#SwDMathChat Archive


Thursday December 14, 2017
9:00 PM EST

  • participatechat Dec 14 @ 9:00 PM EST
    Participate in the upcoming #SwDMathChat by sharing resources and collaborating at https://t.co/2gl5JhlFuX
  • AmyLucenta Dec 14 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Welcome #SwDMathChat @gracekelemanik & I are excited to chat about 3 Reads Instructional Routine and reading in math #FosteringMPs
  • pearse_margie Dec 14 @ 9:04 PM EST
    #SwDMathChat Hi Margie from PA Math Coach Love your book and 3 Reads Routine
  • GraceKelemanik Dec 14 @ 9:05 PM EST
    Nice to have you join in the conversation #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @pearse_margie
  • AmyLucenta Dec 14 @ 9:05 PM EST
    Welcome! Please introduce yourself #swdmathchat #3reads #fosteringMPs
  • anndurham13 Dec 14 @ 9:06 PM EST
    Ann, HS Learning Support and Math teacher in Jakarta, Indonesia #SwDMathChat
  • AmyLucenta Dec 14 @ 9:07 PM EST
    Please introduce yourself and share one reason why you’re joining us tonight. #SwDMathChat To prep, look at this problem and student work. #SwDMathChat
  • JeremyDBond Dec 14 @ 9:07 PM EST
    Jeremy in Connecticut, parent of a 3rd & 8th grader, who works for an education services provider. #SwDMathChat
  • GraceKelemanik Dec 14 @ 9:08 PM EST
    Welcome Ann #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @anndurham13
  • JeremyDBond Dec 14 @ 9:10 PM EST
    One reason is my sheepish ignorance of how my kids are learning math. So I'm not a very good help. This example comforts me because long division is one of the few things I'm comfortable with. But I don't see much of it anymore! #SwDMathChat
  • GraceKelemanik Dec 14 @ 9:10 PM EST
    #SwDMathChat folks what do you think the student was paying attention to when s/he read the prob?
    In reply to @AmyLucenta
  • pearse_margie Dec 14 @ 9:11 PM EST
    #SwDMathChat Students just don't read word problems anymore; the key word approach has taken away meaning making in problem solving. 3 reads is a good strategy for understanding word problems
  • anndurham13 Dec 14 @ 9:11 PM EST
    She seemed to target the numbers/info related to science books #SwDMathChat
  • GraceKelemanik Dec 14 @ 9:12 PM EST
    Why do you think that is? #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @anndurham13
  • AmyLucenta Dec 14 @ 9:14 PM EST
    Q1: What do you think the student was thinking when solving? #SwDMathChat
  • a_schindy Dec 14 @ 9:14 PM EST
    Hello #swdmathchat. Adrianne Burns jumping in late. I teach 7th grade math.
  • anndurham13 Dec 14 @ 9:15 PM EST
    Perhaps it was easiest for her to identify common links (anything connected to "science") instead of breaking down the multi layers #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @GraceKelemanik
  • PaulaKrieg Dec 14 @ 9:15 PM EST
    Seems she may have taken the last bits of information and put them together to get an answer. It's a complicated problem, and she's simplified it. Not correctly, but certainly more simply. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @GraceKelemanik, @anndurham13
  • PaulaKrieg Dec 14 @ 9:16 PM EST
    A! She's taken a two part problem and made it a simpler one-part problem. #SwDMathChat
  • AmyLucenta Dec 14 @ 9:17 PM EST
    Q2: Why do students struggle when reading in math? #SwDMathChat #3Reads #FosteringMPs
  • GraceKelemanik Dec 14 @ 9:18 PM EST
    I think S was maybe focusing on the numbers (8, 12, 528) key words “4 times”. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @PaulaKrieg, @anndurham13
  • a_schindy Dec 14 @ 9:18 PM EST
    I agree. If it had just been $12 science books, then total is divided by 12. Student might remember a problem like this and is trying to transfer learning. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @PaulaKrieg
  • AmyLucenta Dec 14 @ 9:19 PM EST
    Q3: What do YOU do to make sense of a complex math word problem and WHY do you do that? #SwDMathChat #3Reads #FosteringMPs
  • pearse_margie Dec 14 @ 9:20 PM EST
    #SwDMathChat A3 Some have been taught very early on to circle the numbers and pluck out the key words - and whooola - you're solving a word problem. Unfortunately for them, that rule expires very quickly
  • a_schindy Dec 14 @ 9:20 PM EST
    But why 4 times 8 and not 12 times 8? I don't see it yet. #SwDMathChat
  • PaulaKrieg Dec 14 @ 9:20 PM EST
    A2 I struggled to read that problem. If I struggled with it, I can't imagine a kid wouldn't. That's not to say I struggle with reading all math problems. To me, there was something monotone about this one that made it hard to read. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @AmyLucenta
  • anndurham13 Dec 14 @ 9:20 PM EST
    A2 Many possible reasons. Literacy gaps, language gaps, executive function gaps, difficulty combining two types of skills (math and reading) #SwDMathChat
  • GraceKelemanik Dec 14 @ 9:21 PM EST
    I think b/c the 8 is connected to science books #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @a_schindy
  • a_schindy Dec 14 @ 9:22 PM EST
    A3: I am still rereading this problem to make sure I understand. I also often use a guess and check strategy with 1 number to understand relationships better. #SwDMathChat
  • AmyLucenta Dec 14 @ 9:23 PM EST
    Q4: Mathematicians often read a problem to understand context. In 1-2 words, what is this problem about? #SwDMathChat
  • GraceKelemanik Dec 14 @ 9:23 PM EST
    so you are doing what a mathematician does — read the problem multiple times. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @a_schindy
  • JeremyDBond Dec 14 @ 9:23 PM EST
    A3) I find myself reading it aloud, taking it apart piece by piece. Because it's more intimidating as a whole than in parts, and because I talk to myself when I think! #SwDMathChat
  • anndurham13 Dec 14 @ 9:24 PM EST
    A3 I read it, try to get a sense of the problem, read again, try some working, check that is makes sense, go back and check that I actually answered the question #SwDMathChat
  • GraceKelemanik Dec 14 @ 9:24 PM EST
    self-talk is a processing support for many learners. Me include! #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @JeremyDBond
  • JeremyDBond Dec 14 @ 9:24 PM EST
    A2) They stimulate two different parts in the brain? And then we separate them out in education? #SwDMathChat
  • a_schindy Dec 14 @ 9:26 PM EST
    In 1-2 words? Buying 2 types of books. (Sorry, that's 5 words) #SwDMathChat
    • AmyLucenta Dec 14 @ 9:23 PM EST
      Q4: Mathematicians often read a problem to understand context. In 1-2 words, what is this problem about? #SwDMathChat
  • pearse_margie Dec 14 @ 9:26 PM EST
    #SwDMathChat I need to keep it in the context in order to really understand the problems. I read, and reread and keep asking myself, "Okay, now what's going on?"
  • PaulaKrieg Dec 14 @ 9:27 PM EST
    A4 book group #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @AmyLucenta
  • AmyLucenta Dec 14 @ 9:28 PM EST
    Q5: Mathematicians read again to understand the question they’re answering. In your words, what are you trying to find? #SwDMathChat #3Reads
  • a_schindy Dec 14 @ 9:30 PM EST
    Talking multiplication the other day. Asked what mult means (which we have discussed in many different ways on many different days). Student raised his hand and said "of". You know because of means times. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @pearse_margie
  • PaulaKrieg Dec 14 @ 9:31 PM EST
    A5 Number of science books #SwDMathChat But first you have to find how many groups of 4 science books. Then the final number. The set-up & the answer is mult-step.
    In reply to @AmyLucenta
  • JeremyDBond Dec 14 @ 9:31 PM EST
    In a sense we’re thinking “out loud” in these chats. #SwDMathChat
  • AmyLucenta Dec 14 @ 9:32 PM EST
    Q6: Mathematicians read for important information, quantities. (the number of …. ) What quantities are in this problem? #SwDMathChat #3Reads
  • a_schindy Dec 14 @ 9:33 PM EST
    In the end, number of sci books. To do that I need both number of sci and math books. To do that I need to find the relationships between those amounts. #SwDMathChat
    • AmyLucenta Dec 14 @ 9:28 PM EST
      Q5: Mathematicians read again to understand the question they’re answering. In your words, what are you trying to find? #SwDMathChat #3Reads
  • GraceKelemanik Dec 14 @ 9:35 PM EST
    you are thinking qualitatively (SMP#2) focusing on quantities and their relationships. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @a_schindy
  • AmyLucenta Dec 14 @ 9:36 PM EST
    Q7: Here’s an info-graphic of #3Reads and how we engage kids in the process. What do you notice? #swdmathchat
  • pearse_margie Dec 14 @ 9:36 PM EST
    #SwDMathChat This may help. Did a PD where teachers had to sort grade level problems where key words actually worked - VERY FEW. They were shocked
  • PaulaKrieg Dec 14 @ 9:36 PM EST
    Q6 1 to 4 relationship, 12 to 8x4 relationship. . total of $528 #SwDMathChat
  • GraceKelemanik Dec 14 @ 9:37 PM EST
    please share! Sounds cool and very instructive. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @pearse_margie
  • a_schindy Dec 14 @ 9:37 PM EST
    For every 1 math book there are 4 sci books. Each math book has a value of $12. Each sci book has a value of $8. The value of the group of math books and the value of the group of sci books combined is $528 #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @AmyLucenta
  • pearse_margie Dec 14 @ 9:37 PM EST
    #SwDMathChat A7: I notice the focus on Individual think time and individual writing time. I think I rush through that at times.
  • PaulaKrieg Dec 14 @ 9:38 PM EST
    Something I've been reading about word problems is saying the same thing. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @pearse_margie
  • a_schindy Dec 14 @ 9:39 PM EST
    I have done a few examples with Ss when it comes up in discussion. Do you have a link to the document of problems you used? #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @pearse_margie
  • anndurham13 Dec 14 @ 9:39 PM EST
    A7 Lots of thinking and processing before any attempt at working out the problem. #SwDMathChat
  • PaulaKrieg Dec 14 @ 9:40 PM EST
    #SwDMathChat I think it's hard not to rush through given then time constraints of the classroom. slow, thoughtful pondering is something of a luxury.
    In reply to @pearse_margie
  • AmyLucenta Dec 14 @ 9:40 PM EST
    Q8: Imagine students who have engaged in #3Reads instructional routine repeatedly. What evidence might you see? #SwDMathChat
  • a_schindy Dec 14 @ 9:41 PM EST
    I notice we are 5 steps in and are not doing what students would consider "solving the problem". #SwDMathChat
  • pearse_margie Dec 14 @ 9:41 PM EST
    Yes and 3 reads has helped me help my teachers to be intentional in slowing it down #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @PaulaKrieg
  • a_schindy Dec 14 @ 9:43 PM EST
    Or may as Ts we should focus on doing a couple problems slowly and intentionally instead of more at a rushed pace. Which is better? Or perhaps be purposeful in your goal and which will get you there on that day. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @PaulaKrieg, @pearse_margie
  • JeremyDBond Dec 14 @ 9:44 PM EST
    A7) What if you stumble early on and don't realize you don't understand the context -- do the rest fall apart? #SwDMathChat
  • GraceKelemanik Dec 14 @ 9:44 PM EST
    #SwDMathChat we’d advocate for teaching Ss to read the problem 3X, asking about context, then question, then important info (i.e quantities and relationships)
    In reply to @a_schindy, @PaulaKrieg, @pearse_margie
  • bkdidact - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:45 PM EST
    Andy, NYC, self-contained HS math teacher. Popping in and out tonight! #3Reads #swdmathchat #FosteringMPs
  • bkdidact - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:45 PM EST
    A1: I agree with @anndurham13. I think the student needed an answer for science books and picked numbers that were somehow connected to the word “science.” #SwDMathChat
  • bkdidact - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:45 PM EST
    A2: Because it’s “math class,” you do “reading” in ELA not math! Reading and math should be thought of as inherently interdisciplinary IMHO. #SwDMathChat
  • bkdidact - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:45 PM EST
    A3: Honestly, read it several times until I understand what it is asking. #SwDMathChat
  • bkdidact - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:45 PM EST
    A4: How many science books did the school buy compared to math books. #SwDMathChat
    • AmyLucenta Dec 14 @ 9:23 PM EST
      Q4: Mathematicians often read a problem to understand context. In 1-2 words, what is this problem about? #SwDMathChat
  • bkdidact - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:45 PM EST
    1-2 words was a lost cause for me 😅 #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @a_schindy
  • bkdidact - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:45 PM EST
    A5: How many science books the school bought compared to math books. Same as before 😬 #SwDMathChat
    • AmyLucenta Dec 14 @ 9:28 PM EST
      Q5: Mathematicians read again to understand the question they’re answering. In your words, what are you trying to find? #SwDMathChat #3Reads
  • bkdidact - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:45 PM EST
    Impressed. You follow rules better than I do! #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @PaulaKrieg, @AmyLucenta
  • pearse_margie Dec 14 @ 9:45 PM EST
    Yep. Here's some of the problems #SwDMathChat https://t.co/1vr1CkRnI5 https://t.co/BMMxLoBchh https://t.co/ebqsVOEZ23
    In reply to @a_schindy
  • GraceKelemanik Dec 14 @ 9:45 PM EST
    good Q. 3 Reads designed to be done in class collaboratively, so Ss learn from each other #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @JeremyDBond
  • PaulaKrieg Dec 14 @ 9:45 PM EST
    If students feel that they have permission to slow down, I bet that makes a big difference to them. But then, they can't have a whole list of problems to get through. Better to think slowly about just one or two problems then a whole page! #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @pearse_margie
  • a_schindy Dec 14 @ 9:47 PM EST
    Ss struggle to be successful or continue to make careless mistakes because they don't invest the time upfront. I think #3reads helps those who struggle with the content but also those who understand the math but are still making mistakes. #swdmathchat
    In reply to @AmyLucenta
  • AmyLucenta Dec 14 @ 9:49 PM EST
    Q9: How does #3Reads provide mult opptys to process for varied processing learners? #SwDMathChat
  • JeremyDBond Dec 14 @ 9:52 PM EST
    Gotcha. Makes sense. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @GraceKelemanik
  • a_schindy Dec 14 @ 9:52 PM EST
    Yes. Like making connections. Text to self, text to text, text to world. #becomingmath talks about math to self, math to math, math to world. How often do we ask students to make these connections? #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @bkdidact
  • bkdidact - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:52 PM EST
    Hey #swdmathchat folks Not connected to #3reads, but I’d love to hear what people think about this post: https://t.co/hMdqGWyX19
  • JeremyDBond Dec 14 @ 9:54 PM EST
    In that case, I notice that it's focused on the process far more than the solution. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @a_schindy
  • pearse_margie Dec 14 @ 9:54 PM EST
    #SwDMathChat A9 Helps students structure their thinking as they navigate through a word problem.
  • a_schindy Dec 14 @ 9:56 PM EST
    A9: Many students don't know where to start with a meaty problem like this. This gives them a starting point and direction that will work for any problem. These "rules" won't expire. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @AmyLucenta