their day and their attitudes. #edchat
Another important point to note is that one can be introverted and also engaged. There are many ways that "quiet" students engage (e.g. actively listening). We must ensure that our evaluation of engagement moves far beyond who is raising their hands or talking the most. #edchat
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I see that point. My focus is on what I see my Ss need b/c too often, Ts just want to vent/be heard but that's not what is best for the Ss. That's my priority. #Edchat
I just led a discussion on this with faculty yesterday! Compliance va engagement. I think many Ts are confusing the two. Found this article interesting. https://t.co/bn4wyRb6Ne#edchat
I’d come home from school each day and try to remember who I noticed and why. Who I interacted with and why. Sometimes a rude awakening for me. #edchat
It is by listening carefully to that "venting" - taking notes - and asking, "is there anything you would like to do to change this situation? Would you brainstorm ideas of what possible solutions might be?" Probing questions ... #edchat
I suspect it’s often not an issue of mindset, a belief that they can’t learn (though that’s a problem). It’s just that they’re quiet and thus perceived as good enough. #EdChat
The evidence clearly shows that ALL CHILDREN CAN LEARN. So no student deserves to be unseen... nor does she or he ever need be not taught. #edchat@JeremyDBond@DennisDill@HarveyAlvy1
Sooo, @tomwhitby Can we make a difference in our individual classrooms, and with collective efficacy—with those who agree to make changes? I hope so. Leadership is a key here. #edchat
No ... I am at a public magnet school ... I teach Social Studies and Tech ... I am in a non tested area but at the same time there is a huge amount of trust placed in me by my Admin ...@JSAPrincipal supports what I do (at least I think he does) #edchat
Yes! Introverts, quiet ones are not disconnected, are not lost, are not backing away from learning. They engage differently. Our job to find out how to connect. #edchat
Another important point to note is that one can be introverted and also engaged. There are many ways that "quiet" students engage (e.g. actively listening). We must ensure that our evaluation of engagement moves far beyond who is raising their hands or talking the most. #edchat
I like to take a seat with students while they're working. Sometimes a student who won't talk in front of the whole class will ask me a question or make a comment if I'm right there. #edchat
I love learning! Love. It. I can’t consume info quick enough most of the time... but in high school, I barely attended. Hated most classes and, to be honest, felt cheated by subpar Ts. Enagaging Ts who push students to think can change everything! #edchat
do the math...despite our best efforts 4 of 10 students who start grade 9 don't graduate on time, of those who do graduate on time, a significant percent report not liking school, require 'special services, don't like school, say they're 'undereducated, etc. #edchat@blairteach
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@blairteach, @tomwhitby, @sgthomas1973, @HarveyAlvy1, @blairteach
I just led a discussion on this with faculty yesterday! Compliance va engagement. I think many Ts are confusing the two. Found this article interesting. https://t.co/bn4wyRb6Ne#edchat
Same applies to family engagement. The family shows up at conferences or events, they answer emails, the kid does what they’re supposed to... none of that may measure anything more than compliance. So the misperceptions about engagement extend beyond the classroom. #EdChat
I just led a discussion on this with faculty yesterday! Compliance va engagement. I think many Ts are confusing the two. Found this article interesting. https://t.co/bn4wyRb6Ne#edchat
Watched a rehearsal for winter sing & focused on the kids who were the quiet ones, or the rowdy ones and saw they found their voice in the sing. We need to see the kids for who they are. Take time to know them #edchat
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@mssackstein, @ShiftParadigm, @tomwhitby, @HarveyAlvy1, @wmchamberlain, @blairteach, @valerietilton, @RitaWirtz, @DerekRhodenizer
Reflection of our own practice is a guiding principle of all teaching and learning. When kids have trouble or success we should evaluate and reflect on “WHY” #edchat
The issue is the kids like to be treated like you believe all kids can learn. Kids know when you don’t believe in them and they will respond accordingly. #edchat
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@ShiftParadigm, @JeremyDBond, @HarveyAlvy1
I wonder what goes on with quiet, compliant, students as they watch their teachers spending most of their instructional time with the less compliant kids? #Edchat
Today, a final report was released from the Federal Commission on School Safety. Add to your reading list the WestEd Justice & Prevention Center’s research brief that breaks down the five misconceptions about school shootings. #schoolsafety#edchathttps://t.co/txSSxpeVd0
But is this stat because they are quiet or because they are not making the grade on the mandated test ... #edchat how much is teacher responsibility vs policy responsibility?
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@ShiftParadigm, @blairteach, @tomwhitby, @sgthomas1973, @HarveyAlvy1
I think I would like to know this as well. Most of my Ss are very honest about what happens in their homeroom classrooms (sometimes too honest)! #Edchat
Another way to encourage interaction with quiet, complaint students who are also fast finishers, is to give them (maybe 3-4 kids) a special pen (i.e. purple felt tip) that gives them permission to get out of their seat/group to go help other students who are struggling. #edchat
Hello everyone! Happy to join in on the chat. I am a third year student at the University of Montana Western studying secondary English education!#edchat
Interesting points about teacher centered classrooms. Often students don’t have a chance to be seen or heard because of teacher dominance. (Egos?) What should we be doing to engage all students? I guess this is where compliance “meets” a learning centered classroom. #edchat
No one seems to read this topic as I did: what are we doing to prevent the (quiet, compliant) kids who need help from falling through the cracks? Could this not be a reason for this stat? #Edchat
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@DennisDill, @ShiftParadigm, @blairteach, @tomwhitby, @HarveyAlvy1
I loved learning too. Taught myself to read, learned some Spanish from my mother’s college textbook, loved numbers... Elementary was ok, but ultimately the so-well-regraded school system didn’t seem to fit. I’m still figuring out why and that’s why I join chats like this! #EdChat
I love learning! Love. It. I can’t consume info quick enough most of the time... but in high school, I barely attended. Hated most classes and, to be honest, felt cheated by subpar Ts. Enagaging Ts who push students to think can change everything! #edchat
Great question. Wonder at what grade or age do students become aware of the “trouble” makers and the attention they draw. And when do they see being “compliant” as positive or detriment to their learning. Hm I wonder #edchat
I wonder what goes on with quiet, compliant, students as they watch their teachers spending most of their instructional time with the less compliant kids? #Edchat
It is easier to collect and track data in a uniform environment ... make all teachers and learners fit in the same box ... talk about individuality but don’t actually do individuality #edchat
I’d come home from school each day and try to remember who I noticed and why. Who I interacted with and why. Sometimes a rude awakening for me. #edchat
...oh, is a systemic problem. #edchat Lots of factors... not the least of which is the system cooks it's books to look as if it is doing better than it really is. #edchat
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@DennisDill, @blairteach, @tomwhitby, @sgthomas1973, @HarveyAlvy1
I think Ts get trapped. You need “good” behavior to accomplish tasks. But remember good behavior doesn’t always mean quiet and at desks. If your class is passionate, they’re loud, they question, they exclaim. Are your students using exclamation marks when they talk? #edchat
Quiet and compliant kids graduate ... do some help ... sure ... but many slip through being unchallenged/average ... missing out on unknown opportunities #edchat
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@sgthomas1973, @ShiftParadigm, @blairteach, @tomwhitby, @HarveyAlvy1
In my experience, the quiet, compliant kids are the average kids who get by. They may be standing near the crack, but they typically aren’t falling in it. #edchat
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@sgthomas1973, @DennisDill, @ShiftParadigm, @tomwhitby, @HarveyAlvy1
I guess part of this discussion needs to be about the “crack.” Are we talking FAILURE or does it include student underserved of what they deserve? #edchat
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@DennisDill, @sgthomas1973, @ShiftParadigm, @tomwhitby, @HarveyAlvy1
And the next day I would.. reach out, watch and see what was going on. Startled when it was the quiet compliant ones. And horrified how often I was drawn into “facing off” with the boisterous rowdy ones. I taught EC and kinder for years. #edchat
The introvert is at the front of what we do. It's not always easy to keep them front and center with the demands of extroverts, but we remind ourselves to be always be mindful of the room. #edchat
As a student it can also be scary: "How will I feel if a teacher criticizes my answer or embarrasses me? Better I should keep my mouth shut.” @educheerleader#edchat
I love learning! Love. It. I can’t consume info quick enough most of the time... but in high school, I barely attended. Hated most classes and, to be honest, felt cheated by subpar Ts. Enagaging Ts who push students to think can change everything! #edchat
My wheelhouse is ES, and about 4th grade is when *suddenly* we need to do something b/c they are so far behind. Some go off to MS significantly behind.... #Edchat
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@blairteach, @DennisDill, @ShiftParadigm, @tomwhitby, @HarveyAlvy1
Exactly! I had gifted classes that made school worth attending. Honestly, if all classes were taught with similar style, my peers would’ve been much more engaged! #edchat
From my experience both outgoing, loud students & quiet, compliant students can slip through the cracks. If the loud kid is sent to the hall everyday &/or the quiet kid, sits respectfully but never really tries to finish/understand the work... Then either can be at risk. #edchat
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@sgthomas1973, @DennisDill, @ShiftParadigm, @blairteach, @tomwhitby, @HarveyAlvy1
@DennisDill You are so right. That is why we have to be our authentic selves as teachers and administrators. Most folks can ready body language. #edchat
The issue is the kids like to be treated like you believe all kids can learn. Kids know when you don’t believe in them and they will respond accordingly. #edchat
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@ShiftParadigm, @JeremyDBond, @HarveyAlvy1
We play a game to help others realize what it's like to be the teacher by asking kids to think of a question and then asking one student all at once as a teacher to see what it sounds like. They get it. Too much noise helps no one. #edchat
Schools that utilize a flex block have noted less dropouts and better achievement overall. Students and teachers are drawn together in smaller groups, and as a result, a positive sense of community and belonging is fostered. https://t.co/NZi1ZYAtMQ#flextime#edchat
Under traditional school measurements, I was all over the map. Way ahead in reading but not comprehension. Creative writer but couldn’t study knowledge to perform on tests. The one time I was in an advanced class I struggled. Maybe uncategorizable kids are left behind. #EdChat
So hard to prevent learners from falling/failing through the crack. All the more mindful, we need to be of aware of classroom dynamics. It helps to educate students on classroom dynamics to they can comprehend the problem. #edchat
Years ago I learned an amazing array of techniques from being trained as a TESA trainer. We taught specific interactions to use with kids to promote confidence & to build relationships. What happened to that program? #edchat
I think some of the excellent tweets suggest beginning with 1 on 1, getting personal and private, to help the S who is not yet comfortable with the whole group. Also, letting students know and demonstrating: “I support you. I’m in your corner. I’ll help you do better. #edchat
No one seems to read this topic as I did: what are we doing to prevent the (quiet, compliant) kids who need help from falling through the cracks? Could this not be a reason for this stat? #Edchat
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@DennisDill, @ShiftParadigm, @blairteach, @tomwhitby, @HarveyAlvy1
Some of it is content, some is the amount of time testing, but I have many Ss who struggle with reading (fluency and/or comprehension) and math (computation and problem solving). #Edchat
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@educheerleader, @blairteach, @DennisDill, @ShiftParadigm, @tomwhitby, @HarveyAlvy1
An observation. Working with kids who fall thru the cracks takes time. Building relationships takes time. How can we "work the system" to accomplish more meaningful goals? #edchat
We have to support the quiet ones and help them bring the value of their voice to front of the room. It's not always easy, but helping the extroverts understand them changes things. #edchat
Teacher Expectation, Student Achievement. There are 18 specific interactions teachers can learn to do “correctly” so that we don’t embarrass/shame kids while trying to hold them accountable. How to call on non-volunteers, for instance, or, how to use proximity properly. #edchat
Send obnoxious from the room or just get them to be quiet. At least that happens often in classrooms around the country. But what if we found something they loved and made a connection for them. Or let them lead class discussion. Teach leadership and not compliance! #edchat
Kids just use different ways of expressing themselves and navigating school. Whether quiet or noisy and noncompliant, they may be similar in how well or not well the school is serving them. #EdChat
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@elena_SF_CA, @sgthomas1973, @DennisDill, @ShiftParadigm, @blairteach, @tomwhitby, @HarveyAlvy1
If teachers can recognize that they are shortchanging their compliant students on a regular basis, they can begin to change their own behavior. #Edchat
Raises another important issue: How are we empowering the voiceless? What are we doing to give them the tools to “express" their voice? @blairteach#edchat
I guess part of this discussion needs to be about the “crack.” Are we talking FAILURE or does it include student underserved of what they deserve? #edchat
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@DennisDill, @sgthomas1973, @ShiftParadigm, @tomwhitby, @HarveyAlvy1
Know what kids LOVE? ... respect ... they love to be respected ... that mutual respect will make them want to learn in your class even when the content is boring ... #edchat
I was intrigued by a recent suggestion that about 80% of students do get by (define that however you want). The 20% end up in with interventions or special ed, but they’re the ones the school should be structured to serve. #EdChat
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@ShiftParadigm, @blairteach, @tomwhitby, @sgthomas1973, @HarveyAlvy1
If teachers can recognize that they are shortchanging their compliant students on a regular basis, they can begin to change their own behavior. #Edchat
If teachers are not responsive to their lack of interaction with compliant students, they may never hear complaints from those very students.Personal reflection is essential. #Edchat
They also LOVE to be seen as an actual person, not just a "kid" who needs to do what they have been told. They LOVE when Ts take an interest in them, not just paying lip service #Edchat
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@DennisDill, @educheerleader, @JeremyDBond
We can equip our students with the skills they’ll need to lead fulfilling and productive lives through a symbiotic relationship among pedagogy, technology, and 21st century skills—pairing the analog with the digital. https://t.co/owl9CfEkTA#education#edchat
I do think it was a huge missed opportunity on the system’s part. I showed up with inherent enthusiasm for learning. That said, praise definitely due to those certain teachers over the years who “got” me. If they were given more flexibility maybe they could’ve done more. #EdChat
Anonymous surveys. Painful to read sometimes but they hold value. Of course, it’s all in how the questions are written— negative leading questions will get negative remarks. What did you love? What would you have changed? #edchat
I looked it up, but it doesn’t seem like the program still trains teachers in PD. I’m not sure why. Turns out it’s 15 interactions (not 18). Here’s more information: https://t.co/alBDWtnBUo#edchat
Priorities r tough. This is why the either/or dilemmas r traps. It’s not relationships vs. academics. We have to be supportive of Ss, build relationships AND set high standards. But it “ain’t easy!” Teaching and learning are the most complex of human task. @sgthomas1973#edchat
One of the greatest lessons I learned was taking the time to listen to the parents of diverse learners. I read the literature they presented and it made me a better educator. Their kids thrived and I was empowered to help others. It takes a team. #edchat
Priorities r tough. This is why the either/or dilemmas r traps. It’s not relationships vs. academics. We have to be supportive of Ss, build relationships AND set high standards. But it “ain’t easy!” Teaching and learning are the most complex of human task. @sgthomas1973#edchat
Hey #edchat I’ve had a busy few weeks subbing in different grades. I continue to learn so much from them. Sharing some wonderful moments. Wishing you all a wonderful holiday season.
