#rethinkela Archive


Thursday December 14, 2017
9:00 PM EST

  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:00 PM EST
    Welcome to #reThinkELA! Please introduce yourself, including your name, grade/subject, location.
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Michelle Waters, 9-11 English, Oklahoma. Can't wait to share ideas! #rethinkela
  • lsmellott - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:01 PM EST
    #rethinkela This is Shanna Mellott from Cache, ready to tweet about grammar
  • elaclassroom Dec 14 @ 9:02 PM EST
    Hi! I’m Lauralee. I teach us ELA in Illinois. This year, freshmen and seniors. #rethinkela
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Hi Lauralee! Glad to have you here. Freshman and senior? That's quiet the age difference. LOL #rethinkela
    In reply to @elaclassroom
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:05 PM EST
    Q1 How did you learn grammar, and how is that different from the way students should learn it today? #reThinkELA
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:06 PM EST
    A1 I remember completing tons of worksheets in MS. But then I used what I learned frequently in yearbook and on newspaper staff. #rethinkela
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:07 PM EST
    A1 I think Ss today should have more opportunities to write (like I did with several articles per month on news staff) and receive both peer and teacher feedback in the editing stage. #rethinkela
  • lsmellott - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:07 PM EST
    #rethinkela A1: Diagramming, underline the subjects once and verbs twice, circle the adjectives and adverbs and draw an arrow to the word it modifies, and a lot of worksheets/bookwork. Today's Ss should learn the rules, write examples, and then apply it into their writing.
  • elaclassroom Dec 14 @ 9:07 PM EST
    A1 I didn’t learn grammar. I was so behind in college. I never want that for my students. We connect grammar to everything. #rethinkela
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:08 PM EST
    A1 I also think too many Ss think they are bad writers if they are not good at grammar. But some of the best storytellers I have also had some of the worst grammar in their first drafts. #reThinkELA
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:09 PM EST
    I'd love to hear more about how you do that -- like during novel studies, nonfiction readings, etc.#reThinkELA
    In reply to @elaclassroom
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:10 PM EST
    Q2 How do you help your students understand why grammar is important? #reThinkELA
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:12 PM EST
    A2 I have been known to play the Word Crimes video by Weird Al. It's not completely accurate, but the Ss love it and therefore pay attention #rethinkela https://t.co/xRTdvyV2dW
  • MrsBaldwinCHS Dec 14 @ 9:12 PM EST
    2/2 with my students, but I'm not sure how to teach it...other than not in isolation. We're working on learning through writing. #reThinkELA
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:13 PM EST
    A2 Also, our Ss have to take the ACT as juniors to graduate. Since the ACT English section has a ton of grammar, I can tie that in as an immediate reason to learn grammar. #reThinkELA
  • lsmellott - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:14 PM EST
    #rethinkela A2: I like to show Ss grammar mistakes that I see in stores, in ads, or in commercials. I also talked with some Cameron professors, and they gave me the top 10 grammar mistakes that college students make. I focus my grammar instruction on those mistakes.
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:14 PM EST
    It seems to me that the most effective method of teaching it is through the Ss own writing, with 1-1 feedback. Also, pulling sentences from books/articles and examine the grammar. Still working on finding good material that shows specific elements. #rethinkela
    In reply to @MrsBaldwinCHS
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:15 PM EST
    Q3 What is a strategy that you use to teach the punctuation rules? #reThinkELA
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:15 PM EST
    I keep getting lost in the meaning of what I'm reading and often forget to look back at the grammar. I need to make a point to do this over the break... #reThinkELA
    In reply to @MrsBaldwinCHS
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:16 PM EST
    I'd love to hear more about vocabulary manipulations. #rethinkela
    In reply to @elaclassroom
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:17 PM EST
    Yes, perhaps deputizing those S who have a good grasp on grammar and can work with other kids would help. #rethinkela
    In reply to @MrsBaldwinCHS
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:17 PM EST
    Please remember to use the #reThinkELA hashtag so we can all see the conversation. You all have awesome insight and experience!
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:18 PM EST
    I like this idea! Do you have any pictures of what this looks like? #rethinkela
    In reply to @elaclassroom
  • MrsBaldwinCHS Dec 14 @ 9:18 PM EST
    A2: We talk a lot about how people speak and write publicly. We talk about how "smart" they sound and how proper grammar impacts that. #reThinkELA
  • elaclassroom Dec 14 @ 9:18 PM EST
    A3 I teach punctuation alongside parts of a sentence and then types of sentences. Students immediately see the importance. #reThinkELA
  • lsmellott - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:19 PM EST
    #rethinkela A3: I introduce the rules, maybe through stations set up around the room. Ss walk around and practice using the rule in puzzles, correcting a paragraph, or describing pictures. Then, they use it in their writing, so they learn it, practice it, and then apply it.
  • elaclassroom Dec 14 @ 9:19 PM EST
    I’ll take pictures. #rethinkela
    In reply to @watersenglish
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:20 PM EST
    Yes, and often times, especially with commas and periods, they immediate see the importance when they read the work outloud. #rethinkela
    In reply to @elaclassroom
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:20 PM EST
    Q4 What is a strategy that you use to teach a comma rule? #reThinkELA
  • elaclassroom Dec 14 @ 9:20 PM EST
    I love stations with grammar. #reThinkELA
    In reply to @lsmellott
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:20 PM EST
    Learn, practice & apply. I think this sequence is the key! #rethinkela
    In reply to @lsmellott
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:20 PM EST
    I'd love to see your stations in action! #rethinkela
    In reply to @lsmellott
  • elaclassroom Dec 14 @ 9:21 PM EST
    Speaking. Good addition. #rethinkela
    In reply to @watersenglish
  • lsmellott - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:23 PM EST
    #rethinkela A4: So, I rhymed all the grammar, punctuation, and comma rules. Learning all these rules requires practice, which means if Ss learn the rules, they still use the rules at the end of the year. They learn it, practice it, and apply it, over and over again.
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:24 PM EST
    A4 Asking Ss to read a sentence out loud, or reading it out loud to them often helps them hear where commas go. #rethinkela
  • MrsMacintheMid Dec 14 @ 9:24 PM EST
    I'm here I'm here! Mandi MacDonald, 7-8 English, Shawnee OK! #reThinkELA
    In reply to @watersenglish
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:25 PM EST
    Q5 What is one grammar rule that your students have trouble with learning? #reThinkELA
  • MrsMacintheMid Dec 14 @ 9:26 PM EST
    A1 I used good old fashioned worksheets. I diagrammed sentences. I memorized the prepositions. I was told why grammar is important. I didn't have social media... I think with today's ever changing communication, grammar is important but needs to be taught in a new way #reThinkELA
    In reply to @watersenglish
  • elaclassroom Dec 14 @ 9:27 PM EST
    A5 I’m going with- joining two independent clauses with a comma. Comma splices are rampant. #reThinkELA
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:27 PM EST
    A5 Perhaps it's because of texting, but Ss struggle remembering to capitalize. They know the rules, but just don't think to use them when drafting. Then struggle to find all the little "i"s when editing. LOL #reThinkELA
  • MrsMacintheMid Dec 14 @ 9:28 PM EST
    A1 grammar has to be more engaging!!! It has to be practical and quick. Now more than ever it has to be clear WHY it's important. And I think that importance needs to be self-motivated and researched by students #reThinkELA
    In reply to @watersenglish
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:28 PM EST
    Yes! I see that too. So my next A5 is the comma splice and the fused/run-on sentence. They just string their thoughts together. But when I point out what they've done, they see exactly what I'm talking about. #reThinkELA
    In reply to @elaclassroom
  • lsmellott - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:29 PM EST
    #rethinkela A5: My Ss have problems with run-on sentences. I showed them how to write compound sentences three different ways and how to correct run-on sentences. It's going to take lots of practice, over and over again.
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:29 PM EST
    I like the idea of self-motivated and researched by Ss. I'm having my Ss create a style guide in which they create slides that give the rules they need for writing papers/ACT study, and examples. It's created by them and mean to be used during the writing process. #reThinkELA
    In reply to @MrsMacintheMid
  • MrsMacintheMid Dec 14 @ 9:30 PM EST
    A2 a lot of our communication in class is written. A lot of the reasons why students are confused about things in other classes is because of how it is communicated. Grammar can help us all be on the same page. #reThinkELA
    In reply to @watersenglish
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:30 PM EST
    Q6 How do you mix grammar instruction with writing? #reThinkELA
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:30 PM EST
    Basically, Ss need to do way more writing than they are. LOL #reThinkELA I think some of my Ss would disagree though.
    In reply to @lsmellott
  • lsmellott - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:31 PM EST
    #rethinkela A5: Here's my rhyme for compound sentences: Two sentences joined by a conjunction, add a comma to complete the function. And, but, or, nor, for, & so, These are the conjunctions that you need to know.
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:32 PM EST
    EXACTLY! It is the common language that we need in order to be able to discuss language. #reThinkELA
    In reply to @MrsMacintheMid
  • MrsMacintheMid Dec 14 @ 9:32 PM EST
    A3 I stole sentence structure lessons from The Curly Classroom (if they're on Twitter, please hook a sister up) and through those lessons I can easily teach comma placement and colon/semicolon use. It makes it more immediately applicable than an isolated lesson #reThinkELA
    In reply to @watersenglish
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:33 PM EST
    Found them! @CurlyClassroom #reThinkELA
    In reply to @MrsMacintheMid, @CurlyClassroom
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:34 PM EST
    You need to write out all these rhymes and put them on TpT! #reThinkELA Or just blog about them. Hehe!
    In reply to @lsmellott
  • MrsBaldwinCHS Dec 14 @ 9:34 PM EST
    A6: As I read student writing and notice the same mistake again and again, I stop everything and we do a mini-lesson on that particular thing. Within a couple weeks, we've hit the major issues. #reThinkELA
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:35 PM EST
    Q7 How do you help your students make fewer mistakes in their writing? #reThinkELA
  • lsmellott - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:35 PM EST
    #rethinkela A6:For the first three weeks of school, I go over the Top 10 college grammar mistakes and how to correct them. When Ss write, they have to use a few of the grammar rules in their writing. Practicing it & associating a rule with something else helps them remember it.
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:35 PM EST
    Yes. I think sometimes that's where it helps for me to read the sentence to them. Then I can emphasize what's needed. #reThinkELA
    In reply to @MrsMacintheMid, @MrsBaldwinCHS
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:36 PM EST
    This is extremely real! #reThinkELA
    • MrsMacintheMid Dec 14 @ 9:35 PM EST
      THIS IS REAL. I don't know how many times I've told my 8th graders to cap I and they're just like
      In reply to @watersenglish
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:37 PM EST
    I like this idea. Ten grammar rules is a very easy number to manage, both for me, and for the students. #reThinkELA
    In reply to @lsmellott
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:38 PM EST
    We should all do this stylebook project next semester and compare notes on how it works, and what changes we had to make. #reThinkELA
    In reply to @MrsMacintheMid
  • MrsMacintheMid Dec 14 @ 9:39 PM EST
    A7 I try to give them a list of "no-nos" either on their peer rubric or right before they start writing. It saves us all headaches. #reThinkELA
    In reply to @watersenglish
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:39 PM EST
    I'd love to hear how you format your mini lessons. #reThinkELA
    In reply to @MrsBaldwinCHS
  • MrsBaldwinCHS Dec 14 @ 9:39 PM EST
    Practice. PRACTICE. Practice. Focus on one specific error for a long time until it's corrected, then move to the next. #reThinkELA
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:40 PM EST
    Q8 What advice do you have for teachers who count off each time a student makes a grammatical error in their writing? #reThinkELA
  • lsmellott - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:40 PM EST
    #rethinkela A7: I have a checklist that Ss have to use before they turn in a draft of a paper. It relates to grammar, word choices, and documenting research. Overtime they write, they have to use this list. Learn, practice, and apply.
  • MrsMacintheMid Dec 14 @ 9:40 PM EST
    Please please share. I also have an icap/ACT prep class for 9th graders as homeroom next year and I'll need all the resources I can get! #reThinkELA
    In reply to @watersenglish
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:41 PM EST
    A8 I have Ss who have amazing stories to tell and who can weave a very compelling story. But their grammar stinks. Counting off for each error and putting a bad grade on the paper just makes Ss think they can't write. Not true. #reThinkELA
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:42 PM EST
    A8 I want my Ss to know they're all writers, to be encouraged to tell their stories. I want them to know it's OK to struggle with grammar. Hey! That's what they make editors for. But it's easier in the editing stage if you use the grammar you know in drafting. #reThinkELA
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:43 PM EST
    Sometimes, it's not about sophistication, but getting the job done. #reThinkELA
    In reply to @MrsBaldwinCHS
  • lsmellott - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:44 PM EST
    #rethinkela A8: I only mark the same mistakes a few times in the paper. Ss need to take ownership for their writing and become editors. Maybe, focus on one mistake at a time, so Ss will learn how to correct it. Go to Staples and have them make a stamp to check off the rules.
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:45 PM EST
    Q9 How do you use the writing process to help my students improve their grammar? #reThinkELA
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:45 PM EST
    I've got a checklist, too. I also think having a real audience helps Ss realize the importance of grammar. They did amazing editing jobs on their thank you letters for the Chromebooks that were donated to our class. #reThinkELA
    In reply to @lsmellott
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:46 PM EST
    Excellent advice! #reThinkELA
    • MrsMacintheMid Dec 14 @ 9:45 PM EST
      A8 I killed myself last year in prep AP English because I thought I needed to mark every single thing. News flash: even AP kids don't read all the notes/corrections. Don't kill yourself. Tackle one thing at a time. Conference. Take a deep breath. Also, this is my cbook background
      In reply to @watersenglish
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:47 PM EST
    A9 I tell my Ss not to fixate on grammar during drafting and revising. Then we work on repairing our mistakes during the editing phase. This way they can concentrate on their message first, then the format/mechanics later. #reThinkELA
  • lsmellott - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:49 PM EST
    #rethinkela A9: Use the rules over and over again in their writing, and have them edit and revise their papers over and over again. Sometimes, I have my seniors revise/edit the essays that my 9th graders write.
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:50 PM EST
    Q10 How do you manage the peer editing process when not all students are proficient in their understanding of grammar? #reThinkELA
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:50 PM EST
    Love the idea of having the seniors edit the freshman essays! #reThinkELA
    In reply to @lsmellott
  • MrsMacintheMid Dec 14 @ 9:50 PM EST
    A9 #reThinkELA rubrics with grammar expectations are helpful from prompt to final draft. Having the expectations/reminders visible is important. I plan on making little table cards (like at restaurants) with reminders of the basics of good grammar throughout the writing process
  • MrsBaldwinCHS Dec 14 @ 9:50 PM EST
    A8: I only count off for grammar if it's "formal" writing. We go through our rules for formal writing, and when I assign writing I make sure I tell Ss if it's formal or not. Otherwise, it's a draft and mistakes are ok. We edit & learn to correct. #reThinkELA
  • MrsBaldwinCHS Dec 14 @ 9:50 PM EST
    Q8: I do count off for misspelled words on any writing if it's written in a word doc or google docs (since it's easy to check spelling in word processors). #reThinkELA
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:51 PM EST
    I have not used any text to speech apps. Can you recommend any? #reThinkELA
    In reply to @MrsMacintheMid, @MrsBaldwinCHS
  • MrsMacintheMid Dec 14 @ 9:53 PM EST
    Google docs actually has a function within its own tools to read it aloud. I'll look back at my notes and get back to you. The ones we played with weren't great... But they're helpful. #reThinkELA
    In reply to @watersenglish, @MrsBaldwinCHS
  • lsmellott - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:53 PM EST
    #rethinkela A10: I do editing islands where Ss walk to different essays and revise and edit for the mistakes that they have to look for while on their island. I also play Hawaiian music as they revise/edit essays.
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:53 PM EST
    A9 I have a grammar rubrics and checklists based on the 6+1 traits of writing available through my mailing list. You can check them out here: https://t.co/94DZrUWkFK #reThinkELA
  • MrsBaldwinCHS Dec 14 @ 9:55 PM EST
    A10: when the situation allows, I pair strong kids with those who struggle. Since the strong have fewer mistakes, it's easier for the struggling kids to review and they see strong writing. Gives the strong kids more practice at editing. #reThinkELA
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:55 PM EST
    BONUS: Who is your #teachinggrammar rockstar? #reThinkELA
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:55 PM EST
    Love this idea! #reThinkELA
    In reply to @MrsBaldwinCHS
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:56 PM EST
    A10 I have Ss in groups and we use Google Docs. So I make sure a strong writer is in each group, and I have Ss share their writing with each other. They use the commenting system and suggestion mode. #reThinkELA
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:57 PM EST
    I've discovered I have to be careful with suggestion mode if I'm editing though. Ss will just accept everything I suggest instead of taking ownership and questioning me. #reThinkELA
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:58 PM EST
    Right now, my grammar rockstar is @lsmellott ! #reThinkELA
  • MrsMacintheMid Dec 14 @ 9:58 PM EST
    #reThinkELA BONUS: my mentor teacher when I was a student teacher was a grammar fascist for real (fascist seems more PC). She was very, very old school but those kids knew their way around a sentence. In her prime, she did a great job of making reasons behind rules clear.
    In reply to @watersenglish
  • lsmellott - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:59 PM EST
    #rethinkela A10: Thank you, Mrs. Retz, who was my English teacher from 7th grade through 11th grade. it was all about grammar, and i didn't write my first essay until i went to college. That was thirty years ago.
  • watersenglish - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:59 PM EST
    You are exactly right. And we need to help build the confidence of those timid Riders. When they start seeing themselves as writers, they will be more interested in writing correctly. #reThinkELA
    In reply to @tstyles77
  • MrsBaldwinCHS Dec 14 @ 9:59 PM EST
    We're a small school, kids have all grown up together, so for the most part they trust each other and know they won't be made fun of. Ss genuinely want to help each other improve. #reThinkELA
    In reply to @watersenglish