#ASEchat Archive

The Association for Science Education (ASE) promotes excellence in science teaching and learning. Follow #ASEchat Mondays at 3pm ET.

Monday November 13, 2017
3:00 PM EST

  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:00 PM EST
    In September, Gatsby published John Holman's Good Practical Science Report #ASEChat
  • participatechat Nov 13 @ 3:00 PM EST
    Participate in the upcoming #ASEchat by sharing resources and collaborating at https://t.co/mKOeusFf0N
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:00 PM EST
    Good evening all. Q1 How many people are aware of the Good Practical Science report (#GPS) #ASEchat
  • JayRamaEdu Nov 13 @ 3:01 PM EST
    A1: I am not aware of it. What is it? #asechat
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:02 PM EST
    Gatsby looked at practical science in diff countries, and also in research review #ASEchat
    In reply to @JayRamaEdu
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:03 PM EST
    Their report has been sent to every secondary school #ASEChat
    In reply to @JayRamaEdu
  • gregtheseal Nov 13 @ 3:03 PM EST
    #asechat good evening Richard do you have a link to the report
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:03 PM EST
    Absolutely of interest to technicians #ASEChat #GPS
    In reply to @ChinoTea
  • oboelizzy Nov 13 @ 3:03 PM EST
    I am! discussed it last Sat! #asechat interesting - think every sec school has been sent a copy
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:03 PM EST
    See report here https://t.co/Yjf1IcFSGa #ASEChat
    • gregtheseal Nov 13 @ 3:03 PM EST
      #asechat good evening Richard do you have a link to the report
      In reply to @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:04 PM EST
    I am concerned that the report has not been passed on to science depts in all schools #ASEchat
    In reply to @oboelizzy
  • stevethedoc1 Nov 13 @ 3:05 PM EST
    #asechat interesting been out a month, worth exploring how quickly and far it reaches the parts it needs to
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • oboelizzy Nov 13 @ 3:05 PM EST
    #asechat - think a lot of things get lost these days - or if they get as far as overworked HoD then they might get no further
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • _theteachr Nov 13 @ 3:05 PM EST
    Types #asechat, selects it and hits ctrl C. Remembers about 240 characters... I is ready...
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:06 PM EST
    There is a significant amount of reading in the report. Financial implications alone 100pp #ASEChat
  • gregtheseal Nov 13 @ 3:06 PM EST
    well lets hope the power of #asechat can effectively summarise
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 13 @ 3:07 PM EST
    Welcome #asechat
    • JayRamaEdu Nov 13 @ 2:40 PM EST
      I'm excited to take part in my first Ed Chat, at the top of the hour! #asechat
  • stevethedoc1 Nov 13 @ 3:07 PM EST
    #asechat start with 10 point benchmarks
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:07 PM EST
    We will try! But first step is to get the paper copies from heads desk into hands of science teachers - please ask! #ASEChat
    In reply to @gregtheseal
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:08 PM EST
    The report contains 10 benchmarks by which to measure your practical science provision #ASEchat
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:09 PM EST
    But researchers found some schools did not achieve ANY of the benchmarks #ASEchat
  • stevethedoc1 Nov 13 @ 3:09 PM EST
    #asechat so who has RAG rated their dept against these?
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • doc_kristy Nov 13 @ 3:10 PM EST
    Me! #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 13 @ 3:10 PM EST
    Our @theASE 11-19 team suggested printing out pages 12 and 13 on A3 and sticking on prep room wall for easy ref #asechat #GPScience
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:10 PM EST
    No school in sample achieved more than 8 benchmarks, so there is a lot of development work needed #ASEchat
  • stevethedoc1 Nov 13 @ 3:11 PM EST
    #asechat so which is least achieved or hardest to achieve?
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • gregtheseal Nov 13 @ 3:11 PM EST
    I find that astonishing! #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • oboelizzy Nov 13 @ 3:11 PM EST
    #asechat yup - we did!
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @theASE
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:12 PM EST
    There is a 8 page summary to download which is a good intro https://t.co/Yjf1IcFSGa #ASEchat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 13 @ 3:12 PM EST
    Interesting comment from a great subject leader that he THOUGHT He had a practical science policy, turned out he hadn’t. Some aspects in place but no policy #asechat
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:12 PM EST
    Need to read the full report to find that out #ASEchat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1
  • stevethedoc1 Nov 13 @ 3:12 PM EST
    #asechat could be worth anon survey of self reporting against 10 then we might know where to put focus
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:13 PM EST
    I agree. One message for me that stands out is the benchmark 'Frequent and varied practical sci' is not just GCSE required pracs #ASEChat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1
  • stevethedoc1 Nov 13 @ 3:13 PM EST
    #asechat NO need survey of British compliance of 10
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • mrthomson Nov 13 @ 3:14 PM EST
    If you were building new labs, is there any reason to have fume cupboards near the front as opposed to the back? Can’t think of any, and is more pricey to do front (friend’s school building new labs) #ASEChat
  • _theteachr Nov 13 @ 3:14 PM EST
    Can anyone summarise the findings in 240 (minus 8) characters? #asechat
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 13 @ 3:14 PM EST
    I’m very jealous of all the science departments that have their own official paper copy. I’d like one, any chance @GatsbyEd ? #asechat
  • stevethedoc1 Nov 13 @ 3:14 PM EST
    #asechat possibly even suggest this doesn't count
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:15 PM EST
    You need a policy, resources, technical support to do good practical science. #ASEChat 1/3
    In reply to @_theteachr
  • SKLchem Nov 13 @ 3:15 PM EST
    #asechat - would be great for the SLP too!
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:16 PM EST
    There needs to be expert teachers, using investigative projects with assessment fit for purpose #ASEChat 2/3
    In reply to @_theteachr
  • stevethedoc1 Nov 13 @ 3:16 PM EST
    #asechat 10 benchmarks, how do you rate as dept?
    In reply to @_theteachr
  • gregtheseal Nov 13 @ 3:16 PM EST
    I do like OCR's approach to practicals at GCSE more variety #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @stevethedoc1
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:16 PM EST
    And practical work needs to be purposeful frequent and take a balanced approach to risk #ASEChat 3/3
    In reply to @_theteachr
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 13 @ 3:17 PM EST
    Page 53 #GPScience has a good diagram to show interrelationships between the 10 benchmarks, cans see the 3 enablers #asechat 1/2
  • _theteachr Nov 13 @ 3:17 PM EST
    The foundation of science is practical work - yes. We just spent the lifetime of the last spec not worrying about it, because we didn't need practicals to get good grades (kids - just learn how to find anomalous results & say why fair test is important") 1/2 #asechat
  • MarcNeesam Nov 13 @ 3:18 PM EST
    Apologies for being late again. Boy sleeping on me tonight - will be typing slowly with one hand! Anyone mentioned #microscale yet? #ASEChat
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 13 @ 3:18 PM EST
    Planned practical Science (= your policy) Expert teachers and technical expertise, take one of these away and its likely the rest won’t happen #asechat 2/2
  • damianainscough Nov 13 @ 3:19 PM EST
    #ASEchat Interesting point about 'at least half' of lessons should have practical element. Told last week that SLTs is limiting funding as the (misleadingly-named) 'required' practicals are all that is needed!
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:19 PM EST
    'Students should experience practical activity in at least half of their sciene lessons' (Benchmark 4 #GPS) #ASEChat
  • _theteachr Nov 13 @ 3:20 PM EST
    2/2 so now we need to change that attitude because practicals matter & specs encourage more practicals by just making sure you do some, at least 12 (or how ever many). Hopefully practicals are no longer about manipulating exams grades, but more about learning science #asechat
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 13 @ 3:21 PM EST
    I also like the match between purposeful practical work (BM 2) and @theASE “Getting Practical” https://t.co/lNJAdDO6bA some tweaks needed but still relevant #asechat
  • damianainscough Nov 13 @ 3:21 PM EST
    #ASEchat Also interesting that one of 5 purposes is purely to 'motivate and engage'.
  • MarcNeesam Nov 13 @ 3:22 PM EST
    Should primary science have an 'endorsed practical' model via teacher assessment of set practical criteria as part of standard end of year or end of phase assessment? Could work? #ASEChat
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 13 @ 3:22 PM EST
    We have work to do, and so do the awarding bodies if this is case is more widespread #asechat #outrageous #GPScience
    • damianainscough Nov 13 @ 3:19 PM EST
      #ASEchat Interesting point about 'at least half' of lessons should have practical element. Told last week that SLTs is limiting funding as the (misleadingly-named) 'required' practicals are all that is needed!
  • MarcNeesam Nov 13 @ 3:22 PM EST
    Does experience cover seeing demonstrations or watching videos of practicals? #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • _theteachr Nov 13 @ 3:23 PM EST
    Thanks Richard. I think it will take a shift in thinking. There are future teachers who studied the last spec who have little experience of doing GCSE science practicals themselves... hope A levels/university/PGCE, etc. sort that out! #ASEChat
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:23 PM EST
    Here is a Secret Teacher report by someone who does not have resources to teach physics https://t.co/XHUQuKLoUc #ASEchat
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:24 PM EST
    BM7 is about using IT to enhance not replace practical activity - so video substitutes are not encouraged. Demo could be goo though? #ASEchat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam
  • _theteachr Nov 13 @ 3:24 PM EST
    I'm guessing most school have about 1 hour lessons - how often do we trim to get to the relationship between the variables part, and miss all the richness offered by actually doing the practical in full. #asechat
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 13 @ 3:25 PM EST
    If you have that in your policy you’ve got something to measure against to see if it’s actually happening. otherwise nebulous expectation #asechat
    • DWalkerdine Nov 13 @ 3:23 PM EST
      Why do we need a policy? Surely the purpose of practical work is engagement and provoking situations where pupils have to think like a scientist.
      In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:25 PM EST
    It will take a massive shift in culture, financing and expertise to adopt the recommendations of this report #ASEchat
    In reply to @_theteachr
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 13 @ 3:26 PM EST
    The report gives recommendations about these #asechat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:26 PM EST
    To comply we will need to learn new skills - how to use practical in a small segment of the lesson to enrich what we are trying to teach #ASEchat
    In reply to @_theteachr
  • MarcNeesam Nov 13 @ 3:27 PM EST
    Which ones are the 'quick wins' vs the long term aims? #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @_theteachr
  • oboelizzy Nov 13 @ 3:27 PM EST
    #asechat I'll make an informed response to that in about 18 months time!! :)
    In reply to @MarcNeesam
  • damianainscough Nov 13 @ 3:28 PM EST
    #ASEchat When considering practical work I always go to this.. https://t.co/MalL4IJLGP
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 13 @ 3:28 PM EST
    A jointly constructed policy with the team, means that everyone is clear, and it is THEIR policy, I’m sure there is lots of prac work that does not address this purpose #asechat
    • DWalkerdine Nov 13 @ 3:23 PM EST
      Why do we need a policy? Surely the purpose of practical work is engagement and provoking situations where pupils have to think like a scientist.
      In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:28 PM EST
    The report found that schools struggled to use frequent practical science , especially in examination classes and with older students #ASEchat
    In reply to @DWalkerdine
  • rjpritchard Nov 13 @ 3:28 PM EST
    Ahem. Me too. Pretty please. #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @GatsbyEd
  • MarcNeesam Nov 13 @ 3:28 PM EST
    Does this mean more experiments as proof of concepts/principles in small doses rather than a dedicated practical lesson? #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @_theteachr
  • stormeducation Nov 13 @ 3:28 PM EST
    #asechat @ViciaScience , what is BM7? (I haven't been paying attention in this class)
  • jesswade Nov 13 @ 3:29 PM EST
    Hi #ASEChat crew, please celebrate @PhysicsNews' @rowsonjessica 😍 #MondayMotivation
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:29 PM EST
    We need to apply same thinking to investigations in secondary as used in primary #ASEchat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1
  • MarcNeesam Nov 13 @ 3:30 PM EST
    If you can let me know sooner I won't tell anyone! #ASEchat
    In reply to @oboelizzy
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 13 @ 3:30 PM EST
    You might be interested in following tonights #asechat which is discussion the #GPScience report
    • GatsbyEd Nov 13 @ 3:29 PM EST
      Hi Linda, we did mail out to as many schools as we could. Apologies if your copy didn’t arrive. Perhaps you could DM with details to send out a copy to?
      In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:30 PM EST
    Sorry. BM7 is bench mark 7 'real experiments, virtual enhancements' and encourages good use of IT #ASEChat
    In reply to @stormeducation
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 13 @ 3:31 PM EST
    Real versus virtual experiments #asechat
    In reply to @stormeducation, @ViciaScience
  • gregtheseal Nov 13 @ 3:31 PM EST
    Now your in year 11 we don't have time for practicals approach. #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @DWalkerdine
  • stevethedoc1 Nov 13 @ 3:31 PM EST
    #asechat careful now, that could lead to follow through and increased progression, primary might get accused of prepping for secondary well?!!!!
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • SKLchem Nov 13 @ 3:32 PM EST
    #asechat so agree about the misleading 'required' pracs - point came up at tech network last friday - teachers think they are must do in THAT format
    • damianainscough Nov 13 @ 3:19 PM EST
      #ASEchat Interesting point about 'at least half' of lessons should have practical element. Told last week that SLTs is limiting funding as the (misleadingly-named) 'required' practicals are all that is needed!
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:32 PM EST
    I think it encourages multiple uses of practical science - posing question, testing hyp., confirming prediction, Certainly I see a need to develop a 'small doses' approach #ASEChat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @_theteachr
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:33 PM EST
    why have we not thought of that before? #ASEChat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1
  • CazGerrard Nov 13 @ 3:34 PM EST
    As usual I forgot #ASEChat
  • damianainscough Nov 13 @ 3:34 PM EST
    And I met a new teacher who thought they were the only ones required! #ASEChat
    In reply to @SKLchem
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:34 PM EST
    Implicit in this report is the idea that current curricula will have to change, including exam classes and assessment #ASEchat
    In reply to @gregtheseal, @DWalkerdine
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 13 @ 3:34 PM EST
    Which is why you need a dept policy for all to buy into, and to evaluate against #asechat
    In reply to @DWalkerdine, @damianainscough
  • MarcNeesam Nov 13 @ 3:35 PM EST
    It will be interesting to see if BM 6 (technical support) improves the value and pay of technicians #ASEChat
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:35 PM EST
    A lot to print out if you include the appendices #ASEChat #GPS
    In reply to @CazGerrard
  • stevethedoc1 Nov 13 @ 3:35 PM EST
    #asechat do you mean think curricula first then exams will come
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @gregtheseal, @DWalkerdine
  • _theteachr Nov 13 @ 3:36 PM EST
    Think a department needs to think through their practical approach (policy) over yr 7 to 11 and what they want the kids to experience as they progress through the years and through their ability to process (cognition) - perhaps longer investigations as you get older... #asechat
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:36 PM EST
    Help! #ASEchat
    • damianainscough Nov 13 @ 3:34 PM EST
      And I met a new teacher who thought they were the only ones required! #ASEChat
      In reply to @SKLchem
  • SKLchem Nov 13 @ 3:36 PM EST
    #asechat Doesn't help with AO2! Have lots; electrolysis circus - brine in U-tube with UI; microscale CuCl2; copper-plating; hoffman voltameter
    • damianainscough Nov 13 @ 3:34 PM EST
      And I met a new teacher who thought they were the only ones required! #ASEChat
      In reply to @SKLchem
  • damianainscough Nov 13 @ 3:36 PM EST
    #ASEchat How is it anticipated that this report will really change the way things happen in schools?
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 13 @ 3:36 PM EST
    Perfect description, of ‘job’ needed #asechat
    • _theteachr Nov 13 @ 3:36 PM EST
      Think a department needs to think through their practical approach (policy) over yr 7 to 11 and what they want the kids to experience as they progress through the years and through their ability to process (cognition) - perhaps longer investigations as you get older... #asechat
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:37 PM EST
    If we do not have recognition and acceptance of the need for technical support then the report is dead #ASEchat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam
  • MarcNeesam Nov 13 @ 3:37 PM EST
    The intended curriculum can be taught in multiple ways. Support materials for the enacted curriculum need to be clearer and assessments need to minimise washback. (Easier said than done perhaps but possible) #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @gregtheseal, @DWalkerdine
  • gregtheseal Nov 13 @ 3:38 PM EST
    Not my view or indeed yours but has always been a common approach from some... #asechat
    In reply to @DWalkerdine, @ViciaScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 13 @ 3:38 PM EST
    Want to like this one a lot, only have one twitter heart #asechat
    • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:37 PM EST
      If we do not have recognition and acceptance of the need for technical support then the report is dead #ASEchat
      In reply to @MarcNeesam
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:38 PM EST
    No. I think the assessment has to be worked out along with what you want to teach. Current 'bolt on ' approach to practice assessment is not good enough #ASEchat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @gregtheseal, @DWalkerdine
  • damianainscough Nov 13 @ 3:38 PM EST
    Definitely. As some youngsters say, 'it's better than writing.' #asechat
    In reply to @DWalkerdine, @NeedhamL56
  • MarcNeesam Nov 13 @ 3:39 PM EST
    Pretty sure that's not how exam boards have talked about it... @ndbrning #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @ndbrning
  • stevethedoc1 Nov 13 @ 3:39 PM EST
    #asechat a few places will adjust but basically we'll stay the same 'exams count', need serious thinking shift etc
    In reply to @damianainscough
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:39 PM EST
    I agree. There needs to be clarity over the purposes, skills and activities, and how progression is built up. Current haphazard approach is a wasted opportunity #ASEChat
    In reply to @_theteachr
  • _theteachr Nov 13 @ 3:40 PM EST
    *chucking in a spanner SLT might not support expenditure and time on the science dept so they can "do more experiments, which are nice and all that, but the kids have exams to get through" #asechat
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:41 PM EST
    Step 1 Make sure science teachers are aware of the report Step 2 discuss contents as a school Step 3 Agree some priorities for development #ASEchat
    In reply to @damianainscough
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:43 PM EST
    Work on a policy for practical science within the school. Identify barriers to policy and tackle the least robust #ASEchat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @_theteachr
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 13 @ 3:43 PM EST
    There is a job to do to educate SLT about the purpose of practical work, but sometimes we don’t do ourselves any favours, be explicit about outcomes #asechat
    • _theteachr Nov 13 @ 3:40 PM EST
      *chucking in a spanner SLT might not support expenditure and time on the science dept so they can "do more experiments, which are nice and all that, but the kids have exams to get through" #asechat
  • MarcNeesam Nov 13 @ 3:43 PM EST
    Need to show a link between high quality practical work and exam results. Is there any existing evidence of that link? Does it exist? #ASEchat
    In reply to @_theteachr
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 13 @ 3:44 PM EST
    Or work up to this one… nail the easy wins first! #asechat #marginalgains
    • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:43 PM EST
      Work on a policy for practical science within the school. Identify barriers to policy and tackle the least robust #ASEchat
      In reply to @MarcNeesam, @_theteachr
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:44 PM EST
    And this is a major concern. It may be why the report is not getting to science depts. Please ask for your copy. #ASEchat
    In reply to @_theteachr
  • SciKathryn Nov 13 @ 3:45 PM EST
    Tips 4 leading improvement as a primary subject lead #PrimaryRocks #ASEchat https://t.co/pbpEc8drbm
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 13 @ 3:45 PM EST
    I think the work of Abrahams and Millar showed the opposite, as we are not clear about the purpose or how to make it more effective #asechat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @_theteachr
  • SKLchem Nov 13 @ 3:45 PM EST
    #asechat thrilled to work with fab techs last fri - thinking about how to use what they learned to support cheshire teachers
    • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 13 @ 3:43 PM EST
      There is a job to do to educate SLT about the purpose of practical work, but sometimes we don’t do ourselves any favours, be explicit about outcomes #asechat
      • _theteachr Nov 13 @ 3:40 PM EST
        *chucking in a spanner SLT might not support expenditure and time on the science dept so they can "do more experiments, which are nice and all that, but the kids have exams to get through" #asechat
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:45 PM EST
    There is a major struggle to convince SLT/ govs that science needs adequate funding in current climate #ASEChat Join a prof assoc and let them exert pressure!
    In reply to @_theteachr
  • stevethedoc1 Nov 13 @ 3:46 PM EST
    #asechat or even destinations, what happens when they leave us after quality practical science rather than simply exams
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @_theteachr
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:47 PM EST
    Not necessarily. Generating an upsurge in numbers of students studying science post 16 is even better than good GCSE results and pissed off kids #ASEChat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @_theteachr
  • MarcNeesam Nov 13 @ 3:48 PM EST
    To get mass change in practice we have to show practical work supports current assessment outcomes. That proof has to be quite significant and secure as well. Anything else is effectively shouting into the wind #ASEchat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @_theteachr
  • SKLchem Nov 13 @ 3:48 PM EST
    #asechat SO agree & use published evidence; and not all pracs are expensive - some great microscale https://t.co/QsgvV3yy91
    • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:45 PM EST
      There is a major struggle to convince SLT/ govs that science needs adequate funding in current climate #ASEChat Join a prof assoc and let them exert pressure!
      In reply to @_theteachr
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:49 PM EST
    Ofsted are important but we cannot wait for this effect to bed in. Need to get started now. @theASE is working on promoting 3 of the benchmarks #ASEChat
    In reply to @DWalkerdine, @_theteachr, @theASE
  • MarcNeesam Nov 13 @ 3:49 PM EST
    Not for the schools - have to work in the context they are in rather than just be another voice telling them to do things for higher reasons #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @_theteachr
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:50 PM EST
    The Good Practical Science report makes international comparisons. We are relatively well off for resources but not making full use of labs #ASEchat
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 13 @ 3:51 PM EST
    I don’t want to agree with you but I fear you are quite right. #sad #asechat #accountability
    • MarcNeesam Nov 13 @ 3:48 PM EST
      To get mass change in practice we have to show practical work supports current assessment outcomes. That proof has to be quite significant and secure as well. Anything else is effectively shouting into the wind #ASEchat
      In reply to @NeedhamL56, @_theteachr
  • _theteachr Nov 13 @ 3:51 PM EST
    It would also be good to see a concerted effort to bring practicals into 21st century #asechat
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:51 PM EST
    So change accountability measures to include progression rates? #ASEchat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @_theteachr
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 13 @ 3:52 PM EST
    Can you explain a bit more? What prevents them being 21st C ? #asechat
    In reply to @_theteachr
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:52 PM EST
    Yes. We could list the practical activities that originated in 19 C and still taught today! 'How to light a Bunsen' #ASEChat
    In reply to @_theteachr
  • sjreido Nov 13 @ 3:53 PM EST
    Probably impossible to measure, as are many changes in education. There are so many variables that we cannot control. #asechat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @_theteachr
  • MarcNeesam Nov 13 @ 3:53 PM EST
    I also don't like that thinking but not liking it won't make it go away sadly #ASEchat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • stevethedoc1 Nov 13 @ 3:54 PM EST
    #asechat why can't we shout more about all our achievements, destinations not just exams, then we can get change
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:54 PM EST
    The Good Practical Science report needs to be read and discussed. It could be a major influence on reforming the curriculum. We all agree currently there is too much 'stuff' to teach #ASEchat
  • stevethedoc1 Nov 13 @ 3:55 PM EST
    #asechat already have waiting for schools to catch up
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam, @_theteachr
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 13 @ 3:55 PM EST
    As well as 10 benchmarks there are 10 recommendations addressed at Policy makers Ofsted governors, headteachers, teacher trainers, Ofqual, science leaders, government #asechat
  • alomshaha Nov 13 @ 3:56 PM EST
    How do we ensure it’s classroom teachers who largely influence the inevitable next reform of the curriculum and not busy bodies from outside? #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • MarcNeesam Nov 13 @ 3:56 PM EST
    Think it would be good to map curriculum content against practical work and see how much content there is that has no potential what so ever to be shown or supported via practical. That is the content that needs to be thought about first. #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • stevethedoc1 Nov 13 @ 3:57 PM EST
    #asechat by getting on and doing it
    In reply to @alomshaha, @ViciaScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 13 @ 3:57 PM EST
    AND @theASE gets a mention for recommendation 6 Planning for success linked to BM 1 Planned practical science, so watch this space #asechat
  • cleverfiend Nov 13 @ 3:58 PM EST
    Reading this - seems to good match to tonight's #ASEChat 🙀 https://t.co/NN8peDt468
  • stevethedoc1 Nov 13 @ 3:58 PM EST
    #asechat just too many exam teachers and alt
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam, @_theteachr
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:58 PM EST
    Key message from tonights #ASEChat (well me really) is to get hold of a copy of the GPS report (even just the summary) and discuss with colleagues
  • peterslade Nov 13 @ 3:59 PM EST
    The report endorses what we know already, there aren’t exactly any surprises. So your question is a good one #ASEchat
    In reply to @damianainscough
  • ViciaScience Nov 13 @ 3:59 PM EST
    In the longer term @theASE want to build on Getting Practical and find ways to support schools who want to implement some of the benchmarks #ASEChat