#sblchat Archive

Wednesday September 20, 2017
9:00 PM EDT
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:00 PM EDT
    Good evening and welcome to #sblchat! Topic: Misconceptions of Standards Based Grading. Please start intros (name, location, role).
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:00 PM EDT
    Rik, a Facilitator of HS Math in MA, with Learners that benefit Daily with Standards-Based Learning & Grading through Engagement! #sblchat
  • gerryswan2 Sep 20 @ 9:00 PM EDT
    Guessing the never did any analysis 2 see if SBGs were more meaningful (or just meaningful). This aspect not discussed enough on #sblchat.
    In reply to @RoweRikW, @garnet_hillman
  • mrsprebble84 Sep 20 @ 9:01 PM EDT
    Becky Prebble Chicago suburbs HS English #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:01 PM EDT
    Hi Becky! #sblchat
    In reply to @mrsprebble84
  • datiepriest Sep 20 @ 9:01 PM EDT
    Datie from Alabama Student Services Hello everyone🤗#sblchat
  • gerryswan2 Sep 20 @ 9:01 PM EDT
    Guessing they never did any analysis to see if SBGs were more meaningful (or just meaningful). This aspect not discussed enough on #sblchat.
    In reply to @RoweRikW, @garnet_hillman
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:01 PM EDT
    Glad you are joining us tonight Datie! #sblchat
    In reply to @datiepriest
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:02 PM EDT
    I'm Garnet, a consultant and writer from the Chicagoland area. Pleased to co-moderate tonight's chat with the awesome @RoweRikW #sblchat
  • KatieBudrow Sep 20 @ 9:02 PM EDT
    Hello #sblchat! Katie, 6th grade science teacher, tweeting from the Chicagoland area tonight. Happy to be here with you all!
  • MrsSmithThinks Sep 20 @ 9:02 PM EDT
    Stephanie Smith, Northbrook, IL, Director of Learning #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:02 PM EDT
    Datie, pleased to welcome you! #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:02 PM EDT
    Good evening Stephanie! #sblchat
    In reply to @MrsSmithThinks
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:02 PM EDT
    Katie, always happy to see you in #sblchat each week!
    • KatieBudrow Sep 20 @ 9:02 PM EDT
      Hello #sblchat! Katie, 6th grade science teacher, tweeting from the Chicagoland area tonight. Happy to be here with you all!
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:02 PM EDT
    Hi there friend! #sblchat
    In reply to @KatieBudrow
  • KatieWhite426 Sep 20 @ 9:02 PM EDT
    Katie White from Canada. I have too many roles to explain but I am pretty interested in assessment. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:02 PM EDT
    Hi Katie! Glad you are able to join us tonight #sblchat
    In reply to @KatieWhite426
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:03 PM EDT
    We have 6 misconceptions of Standards Based Grading for your consideration. Please indicate how you would respond to them. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:03 PM EDT
    Your #sblchat has 6 questions tonight as Q1, Q2, Q3. Kindly respond with A1, A2, A3 and remember to include our #sblchat hashtag.
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:03 PM EDT
    Katie, we think you make assessment come alive! #sblchat
    • KatieWhite426 Sep 20 @ 9:02 PM EDT
      Katie White from Canada. I have too many roles to explain but I am pretty interested in assessment. #sblchat
  • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:03 PM EDT
    Ken O’Connor, author/consultant in Toronto. #sblchat
  • aollenburg Sep 20 @ 9:03 PM EDT
    Andy, Linear Algebra, from Minnesota #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:03 PM EDT
    Good evening Ken! #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:03 PM EDT
    Ken, honored to have you in our midst! #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:03 PM EDT
    Hi Andy! #sblchat
    In reply to @aollenburg
  • donsmithedu Sep 20 @ 9:03 PM EDT
    Don from WI, excited to learn from everyone! #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:04 PM EDT
    Like this tweet if you're new to #sblchat so we can welcome you to our sharing about Misconceptions about Grading Practices.
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:04 PM EDT
    The misconceptions are based on the following article: https://t.co/fAaz8BpuVX #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:04 PM EDT
    Welcome Don! #sblchat
    In reply to @donsmithedu
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:04 PM EDT
    Andy, welcome to your #sblchat Tonight!
  • TracyMailloux Sep 20 @ 9:04 PM EDT
    Good evening, Tracy from Nantucket MA joining in tonight. I teach 6th gr science.#sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:04 PM EDT
    Glad to have you join us Tracy! #sblchat
    In reply to @TracyMailloux
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:04 PM EDT
    Don, pleased to welcome you to this great Crew! #sblchat
    In reply to @donsmithedu
  • RESP3CTtheGAME Sep 20 @ 9:04 PM EDT
    Brian, HS ELA in WI. Recharging with #sblchat tonight.
  • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:04 PM EDT
    I wanted to watch sports while in #sblchat but MLS Toronto is losing 5-1 and the Blue Jays are losing 13-0 to the Royals. TV is off.
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:04 PM EDT
    Hi Brian! #sblchat
    In reply to @RESP3CTtheGAME
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:04 PM EDT
    Greetings Tracy! Nice to share with you in #sblchat Tonight!
    • TracyMailloux Sep 20 @ 9:04 PM EDT
      Good evening, Tracy from Nantucket MA joining in tonight. I teach 6th gr science.#sblchat
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:05 PM EDT
    Tonight's #sblchat is responding to this 9/17 article by @DonnaStGeorge. Read it here! https://t.co/DT89unHbl1 Join us NOW!
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:05 PM EDT
    Charge it up in #sblchat each week!
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:06 PM EDT
    Remember for each statement to say how you would respond to the misconception! #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:06 PM EDT
    Kindly welcome Tracy {@TracyMailloux} to your #sblchat Tonight!
  • j_ozbolt Sep 20 @ 9:06 PM EDT
    Jason H.S. Dean from IL Hi everyone! #sblchat
  • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:06 PM EDT
    Hello #sblchat! Lynne, K-12 WA state TL and former MS ELA teacher, checking in.
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:06 PM EDT
    Hi Jason! #sblchat
    In reply to @j_ozbolt
  • TTmomTT Sep 20 @ 9:06 PM EDT
    Long time no see #SBLchat Mandi from MO, HS Math
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:06 PM EDT
    Are you Ready?? #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:06 PM EDT
    Good evening Mandi! #sblchat
    In reply to @TTmomTT
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:07 PM EDT
    Hi Lynne! #sblchat
    In reply to @Perednia
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:07 PM EDT
    Q1 Respond to this: A level 3 is very wide (A-C range in traditional grading). #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:07 PM EDT
    Mandi, always pleased to welcome you! #sblchat
  • TTmomTT Sep 20 @ 9:07 PM EDT
    Being from MO and close to KC, I'm happy about the Royals. Sorry Ken. #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:07 PM EDT
    And we're off... #sblchat
  • jfprovencher27 Sep 20 @ 9:07 PM EDT
    Hello Francois, From Bc Canada #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:07 PM EDT
    Welcome Francois! #sblchat
    In reply to @jfprovencher27
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:07 PM EDT
    Good evening Francois! #sblchat
    In reply to @jfprovencher27
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:08 PM EDT
    A1 A level 3 is where we draw the line between proficiency & not yet. There are many ways to show it, but 1 level for the evidence. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:08 PM EDT
    A1 - Grades are one way we communicate proficiency in schools. We must be clear in the ranges we use. Make communication clear. #sblchat
  • mrsprebble84 Sep 20 @ 9:08 PM EDT
    A1: Our proficiency levels don't equate to grade levels. We are learning to speak a new language of learning. #sblchat
  • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:08 PM EDT
    Waving back with midweek enthusiasm! #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • KatieBudrow Sep 20 @ 9:09 PM EDT
    A1 In an ideal world, all students would meet all standards. It's the place where we want everybody to be. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:09 PM EDT
    Waving live CRAZY! #sblchat
    • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:08 PM EDT
      Waving back with midweek enthusiasm! #sblchat
      In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • walkerjd40 Sep 20 @ 9:09 PM EDT
    #sblchat Hello from AL
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:09 PM EDT
    Hi Jessica! #sblchat
    In reply to @walkerjd40
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:09 PM EDT
    Greetings Jessica! #sblchat
    In reply to @walkerjd40
  • jfprovencher27 Sep 20 @ 9:09 PM EDT
    A1 it shouldn't be a matter of levels it should be a matter of competency and things they can do #sblchat
  • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:09 PM EDT
    A1 Could be but shouldn’t be. Needs to be clearly described and there need to be exemplars so T S and P have shared understanding. #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • j_ozbolt Sep 20 @ 9:09 PM EDT
    A1: True, but it is up to us to define our criteria for proficiency and the evidence we will find as acceptable in that attainment #sblchat
  • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:09 PM EDT
    I would jump up and down to wave but my head cold would not be happy! #sblchat
    In reply to @RoweRikW
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:10 PM EDT
    RT Q1 Respond to this: A level 3 is very wide (A-C range in traditional grading). #sblchat
  • donsmithedu Sep 20 @ 9:10 PM EDT
    A1: A level 3 is one way to refer to mastery of a specific standard. What does an A-C range equate to mastery of? #sblchat
  • TTmomTT Sep 20 @ 9:10 PM EDT
    A1: Our level 3 is beginning to show conceptual understanding but have some work to do to show competency in the standard. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:10 PM EDT
    Try to keep your head in #sblchat Tonight!
    • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:09 PM EDT
      I would jump up and down to wave but my head cold would not be happy! #sblchat
      In reply to @RoweRikW
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:10 PM EDT
    This. #sblchat
    • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:09 PM EDT
      A1 Could be but shouldn’t be. Needs to be clearly described and there need to be exemplars so T S and P have shared understanding. #sblchat
      In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • KatieWhite426 Sep 20 @ 9:10 PM EDT
    A1: A 3 is pretty clear once we determine what proficient looks and sounds like on each standard. It is the narrowest of levels IMO #sblchat
  • aollenburg Sep 20 @ 9:10 PM EDT
    A1: Level 3 - I like to put it in "kid" language. "I get it really well." #sblchat Something a S can do with confidence.
  • Fridays85 Sep 20 @ 9:10 PM EDT
    #sblchat Jumping in a little late. Mark from SD
  • TracyMailloux Sep 20 @ 9:10 PM EDT
    A1 Profiency level are not translated into traditional grades. We need to invest in P & T education for understanding.#sblchat
  • bohndrake Sep 20 @ 9:10 PM EDT
    A1- but so is the ocean. So is outerspace. So is that intersection u need to cross when you're late. It's all abt perspective. #sblchat
  • mrchokshi Sep 20 @ 9:11 PM EDT
    If learning targets are clear & T & S mutually determine criteria does it matter if at the end students gets a 1-4 # or letter? #sblchat
  • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:11 PM EDT
    A1. It depends on rubric that includes evidence how wide or broad the scale is. Might be many ways to show "almost there". #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:11 PM EDT
    Agreed. I have heard many talk about how wide the three is, I beg to disagree! #sblchat
    In reply to @KatieWhite426
  • ezigbo_ Sep 20 @ 9:11 PM EDT
    Andrew Maxey, Director of Special Programs in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Lurking on #sblchat while getting some fantastic kids to bed.
  • donsmithedu Sep 20 @ 9:11 PM EDT
    Well said... In reality, a level 3 is as wide as the team defined it. Needs to be clear to everyone involved #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7, @garnet_hillman
  • koliver555 Sep 20 @ 9:11 PM EDT
    Kelly here tonight. Grandbaby-sitting finished early tonight. Excited to learn. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:11 PM EDT
    With Confidence and Consistently... #sblchat
    • aollenburg Sep 20 @ 9:10 PM EDT
      A1: Level 3 - I like to put it in "kid" language. "I get it really well." #sblchat Something a S can do with confidence.
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:11 PM EDT
    Glad you could join us Andrew! #sblchat
    In reply to @ezigbo_
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:11 PM EDT
    Mark, welcome to #sblchat!
    In reply to @Fridays85
  • TracyMailloux Sep 20 @ 9:12 PM EDT
    And we need to share that criteria with all stakeholders: Ss, Ps, colleagues and administration. #sblchat
    In reply to @j_ozbolt
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:12 PM EDT
    Hi Kelly! #sblchat
    In reply to @koliver555
  • aollenburg Sep 20 @ 9:12 PM EDT
    Yes! Consistently! #sblchat
    • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:11 PM EDT
      With Confidence and Consistently... #sblchat
      • aollenburg Sep 20 @ 9:10 PM EDT
        A1: Level 3 - I like to put it in "kid" language. "I get it really well." #sblchat Something a S can do with confidence.
  • walkerjd40 Sep 20 @ 9:12 PM EDT
    A1 #sblchat This came up in our parent meeting. I explained that mastery levels were for specific skills. The letter grades were not clear.
  • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:12 PM EDT
    Yeah, that's what I was trying to say. #sblchat
    • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:09 PM EDT
      A1 Could be but shouldn’t be. Needs to be clearly described and there need to be exemplars so T S and P have shared understanding. #sblchat
      In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:12 PM EDT
    Please welcome Jennifer {@jennferguson22} to our #sblchat sharing Tonight!
  • marykienstra Sep 20 @ 9:12 PM EDT
    The thing is- it shouldn't be that A=3 but that the Ss meets the standard shouldn't equate #SBL to traditional grades, but we do. #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • RESP3CTtheGAME Sep 20 @ 9:12 PM EDT
    A1 Once proficiency is defined, any grades attached to the level must be clearly defined, communicated, & understood by Ts Ss Ps #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:13 PM EDT
    #udlchat #sblchat
    • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:11 PM EDT
      A1. It depends on rubric that includes evidence how wide or broad the scale is. Might be many ways to show "almost there". #sblchat
  • TTmomTT Sep 20 @ 9:13 PM EDT
    In secondary we do eventually have to make the switch to a letter grade. This also must be clearly defined. #SBLchat
    In reply to @TracyMailloux
  • mrsprebble84 Sep 20 @ 9:13 PM EDT
    A1: I feel like this question is asked by stakeholders who view grades as a tool for competition and sorting. SBL isn't for that. #sblchat
  • marykienstra Sep 20 @ 9:13 PM EDT
    true - the communication is the key. Ps want to understand it #sblchat
    In reply to @RESP3CTtheGAME
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:13 PM EDT
    I wish it weren't so, but that is the reality for most. #sblchat
    In reply to @marykienstra
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:13 PM EDT
    Lurk away Andrew! Love on your kids! #sblchat
    • ezigbo_ Sep 20 @ 9:11 PM EDT
      Andrew Maxey, Director of Special Programs in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Lurking on #sblchat while getting some fantastic kids to bed.
  • TTmomTT Sep 20 @ 9:13 PM EDT
    We shared a brain on that response :-) #sblchat
    In reply to @RESP3CTtheGAME
  • dbuckedu Sep 20 @ 9:14 PM EDT
    A1: Communication is key. Does the learner understand & can articulate why their evidence earned the level 3? No use if Ss can't. #sblchat
  • bohndrake Sep 20 @ 9:14 PM EDT
    Amen #sblchat
    In reply to @mrsprebble84
  • KatieWhite426 Sep 20 @ 9:14 PM EDT
    I explain a 3 using a door metaphor.Ss need to walk through on their own.The door is well-defined w/specific criteria/indicators #sblchat
  • datiepriest Sep 20 @ 9:14 PM EDT
    A1 Let's review together what the levels look like in real time for the Ts and Ss. I need a guide for my own understanding. #truth #sblchat
  • mrchokshi Sep 20 @ 9:14 PM EDT
    Could traditional grades more clearly communicate learning of specific skills & content or is 1-4 rubric necessary? #SBLchat
    In reply to @walkerjd40
  • marykienstra Sep 20 @ 9:14 PM EDT
    don't you feel like that is a communication issue or a PR issue? #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • TracyMailloux Sep 20 @ 9:14 PM EDT
    Interestingly , doesn't a C in traditional systems show proficient aka average by some standards? #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:14 PM EDT
    Kelly, we're excited to welcome you to tonight's #sblchat!
    • koliver555 Sep 20 @ 9:11 PM EDT
      Kelly here tonight. Grandbaby-sitting finished early tonight. Excited to learn. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:14 PM EDT
    They symbols don't matter as much as what they mean regarding student learning. #sblchat
    In reply to @mrchokshi, @walkerjd40
  • TracyMailloux Sep 20 @ 9:14 PM EDT
    This! #sblchat
    • RESP3CTtheGAME Sep 20 @ 9:12 PM EDT
      A1 Once proficiency is defined, any grades attached to the level must be clearly defined, communicated, & understood by Ts Ss Ps #sblchat
  • leeannjung Sep 20 @ 9:15 PM EDT
    A welcoming environment means doing away with a focus on compliance. #sblchat #leadlap #edchat
  • jfprovencher27 Sep 20 @ 9:15 PM EDT
    a C is minimum achievement #sblchat
  • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:15 PM EDT
    "Competition and sorting" speaks volumes. We know that's not what standards, learning & teaching are about. #sblchat
    In reply to @mrsprebble84
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:15 PM EDT
    Our Proficient (3.0) equates to a B range in our Standards-Based Learning environment. #sblchat
    • TracyMailloux Sep 20 @ 9:14 PM EDT
      Interestingly , doesn't a C in traditional systems show proficient aka average by some standards? #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:15 PM EDT
    Letter grades have a long history in education & so many claim to 'understand' them. Funny thing is that I don't most of the time! #sblchat
    In reply to @marykienstra
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:16 PM EDT
    Q2 Respond to this: A level 4 is elusive (like a unicorn - you heard it existed but have never seen it). #sblchat
  • mrsprebble84 Sep 20 @ 9:16 PM EDT
    Many Ps don't view a C as either proficient or average anymore. One reason we need a form of feedback that is clearly defined. #sblchat
    In reply to @TracyMailloux
  • marykienstra Sep 20 @ 9:16 PM EDT
    and if you believe in #Growthmindset then #SBL is the only way to go #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman, @mrchokshi, @walkerjd40
  • koliver555 Sep 20 @ 9:16 PM EDT
    A1 This change is hard. I wish we could translate grades to colors or something no one has background experience. Fresh start! #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:16 PM EDT
    A C in a traditional system can mean so many things... #sblchat
    In reply to @TracyMailloux
  • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:16 PM EDT
    True; this is a time for everyone to literally be on the same page. #sblchat
    In reply to @datiepriest
  • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:16 PM EDT
    I like the metaphor but why did you add “on their own.” All levels should be what a student can do independently. #sblchat
    In reply to @KatieWhite426
  • marykienstra Sep 20 @ 9:16 PM EDT
    it's time to shake things up! #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • mrsprebble84 Sep 20 @ 9:16 PM EDT
    It isn't. Sadly it has become the main "outcome" of school. #sblchat
    In reply to @Perednia
  • RESP3CTtheGAME Sep 20 @ 9:16 PM EDT
    Bring it on! Start by following a hashtag on Tweetdeck, then jump in! Your voice in education matters #sblchat
    In reply to @CoachCollinsJC
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:17 PM EDT
    A2 - Level 4.0 or Mastery should signify our Learner is Consistently Proficient AND can extend the Learning and Application. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:17 PM EDT
    A2 Level 4 (more advanced than proficient) must be defined/described for students. They need an idea of what that work looks like. #sblchat
  • datiepriest Sep 20 @ 9:17 PM EDT
    A1. Let's also review what the process looks like to ensure Ps understand what SBL means for Ss and Ts. #alsoformyownunderstanding #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:17 PM EDT
    When grades become meaningful, it's easier for Parents, Learners, and Educators to understand them. #sblchat
    • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:15 PM EDT
      Letter grades have a long history in education & so many claim to 'understand' them. Funny thing is that I don't most of the time! #sblchat
      In reply to @marykienstra
  • bohndrake Sep 20 @ 9:17 PM EDT
    Shouldn't every kid be a 4 somewhere in their life ?? #sblchat
  • TTmomTT Sep 20 @ 9:17 PM EDT
    I was typing this same response. If Ss don't have As, Ps don't feel they've learned. #sblchat
    In reply to @mrsprebble84, @TracyMailloux
  • mrchokshi Sep 20 @ 9:17 PM EDT
    Tell me more. What if Ss could re-take an assessment until they got they grade they wanted & deserved? #sblchat
    In reply to @marykienstra, @garnet_hillman, @walkerjd40
  • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:17 PM EDT
    You're right, but I keep hoping/working for bettr. #sblchat
    In reply to @mrsprebble84
  • KatieBudrow Sep 20 @ 9:18 PM EDT
    A2 Come to my room, and my students will show you what it can look like! #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:18 PM EDT
    Feedback makes all the difference in inspiring greater proficiency! #sblchat
    • mrsprebble84 Sep 20 @ 9:16 PM EDT
      Many Ps don't view a C as either proficient or average anymore. One reason we need a form of feedback that is clearly defined. #sblchat
      In reply to @TracyMailloux
  • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:18 PM EDT
    Yes, if they are clearly defined but the problem is traditional grades have too much baggage & misunderstanding attached to them. #sblchat
    In reply to @mrchokshi, @walkerjd40
  • bohndrake Sep 20 @ 9:18 PM EDT
    That's the secret !!! #sblchat
    In reply to @mrchokshi, @marykienstra, @garnet_hillman, @walkerjd40
  • KatieWhite426 Sep 20 @ 9:18 PM EDT
    A2:Shouldn't be elusive.We need to notice proficiency when it happens & plan for enrichment. Ss need ways/time to deepen learning #sblchat
  • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:18 PM EDT
    They do fit together so well! #sblchat #growthmindset
    In reply to @marykienstra, @garnet_hillman, @mrchokshi, @walkerjd40
  • marykienstra Sep 20 @ 9:18 PM EDT
    level 3 meets std; level 4 takes that learning and applies to a new situation; needs to be communicated clearly #sblchat
    In reply to @RoweRikW
  • donsmithedu Sep 20 @ 9:18 PM EDT
    A2: At times this misconception is correct. When teams are first starting out, it's hard to provide clarity to a 4. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:19 PM EDT
    RT Q2 Respond to this: A level 4 is elusive (like a unicorn - you heard it existed but have never seen it). #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:19 PM EDT
    We have to be clear on reassessment - it doesn't always mean the same assessment tool. We are searching for proficiency. #sblchat
    In reply to @mrchokshi, @marykienstra, @walkerjd40
  • TracyMailloux Sep 20 @ 9:19 PM EDT
    Yes, which to me means sbl and grading is actually clear if we take the time to learn about it and teach it. #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:19 PM EDT
    Average as a descriptor should never be part of any grading system. #sblchat
    In reply to @TracyMailloux
  • aollenburg Sep 20 @ 9:19 PM EDT
    A4: Level 4 - S was presented with a way they could apply a thought/concept that has not been taught/asked before and they can #sblchat
  • TTmomTT Sep 20 @ 9:19 PM EDT
    A2: if a 4 is "elusive" then what is your definition of 4? Is it proficiency or mastery and how do you define each? #sblchat
  • marykienstra Sep 20 @ 9:19 PM EDT
    why not? if we are measuring proficiency, retakes are essential. #sblchat
    In reply to @mrchokshi, @garnet_hillman, @walkerjd40
  • aollenburg Sep 20 @ 9:19 PM EDT
    Should have been A2 #sorry #sblchat
    • aollenburg Sep 20 @ 9:19 PM EDT
      A4: Level 4 - S was presented with a way they could apply a thought/concept that has not been taught/asked before and they can #sblchat
  • mrsprebble84 Sep 20 @ 9:19 PM EDT
    A2: Let's work together to redefine the 4. Clear expectations will help Ts know when to use a 4 and Ss know when to expect one. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:20 PM EDT
    Tonight's #sblchat is responding to this 9/17 article by @DonnaStGeorge. Read it here! https://t.co/DT89unYMcz Join us In Session NOW!
  • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:20 PM EDT
    A4. Scored 4's when Ss have met requirements of the rubric, which they knew about in advance. And had chance to redo work to meet. #sblchat
  • mrsprebble84 Sep 20 @ 9:20 PM EDT
    This is one reason we don't use a 4 on our scale. #sblchat
    In reply to @TTmomTT, @TracyMailloux
  • Fridays85 Sep 20 @ 9:20 PM EDT
    #sblchat ...and if they get an 80% what is the 20% they didn't understand? Was that 20% essential?
    • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:18 PM EDT
      Yes, if they are clearly defined but the problem is traditional grades have too much baggage & misunderstanding attached to them. #sblchat
      In reply to @mrchokshi, @walkerjd40
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:20 PM EDT
    Proving exemplars is helpful though we must allow our Learners to show Mastery in ways that are meaningful for them! #sblchat
    • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:17 PM EDT
      A2 Level 4 (more advanced than proficient) must be defined/described for students. They need an idea of what that work looks like. #sblchat
  • koliver555 Sep 20 @ 9:20 PM EDT
    Yes, extend, create, apply, connect. For our teams, Examplary/Mastery cannot be attained in a single "assignment" or text. #sblchat
    In reply to @RoweRikW
  • TTmomTT Sep 20 @ 9:20 PM EDT
    I dream of a time when grades more closely represent what a student knows, not what they've "done" #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7, @mrchokshi, @walkerjd40
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:21 PM EDT
    I want to be a 4.0... #sblchat
  • aollenburg Sep 20 @ 9:21 PM EDT
    A key to SBL. Multiple ways to assess & demonstrate understanding. #sblchat
    • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:19 PM EDT
      We have to be clear on reassessment - it doesn't always mean the same assessment tool. We are searching for proficiency. #sblchat
      In reply to @mrchokshi, @marykienstra, @walkerjd40
  • marykienstra Sep 20 @ 9:21 PM EDT
    and not every kid has to do it the same way - such a shift in thinking. It is TIME to make the change #sblchat
    In reply to @RoweRikW
  • dbuckedu Sep 20 @ 9:21 PM EDT
    A2: The same ambiguity that surrounds the definition of mastery. What do we decide is the evidence for mastery? Ts must decide. #sblchat
  • KatieWhite426 Sep 20 @ 9:21 PM EDT
    I emphasize it in those contexts where Ts ask if a S is a 3 when demo'd the criteria w/support (helped a S organize writing 1/2 #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:21 PM EDT
    Define traditional grades - do you mean simply letters instead of numbers or grading practices as well? #sblchat
    In reply to @mrchokshi, @marykienstra, @walkerjd40
  • walkerjd40 Sep 20 @ 9:21 PM EDT
    A2 #sblchat Level 4 is not a level we are currently using. This is only our 2nd year, so we didn't feel we were ready for level 4.
  • marykienstra Sep 20 @ 9:22 PM EDT
    not as easily - traditional grades are an endpoint. #sbl is a continuum #sblchat
    In reply to @mrchokshi, @garnet_hillman, @walkerjd40
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:22 PM EDT
    Agreed! When our Learners are Engaged in Relevant Learning, they LOVE it! #sblchat Bring it on!
    • KatieBudrow Sep 20 @ 9:18 PM EDT
      A2 Come to my room, and my students will show you what it can look like! #sblchat
  • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:22 PM EDT
    So true! #sblchat
    • marykienstra Sep 20 @ 9:21 PM EDT
      and not every kid has to do it the same way - such a shift in thinking. It is TIME to make the change #sblchat
      In reply to @RoweRikW
  • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:22 PM EDT
    Shouldn’t be elusive if clearly defined, students learn well, & teachers provide ass'ts that allow for full range of performance. #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • mrchokshi Sep 20 @ 9:22 PM EDT
    Agreed,but sometimes performance is necessary for assessing mastery of skill.I want to know what Ss can do, not just what they know #SBLchat
    In reply to @TTmomTT, @kenoc7, @walkerjd40
  • TracyMailloux Sep 20 @ 9:22 PM EDT
    A2 That level of understanding requires a lot of evidence to support the grade and feedback. Harder to receive than trad A. #sblchat
  • koliver555 Sep 20 @ 9:22 PM EDT
    A2 Our goal is to support all students to that level of mastery. #sblchat
    In reply to @KatieWhite426
  • jennferguson22 Sep 20 @ 9:22 PM EDT
    A2. In order to get there it's imp that S know how & why & that it's a place they can continue to refine the skill they've demo'd #sblchat
  • RESP3CTtheGAME Sep 20 @ 9:23 PM EDT
    A2 Level 4 is within reach for any learner & should be attainable. Pushes learners to extend mastery, create meaningful outcomes #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:23 PM EDT
    Thank You! Universal Design for Learning (UDL) can bring out the best in our Learners! #sblchat #udlchat
    • marykienstra Sep 20 @ 9:21 PM EDT
      and not every kid has to do it the same way - such a shift in thinking. It is TIME to make the change #sblchat
      In reply to @RoweRikW
  • walkerjd40 Sep 20 @ 9:23 PM EDT
    #sblchat Level 4 comes once the culture of the school changes.
  • dbuckedu Sep 20 @ 9:23 PM EDT
    A2: Level 4 is the doing and the demonstration of the skill/objective. Can you ride the bicycle? Either you can or you can't. #sblchat
  • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:23 PM EDT
    I get what Garrison Keillor said. We are all above average. #sblchat
    In reply to @RoweRikW
  • TTmomTT Sep 20 @ 9:23 PM EDT
    When I say do I'm referring to completion of a task where learning wasn't necessarily assessed. #sblchat
    In reply to @mrchokshi, @kenoc7, @walkerjd40
  • ezigbo_ Sep 20 @ 9:23 PM EDT
    Unless you mean letter grades (v 100 point scale), I have a hard time envisioning how traditional grades CAN be well defined #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7, @mrchokshi, @walkerjd40
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:24 PM EDT
    ALL Learners! #sblchat #udlchat
    • koliver555 Sep 20 @ 9:22 PM EDT
      A2 Our goal is to support all students to that level of mastery. #sblchat
      In reply to @KatieWhite426
  • elissafield Sep 20 @ 9:24 PM EDT
    I love our district's new data mgmnt system, which lets us attach exact standards to every assmt so grade has meaning toward goal. #sblchat
    In reply to @RoweRikW
  • mrchokshi Sep 20 @ 9:24 PM EDT
    Agreed! I say participation & completion grades should be banned. Don't grade behavior & compliance! #SBLchat
    In reply to @TTmomTT, @kenoc7, @walkerjd40
  • marykienstra Sep 20 @ 9:24 PM EDT
    #SBL needs more and better advocates - traditional grades are old news. It's time to make learning the goal, not grades #sblchat
    In reply to @RoweRikW
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:25 PM EDT
    Q3 Respond to this: Parents don’t know their student’s proficiency levels in a standards based system. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:25 PM EDT
    BAM!! #sblchat
    • elissafield Sep 20 @ 9:24 PM EDT
      I love our district's new data mgmnt system, which lets us attach exact standards to every assmt so grade has meaning toward goal. #sblchat
      In reply to @RoweRikW
  • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:25 PM EDT
    Yes, yes, yes. Me too. #sblchat
    • TTmomTT Sep 20 @ 9:20 PM EDT
      I dream of a time when grades more closely represent what a student knows, not what they've "done" #sblchat
      In reply to @kenoc7, @mrchokshi, @walkerjd40
  • KatieWhite426 Sep 20 @ 9:25 PM EDT
    That last part is often what is missing-opportunity #sblchat
    • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:22 PM EDT
      Shouldn’t be elusive if clearly defined, students learn well, & teachers provide ass'ts that allow for full range of performance. #sblchat
      In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • walkerjd40 Sep 20 @ 9:25 PM EDT
    #sblchat I would say traditional is the idea of grading everything and averaging, assigning a letter grade to that average.
    In reply to @garnet_hillman, @mrchokshi, @marykienstra
  • marykienstra Sep 20 @ 9:25 PM EDT
    both - traditional collection of points and letter grades; #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman, @mrchokshi, @walkerjd40
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:26 PM EDT
    A3 Parents can be in the dark about student proficiency no matter the grading system. Clear communication is essential. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:26 PM EDT
    A3 - With Standards-Based Grading, Learners & Parents are more aware of levels of understanding since more is communicated. #sblchat
  • ezigbo_ Sep 20 @ 9:26 PM EDT
    A2: Don't think it's so much that 4 is elusive as that it's unlikely for anyone to exceed proficient consistently across the board #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:26 PM EDT
    When we make Learning the Goal, it will happen. Make sure our Learners see the relevance! #sblchat
    • marykienstra Sep 20 @ 9:24 PM EDT
      #SBL needs more and better advocates - traditional grades are old news. It's time to make learning the goal, not grades #sblchat
      In reply to @RoweRikW
  • Fridays85 Sep 20 @ 9:26 PM EDT
    #sblchat Agreed or communicated in a different way
    • mrchokshi Sep 20 @ 9:24 PM EDT
      Agreed! I say participation & completion grades should be banned. Don't grade behavior & compliance! #SBLchat
      In reply to @TTmomTT, @kenoc7, @walkerjd40
  • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:26 PM EDT
    “with support” is what happens during instruction, NOT during (summative) assessment. #sblchat
    In reply to @KatieWhite426
  • marykienstra Sep 20 @ 9:26 PM EDT
    but if you continue to average points, it does not reflect their proficiency on a skill #sblchat
    In reply to @mrchokshi, @garnet_hillman, @walkerjd40
  • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:26 PM EDT
    @KatieBudrow And they will tell you a year or longer later that they loved their time in your room. (Few things are as thrilling.) #sblchat
    In reply to @RoweRikW, @KatieBudrow
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:26 PM EDT
    #STOPIT (traditional grading that is...) #sblchat
    • walkerjd40 Sep 20 @ 9:25 PM EDT
      #sblchat I would say traditional is the idea of grading everything and averaging, assigning a letter grade to that average.
      In reply to @garnet_hillman, @mrchokshi, @marykienstra
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:27 PM EDT
    A3 - In our Standards-Based Learning & Grading, our Learners are more Engaged in our Learning and very aware of their Proficiency. #sblchat
  • TTmomTT Sep 20 @ 9:27 PM EDT
    Communication of these skills is essential just not included in the grade. #sblchat
    In reply to @Fridays85
  • mrsprebble84 Sep 20 @ 9:27 PM EDT
    A3: If Ps don't know or understand their Ss proficiency level than standards and proficiency need to be more clearly defined. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:27 PM EDT
    Melt every time I hear this from our Learners! Heard it this week! #sblchat
    • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:26 PM EDT
      @KatieBudrow And they will tell you a year or longer later that they loved their time in your room. (Few things are as thrilling.) #sblchat
      In reply to @RoweRikW, @KatieBudrow
  • mrchokshi Sep 20 @ 9:27 PM EDT
    Just letters for "traditional" instead of #s but grading practices = #sblchat Too often Ts get hung up debating #s instead of learning goal.
    In reply to @garnet_hillman, @marykienstra, @walkerjd40
  • aollenburg Sep 20 @ 9:27 PM EDT
    And after formative assessment...#sblchat
    • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:26 PM EDT
      “with support” is what happens during instruction, NOT during (summative) assessment. #sblchat
      In reply to @KatieWhite426
  • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:27 PM EDT
    It took me time to see that, but it's true. #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7, @KatieWhite426
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:28 PM EDT
    RT Q3 Respond to this: Parents don’t know their student’s proficiency levels in a standards based system. #sblchat
  • marykienstra Sep 20 @ 9:28 PM EDT
    true - communication of proficiency is the goal #sblchat
    In reply to @mrsprebble84
  • KatieBudrow Sep 20 @ 9:28 PM EDT
    Couldn't agree more. Especially about the thrilling part! #sblchat
    In reply to @Perednia, @RoweRikW
  • JoshKunnath Sep 20 @ 9:28 PM EDT
    A2 Effective implementation requires equal clarity of all proficiency levels for teachers, administrators, students, and parents. #SBLchat
  • TracyMailloux Sep 20 @ 9:28 PM EDT
    A3 I have not done my job as communicator to my Ss families if grades are unclear or surprising. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:28 PM EDT
    Happy kids = happy parents. #sblchat
    In reply to @RoweRikW
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:28 PM EDT
    #GoodCallsHome helps with this... #sblchat
    • mrsprebble84 Sep 20 @ 9:27 PM EDT
      A3: If Ps don't know or understand their Ss proficiency level than standards and proficiency need to be more clearly defined. #sblchat
  • jennferguson22 Sep 20 @ 9:28 PM EDT
    A3 P, S, T didn't really know with trad. grades either. Isn't about the # it's about the words/feedback given to grow learning #sblchat
  • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:28 PM EDT
    You can describe an A just as well as a 1 2 3 or 4 as long as you use words not numbers. #sblchat
    In reply to @ezigbo_, @mrchokshi, @walkerjd40
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:28 PM EDT
    Happy Community! #sblchat
  • TTmomTT Sep 20 @ 9:28 PM EDT
    I like to use most current evidence #sblchat
    In reply to @marykienstra, @mrchokshi, @garnet_hillman, @walkerjd40
  • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:28 PM EDT
    Oh, is this so true! #sblchat
  • KatieWhite426 Sep 20 @ 9:29 PM EDT
    A3: If that's the case, then no matter the symbol, we arent sharing evid of S learning enough & + we have to share concerns early #sblchat
  • mrsprebble84 Sep 20 @ 9:29 PM EDT
    Communication is really the bottom line here. A "traditional" systems allows laziness from all parties in this regard. #sblchat
    In reply to @TracyMailloux
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:29 PM EDT
    Then it goes back to what I said before - the symbol used doesn't matter as long as what it means is clear. #sblchat
    In reply to @mrchokshi, @marykienstra, @walkerjd40
  • aollenburg Sep 20 @ 9:29 PM EDT
    Best way to help Ps is make sure the Ss understand it, first. #sblchat
    • mrsprebble84 Sep 20 @ 9:27 PM EDT
      A3: If Ps don't know or understand their Ss proficiency level than standards and proficiency need to be more clearly defined. #sblchat
  • ezigbo_ Sep 20 @ 9:29 PM EDT
    A3: Preposterous. A clear description of the relationship between learning & the learning target is easier understood than a symbol #sblchat
  • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:29 PM EDT
    Can you say more? Meeting a standard is meeting a standard; showing mastery is showing mastery. #sblchat
    In reply to @ezigbo_
  • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:29 PM EDT
    A3 If that is true it is because of poor quality implementation. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:29 PM EDT
    Most recent evidence replaces current proficiency level in our learning environment! #sblchat
    • TTmomTT Sep 20 @ 9:28 PM EDT
      I like to use most current evidence #sblchat
      In reply to @marykienstra, @mrchokshi, @garnet_hillman, @walkerjd40
  • datiepriest Sep 20 @ 9:29 PM EDT
    A3. This is why #engagementmatters. Our goal is to keep Ps as engaged in the learning as the Ss. Strategic support & feedback. #sblchat
  • dbuckedu Sep 20 @ 9:29 PM EDT
    A3: If parents in the dark, it's on the Ts who bear the burden of proof for the change in approach. Not good if not explained. #sblchat
  • walkerjd40 Sep 20 @ 9:30 PM EDT
    A3 #sblchat We have a data tracking sheet for Ss and Ps to view. The students color in their mastery level. Standard is clear.
  • mrsprebble84 Sep 20 @ 9:30 PM EDT
    I don't think many Ps of Ss who are happy and learning complain #sblchat
    In reply to @aollenburg
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:30 PM EDT
    Agreed. This should never be the case. #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7
  • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:30 PM EDT
    @kenoc7 And once that clicks for a teacher, oh how the students can respond and soar. #sblchat
    In reply to @KatieWhite426, @kenoc7
  • ezigbo_ Sep 20 @ 9:30 PM EDT
    Yes, I agree with that. Letter grades can be well defined. My doubt is in reference to defining gradations of the 100 point scale #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7, @mrchokshi, @walkerjd40
  • kirk_humphreys Sep 20 @ 9:30 PM EDT
    A3: if done correctly it should. #sblchat
  • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:30 PM EDT
    Please never use “exceeds.” #sblchat
    In reply to @ezigbo_
  • marykienstra Sep 20 @ 9:30 PM EDT
    exceeding is applying the skill to a new situation. True - not all standards can be exceeded, but many can. #sblchat
    In reply to @ezigbo_
  • KatieWhite426 Sep 20 @ 9:31 PM EDT
    I agree. I just don't think this is universally understood. Especially in ELA, for example. #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7
  • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:31 PM EDT
    I've darn near cried in the grocery store after convos with former students. Oh. Wow. #sblchat
    In reply to @KatieBudrow, @RoweRikW
  • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:31 PM EDT
    I'm sure you have! #sblchat
    In reply to @RoweRikW
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:31 PM EDT
    Educators, we MUST initiate the conversation. Use #GoodCallsHome to inspire and heighten learning! #sblchat
    • dbuckedu Sep 20 @ 9:29 PM EDT
      A3: If parents in the dark, it's on the Ts who bear the burden of proof for the change in approach. Not good if not explained. #sblchat
  • TTmomTT Sep 20 @ 9:31 PM EDT
    A3: I find Ps understand their Ss level of proficiency better in SBL because it's clearly defined. They also know their Ss needs. #sblchat
  • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:31 PM EDT
    Yes, FA is part of instruction. #sblchat
    In reply to @aollenburg
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:32 PM EDT
    Man am I having trouble keeping up in #sblchat Tonight...
  • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:32 PM EDT
    A3. If Ps are part of the convo from the start, it sure helps them know what's up. And they deserve it. As do their Ss. #sblchat
  • Fridays85 Sep 20 @ 9:32 PM EDT
    #sblchat We are looking for a better descriptor. What do other use?
    • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:30 PM EDT
      Please never use “exceeds.” #sblchat
      In reply to @ezigbo_
  • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:32 PM EDT
    True, but sadly they think they did. #sblchat
    • jennferguson22 Sep 20 @ 9:28 PM EDT
      A3 P, S, T didn't really know with trad. grades either. Isn't about the # it's about the words/feedback given to grow learning #sblchat
  • ezigbo_ Sep 20 @ 9:33 PM EDT
    am assuming a 3 represents mastery and a 4 represents exceeding mastery. Also mean all 4s on all subject all the time is unlikely #sblchat
    In reply to @Perednia
  • donsmithedu Sep 20 @ 9:33 PM EDT
    A3: Schools need to clearly communicate to everyone. Proficiency levels should be posted on websites, by standard, for everyone. #sblchat
  • KatieWhite426 Sep 20 @ 9:33 PM EDT
    A3: A fundamental misunderstanding is that sbl doesn't give you less info...it gives you more, when implemented w/fidelity #sblchat
  • koliver555 Sep 20 @ 9:33 PM EDT
    A3 We have our best success when we ask students to explain the feedback process and their appreciation of it and reasons why. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:33 PM EDT
    Been there many times! #sblchat
    • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:31 PM EDT
      I've darn near cried in the grocery store after convos with former students. Oh. Wow. #sblchat
      In reply to @KatieBudrow, @RoweRikW
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:34 PM EDT
    Q4 Respond to this: Standards Based report cards don’t make sense. #sblchat
  • mrsprebble84 Sep 20 @ 9:34 PM EDT
    We are in our first year but chose not to use a descriptor and to differentiate above a 3 with narrative feedback. #sblchat
    In reply to @Fridays85
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:34 PM EDT
    Regular, dare I say DAILY...? #sblchat
    • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:31 PM EDT
      Yes, FA is part of instruction. #sblchat
      In reply to @aollenburg
  • hoffmanteambret Sep 20 @ 9:34 PM EDT
    Bam! #sblchat
    • donsmithedu Sep 20 @ 9:33 PM EDT
      A3: Schools need to clearly communicate to everyone. Proficiency levels should be posted on websites, by standard, for everyone. #sblchat
  • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:34 PM EDT
    Never use “exceeds,” “excels” is much better. #sblchat
    In reply to @marykienstra, @ezigbo_
  • ezigbo_ Sep 20 @ 9:34 PM EDT
    Point taken. Is your position that a 4 represents mastery or that a 4 is a clearly defined level of achievement other than mastery? #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7
  • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:34 PM EDT
    That's where I changed assignments up so FA is not only product students produce. Lots of interactive, SA modeling &beforehand. #sblchat
    In reply to @KatieWhite426, @kenoc7
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:35 PM EDT
    A4 Again, clear communication re: a new report card is critical to understand what info is on the report and what it means. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:35 PM EDT
    A4 - Actually Standards-Based report cards can provide significantly more details behind the heightened learning. #sblchat
  • TracyMailloux Sep 20 @ 9:35 PM EDT
    That's what we do #sblchat
    In reply to @mrsprebble84, @Fridays85
  • RESP3CTtheGAME Sep 20 @ 9:35 PM EDT
    A3 While teacher communication of proficiency is necessary, it's more effective when learners share impact of #sblchat & celebrate growth
    • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:27 PM EDT
      A3 - In our Standards-Based Learning & Grading, our Learners are more Engaged in our Learning and very aware of their Proficiency. #sblchat
  • ezigbo_ Sep 20 @ 9:35 PM EDT
    That makes sense. #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7, @marykienstra
  • marykienstra Sep 20 @ 9:35 PM EDT
    the change over is the most difficult - but SO worth it. they make sense when you understand and communicate with all stakeholders #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:35 PM EDT
    “Excels” “advanced” #sblchat
    In reply to @Fridays85
  • TTmomTT Sep 20 @ 9:35 PM EDT
    A4: How does an A make sense? Did you know 100% of the Stds, complete 95% of the work or just be there every day? #SBLchat
  • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:35 PM EDT
    Ah! 3 is meets standard in our district with 4 exceeds standard. #sblchat
    In reply to @ezigbo_
  • MrsSmithThinks Sep 20 @ 9:36 PM EDT
    A1: the window of proficiency is actually quite narrow. There's a lot of breadth as we move toward the 3. #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • kirk_humphreys Sep 20 @ 9:36 PM EDT
    A4: then you're doing it wrong. #sblchat
  • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:36 PM EDT
    I’m starting to see “mastery” asa problem word too. “Proficient” is much better. #sblchat
    In reply to @ezigbo_, @Perednia
  • donsmithedu Sep 20 @ 9:36 PM EDT
    A4: Depending on the communication to S's, and P's, they may not make sense. We cannot expect understanding without support #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:37 PM EDT
    RT Q4 Respond to this: Standards Based report cards don’t make sense. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:37 PM EDT
    How would you respond to a parent who made that comment? #sblchat
    In reply to @kirk_humphreys
  • MrsSmithThinks Sep 20 @ 9:37 PM EDT
    A2: We need to provide exemplars and clearly define all levels. #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • mrsprebble84 Sep 20 @ 9:37 PM EDT
    A4: New things always take awhile to understand. I hope we can work together to make our reports as clear as possible. #sblchat
  • KatieWhite426 Sep 20 @ 9:37 PM EDT
    Exactly & there is a time to step back & see how Ss do on their own (summative verification). Even in ELA #sblchat
    • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:34 PM EDT
      That's where I changed assignments up so FA is not only product students produce. Lots of interactive, SA modeling &beforehand. #sblchat
      In reply to @KatieWhite426, @kenoc7
  • jennferguson22 Sep 20 @ 9:37 PM EDT
    A4. Sadly sometimes they don't. Work with stakeholders to communicate - host parent nights, invite feedback, focus on the why #sblchat
  • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:37 PM EDT
    Minute to minute, day to day FA is what is most important, not the formal FA’s. #sblchat
    In reply to @RoweRikW
  • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:37 PM EDT
    @RoweRikW Amazing what student ownership can do. #sblchat
    In reply to @RESP3CTtheGAME, @RoweRikW
  • gerryswan2 Sep 20 @ 9:38 PM EDT
    Please share evidence that U use 2 explain why your SB system produces better results? e.g. this school made grading more rigorous. #sblchat
  • aollenburg Sep 20 @ 9:38 PM EDT
    A4: They must be developed with much care and with the proper amount of time. #sblchat
  • TTmomTT Sep 20 @ 9:38 PM EDT
    I've seen some use a proficiency level, then mastery where mastery is almost unattainable. I like proficient as well. #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7, @ezigbo_, @Perednia
  • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:38 PM EDT
    Definitely! Sometimes the struggle is where the greatest learning takes place. #sblchat
    In reply to @KatieWhite426
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:38 PM EDT
    Yes! We're always in an Assessing and proving Feedback loop FOR Retained Learning! #sblchat
    • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:37 PM EDT
      Minute to minute, day to day FA is what is most important, not the formal FA’s. #sblchat
      In reply to @RoweRikW
  • MrsSmithThinks Sep 20 @ 9:38 PM EDT
    A3: The communication in a Standards-based system should be a more valid representation of student learning. #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • hoffmanteambret Sep 20 @ 9:38 PM EDT
    Agree on proficient, also like to stress independence on application of standard. #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7, @ezigbo_, @Perednia
  • KatieBudrow Sep 20 @ 9:39 PM EDT
    Excellent question. #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman, @kirk_humphreys
  • mrsprebble84 Sep 20 @ 9:39 PM EDT
    I don't know that I want my feedback to be rigorous. I want it to be clear and to drive learning. #sblchat
    In reply to @gerryswan2
  • KatieWhite426 Sep 20 @ 9:39 PM EDT
    A4: A RC is a communication tool. We have to develop a shared language to communicate. That has to come first. #sblchat
  • hoffmanteambret Sep 20 @ 9:39 PM EDT
    Love this! #sblchat
    • MrsSmithThinks Sep 20 @ 9:37 PM EDT
      A2: We need to provide exemplars and clearly define all levels. #sblchat
      In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • dbuckedu Sep 20 @ 9:39 PM EDT
    A4: It's like learning a new language.Many times, the old language fossilizes. Must break out of old way of thinking about learning #sblchat
  • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:39 PM EDT
    IMO if we use 4 levels, 4 is excels, 3 is proficient. In hitting in baseball .350 or higher is excelling, .250 is proficient. #sblchat
    In reply to @ezigbo_
  • koliver555 Sep 20 @ 9:39 PM EDT
    A4 SB report cards make more sense. Feedback is specific and meaningful. "Grades" can be complicated by many unrelated factors. #sblchat
  • ezigbo_ Sep 20 @ 9:39 PM EDT
    That is also preposterous (yet common). It is unreasonable to set a goal that is unattainable. That is not the purpose of goals. #sblchat
    In reply to @TTmomTT, @kenoc7, @Perednia
  • datiepriest Sep 20 @ 9:39 PM EDT
    A4. Share your thinking about #sbl to help me understand why you feel it doesn't make sense #sblchat
  • marykienstra Sep 20 @ 9:39 PM EDT
    use evidence from many different sources/assignments to show proficiency - much more authentic #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7, @RoweRikW
  • mrsprebble84 Sep 20 @ 9:40 PM EDT
    I love that "shared language to communicate". Important know matter what the feedback system is. #sblchat
    In reply to @KatieWhite426
  • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:40 PM EDT
    Oh, that's good. #sblchat
    In reply to @donsmithedu
  • MrsSmithThinks Sep 20 @ 9:40 PM EDT
    A4: Communication is key! And we need to be responsive to feedback and collaborate. #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:40 PM EDT
    Not “exceeds” please. #sblchat
    In reply to @Perednia, @ezigbo_
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:40 PM EDT
    #UDLchat #sblchat
    • marykienstra Sep 20 @ 9:21 PM EDT
      and not every kid has to do it the same way - such a shift in thinking. It is TIME to make the change #sblchat
      In reply to @RoweRikW
  • JoshKunnath Sep 20 @ 9:40 PM EDT
    A4: A big part of any grading reform involves educating all parties about the purpose of grades & the new methods--clarity is key #sblchat
  • gerryswan2 Sep 20 @ 9:41 PM EDT
    I like that. What is evidence that it is clearer or more accurate/valid than traditional? #sblchat
    In reply to @mrsprebble84
  • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:41 PM EDT
    Appreciate learning more. #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7, @ezigbo_
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:41 PM EDT
    Let's reduce those "unrelated factors" to make grades more meaningful. #sblchat
    • koliver555 Sep 20 @ 9:39 PM EDT
      A4 SB report cards make more sense. Feedback is specific and meaningful. "Grades" can be complicated by many unrelated factors. #sblchat
  • ezigbo_ Sep 20 @ 9:42 PM EDT
    A4: Let's talk #sblchat
  • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:42 PM EDT
    True; goals should be attainable. #sblchat
    In reply to @ezigbo_, @TTmomTT, @kenoc7
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:42 PM EDT
    THIS! #sblchat
    • MrsSmithThinks Sep 20 @ 9:40 PM EDT
      A4: Communication is key! And we need to be responsive to feedback and collaborate. #sblchat
      In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • TTmomTT Sep 20 @ 9:42 PM EDT
    I love to ask my Ss what their letter grade in another class means. Many have never been asked this before. #sblchat
    In reply to @koliver555
  • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:42 PM EDT
    Quality SBR’s provide a rich picture of the child as a learner, but they have to part of a coherent communication SYSTEM. #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • dbuckedu Sep 20 @ 9:42 PM EDT
    A4: Would help if a community of practice surrounding SBG is created to establish a consistent language regarding assessment. #sblchat
  • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:42 PM EDT
    Absolutely, definitely #sblchat
    • MrsSmithThinks Sep 20 @ 9:37 PM EDT
      A2: We need to provide exemplars and clearly define all levels. #sblchat
      In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:43 PM EDT
    Respond to this: Placement for middle school (traditional system) from elementary level (standards based) is more difficult. #sblchat
  • marykienstra Sep 20 @ 9:43 PM EDT
    many time grades include behaviors- late work, not neat enough, etc. #sbl should reflect the learning #sblchat
    In reply to @RoweRikW
  • KatieWhite426 Sep 20 @ 9:43 PM EDT
    A4: I maintain that a RC is not enough communication. We need a system of communication to tell the story of learning. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:43 PM EDT
    Feedback in a standards based system is directly tied to the standards w/ actionable steps to move forward. Trad - maybe/maybe not #sblchat
    In reply to @gerryswan2, @mrsprebble84
  • mrsprebble84 Sep 20 @ 9:43 PM EDT
    Not research but what does it mean when a S has a B in English? #sblchat
    In reply to @gerryswan2
  • gerryswan2 Sep 20 @ 9:43 PM EDT
    Another example (not perfect, but actual data) of evidence that a SB approach is valid as an assessment reporting approach. #sblchat
  • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:43 PM EDT
    ????????? #sblchat
    In reply to @gerryswan2
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:43 PM EDT
    #STOPIT (could not help myself...) #sblchat
    • marykienstra Sep 20 @ 9:43 PM EDT
      many time grades include behaviors- late work, not neat enough, etc. #sbl should reflect the learning #sblchat
      In reply to @RoweRikW
  • walkerjd40 Sep 20 @ 9:43 PM EDT
    A4 #sblchat I have had several discussions with parents that go from not understanding to believing in SBL! It just takes time to rethink.
  • ezigbo_ Sep 20 @ 9:43 PM EDT
    In fairness to parents, traditional grades are familiar and comfortable - even for those who had poor schooling experiences 1/2 #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:44 PM EDT
    A5 - Placement from Elementary to Middle Schools can be improved when educators communicate learning with Standards-Based Grading. #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:44 PM EDT
    A5 Placement for the next grade level is easier with a standards based system. The information in hand is much more specific. #sblchat
  • marykienstra Sep 20 @ 9:44 PM EDT
    depends on the teacher's policies and grading practices #sblchat
    In reply to @mrsprebble84, @gerryswan2
  • TTmomTT Sep 20 @ 9:44 PM EDT
    It should allow for better placement because you know exactly where the Ss ended and what they still need. #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:44 PM EDT
    Oftentimes different in different classes... #STOPIT #sblchat
    • mrsprebble84 Sep 20 @ 9:43 PM EDT
      Not research but what does it mean when a S has a B in English? #sblchat
      In reply to @gerryswan2
  • KatieBudrow Sep 20 @ 9:45 PM EDT
    A5 I would much rather know what a student can DO instead of what they earned. Bring on those skills-based reports! #sblchat
  • MrsSmithThinks Sep 20 @ 9:45 PM EDT
    SBL should give more specific and valid info about the whole profile of a learner. Way more specific than "B" #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • KatieWhite426 Sep 20 @ 9:45 PM EDT
    What do we mean by placement (I am Canadian, eh)? @garnet_hillman #sblchat
  • aollenburg Sep 20 @ 9:45 PM EDT
    And sometimes in the same subject at the same grade level. #sblchat
  • donsmithedu Sep 20 @ 9:45 PM EDT
    A5: Placement is easier when you have data connected to standards. You don't need to do placement tests, you can get right to work #sblchat
  • ezigbo_ Sep 20 @ 9:45 PM EDT
    Logic does not trump emotion and change evokes strong ones. Compassionate communication & advocacy is absolutely essential 2/2 #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:45 PM EDT
    Placement in coursework at the next grade level. #sblchat
    In reply to @KatieWhite426
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:46 PM EDT
    RT Respond to this: Placement for middle school (traditional system) from elementary level (standards based) is more difficult. #sblchat
  • JoshKunnath Sep 20 @ 9:46 PM EDT
    Is this comparing apples to apples? I'm guessing the B did not mean the same as the proficient (P). Clear grade meanings are key. #sblchat
    In reply to @gerryswan2
  • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:46 PM EDT
    Not sure what you mean by “placement.” In streamed classes? #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • jennferguson22 Sep 20 @ 9:46 PM EDT
    A5. Should allow us to be ready to support students from moment they walk in our school. We understand what they understand! #sblchat
  • TracyMailloux Sep 20 @ 9:46 PM EDT
    But just because we've always done it that way doesn't mean it's the best way. We need to educate and inform. #sblchat
    In reply to @ezigbo_
  • gerryswan2 Sep 20 @ 9:46 PM EDT
    I agree, but what are examples of evidence that people provide that their new grades are doing that? #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman, @mrsprebble84
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:47 PM EDT
    Learning is evolving... #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:47 PM EDT
    I believe the comment was regarding which courses the student would be assigned the following year. Advanced vs regular, etc. #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7
  • KatieWhite426 Sep 20 @ 9:47 PM EDT
    Still don't understand. Don't Ss progress through grades or is there some other placement within a grade? #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • Fridays85 Sep 20 @ 9:47 PM EDT
    #sblchat A5 Can more effectively meet students where they are and address they needs and challenge them
  • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:47 PM EDT
    My question and nationality too. #sblchat
    In reply to @KatieWhite426, @garnet_hillman
  • mrsprebble84 Sep 20 @ 9:47 PM EDT
    A5: I think we are confusing "easy" and "efficient". You can't rely on a single data point - but aren't more data points ibetter? #sblchat
  • kirk_humphreys Sep 20 @ 9:48 PM EDT
    All I need is the evidence that show my Ss own their grades, taking ownership in learning and student achievement is up. #sblchat
    In reply to @gerryswan2
  • ezigbo_ Sep 20 @ 9:48 PM EDT
    If you mean (traditional) schools don't like it when you send them kids that've been taught using SBL, then you are 100% correct. #sblchat
  • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:48 PM EDT
    Why are courses at MS streamed? Don’t we have lots of evidence that streaming doesn’t work? #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman, @KatieWhite426
  • KatieWhite426 Sep 20 @ 9:48 PM EDT
    Oh, we don't do that kind of placement where I am from. #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman, @kenoc7
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:49 PM EDT
    Gotcha - there can be other classes that students are placed in within the same grade level. Honors/advanced, regular, etc. #sblchat
    In reply to @KatieWhite426
  • koliver555 Sep 20 @ 9:49 PM EDT
    Much more than a single data point. Multiple opportunities to demonstrate mastery of a skill. #sblchat
    In reply to @mrsprebble84
  • MrsSmithThinks Sep 20 @ 9:49 PM EDT
    Yes! I am in love with @Seesaw because it focuses on student reflection, collaboration, and feedback. It also captures their work! #sblchat
    In reply to @KatieWhite426, @Seesaw
  • gerryswan2 Sep 20 @ 9:49 PM EDT
    The DPAN are our state ratings of proficiency. The new grades match up closer than previous grades. School can defend move. #sblchat
    In reply to @JoshKunnath
  • ezigbo_ Sep 20 @ 9:50 PM EDT
    A) see the second tweet B) exactly C) visual attached 😎 #sblchat
    In reply to @TracyMailloux
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:50 PM EDT
    Sometimes doesn't happen in MS but definitely in HS. #sblchat
    In reply to @KatieWhite426, @kenoc7
  • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:50 PM EDT
    Same here, and they are being eliminated in some high schools too where I live. #sblchat
    In reply to @KatieWhite426, @garnet_hillman
  • mrsprebble84 Sep 20 @ 9:50 PM EDT
    We have evidence that Traditional grading doesn't work as well... #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7, @garnet_hillman, @KatieWhite426
  • KatieWhite426 Sep 20 @ 9:50 PM EDT
    I know of so many parents who love this form of communication #sblchat
    • MrsSmithThinks Sep 20 @ 9:49 PM EDT
      Yes! I am in love with @Seesaw because it focuses on student reflection, collaboration, and feedback. It also captures their work! #sblchat
      In reply to @KatieWhite426, @Seesaw
  • MrsSmithThinks Sep 20 @ 9:51 PM EDT
    Do you think the Ss ask better ?s about their learning or are better prepared? #sblchat
    In reply to @ezigbo_
  • gerryswan2 Sep 20 @ 9:51 PM EDT
    How do you show that and demonstrate it is more beneficial. Isn't that the point of this session? #sblchat
    In reply to @kirk_humphreys
  • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:51 PM EDT
    Over 70 colleges in New England have said they support SBG&R for high school students!!! #sblchat
    In reply to @ezigbo_
  • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:51 PM EDT
    Why? #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman, @KatieWhite426
  • ezigbo_ Sep 20 @ 9:51 PM EDT
    Then the answer is same as to ?s about college placement. Clearer, more accurate descriptions of learning are better, not worse #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman, @kenoc7
  • KatieWhite426 Sep 20 @ 9:51 PM EDT
    Yes, but I will admit, not until 10th grade here and only in extreme cases. #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman, @kenoc7
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:52 PM EDT
    Q6 Respond to this: Using an A-D/F scale communicates more than a 4-1 scale. #sblchat
  • MrsSmithThinks Sep 20 @ 9:52 PM EDT
    Yes!!! Ownership and validity are the mission! #sblchat
    • kirk_humphreys Sep 20 @ 9:48 PM EDT
      All I need is the evidence that show my Ss own their grades, taking ownership in learning and student achievement is up. #sblchat
      In reply to @gerryswan2
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:52 PM EDT
    Our Learners are engaged in Collaborative Questioning every day to push the limits of the Learning! #sblchat Love it!
    • MrsSmithThinks Sep 20 @ 9:51 PM EDT
      Do you think the Ss ask better ?s about their learning or are better prepared? #sblchat
      In reply to @ezigbo_
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:52 PM EDT
    Great question. #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7, @KatieWhite426
  • MimiStapleton Sep 20 @ 9:52 PM EDT
    Chats colliding same great topic in #mynextlesson and #sblchat - #student empowerment! @StaciLyon1 @synergyined
    • kirk_humphreys Sep 20 @ 9:48 PM EDT
      All I need is the evidence that show my Ss own their grades, taking ownership in learning and student achievement is up. #sblchat
      In reply to @gerryswan2
  • datiepriest Sep 20 @ 9:52 PM EDT
    A5. This is an opportunity to have vertical conversations between ES and MS about how to transition to #sbl. Assessment vs grades #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:52 PM EDT
    Here is our last question of the night... #sblchat
  • TTmomTT Sep 20 @ 9:52 PM EDT
    I think Ss ask better questions, know if they are prepared or not, and want time to be proficient, not a one shot chance... #sblchat
    In reply to @MrsSmithThinks, @ezigbo_
  • TracyMailloux Sep 20 @ 9:52 PM EDT
    Our high school classes are leveled like this but are open enrollment. #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7, @KatieWhite426, @garnet_hillman
  • mrsprebble84 Sep 20 @ 9:52 PM EDT
    A6: No it doesn't. #sblchat
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:53 PM EDT
    A6 - Actually, our Learners experience greater Learning & Retention with our 4-point scale due to greater ownership! #sblchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:53 PM EDT
    A6 The symbol doesn’t matter as much as what it means. Clear definitions for the letter or number are what create communication. #sblchat
  • MrsSmithThinks Sep 20 @ 9:53 PM EDT
    Love this. #sblchat
    • TracyMailloux Sep 20 @ 9:46 PM EDT
      But just because we've always done it that way doesn't mean it's the best way. We need to educate and inform. #sblchat
      In reply to @ezigbo_
  • technolandy Sep 20 @ 9:53 PM EDT
    5th grade vs Grade 5....! #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7, @KatieWhite426, @garnet_hillman
  • walkerjd40 Sep 20 @ 9:53 PM EDT
    #sblchat I am having a meeting tomorrow with our middle school and high school math teachers....nervous!!
    In reply to @datiepriest
  • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:53 PM EDT
    A6 Depends on descriptors and exemplars. Not true for A-D/F if just a = 90-100%. #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • gerryswan2 Sep 20 @ 9:53 PM EDT
    Thoughts Ken? That was a lot of ? marks. I don't think schools make the argument for switching with evidence enough. #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:54 PM EDT
    RT Q6 Respond to this: Using an A-D/F scale communicates more than a 4-1 scale. #sblchat
  • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:54 PM EDT
    A6. Why? How? #sblchat
  • donsmithedu Sep 20 @ 9:54 PM EDT
    A6: It communicates something that people have been more comfortable with, not necessarily something connected to achievement #sblchat
  • TTmomTT Sep 20 @ 9:54 PM EDT
    The thought is to provide support for those who struggle & challenge those are are bored, I think. Not sure when this shift occured #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7, @garnet_hillman, @KatieWhite426
  • ezigbo_ Sep 20 @ 9:54 PM EDT
    Absolutely. That destroys the argument high schools and middle schools who have not made the switch make against SBL #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:54 PM EDT
    Please keep the communication open and flowing! #sblchat
    • walkerjd40 Sep 20 @ 9:53 PM EDT
      #sblchat I am having a meeting tomorrow with our middle school and high school math teachers....nervous!!
      In reply to @datiepriest
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:54 PM EDT
    I know, but parents say these things! #sblchat
    In reply to @Perednia
  • KatieWhite426 Sep 20 @ 9:54 PM EDT
    A6: That A-F is for an entire course. The 1-4 is by learning goal. Big difference. We can target strengths & areas for growth #sblchat
  • Fridays85 Sep 20 @ 9:55 PM EDT
    #sblchat and better understanding of students know and are able to do. The devil is in the details
    • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:53 PM EDT
      A6 The symbol doesn’t matter as much as what it means. Clear definitions for the letter or number are what create communication. #sblchat
  • ezigbo_ Sep 20 @ 9:55 PM EDT
    My experience is that SBL makes students think much more deeply about their own learning #sblchat
    In reply to @MrsSmithThinks
  • mrsprebble84 Sep 20 @ 9:55 PM EDT
    A6: Communication means that all parties are sending and recieveing the same message. If u dig into A-D/F that is often not so. #sblchat
  • aollenburg Sep 20 @ 9:55 PM EDT
    Thank you! Was trying to figure out how to say that! #sblchat
    • KatieWhite426 Sep 20 @ 9:54 PM EDT
      A6: That A-F is for an entire course. The 1-4 is by learning goal. Big difference. We can target strengths & areas for growth #sblchat
  • ezigbo_ Sep 20 @ 9:56 PM EDT
    Do you have that list handy, btw? #sblchat
    In reply to @kenoc7
  • RobLunak Sep 20 @ 9:56 PM EDT
    A6 only if everyone knows that it means and it always means that #sblchat
  • datiepriest Sep 20 @ 9:56 PM EDT
    The actual letter grades measure absolute and the levels show evidence of mastery towards a goal with metrics to assess w/ feedback #sblchat
  • gerryswan2 Sep 20 @ 9:56 PM EDT
    Sure. Make your evidence based argument. We do not do this enough, which is why people revert to traditional. #sblchat
    In reply to @kirk_humphreys
  • hoffmanteambret Sep 20 @ 9:56 PM EDT
    A6 A is a single data point to cover a multitude of Standards and data pts, 4 is a single data point covering a single data point. #sblchat
  • jennferguson22 Sep 20 @ 9:56 PM EDT
    A6. 1/2 Like most Qs tonight it's about communication. The words you use are more critical to growth then #. 1-4 like a thermometer #sblchat
  • KatieWhite426 Sep 20 @ 9:56 PM EDT
    Yes, it is the celebration, reflection and goal-setting as well as sharing. Just so rich #sblchat
    In reply to @technolandy, @MrsSmithThinks, @Seesaw, @FreshGrade
  • donsmithedu Sep 20 @ 9:56 PM EDT
    I agree! I said in a meeting today that we could use animals for symbols. The key is in what each symbol represents. #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • TTmomTT Sep 20 @ 9:56 PM EDT
    A6: How does an A in a course tell more than a level on each standard? That's like saying I have a car OR I have a 2017 Red Tesla.. #SBLchat
  • garnet_hillman - Moderator Sep 20 @ 9:56 PM EDT
    Wow, what a fast hour of #sblchat this evening! Big thanks to @RoweRikW for co-moderating and to the entire PLN!
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:56 PM EDT
    Kindly extend your gratitude to @garnet_hillman for our great conversation starters tonight! #sblchat
  • technolandy Sep 20 @ 9:56 PM EDT
    A6 I just vented on letter grades over past few days on my days-of-learning blog https://t.co/yuKovmHKdV https://t.co/PCctPhHRXX #sblchat
  • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:56 PM EDT
    I know. I'm that teacher who asks parents to tell me more. I want to know so we can go forward from where we're both at. #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman
  • koliver555 Sep 20 @ 9:57 PM EDT
    #sblchat Thank you for a great hour!
  • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:57 PM EDT
    1-4 or 5 or 6 or 7 can be for a whole course. #sblchat
    In reply to @aollenburg
  • jennferguson22 Sep 20 @ 9:57 PM EDT
    A6. 2/2 allowing students to show /understand own growth. Trad letter/# grades seem to be more associated with final grades. #sblchat
  • walkerjd40 Sep 20 @ 9:57 PM EDT
    #sblchat Thank you everyone!! Great chat tonight!
  • technolandy Sep 20 @ 9:57 PM EDT
    I find 1-4 is better able to connect to standards/exemplars/rubrics better than a letter grade which is more of an 'assignment' #sblchat
  • datiepriest Sep 20 @ 9:58 PM EDT
    A6. Engaging the Ps in the process and supporting their concerns helps them make the adaptive changes to their paradigms #sblchat
  • Perednia Sep 20 @ 9:58 PM EDT
    You always make me doublecheck my thinking, which helps students. Many thanks. #sblchat
  • kenoc7 Sep 20 @ 9:59 PM EDT
    It was fast and I did’t catch up until the last minute! Thanks @garnet_hillman and @RoweRikW #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman, @RoweRikW, @garnet_hillman, @RoweRikW
  • marykienstra Sep 20 @ 9:59 PM EDT
    #sbl shows progress towards the goals/standards more than traditional letter grades #sblchat
    In reply to @jennferguson22
  • RESP3CTtheGAME Sep 20 @ 9:59 PM EDT
    Thank you, @garnet_hillman and @RoweRikW As always, great conversations to improve our craft & empower our learners #sblchat
    In reply to @garnet_hillman, @RoweRikW, @garnet_hillman, @RoweRikW
  • RoweRikW Sep 20 @ 9:59 PM EDT
    We use weekly #GoodCallsHome and find it heightens the support, engagement and learning! #sblchat
    • datiepriest Sep 20 @ 9:58 PM EDT
      A6. Engaging the Ps in the process and supporting their concerns helps them make the adaptive changes to their paradigms #sblchat
  • MrsSmithThinks Sep 20 @ 9:59 PM EDT
    A6: Letters or numbers. Communicating behaviors & learning separately aligned 2 standards w/ specific feedback & exemplars matters #sblchat
    In reply to @RoweRikW
  • marykienstra Sep 20 @ 9:59 PM EDT
    Thanks to the #sblchat group - you always make me think! Good chat tonight!
  • TTmomTT Sep 20 @ 9:59 PM EDT
    Thanks @RoweRikW and @garnet_hillman I miss my #sblchat PLN when I have grad class. This was refreshing!
  • KatieBudrow Sep 20 @ 9:59 PM EDT
    Thanks for another great #sblchat everyone! See you all next week! Big thanks to @garnet_hillman and @RoweRikW for moderating!