#ASEchat Archive

The Association for Science Education (ASE) promotes excellence in science teaching and learning. Follow #ASEchat Mondays at 3pm ET.
Monday January 30, 2017
3:00 PM EST
  • participatechat Jan 30 @ 3:00 PM EST
    Participate in the upcoming #ASEchat by sharing resources and collaborating at https://t.co/mKOeusFf0N
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:01 PM EST
    Good evening #ASEChat. The result of the poll is a draw between - real world issues and science skills. 30 minutes on each
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:01 PM EST
    The first topic tonight is how do you teach real world issues? #ASEChat
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:02 PM EST
    Which real world issues should be part of the curriculum #ASEChat
  • MarcNeesam Jan 30 @ 3:03 PM EST
    do you mean national curriculum or school curriculum? Taught curriculum or learnt curriculum? #ASEChat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • anhalf Jan 30 @ 3:04 PM EST
    #asechat good evening. I love using prim update, reach out and newsround for ideas
  • Rendcombbiology Jan 30 @ 3:04 PM EST
    Independent learning projects. Take student beyond the curriculum. #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:04 PM EST
    Good point Marc. I would hope - learnt curriculum and school curriculum #ASEChat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam
  • MarcNeesam Jan 30 @ 3:05 PM EST
    Is the question why teach in real life contexts? What does it add to learning? #ASEChat
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:05 PM EST
    There is precious little space given to real world issues in the science national curriculum #ASEChat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam
  • Rendcombbiology Jan 30 @ 3:05 PM EST
    More on bioethics #ASEChat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • physicsgirluk Jan 30 @ 3:06 PM EST
    #ASEChat For me it's low C energy. Don't normally blog but was invited to do recently https://t.co/YG44Jjnh0u
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:07 PM EST
    Be interested on your views but I am not convinced real life contexts always helps understand principles #ASEChat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam
  • stevethedoc1 Jan 30 @ 3:07 PM EST
    #asechat NO, it is up to us teachers to provide contexts for NC
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:07 PM EST
    Any specific aspects? Reproductive biology, drug testing, genetic modification? #ASEChat
    In reply to @Rendcombbiology
  • MarcNeesam Jan 30 @ 3:08 PM EST
    nat. curriculum should focus on the pure science and leave real life context to teachers so it's brought to life? #ASEChat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:08 PM EST
    Yes, I saw this, and @myGridGB data sets are very useful for teaching carbon reduction in GCSE physics #ASEChat
    In reply to @physicsgirluk, @myGridGB
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jan 30 @ 3:09 PM EST
    @anhalf and @Glazgow ’s 'Topical Science' newsworthy articles brings in science in the real world #asechat https://t.co/dlhUrCyNsX
    • anhalf Jan 30 @ 3:04 PM EST
      #asechat good evening. I love using prim update, reach out and newsround for ideas
  • stevethedoc1 Jan 30 @ 3:09 PM EST
    #asechat agreed, then pupils see where it happens, is relevant, applies to them, so interested
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:10 PM EST
    But do pupils need examples of how learning science can help solve real world problems? #ASEChat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam
  • AssignmentHelpN Jan 30 @ 3:10 PM EST
    #asechat 10 Simple Ways to Use Pinterest For Classroom Teaching https://t.co/0i2sbvZqo7
  • massignmenthelp Jan 30 @ 3:10 PM EST
    #asechat Should the toughest kids be assigned to the best teachers? https://t.co/3NhTh5TF87
  • stevethedoc1 Jan 30 @ 3:10 PM EST
    #asechat check out reachoutreporter as well
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @anhalf, @Glazgow
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:11 PM EST
    follow @MaryUYSEG for science in the news items too #ASEChat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @NeedhamL56, @anhalf, @Glazgow, @MaryUYSEG
  • stevethedoc1 Jan 30 @ 3:11 PM EST
    #asechat 'solve real life problems'!
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jan 30 @ 3:12 PM EST
    . @massignmenthelp it would be respectful if you stopped advertising during our #asechat Join in the chat rather than tweet random links
    In reply to @massignmenthelp
  • MarcNeesam Jan 30 @ 3:12 PM EST
    + protects curriculum from changes in real life context and teachers can use up to date context easily #ASEChat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @ViciaScience
  • stuartphysics Jan 30 @ 3:12 PM EST
    Incl. specific applications in curr can cause problems as applications date unlike concepts #asechat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:12 PM EST
    population growth, disease, water supply and energy provision - suitable for inclusion in NC? #ASEChat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @MarcNeesam
  • gregtheseal Jan 30 @ 3:13 PM EST
    you can see how unpopular real world "thematic" exam specs are eg 21C #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • JulieBrown01 Jan 30 @ 3:13 PM EST
    #ASEchat. Materials we produce do exactly that and external evaluations have show it increases pupil engagement
    • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:10 PM EST
      But do pupils need examples of how learning science can help solve real world problems? #ASEChat
      In reply to @MarcNeesam
  • physicsgirluk Jan 30 @ 3:13 PM EST
    #asechat
    • physicsgirluk Jan 30 @ 3:12 PM EST
      I have seen some evidence that this helps girls engage especially in Physics.
      In reply to @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • MarcNeesam Jan 30 @ 3:13 PM EST
    Teachers supported via high quality resources and textbooks and CPD? #ASEChat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • hecharden Jan 30 @ 3:15 PM EST
    by contexts are a good way to challenge students to apply the principles they have learnt #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:15 PM EST
    Is this because these topics are harder to teach? #ASEChat
    • gregtheseal Jan 30 @ 3:13 PM EST
      you can see how unpopular real world "thematic" exam specs are eg 21C #asechat
      In reply to @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • Glazgow Jan 30 @ 3:15 PM EST
    also... all back issues are available to download for free from https://t.co/0EUlknKxjA Thanks #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @anhalf
  • stuartphysics Jan 30 @ 3:15 PM EST
    #asechat Need sufficient space in curr to allow teachers to include applications ...
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @MarcNeesam, @ViciaScience
  • dave2004b Jan 30 @ 3:15 PM EST
    Interesting thing was that 21stC had reasonable take up in the early days. #asechat
    In reply to @gregtheseal, @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • stevethedoc1 Jan 30 @ 3:15 PM EST
    #asechat perhaps question is how to get teachers to engage with existing quality resources in this area
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @ViciaScience
  • hecharden Jan 30 @ 3:15 PM EST
    The content of the NC can make it easier or harder to bring in real life contexts #asechat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:15 PM EST
    Can you suggest examples, for instance that RSC produce? #ASEChat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam
  • Glazgow Jan 30 @ 3:16 PM EST
    Reach Out Reporter @Reach_Out_UK is absolutely awesome - so easy and inspirational to use in class #asechat
    In reply to @Reach_Out_UK
    • stevethedoc1 Jan 30 @ 3:10 PM EST
      #asechat check out reachoutreporter as well
      In reply to @NeedhamL56, @anhalf, @Glazgow
  • physicsgirluk Jan 30 @ 3:16 PM EST
    #asechat not sure that colleges and schools can afford textbooks - haven't bought a class set for 10 years
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @ViciaScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jan 30 @ 3:16 PM EST
    Is this because it feels less safe? #asechat more risky and challenging to keep onto of the real world stuff?
    • gregtheseal Jan 30 @ 3:13 PM EST
      you can see how unpopular real world "thematic" exam specs are eg 21C #asechat
      In reply to @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:17 PM EST
    True - perception in England that CombSci GCSE already packed with content. Easier up north? #ASEChat
    • stuartphysics Jan 30 @ 3:15 PM EST
      #asechat Need sufficient space in curr to allow teachers to include applications ...
      In reply to @stevethedoc1, @MarcNeesam, @ViciaScience
  • stuartphysics Jan 30 @ 3:17 PM EST
    #asechat ... and incentive to teachers to not just fill the time with more exam question practice.
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @MarcNeesam, @ViciaScience
  • hecharden Jan 30 @ 3:17 PM EST
    These resources are excellent! #asechat
    • JulieBrown01 Jan 30 @ 3:13 PM EST
      #ASEchat. Materials we produce do exactly that and external evaluations have show it increases pupil engagement
      • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:10 PM EST
        But do pupils need examples of how learning science can help solve real world problems? #ASEChat
        In reply to @MarcNeesam
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jan 30 @ 3:17 PM EST
    Some Real life topical contexts for your science teaching here #asechat
  • physicsgirluk Jan 30 @ 3:17 PM EST
    #asechat
    • physicsgirluk Jan 30 @ 3:17 PM EST
      And they go out of date very quickly if you try to include 'cutting edge' issues or applications.
      In reply to @MarcNeesam, @ViciaScience
  • MarcNeesam Jan 30 @ 3:18 PM EST
    is it imp. teachers, if not students, have line of sight between teaching and concept. Context can get in be way? #ASEChat
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:18 PM EST
    And see current Primary Science for a useful blog on resource lists #ASEChat
    In reply to @Glazgow, @NeedhamL56, @anhalf
  • dave2004b Jan 30 @ 3:18 PM EST
    #asechat Context adds extra dimension to the assessment - perhaps makes it more authentic?
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • stuartphysics Jan 30 @ 3:19 PM EST
    Problems up north too #asechat @ViciaScience
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • anhalf Jan 30 @ 3:19 PM EST
    and @CLEAPSS 👍#asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @Glazgow, @NeedhamL56, @CLEAPSS
  • MarcNeesam Jan 30 @ 3:19 PM EST
    Comes to the question of why content is in the curriculum - what validates it? Is there a rationale? #ASEChat
    In reply to @hecharden, @ViciaScience
  • hecharden Jan 30 @ 3:19 PM EST
    and isn't an alternative context needed for AO3? #asechat
    In reply to @dave2004b, @NeedhamL56
  • doc_kristy Jan 30 @ 3:19 PM EST
    @gregtheseal @ViciaScience @MarcNeesam not in my experience.... Having taught 21stC during its "science lite" phase... #ASEChat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @gregtheseal, @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • MaryUYSEG Jan 30 @ 3:20 PM EST
    Sorry late to #ASEchat Exams are required to assess science in context so why not teach using contexts?
    In reply to @hecharden, @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • hecharden Jan 30 @ 3:20 PM EST
    Big question for 150 characters! #asechat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @ViciaScience
  • priscigeeks Jan 30 @ 3:20 PM EST
    #asechat the mission starlight ressources from @RoySocChem is great real world space context!
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam, @RoySocChem
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:20 PM EST
    Thanks! Have you got a link? #ASEChat
    In reply to @priscigeeks, @MarcNeesam, @RoySocChem
  • dave2004b Jan 30 @ 3:21 PM EST
    ... and AO2 in new specs. #asechat - application of knowledge and understanding is important in assessment.
    In reply to @hecharden, @NeedhamL56
  • JulieBrown01 Jan 30 @ 3:21 PM EST
    our experience is once teachers 'find resources eg at #ASEconf they do engage #ASEChat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @MarcNeesam, @ViciaScience
  • MarcNeesam Jan 30 @ 3:22 PM EST
    As usual I point to https://t.co/rBh5fAXWM5. As for CPD is there a general lack of how to teach in context well? #ASEChat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • priscigeeks Jan 30 @ 3:22 PM EST
    #asechat https://t.co/VWCNNquCzt
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam, @RoySocChem
  • physicsgirluk Jan 30 @ 3:22 PM EST
    #ASEChat Context can put off some students, for example physics examiners tend to like sport
    In reply to @MaryUYSEG, @hecharden, @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • hecharden Jan 30 @ 3:22 PM EST
    That may be because it makes it challenging and people are concerned about grades #asechat.
    In reply to @gregtheseal, @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • stuartphysics Jan 30 @ 3:22 PM EST
    #asechat @MaryUYSEG @hecharden @ViciaScience @MarcNeesam The difficulty is getting the balance of specificity of contexts and flexibility ok
    In reply to @MaryUYSEG, @hecharden, @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • physicsgirluk Jan 30 @ 3:23 PM EST
    #asechat ...and not all students like sport, even if they like physics!
    In reply to @MaryUYSEG, @hecharden, @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:23 PM EST
    Anyone use School Science research resources in teaching to link science teaching to research questions? https://t.co/II3qvMOufm #ASEChat
  • dave2004b Jan 30 @ 3:23 PM EST
    #asechat This is part of why the context courses are useful; packages available that embed contexts in resources
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @ViciaScience
  • doc_kristy Jan 30 @ 3:23 PM EST
    curriculum for excrement? #asechat
    In reply to @stuartphysics, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:23 PM EST
    Thanks! #ASEChat
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Jan 30 @ 3:23 PM EST
    #asechat science literacy. E.g. "more or less" style knowledge of risk, samples etc
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • physicsgirluk Jan 30 @ 3:24 PM EST
    #asechat ...on the other hand I have lots if success teaching BTEC medical physics...
    In reply to @MaryUYSEG, @hecharden, @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:24 PM EST
    Not aware of many CPD courses on real world issues, although there were some RCUK Cutting Edge courses @STEMLearningUK #ASEChat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @STEMLearningUK
  • jesswade Jan 30 @ 3:25 PM EST
    ideally locally inspired up-to-date context too! #ASEChat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @ViciaScience
  • stuartphysics Jan 30 @ 3:25 PM EST
    A bit harsh, but lack of clear agreement and communication of purposes and content of CfE #asechat
    In reply to @doc_kristy, @ViciaScience
  • mrsjmclark Jan 30 @ 3:25 PM EST
    the ethics of screening, genetic engineering, herd immunity and lots of great resources to use too! #ASEChat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:25 PM EST
    Needs some experience and confidence as a teacher to wander 'off piste'? #ASEChat
  • physicsgirluk Jan 30 @ 3:25 PM EST
    #asechat ...cover lots of fundamental physics-whole class ( including girls) very engaged
    In reply to @MaryUYSEG, @hecharden, @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • doc_kristy Jan 30 @ 3:26 PM EST
    it's a turn of phrase I first heard from @Sci_DrScott ! (And he's Scottish so he's allowed...) #asechat
    In reply to @stuartphysics, @ViciaScience, @Sci_DrScott
  • hecharden Jan 30 @ 3:26 PM EST
    I would be delighted to run that sort of thing...maybe a session for@theASE conf next year #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:26 PM EST
    Can you provide some links in addition to the Future Learn course? #ASEChat
    In reply to @mrsjmclark
  • stuartphysics Jan 30 @ 3:26 PM EST
    #asechat I only said a "bit" harsh.
    In reply to @doc_kristy, @ViciaScience, @Sci_DrScott
  • MarcNeesam Jan 30 @ 3:27 PM EST
    Also @RoySocChem have resources to help primary teachers plan science in historical contexts https://t.co/wAVKRUB55c #ASEChat
    In reply to @RoySocChem
  • stevethedoc1 Jan 30 @ 3:27 PM EST
    @stuartphysics @MaryUYSEG @hecharden @MarcNeesam #asechat that is problem, not off piste but should be seen as normal
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @stuartphysics, @MaryUYSEG, @hecharden, @MarcNeesam
  • mrsjmclark Jan 30 @ 3:27 PM EST
    how the media can exaggerate research e.g.overcooking foods leading to cancer! Learning about sample size/repeats etc #ASEChat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • priscigeeks Jan 30 @ 3:27 PM EST
    #asechat folks... I'm hosting joint #ASEChat & #primaryrocks on 27/2/17. DM me any fab questions you want me to include 👍🏻#scipri
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:27 PM EST
    Exactly the same in skiing Steve - should be normal #ASEChat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @stuartphysics, @MaryUYSEG, @hecharden, @MarcNeesam
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:28 PM EST
    In last minutes before change of topics - any links to resources please #ASEChat
  • MarcNeesam Jan 30 @ 3:28 PM EST
    University links are good for this. @SellaTheChemist and UGs air quality work with schools good example #ASEChat
    In reply to @jesswade, @ViciaScience, @SellaTheChemist
  • jesswade Jan 30 @ 3:29 PM EST
    For the #ASEChat crew! @theASE @NeedhamL56
    In reply to @PodcastEdtech, @Bett_show, @jen_gratton, @Sophie_Deen, @detectivedot, @theASE, @NeedhamL56
  • mrsjmclark Jan 30 @ 3:29 PM EST
    using specific articles to trigger discussion e.g. https://t.co/iRQSCQHdXP #ASEChat #geneticscreening
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • MaryUYSEG Jan 30 @ 3:29 PM EST
    variety of contexts is important so that there is something for everyone #ASEChat
    In reply to @physicsgirluk, @hecharden, @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:30 PM EST
    Change of topic now - what skills do you want pupils to achieve through science teaching - and how do you assess them? #ASEChat
  • gregtheseal Jan 30 @ 3:30 PM EST
    i was never a fan, it felt more like teaching ethics #asechat
    In reply to @doc_kristy, @NeedhamL56, @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jan 30 @ 3:31 PM EST
    Now these are real world contexts. Well worth a look. #asechat and exposes children to the work of real scientists
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:31 PM EST
    Following last discussion, is critical reading a skill we should teach pupils in science ? #ASEChat
  • JulieBrown01 Jan 30 @ 3:31 PM EST
    Pupils do live in the real world so surely finding out how science can solve world probs eg achieving #globalgoals is important? #ASEchat
  • anhalf Jan 30 @ 3:32 PM EST
    #ASEchat w/s skills..Can't fault the @pstt_whyhow TAPs resources for that
    In reply to @pstt_whyhow
  • MarcNeesam Jan 30 @ 3:33 PM EST
    PISA results showed enquiry led teaching not as effective as teacher-led. Enquiry/skills not being embedded in SK is an answer? #ASEChat
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:33 PM EST
    Have you a link? Can they be adapted for use in KS3? #ASEChat
    In reply to @anhalf, @pstt_whyhow
  • mrsjmclark Jan 30 @ 3:33 PM EST
    definitely! I often use an article as a starter and discuss with pupils about how reliable the study is. #ASEChat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:34 PM EST
    Is there a distinction between 'scientific enquiry ' and enquiry based teaching to be made here? #ASEChat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam
  • MarcNeesam Jan 30 @ 3:34 PM EST
    Is there teaching skills for skills sake? Why teach skills at all? What does skill development allow/lead to? #ASEChat
  • priscigeeks Jan 30 @ 3:34 PM EST
    @PriSciEarle #ASEChat the new focus practical tasks are great https://t.co/lIfU3WLo1G
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @anhalf, @pstt_whyhow, @PriSciEarle
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jan 30 @ 3:34 PM EST
    2007 2ndry NC left space for us to add sch curr, local contexts, but it was a struggle #1sideA4 #ASEChat
    In reply to @jesswade, @MarcNeesam, @ViciaScience
  • MaryUYSEG Jan 30 @ 3:35 PM EST
    It is required to assess in unfamiliar contexts (AO2) #ASEChat
    In reply to @stuartphysics, @physicsgirluk, @hecharden, @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:35 PM EST
    I would hope that my students became more adept at identifying bias and 'fake news' through my teaching #ASEChat
    • mrsjmclark Jan 30 @ 3:33 PM EST
      definitely! I often use an article as a starter and discuss with pupils about how reliable the study is. #ASEChat
      In reply to @ViciaScience
  • stuartphysics Jan 30 @ 3:35 PM EST
    #asechat Very important distinction not always well understood.
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • hecharden Jan 30 @ 3:35 PM EST
    Malaria & Macaques resource links KS4 biol to research. Loved emailing scientist in Borneo whilst writing https://t.co/9skzFGhXlT #asechat
  • anhalf Jan 30 @ 3:35 PM EST
    https://t.co/bwp1jxXFPf #ASEChat 😁
  • Glazgow Jan 30 @ 3:35 PM EST
    Blog link is https://t.co/WfBuWnRowr if people are interested #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @JulieBrown01, @ViciaScience, @anhalf
  • stevethedoc1 Jan 30 @ 3:36 PM EST
    #asechat every English NC has done the same
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @jesswade, @MarcNeesam, @ViciaScience
  • stuartphysics Jan 30 @ 3:36 PM EST
    #asechat Equity issues - what is unfamilar to some may not be to others
    In reply to @MaryUYSEG, @physicsgirluk, @hecharden, @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jan 30 @ 3:36 PM EST
    good article in the Guardian this weekend about the acrylamide scare #ASEChat
    In reply to @mrsjmclark, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:36 PM EST
    Current English science GCSEs stipulate a number of practical and technical skills - but what other skills should be taught? #ASEChat
  • stormeducation Jan 30 @ 3:37 PM EST
    #asechat we have some free online interactive #science #stem resources https://t.co/Nr3dPjBuSn
  • anhalf Jan 30 @ 3:37 PM EST
    have to ask @PriSciEarle about ks3 poss adaption 👍#asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @pstt_whyhow, @PriSciEarle
  • phys1cs Jan 30 @ 3:37 PM EST
    Information retrieval, Listening & observing, Scientific reading, Data representation, Scientific writing, Knowledge presentation #ASEChat
  • hecharden Jan 30 @ 3:38 PM EST
    Or can learn about reactivity series then enquire into how iron is affected under different conditions #ASEChat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:38 PM EST
    Thanks! And would you include mathematical skills too? #ASEChat
    • phys1cs Jan 30 @ 3:37 PM EST
      Information retrieval, Listening & observing, Scientific reading, Data representation, Scientific writing, Knowledge presentation #ASEChat
  • mrsjmclark Jan 30 @ 3:38 PM EST
    Loved teaching protein synthesis today with a modelling activity to year 12s https://t.co/yRg7dgaLsq #ASEChat #ALevel #Biology
  • JulieBrown01 Jan 30 @ 3:38 PM EST
    absolutely... a massively important skill we would want them to take into adulthood too too #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • stuartphysics Jan 30 @ 3:39 PM EST
    Are skills not just another form of content/knowledge? #asechat
  • MarcNeesam Jan 30 @ 3:39 PM EST
    Important not to forget mathematical skills and the barrier they create as well as the teaching opportunities #ASEChat
  • jesswade Jan 30 @ 3:39 PM EST
    has everyone seen @Reach_Out_UK ? https://t.co/wOVQUfGLoX #ASEChat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @NeedhamL56, @MarcNeesam, @ViciaScience, @Reach_Out_UK
  • mrsjmclark Jan 30 @ 3:39 PM EST
    thanks! will definitely look this up! #ASEChat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • dave2004b Jan 30 @ 3:39 PM EST
    #asechat a lot of skills are domain specific, so need to be taught in the context of the subject knowledge, rather than in isoln
    In reply to @MarcNeesam
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:39 PM EST
    I would suggest model making is a necessary skill in science - to understand limitations of models used #ASEChat
  • hecharden Jan 30 @ 3:40 PM EST
    I think 'taking into adulthood' is something that is often forgotten/neglected #ASEChat
    In reply to @JulieBrown01, @ViciaScience
  • mrsjmclark Jan 30 @ 3:40 PM EST
    I hope mine become better at realising as well! So scary how convincing some of the articles can be though. #ASEChat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • mrsjmclark Jan 30 @ 3:40 PM EST
    Absolutely! #ASEChat
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:41 PM EST
    That's my problem in this discussion - I do not think we have a shared understanding of 'skills' in a science context #ASEChat
  • gregtheseal Jan 30 @ 3:41 PM EST
    isn't that what bothered people at the ASEConf when Mathew NewBerry did his presentation? #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • MarcNeesam Jan 30 @ 3:41 PM EST
    Why separate 'knowledge' and skills? You use skills to develop knowledge which informs future skills... etc etc #ASEChat
    In reply to @stuartphysics
  • hecharden Jan 30 @ 3:41 PM EST
    You can learn about reactivity series through science enquiry (discogver what happens) #asechat 1/2
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:42 PM EST
    I agree. Use skill in many contexts before trying to generalise and suggest student has achieved - CPAC??? #ASEChat
    • dave2004b Jan 30 @ 3:39 PM EST
      #asechat a lot of skills are domain specific, so need to be taught in the context of the subject knowledge, rather than in isoln
      In reply to @MarcNeesam
  • hecharden Jan 30 @ 3:42 PM EST
    Or you can learn about reactivity and enquire into reactions of iron under specific conditions #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jan 30 @ 3:42 PM EST
    Nick Gibb speech last week https://t.co/Jk2jxj9Wuq slates child centred and links to #PISA. Some CPD neededaround enquiry methinks #asechat
    • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:34 PM EST
      Is there a distinction between 'scientific enquiry ' and enquiry based teaching to be made here? #ASEChat
      In reply to @MarcNeesam
  • phys1cs Jan 30 @ 3:42 PM EST
    I would. I just am limited by the limitation of characters in a tweet. That list is from https://t.co/93Me0MOPY3 #ASEChat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • JulieBrown01 Jan 30 @ 3:42 PM EST
    agree!! When #climate change and #Sustainability are in the NC (as in Scotland and Wales) pupils get that balance #ASEchat
    In reply to @lifeworlds
  • stuartphysics Jan 30 @ 3:42 PM EST
    Very much agree, and this is why transfer of "generic" skills so often so poor. Context dependent. #ASEChat
    In reply to @dave2004b, @MarcNeesam
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:43 PM EST
    There used to be good resources to support teaching - Learning Skills in Science (LSS) - STEM library #ASEChat
    In reply to @mrsjmclark
  • dave2004b Jan 30 @ 3:43 PM EST
    #asechat That's why CPAC should be judged holistically at the end of the A level courses.
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:44 PM EST
    I avoided it! Can you illustrate the point in 140? #ASEChat
    In reply to @gregtheseal, @MarcNeesam
  • doc_kristy Jan 30 @ 3:44 PM EST
    we used to have skills focus in y7, made them no better, cancelled it & went back to "big ideas" knowledge with skills #asechat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam
  • whitebug16 Jan 30 @ 3:44 PM EST
    write a note, screen shot and post? #asechat
    In reply to @hecharden, @NeedhamL56
  • stevethedoc1 Jan 30 @ 3:44 PM EST
    @ViciaScience @MarcNeesam #asechat and what is meant by these terms in PISA context, not same in all European contexts
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • hecharden Jan 30 @ 3:44 PM EST
    I feel a blog coming on...#ASEChat
    In reply to @whitebug16, @NeedhamL56
  • MarcNeesam Jan 30 @ 3:44 PM EST
    Is that how it is happening in reality? #ASEChat
    In reply to @dave2004b, @ViciaScience
  • mrsjmclark Jan 30 @ 3:44 PM EST
    practical skills-Qing & pupils designing practicals. Maths skills & analysis of data-eg Qs.Critical reading-articles #ASEChat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • stuartphysics Jan 30 @ 3:44 PM EST
    #asechat Yes, it is all just knowledge. Greater knowledge allows more connections and more transfer in problem-solving.
    In reply to @MarcNeesam
  • LessonToolbox Jan 30 @ 3:45 PM EST
    Love these cartoons used in lesson on #euthanasia via @AldenhamRS #sschat #asechat #ukedchat #aussieED
    In reply to @AldenhamRS
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:45 PM EST
    And I thought the profound wisdom was your own! #ASEChat
    In reply to @phys1cs
  • whitebug16 Jan 30 @ 3:45 PM EST
    yes, there's always that option! :) #asechat
    In reply to @hecharden, @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jan 30 @ 3:45 PM EST
    here you go https://t.co/m0NOgD6HtC #ASEChat
    In reply to @mrsjmclark
  • dave2004b Jan 30 @ 3:46 PM EST
    #asechat can't tell for sure yet, but certainly how @ocr_science model is setup.
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @ViciaScience, @ocr_science
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:46 PM EST
    Agreed - may take some effort to get that message across as teachers encounter new skills assessment regime? #ASEChat
    • dave2004b Jan 30 @ 3:43 PM EST
      #asechat That's why CPAC should be judged holistically at the end of the A level courses.
      In reply to @ViciaScience
  • doc_kristy Jan 30 @ 3:46 PM EST
    the role of sound mathematics in achievement in science is often overlooked, does us and the kids a disservice #ASEChat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam
  • whitebug16 Jan 30 @ 3:47 PM EST
    #ASEChat
    • Glazgow Jan 30 @ 3:46 PM EST
      Finally finished Science on the Web resource and have had good feedback from many schools and teachers #primaryrocks
  • hecharden Jan 30 @ 3:47 PM EST
    Also sometimes people omit maths to makes things easier. Maths can actually help understanding #ASEChat
    In reply to @doc_kristy, @MarcNeesam
  • doc_kristy Jan 30 @ 3:47 PM EST
    Biggest "skill" we can help kids with that will impact on achievement in all subjects is literacy, they need to write in science! #ASEChat
  • dave2004b Jan 30 @ 3:47 PM EST
    #asechat Yes, very big change in assessment model, however, most centres are passing monitoring first time.
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • doc_kristy Jan 30 @ 3:48 PM EST
    many teachers are also scared of the maths if their own maths is shaky, and so the circle begins again #asechat
    In reply to @hecharden, @MarcNeesam
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:48 PM EST
    Agreed. Challenging list especially if not all these appear in examinations #ASEChat
    • mrsjmclark Jan 30 @ 3:44 PM EST
      practical skills-Qing & pupils designing practicals. Maths skills & analysis of data-eg Qs.Critical reading-articles #ASEChat
      In reply to @ViciaScience
  • dave2004b Jan 30 @ 3:48 PM EST
    #asechat. Agree-wonder how many schools take Ma and En ability into account when setting/streaming in Sci.
    In reply to @doc_kristy
  • MarcNeesam Jan 30 @ 3:49 PM EST
    More interesting to look at GCSEs where no/little monitoring is happening #ASEChat
    In reply to @dave2004b, @ViciaScience
  • stormeducation Jan 30 @ 3:49 PM EST
    #asechat @doc_kristy @MarcNeesam Very much agree about the importance of maths in #science
    In reply to @doc_kristy, @MarcNeesam
  • doc_kristy Jan 30 @ 3:49 PM EST
    We (as a country) need to get over this thing of maths being the "bogeyman" and the culture of pride in poor maths skills #ASEChat
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jan 30 @ 3:49 PM EST
    I’ll look up the link #ASEChat
    • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:43 PM EST
      There used to be good resources to support teaching - Learning Skills in Science (LSS) - STEM library #ASEChat
      In reply to @mrsjmclark
  • stuartphysics Jan 30 @ 3:49 PM EST
    Good literacy is key to all education. Early intervention to sort literacy problems best way to close attainment gap #asechat
    In reply to @doc_kristy
  • gregtheseal Jan 30 @ 3:49 PM EST
    i tried to avoid the debate too. will try to summarise though #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:49 PM EST
    Further than this - without mathematical understanding some parts of science are out of reach #ASEChat
    In reply to @hecharden, @doc_kristy, @MarcNeesam
  • hecharden Jan 30 @ 3:50 PM EST
    Couldn't agree more. Maths makes science make sense! Should be our friend. #asechat
    • doc_kristy Jan 30 @ 3:49 PM EST
      We (as a country) need to get over this thing of maths being the "bogeyman" and the culture of pride in poor maths skills #ASEChat
  • mrsjmclark Jan 30 @ 3:50 PM EST
    A Level is easier bcs of the rqd maths/practical content in new spec &data analysis PPQ, but more difficult with GCSE.#ASEChat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • stevethedoc1 Jan 30 @ 3:50 PM EST
    @mrsjmclark #asechat again big problem when only teach what in exam, forget about future life!!!
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @mrsjmclark
  • stuartphysics Jan 30 @ 3:51 PM EST
    #asechat @dave2004b @doc_kristy Setting and streaming just reinforces attainment gaps so more difficult to close. Early intervention needed.
    In reply to @dave2004b, @doc_kristy
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:51 PM EST
    And will teachers assess the practical skills of their Y11 if there is no formal direct assessment? #ASEChat
    In reply to @dave2004b
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jan 30 @ 3:52 PM EST
    it WAS a very good list too #ASEChat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @phys1cs
  • doc_kristy Jan 30 @ 3:52 PM EST
    we use Ma data to screen for Sci but we teach a v maths heavy iGCSE course, lower sets are much smaller #ASEChat
    In reply to @stuartphysics, @dave2004b
  • jesswade Jan 30 @ 3:52 PM EST
    you're on fire tonight Marc :D #ASEChat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam
  • stuartphysics Jan 30 @ 3:53 PM EST
    #asechat Unfortunately these stereotypes about maths set very early. Need to fix when children young and continue right through
    In reply to @doc_kristy
  • dave2004b Jan 30 @ 3:54 PM EST
    #asechat @doc_kristy Indeed, but majority of schools still use policy of setting/streaming
    In reply to @stuartphysics, @doc_kristy
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:54 PM EST
    Hopeful that Ofqual on the case and will ensure complete coverage of spec in GCSE exams. 1/2 #ASEChat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @mrsjmclark
  • stevethedoc1 Jan 30 @ 3:54 PM EST
    #asechat no need to fixDO NOT let them start in first place!
    In reply to @stuartphysics, @doc_kristy
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:54 PM EST
    2/2 That why I would like to see real world issues in the specs #ASEChat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @mrsjmclark
  • MarcNeesam Jan 30 @ 3:54 PM EST
    Excellent paper on KS4 triple and combined science https://t.co/KsPnl817Fy @ASPIRES2science #ASEChat
    In reply to @stuartphysics, @dave2004b, @doc_kristy, @ASPIRES2science
  • stuartphysics Jan 30 @ 3:55 PM EST
    #asechat Culture needs changed, in primary too, by secondary it is too late.
    In reply to @dave2004b, @doc_kristy
  • dave2004b Jan 30 @ 3:55 PM EST
    #asechat Practical skills are assessed in new exams so would make sense for teachers to do this during T&L
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • doc_kristy Jan 30 @ 3:55 PM EST
    hard when influence comes from home well before kids are exposed to positive role models #ASEChat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @stuartphysics
  • hecharden Jan 30 @ 3:55 PM EST
    Lots of food for thought tonight. Will feedback to @theASE 11-19 committee.#ASEChat
    In reply to @theASE
  • stevethedoc1 Jan 30 @ 3:55 PM EST
    #asechat despite all the research suggesting lack of impact / effectiveness
    In reply to @dave2004b, @stuartphysics, @doc_kristy
  • doc_kristy Jan 30 @ 3:56 PM EST
    yep, I read that one, have it saved at work...#ASEChat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @stuartphysics, @dave2004b, @ASPIRES2science
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:56 PM EST
    This is made more difficult by setting arrangements in Ma complicating which ideas been taught to science students #ASEChat
  • phys1cs Jan 30 @ 3:56 PM EST
    That is the thing. We have always known what we need to do, it is about how we can do these things well. #ASEChat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @ViciaScience
  • stuartphysics Jan 30 @ 3:56 PM EST
    #asechat Agreed, but needs big change in many primary schools and public culture more generally.
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @doc_kristy
  • physicsgirluk Jan 30 @ 3:56 PM EST
    #asechat We once had A2 biology problem-students didn't know what a vole is!
    In reply to @stuartphysics, @MaryUYSEG, @hecharden, @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jan 30 @ 3:57 PM EST
    here they are https://t.co/AwJV3FEM85 #asechat @STEMLearningUK
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @mrsjmclark, @STEMLearningUK
  • doc_kristy Jan 30 @ 3:57 PM EST
    big change needed in early years and we probably all need to work more with hard to reach families #ASEChat
    In reply to @stuartphysics, @stevethedoc1
  • stuartphysics Jan 30 @ 3:57 PM EST
    #asechat Exactly, bordering on criminal. Letting down lots of pupils.
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @dave2004b, @doc_kristy
  • mrsjmclark Jan 30 @ 3:57 PM EST
    thank you! #ASEChat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • stuartphysics Jan 30 @ 3:58 PM EST
    #asechat Need to build maths and science capital in "deprived" areas etc.
    In reply to @doc_kristy, @stevethedoc1
  • dave2004b Jan 30 @ 3:58 PM EST
    #asechat Not all SLT (where policy decisions sit) are making considered use of research.
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @stuartphysics, @doc_kristy
  • mrsjmclark Jan 30 @ 3:58 PM EST
    would be great to have some but I guess difficult to keep current as would constantly need updating as times change #ASEChat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • MaryUYSEG Jan 30 @ 3:58 PM EST
    #ASEChat better teachers will have introduced more variety of contexts
    In reply to @stuartphysics, @physicsgirluk, @hecharden, @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • physicsgirluk Jan 30 @ 3:58 PM EST
    #asechat Need to find balance between teaching for assessment and educating future scientists/informed citizens.
  • doc_kristy Jan 30 @ 3:58 PM EST
    no idea how though... LPN a huge issue right through to HE... One for a future debate I suggest? #ASEChat
    In reply to @stuartphysics, @stevethedoc1
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jan 30 @ 3:59 PM EST
    I know, its still on my reading pile! #ASEChat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @stuartphysics, @dave2004b, @doc_kristy, @ASPIRES2science
  • ViciaScience Jan 30 @ 3:59 PM EST
    Thank you - link to LSS teaching materials on reading, graphs, data, journals etc #ASEChat
  • mrsjmclark Jan 30 @ 3:59 PM EST
    would be great to have more but I guess difficult to keep current as would constantly need updating as times change #ASEChat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • stuartphysics Jan 30 @ 3:59 PM EST
    #asechat Why knowledge is so important in problem-solving.
    In reply to @physicsgirluk, @MaryUYSEG, @hecharden, @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam