#ElemMathChat Archive

Elementary math chat is a weekly math chat where participants come to discuss best practices, examine student work, explore routines for reasoning and research that guides and supports pedagogy centered on problem and student based learning.

Thursday March 1, 2018
9:00 PM EST

  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:00 PM EST
    Ok...Here we go!!!!! Let's use the regular Question/Answer format. @Scoothie_Math #elemmathchat
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Q0 Model What do you notice? What do you wonder? @Scoothie_Math #elemmathchat
  • mathkaveli Mar 1 @ 9:02 PM EST
    Let's go #ElemMathChat I notice a garden of words and fun stuff #ElemMathChat
  • CoachLaurenJ Mar 1 @ 9:02 PM EST
    A0 N: the array is partitioned and has has marks for more partitioning W: Who is George Weeds? #elemmathchat
  • DDibley123 Mar 1 @ 9:02 PM EST
    A0 - Right now I'm noticing that my wireless network is s l o w and it might be an hour before I see any pictures. #elemmathchat
  • Kidsmathtalk Mar 1 @ 9:03 PM EST
    What do all of the red tick marks in the “still needs to be weeded” section means to the problem #elemmathchat
  • MNmMath - Moderator Mar 1 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Hi #ElemMathChat so excited to have @themathgirl & @Scoothie_Math leading tonight!
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:03 PM EST
    #ElemMathChat
    • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:03 PM EST
      How much of the garden did George weed? What do you notice?
      In reply to @mathkaveli
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:04 PM EST
    George is a man that weeds the garden! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @CoachLaurenJ
  • Kidsmathtalk Mar 1 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Using color with a tape diagram can help us see the parts #elemmathchat
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:04 PM EST
    I don't know...what do you notice? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @Kidsmathtalk
  • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:04 PM EST
    A0: I see a lot of weeding that needs done yet... not even half way done! #elemmathchat
  • MarieMcMB Mar 1 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Marie Brigham Grade 4 Teacher from MA #elemmathchat
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:04 PM EST
    What parts do you see? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @Kidsmathtalk
  • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Great point... helps to emphasize certain partitions or areas of interest #elemmathchat
    In reply to @Kidsmathtalk
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:05 PM EST
    Hi Marie!!! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MarieMcMB
  • MRegan_Baxter Mar 1 @ 9:05 PM EST
    Regan from Kansas here! I teach K-6 Reading & Math Intervention. #elemmathchat #IHMarchMadness
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:05 PM EST
    Hi Regan! Thanks for joining us!!!!!! This is a good night for you to come! We are making sense! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MRegan_Baxter
  • DDibley123 Mar 1 @ 9:05 PM EST
    A0 - OK I notice the rectangle is partitioned (although not equally) so perhaps fragmented is a better word, into three parts. The parts are labeled and I also want to know who George is. #elemmathchat
  • anna_yakabe Mar 1 @ 9:05 PM EST
    Q0 Hello, third grade teacher joining for the first time! I notice that 1/3 has been weeded #elemmathchat
  • CoachLaurenJ Mar 1 @ 9:05 PM EST
    A0 I notice the summer weeds section is the smallest. I hope that it's full of vibrant summer color! #elemmathchat
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:06 PM EST
    Q1: Our purpose tonight is to TALK and COLLABORATE about our students SOLVING problems! Mostly we are looking at Math Stories, AKA Word Problems! EEK! @Scoothie_Math #elemmathchat
  • MarieMcMB Mar 1 @ 9:06 PM EST
    A1: Looks like George weeded about one fifth of the garden. #elemmathchat
  • pearse_margie Mar 1 @ 9:06 PM EST
    #elemmathchat Hi! Margie from PA Math Coach I notice that George has his work cut out for him
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:06 PM EST
    George was just a kid in the math story. Summer is also a person in the math story!!! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @DDibley123
  • Kidsmathtalk Mar 1 @ 9:06 PM EST
    George has a part, Summer has a part, and they left their work undone lol #elemMathchat
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:06 PM EST
    You're funny. Hi Margie!!! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @pearse_margie
  • Joannbarnett Mar 1 @ 9:06 PM EST
    I have the best gig ever....I get to teach preservice teachers at Missouri State University.... working with colleagues who are fun and easy to love. I wish I had a garden...weeds or not! @joannbarnett #elemmathchat
  • MNmMath - Moderator Mar 1 @ 9:07 PM EST
    Hi I'm Melynee I teach 6-8th grade direct instruction math in Oklahoma! I notice George weeds more than summer. They have more than 1/2 left. I wonder why George weeds more. I wonder where this garden is that it has weed in it in February. #ElemMathChat
  • katrina_cade Mar 1 @ 9:07 PM EST
    Hello, Katrina from Charlotte, NC #elemmathchat
  • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:07 PM EST
    Oh no! Hope it picks up speed for you #elemmathchat
    In reply to @DDibley123
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:07 PM EST
    I think I might have needed to say more about the garden! George and Summer have weeded "some" of the garden? What do you notice? How much? I used "color and tick marks" to help you figure it out! #elemmathchat
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:07 PM EST
    Welcome Katrina! Glad you are here!!! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @katrina_cade
  • Kidsmathtalk Mar 1 @ 9:07 PM EST
    A1: ss have trouble visualizing problems and understanding why things are happening in the problem #elemmathchat
  • miss_ginder Mar 1 @ 9:07 PM EST
    A0: Hi! Emma, 1st grade teacher here. I notice there are red ticks at the top of the garden but not at the bottom...done on purpose?! #elemmathchat #IHMarchMadness
  • MarieMcMB Mar 1 @ 9:07 PM EST
    A1: I'm wondering what those red hash marks mean. I wonder if the bottom one divides the area needing to be weeded in half. I wonder if the top ones divide the whole into fifths. #elemmathchat
  • MNmMath - Moderator Mar 1 @ 9:07 PM EST
    Hi Marie! Glad you are here! #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @MarieMcMB
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:08 PM EST
    I love you Melynee!!! Love what you noticed! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MNmMath
  • DDibley123 Mar 1 @ 9:08 PM EST
    Fragmented is the correct term either because it isn't broken into pieces. I'm going to change my noticing to "the rectangle has 3 sections delineated." #elemmathchat
  • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:08 PM EST
    I wonder how you saw fifths #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MarieMcMB
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:08 PM EST
    Me too! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @Joannbarnett
  • mathkaveli Mar 1 @ 9:08 PM EST
    a1 Ss making sense of the problem, accessing language, etc #ElemMathChat
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:08 PM EST
    Hmmmm... Hi Emma! Are you sure you don't see any ticks at the bottom? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @miss_ginder
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:09 PM EST
    Here is what some REAL teachers said! As opposed to fake teachers, haha! This is what we heard from colleagues on our side of the world! AKA Missouri! @Scoothie_Math #elemmathchat
  • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:09 PM EST
    Hi Joann!!! ANd she is an AMAZING teacher!!! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @Joannbarnett
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:09 PM EST
    BINGO!!!! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @Kidsmathtalk
  • MNmMath - Moderator Mar 1 @ 9:09 PM EST
    I am the kid that needs help focusing in class! #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @themathgirl
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:09 PM EST
    I wonder this too... I wonder if I made those on purpose ??? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @Scoothie_Math, @MarieMcMB
  • MarieMcMB Mar 1 @ 9:09 PM EST
    A1: My students don't always give themselves the time to visualize, comprehend, notice and wonder before jumping into solve. #elemmathchat
  • MNmMath - Moderator Mar 1 @ 9:09 PM EST
    Hi Anna! So awesome to have you here! Come back every week! #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @anna_yakabe
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:10 PM EST
    Q2: Visualize, Visualize, Visualize!!! K-2 teachers use MANIPULATIVES with all of the problem types so students have a VISUAL. We are fans of bar modeling/tape diagrams but students need a visual with cubes before they can see the comparisons! #elemmathchat @Scoothie_Math
  • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:10 PM EST
    Look again at the bottom... you might notice a few. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @miss_ginder
  • CoachLaurenJ Mar 1 @ 9:10 PM EST
    A1 Where to begin??......... #ElemMathChat
  • howie_hua Mar 1 @ 9:10 PM EST
    A1: Struggles tend to be knowing what operations to use. SS tend to try to think of an equation when visuals might be more efficient. #elemmathchat
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:10 PM EST
    I made this image to match a math story!!! It's purposeful why the tick marks are there! The top is broken into fifths and the bottom you can find thirds. :) #elemmathchat
    In reply to @DDibley123
  • katrina_cade Mar 1 @ 9:10 PM EST
    A1: Our students typically struggle with reading word problems and/or comprehending the word problem. #elemmathchat
  • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:10 PM EST
    Great precision with your vocabulary Dawn! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @DDibley123
  • pearse_margie Mar 1 @ 9:10 PM EST
    #elemmathchat A1: OMG - don't even get me started. Our Ss BIGGEST problem is learning to use key words as their only way to solve word problems. Soon they see no reason to even read the problems. They just circle, underline & magic happens. Ugh
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:10 PM EST
    YES YES YES! They read the problem and they just try something!!! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @howie_hua
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:11 PM EST
    Q2: Here is the picture and the question!!! What do you notice and wonder? What do you think students noticed and wondered? @Scoothie_Math #elemmathchat
  • CoachLaurenJ Mar 1 @ 9:11 PM EST
    A1 Students struggle with contextualizing the math within the story. They don't seem to connect an operation with the actions of the story. #elemmathchat
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:11 PM EST
    OH NO! We've found Margie's soapbox! Love it! I'm trying to stop the circling and underlining in our district!!! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @pearse_margie
  • DDibley123 Mar 1 @ 9:11 PM EST
    A1 Students have problems with understanding what's going on in the problem. I think it's often more of a reading comprehension issue than a computation issue. I've suggested the word problems should be a genre for reading instruction. #elemmathchat
  • erinleung24 Mar 1 @ 9:11 PM EST
    This is Erin from California! I'm a junior at Chapman University and I am majoring in Education and double minoring in STEM and Sociology. #ElemMathChat
  • MNmMath - Moderator Mar 1 @ 9:11 PM EST
    A1 Until I started using #noticewonder my students struggled to pick out the relevant information. They would number pick and do random calculations. They still wonder about what calculations to use, but their notices usually help! #ElemMathChat
  • katrina_cade Mar 1 @ 9:12 PM EST
    A2: They probably noticed that Jessica scored more goals than Craig. #elemmathchat
  • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:12 PM EST
    Right??? It is usually more than one complication within our class. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @CoachLaurenJ
  • Kidsmathtalk Mar 1 @ 9:12 PM EST
    How do we use student data to help start a conversation about changing teacher mindsets about this key word fallacy? #elemMathchat
    • pearse_margie Mar 1 @ 9:10 PM EST
      #elemmathchat A1: OMG - don't even get me started. Our Ss BIGGEST problem is learning to use key words as their only way to solve word problems. Soon they see no reason to even read the problems. They just circle, underline & magic happens. Ugh
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:12 PM EST
    That's what one of our teachers said when we asked! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @DDibley123
  • katrina_cade Mar 1 @ 9:12 PM EST
    We have similar struggles at my school. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @CoachLaurenJ
  • MNmMath - Moderator Mar 1 @ 9:12 PM EST
    I would not want to be George! I plant perennials, slap down thick black plastic and cover with rocks to avoid the weeds! #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @pearse_margie
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:13 PM EST
    They did notice this!!!!! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @katrina_cade
  • MRegan_Baxter Mar 1 @ 9:13 PM EST
    A1 The struggle with picking out the information they need and deciding which operation to choose #elemmathchat #IHMarchMadness
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:13 PM EST
    What do you do to combat this? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @katrina_cade, @CoachLaurenJ
  • Joannbarnett Mar 1 @ 9:13 PM EST
    A1 my students seem to struggle with wondering how "they are supposed to solve the problem". It takes awhile to convince them that the correct way to solve the problem is "their way" and not "my way." #elemmathchat
  • miss_ginder Mar 1 @ 9:13 PM EST
    A2: I noticed Jessica scored more goals than Craig and we want to find how many goals were scored total. Some Ss would probably be too distracted by the fact the girl scored more than the boy...! #elemmathchat #IHMarchMadness
  • katrina_cade Mar 1 @ 9:13 PM EST
    I like the thought of adding math word problems as a new genre. Our students struggle with comprehension as well. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @DDibley123
  • DeeLeible Mar 1 @ 9:13 PM EST
    Dee here jumping in late from Missouri teaching 5-7 Math this year. #elemmathchat
  • MNmMath - Moderator Mar 1 @ 9:14 PM EST
    This tweet is highly distracting! It is in my Tweetdeck right next to my #ElemMathChat and my eyes are going nuts! Love you, crazy people!
    In reply to @mathkaveli, @techcoachjuarez, @kat_goyette
  • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:14 PM EST
    One of the most powerful tools I have used with teachers is to show them 2 stories that both use the exact same keyword but are representing completely different operations. It helps for them to see examples and student mistakes due to those keywords. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @Kidsmathtalk
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:14 PM EST
    Me too Teri!!! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @DaultonAS
  • MissMath_Teach Mar 1 @ 9:14 PM EST
    Hi guys! Lori from just south of St Louis. K-5 math interventionist #elemmathchat
  • mathkaveli Mar 1 @ 9:14 PM EST
    A2 I notice the two tape diagrams and I wondered how much more I’d need to add to make the two bars the same length #elemmathchat
  • MNmMath - Moderator Mar 1 @ 9:14 PM EST
    If I keep replying to it I can make it scroll down the page! #ElemMathChat #MathConceptions
    In reply to @mathkaveli, @techcoachjuarez, @kat_goyette
  • katrina_cade Mar 1 @ 9:15 PM EST
    We try to have students act out what's happening or draw a sketch of what's happening. We need to break the problem into parts and have them retell what's happening. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @themathgirl, @CoachLaurenJ
  • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:15 PM EST
    Yes! And they are so focused on getting an answer, they forget to focus on making sense of what is happening. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @Joannbarnett
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:15 PM EST
    It was 2 of the teachers in their building. They loved it. Mr. Kondracki (Craig) didn't like it so much. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @miss_ginder
  • anna_yakabe Mar 1 @ 9:15 PM EST
    A2 I notice the difference between J and C are maybe worth 1/3 of J’s total, I wonder if this data is from 1 game. I think students will notice there are no numbers in graph #ElemMathChat
  • chrissybug24 Mar 1 @ 9:15 PM EST
    Hey, #octmchat -- still want to chat math? Hop on over to @NCTM #elemmathchat -- it just started a little bit ago... it's never too late to join a Twitter Chat #octmconnects
  • mathkaveli Mar 1 @ 9:15 PM EST
    Lol #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MNmMath, @techcoachjuarez, @kat_goyette
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:15 PM EST
    YES! We do this! Good ideas!!! VISUAL! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @katrina_cade, @CoachLaurenJ
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:16 PM EST
    Q3: Look at what the students said. NOW, we want you to write a math story!!! Be creative! It can be any grade level as long as you think it can be solved with this model. @Scoothie_Math #elemmathchat
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:16 PM EST
    Drawing a picture of what is happening will really help!!! That's why I gave them the model! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MRegan_Baxter
  • MarieMcMB Mar 1 @ 9:16 PM EST
    A2: Ss notice Jessica scored more goals. They may wonder how many were scored in all or how many Craig will need to score to tie with Jessica. I notice that Craig has scored about 2/3 as many as Jessica. I wonder how many goals are equal to 1/3. #elemmathchat
  • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:16 PM EST
    #elemmathchat
  • MNmMath - Moderator Mar 1 @ 9:16 PM EST
    It is a tweet from Monday's #MathConceptions chat that is next to my #ElemMathChat feed lol I told you I am the high maintenance kid. :)
    In reply to @themathgirl, @mathkaveli, @techcoachjuarez, @kat_goyette
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:16 PM EST
    The students noticed that too! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @mathkaveli
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:16 PM EST
    Hi Lori!! Thanks for coming! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MissMath_Teach
  • MarkChubb3 Mar 1 @ 9:16 PM EST
    A1 Some Ss struggle to see their role moving from solving same thing for them self to communicating so others an learn from them. #elemmathchat
  • MNmMath - Moderator Mar 1 @ 9:16 PM EST
    It worked! #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @mathkaveli, @techcoachjuarez, @kat_goyette
  • MarkChubb3 Mar 1 @ 9:17 PM EST
    A1 Some Ss jump to their solution strategy before they’ve understood the problem. #elemmathchat
  • Kidsmathtalk Mar 1 @ 9:17 PM EST
    I didn’t think the #mathconceptions chat was still going! #elemMathchat
  • katrina_cade Mar 1 @ 9:17 PM EST
    I hate when teachers focus solely on key words. There are so many counterexamples. We need to teach students to focus on the action in the problem not just specific key words. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @Scoothie_Math, @Kidsmathtalk
  • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:17 PM EST
    Iḿ curious, what makes you think we want to find how many goals they scored total? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @miss_ginder
  • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:18 PM EST
    Welcome Dee! Glad you joined us. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @DeeLeible
  • Kidsmathtalk Mar 1 @ 9:18 PM EST
    When I see key word posters in classrooms I cringe. #elemMathchat
    • katrina_cade Mar 1 @ 9:17 PM EST
      I hate when teachers focus solely on key words. There are so many counterexamples. We need to teach students to focus on the action in the problem not just specific key words. #elemmathchat
      In reply to @Scoothie_Math, @Kidsmathtalk
  • mathkaveli Mar 1 @ 9:18 PM EST
    Eloquent way of saying Ss don’t read and just start adding or multiplying numbers #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MarkChubb3
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:18 PM EST
    Q3 just came up! This is a picture of what the kids noticed!!!! It was amazing! 3rd graders! Can you write a math story that your kids could solve if given this model (with some of the numbers) #elemmathchat
  • MNmMath - Moderator Mar 1 @ 9:18 PM EST
    I read everything to my students. I would do the same in gen ed. I don't want reading comprehension to be the barrier. #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @themathgirl, @DDibley123
  • mathkaveli Mar 1 @ 9:18 PM EST
    It’s still going strong. Every Monday #elemmathchat
    In reply to @Kidsmathtalk
  • MRegan_Baxter Mar 1 @ 9:19 PM EST
    A2 Ss notice Jessica scored more goals than Craig. They wonder how many more goals Craig would need to be tied with Jessica. Ss would notice there are not any numbers at all to help them solve. #ElemMathChat #IHMarchMadness
  • MarieMcMB Mar 1 @ 9:19 PM EST
    CUBES makes me crazy! #elemmathchat
  • MrBinfield Mar 1 @ 9:19 PM EST
    Hi everyone! Jumping in a bit late. #ElemmathChat
  • katrina_cade Mar 1 @ 9:19 PM EST
    A3: Jessica and Craig scored a total of 70 soccer goals. If Craig scored 10 goals less than Jessica, how many goals did they each score individually? #elemmathchat
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:20 PM EST
    #elemmathchat YES TEAR UP THE KEY WORD POSTERS!
    In reply to @katrina_cade, @Scoothie_Math, @Kidsmathtalk
  • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:20 PM EST
    Acting it out and experiencing the story can be so great for students! Love it! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @katrina_cade, @themathgirl, @CoachLaurenJ
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:20 PM EST
    YES...we are working so hard to USE models and reasoning to start working the problem #elemmathchat
    In reply to @mathkaveli, @MarkChubb3
  • Kidsmathtalk Mar 1 @ 9:21 PM EST
    I know. But at the same time I think “these teachers are trying something” and it give me hope that they will be open to new possibilities when I present them #elemMathchat
  • MNmMath - Moderator Mar 1 @ 9:21 PM EST
    A2 It depends on if these kiddos notice and wonder regularly. If not they noticed kids names, the arrow. If they do nw often they might notice the differing lengths of the bars and wonder what that means #ElemMathChat
  • MarkChubb3 Mar 1 @ 9:21 PM EST
    Many Ts teach a concept, then give a word problem (called teaching FOR problem solving) then notice their Ss didn’t read the text. If Ss learned THROUGH problem solving, Ss would be better at making sense of problems instead of jumping to solutions without thinking #elemmathchat
    In reply to @themathgirl, @Scoothie_Math
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:21 PM EST
    Thanks Katrina!!! LOVE THIS! What grade do you teach? I think this is like an Algebra 1 question..but definitely could be solved through a model. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @katrina_cade
  • MNmMath - Moderator Mar 1 @ 9:21 PM EST
    Hi Dee! Glad you made it! #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @DeeLeible
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:22 PM EST
    Time for Q4... Here is a slide about Numberless Word Problems! Thanks @bstockus @Scoothie_Math #elemmathchat
  • miss_ginder Mar 1 @ 9:22 PM EST
    Q4: 1st grade teacher here. Jessica and Craig scored 70 goals total. If Jessica scored 40 goals, how many goals did Craig score? #elemmathchat #IHMarchMadness
    • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:18 PM EST
      Q3 just came up! This is a picture of what the kids noticed!!!! It was amazing! 3rd graders! Can you write a math story that your kids could solve if given this model (with some of the numbers) #elemmathchat
  • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:22 PM EST
    #elemmathchat
  • katrina_cade Mar 1 @ 9:22 PM EST
    I'm a K-5 math facilitator/coach. I have previously taught all grades 2-5. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @themathgirl
  • anna_yakabe Mar 1 @ 9:22 PM EST
    A3 Jessica and Craig are comparing the number of goals they scored this season in soccer. Their combined number of goals was 70. How many goals did each player make? #ElemMathChat
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:23 PM EST
    Here's the LINK again for Q4. #ElemMathChat https://t.co/oytNOBZt1M
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:23 PM EST
    Q4: Here's the actual question 4! You have a link to a google doc. Use it to look at the numberless word problem we did with 3rd graders! Then see their work for the question! @Scoothie_Math #elemmathchat https://t.co/oytNOBZt1M
  • mrsforest Mar 1 @ 9:23 PM EST
    Yeah... but confession time, I used to teach using key words! 😬 Here’s why I stopped: https://t.co/1QkFNZZ1QA #elemmathchat
    In reply to @themathgirl, @katrina_cade, @Scoothie_Math, @Kidsmathtalk
  • MarieMcMB Mar 1 @ 9:23 PM EST
    I don’t disagree. I just worry anytime I see tricks and shortcuts around thinking deeply. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @Kidsmathtalk
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:23 PM EST
    Q4 is coming in a second....be ready there will be a link to copy and paste into your web browser. #elemmathchat
  • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:23 PM EST
    Definitely a classroom culture shift to help kids understand how much their peers can learn from hearing each other! It can be SO powerful once they open up #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MarkChubb3
  • katrina_cade Mar 1 @ 9:23 PM EST
    I used to teach them too. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @mrsforest, @themathgirl, @Scoothie_Math, @Kidsmathtalk
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:24 PM EST
    ME TOO ANNIE! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @mrsforest, @katrina_cade, @Scoothie_Math, @Kidsmathtalk
  • CoachLaurenJ Mar 1 @ 9:24 PM EST
    A3 For 1st graders I would set either of the players at 10 goals and ask all the related questions. Am I understanding your question right? #elemmathchat
  • MNmMath - Moderator Mar 1 @ 9:24 PM EST
    Glad you are here! #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @MrBinfield
  • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:24 PM EST
    Too often they have been trained to be Answer Getters rather than Problem Solvers! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MarkChubb3
  • MarkChubb3 Mar 1 @ 9:24 PM EST
    A2 In one of my shoots there is a set goal of putting this phrase on assignments/problems: Include a visual representation that will help others understand your answer. But, this also requires that we share student work so we can help Ss see how vis. reps help! #elemmathchat
  • MrBinfield Mar 1 @ 9:24 PM EST
    Love the idea of #noticewonder with a partially labeled bar or ribbon model. #ElemmathChat
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:25 PM EST
    I know this CHAT is moving!!!! #elemmathchat
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:25 PM EST
    Remember to use #elemmathchat on all REPLIES to others!!!!
  • MarkChubb3 Mar 1 @ 9:25 PM EST
    Eeeekkkkk! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @pearse_margie
  • DDibley123 Mar 1 @ 9:25 PM EST
    I think it's important to share that with teachers. I always admit that I used to use TouchPoints and why I have changed. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @katrina_cade, @mrsforest, @themathgirl, @Scoothie_Math, @Kidsmathtalk
  • DeeLeible Mar 1 @ 9:25 PM EST
    Tonight’s convo reminds me so much of @robertkaplinsky's site: https://t.co/ES6leSjW70 #elemmathchat
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:25 PM EST
    I like how you say that!!!! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MarkChubb3
  • MarkChubb3 Mar 1 @ 9:26 PM EST
    A2 I notice bars. I wonder if this is a part-part-whole representation? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @themathgirl, @Scoothie_Math
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:26 PM EST
    YES LAUREN J...you would just want to make the model fit your grade level. Firsties can start seeing these models. I recommend you BUILD them with blocks first... #elemmathchat
    In reply to @CoachLaurenJ
  • Kidsmathtalk Mar 1 @ 9:26 PM EST
    Oh me all day too when I started teaching 13 years ago. #liveandlearn #growthmindset #conceptualunderstandingisbest #elemmathchat
  • jkgibson6 Mar 1 @ 9:26 PM EST
    It is eye-opening, isn't it! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @DeeLeible, @robertkaplinsky
  • katrina_cade Mar 1 @ 9:27 PM EST
    I agree. It's important to share our own experiences and to explain why another practice may be better. But sometimes Ts need to learn for themselves before they will completely buy into an idea. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @DDibley123, @mrsforest, @themathgirl, @Scoothie_Math, @Kidsmathtalk
  • MRegan_Baxter Mar 1 @ 9:27 PM EST
    A3 Jessica scored 40 goals and Craig scored 30 goals. How many more goals does Craig need to score to be tied with Jessica? #ElemMathChat #IHMarchMadness
  • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:27 PM EST
    Just imagine how we could use this with other models... number lines, arrays, area models, pictures, etc... The power in students developing their understanding BEFORE the word problem is even presented! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MrBinfield
  • MissMath_Teach Mar 1 @ 9:27 PM EST
    Having math read used to be an IEP modification needed for our old state tests. I wonder if Ts in MO understand that all Ss can have all math read to them #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MNmMath, @themathgirl, @DDibley123
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:27 PM EST
    It was awesome with kids this week! I purposefully did it before the next "problem...the one that's up now" so that they might have a visual to connect it to. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MrBinfield
  • MNmMath - Moderator Mar 1 @ 9:27 PM EST
    We call that number picking in my class. It is a no go! #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @pearse_margie
  • MarkChubb3 Mar 1 @ 9:28 PM EST
    That’s my goal here!!! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @Scoothie_Math
  • pearse_margie Mar 1 @ 9:28 PM EST
    Yes, and many of the workbooks publishing companies push on districts don't help with this. Usually there is just enough space available to write a number answer. #elemmathchat
    • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:24 PM EST
      Too often they have been trained to be Answer Getters rather than Problem Solvers! #elemmathchat
      In reply to @MarkChubb3
  • MNmMath - Moderator Mar 1 @ 9:28 PM EST
    I love that video! I have it on my school website! #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @DeeLeible, @robertkaplinsky
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:28 PM EST
    I created it from a 5th grade word problem. I was trying to get them to notice how I made the image to help them understand the problem. The kids noticed that the TOP was broken into fifths and the bottom into thirds...2/3 of the garden has NOT been weeded. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MarkChubb3, @Scoothie_Math
  • MarkChubb3 Mar 1 @ 9:28 PM EST
    This is a MAJOR issue! Let’s commit to changing this one day and one kid at a time! #elemmathchat
    • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:24 PM EST
      Too often they have been trained to be Answer Getters rather than Problem Solvers! #elemmathchat
      In reply to @MarkChubb3
  • lizbonn Mar 1 @ 9:29 PM EST
    A2 I think Ss would see that Craig scored more than half as many as Jessica but not as many. Some of mine right now would say 3/4 I think or about 75% bc that is language I heard today in our Grade 5 congress. #elemmathchat
  • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:29 PM EST
    One thing that was mentioned to me about this was that the voice it reads in is so monotone and computerized that it may not be as helpful to some kids to use it. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MissMath_Teach, @MNmMath, @themathgirl, @DDibley123
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:29 PM EST
    As long as they are SPED? Right? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MissMath_Teach, @MNmMath, @DDibley123
  • MathRocks73 Mar 1 @ 9:29 PM EST
    A3: Craig scored 30 goals in his career. This is 10 less than the number of goals Jessica scored in her career. How many goals did they score together? #elemmathchat
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:29 PM EST
    Awesome Alexa!!!! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MathRocks73
  • DDibley123 Mar 1 @ 9:29 PM EST
    I agree that having the problems read can be helpful but there might still be a comprehension issue. #elemmathchat Just like students who can "read" at a higher level than they can comprehend.
    In reply to @MissMath_Teach, @MNmMath, @themathgirl
  • MNmMath - Moderator Mar 1 @ 9:30 PM EST
    I would read to everyone! I know I read complicated problems out loud t myself! Why not model that too? #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @themathgirl, @MissMath_Teach, @DDibley123
  • MrBinfield Mar 1 @ 9:30 PM EST
    I wonder how far you could extend this with other p:p:w models? & stinhave Ss maintain sense? #ElemmathChat
    In reply to @themathgirl
  • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:30 PM EST
    As math leaders we need to keep spreading the word for sure! I know I am constantly reminding teachers of this. :) #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MarkChubb3
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:31 PM EST
    Q5: We are sharing different ways to help students connect to math stories! We've looked at Numberless Models and Word Problems, and now we are going to look at 2 different math stories! How are they connected? Are they the same? What MODELS might you draw? #elemmathchat
  • katrina_cade Mar 1 @ 9:31 PM EST
    We need to change this. It all depends on what the teacher values and what they emphasize with their students. #elemmathchat
    • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:24 PM EST
      Too often they have been trained to be Answer Getters rather than Problem Solvers! #elemmathchat
      In reply to @MarkChubb3
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:31 PM EST
    Well...Natalie is at it again!!! TOOOOO many questions in this chat! Know that we have a slideshow and folder connected to this...link at the end. #elemmathchat
  • MNmMath - Moderator Mar 1 @ 9:31 PM EST
    Yes, but when you add notice and wonder as a group the comprehension improves :) #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @DDibley123, @MissMath_Teach, @themathgirl
  • Kidsmathtalk Mar 1 @ 9:31 PM EST
    @pearse_margie are you a part of an @nctm affiliate? And/or going to either conference in DC in April? #elemMathchat
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:31 PM EST
    I do the same! When kids are reading...they figure it out! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MNmMath, @MissMath_Teach, @DDibley123
  • MathRocks73 Mar 1 @ 9:31 PM EST
    A3: together Craig and Jessica scored 70 goals. Craig scored 3/4 as many goals as Jessica. How many goals did Craig score? #elemmathchat
  • katrina_cade Mar 1 @ 9:32 PM EST
    I like this question. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MathRocks73
  • MissMath_Teach Mar 1 @ 9:32 PM EST
    “ Don’t be a number plucker” via @JohnSanGiovanni #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @MNmMath, @pearse_margie, @JohnSanGiovanni
  • MathRocks73 Mar 1 @ 9:32 PM EST
    You can join #elemmathchat now!
    In reply to @aopete1
  • MarkChubb3 Mar 1 @ 9:32 PM EST
    Not. Helpful. At. All. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @katrina_cade, @Scoothie_Math, @Kidsmathtalk
  • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:33 PM EST
    Ohhhh... I like this as well. These numberless models are so flexible and can be used in many ways! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @katrina_cade, @MathRocks73
  • katrina_cade Mar 1 @ 9:34 PM EST
    You are so right. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MarkChubb3, @Scoothie_Math, @Kidsmathtalk
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:34 PM EST
    Ok...here's what we had for 8:30...some of you might like the numberless example too from before! This is Q5 and Q4 in pink. #elemmathchat
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:35 PM EST
    #elemmathchat
    • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:34 PM EST
      Ok...here's what we had for 8:30...some of you might like the numberless example too from before! This is Q5 and Q4 in pink. #elemmathchat
  • jkgibson6 Mar 1 @ 9:35 PM EST
    I have found them very eye-opening for some Ts. Problem is...some Ts don't think they "have time" for them..,, #elemmathchat
    In reply to @Scoothie_Math, @katrina_cade, @MathRocks73
  • MrBinfield Mar 1 @ 9:35 PM EST
    A5 I would use relational rods. And model the repeated addition of the fractions. #ElemmathChat
  • lizbonn Mar 1 @ 9:35 PM EST
    A4 I think I would ask student A "Can you find if the problem tells you exactly how many shells Isaac has?" Maybe that would help them see that we know about the 60 shells and that his 60 is 23 MORE than Kira.....not count on from 60 #elemmathchat
  • miss_ginder Mar 1 @ 9:35 PM EST
    A4: It looks like S4 solved the problem correctly when using the number line, even wrote the answer in the correct spot on the line...just +3 to 40 rather than -3 when writing final answer. S3 was able to solve by carrying. #elemmathchat #IHMarchMadness
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:36 PM EST
    This is sooooooo true! I spent 40 min on two problems with 3rd graders! #elemmathchat But their understanding and excitement was contageous!
    In reply to @jkgibson6, @Scoothie_Math, @katrina_cade, @MathRocks73
  • MarieMcMB Mar 1 @ 9:36 PM EST
    A5: Both stories are connected because each story involves five two-thirds. I see the first story's model as an iteration and the second as partitioning. #elemmathchat
  • Kidsmathtalk Mar 1 @ 9:36 PM EST
    Yes. Hopefully someday soon we will connect in person! #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @pearse_margie, @NCTM
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:36 PM EST
    YES! I see that too! After drawing a model...do you think the same "equation" would be used for each model? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MarieMcMB
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:37 PM EST
    @Scoothie_Math and I want to help teachers MOVE ON! I'll take anything you do too!!! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MathRocks73, @Scoothie_Math
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:38 PM EST
    Q6: Look at the student work under the link! Choose a student to comment on! What do you notice about their work? What misconceptions might they have? #elemmathchat https://t.co/HSiv5FFG7H
  • MarieMcMB Mar 1 @ 9:38 PM EST
    YES! CUBES is not effective. Visualizing and thinking is. #elemmathchat
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:38 PM EST
    Anyone noticing the Q4 or Q5... #elemmathchat Q4 was more 3rd grade...Q5 is 5th grade!!!
  • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:38 PM EST
    This was done with a group of 3rd grade students that were new to using bar models. You can see that many of them reverted back to a procedure out of their comfort with it. It was fun to see their ideas of how to use the bars #elemmathchat
  • MarieMcMB Mar 1 @ 9:39 PM EST
    I do think the same equation could be used. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @themathgirl
  • pearse_margie Mar 1 @ 9:40 PM EST
    #elemmathchat I must get on my soap box! Please - Word Problems Are More than Magic on #CorwinConnect https://t.co/lr2BgVoMKt via @CorwinPress
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:40 PM EST
    Did you draw a picture? I tend to disagree...but mostly because my pictures show different actions! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MarieMcMB
  • MissMath_Teach Mar 1 @ 9:40 PM EST
    Or “the kids won’t get that” Problem solving should be just that; something to explore and work at #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @jkgibson6, @Scoothie_Math, @katrina_cade, @MathRocks73
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:40 PM EST
    #elemmathchat
  • anna_yakabe Mar 1 @ 9:41 PM EST
    A5 They can be visualized very similarly! #ElemMathChat
  • MRegan_Baxter Mar 1 @ 9:42 PM EST
    A5 I would have to draw a model for both word problems. Before drawing, my students may also have to work in out concretely with manipulatives. #elemmathchat #IHMarchMadness
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:42 PM EST
    LOVE YOUR WORK! Tell me more about your yellow problem...read the story again! I tend to think you went through the act of combining 4 groups of 2/3...not technically 2/3 of 4...guess it depends on what your mind was thinking. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @anna_yakabe
  • katrina_cade Mar 1 @ 9:42 PM EST
    Reread the first problem. There are actually 5 people. "You and your four friends" This is a common mistake that our students make. Comprehension is definitely a challenge. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @anna_yakabe
  • laconradedu Mar 1 @ 9:42 PM EST
    No more circling/underlining “key words”. Replaced with actual understanding of the problem! #elemmathchat https://t.co/5qYu57e6MY
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:43 PM EST
    I did this today with 5th graders...everyone caught it except for 2 kids I believe. Interesting. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @katrina_cade, @anna_yakabe
  • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:43 PM EST
    Yet, one is about 5 separate groups of 2/3 and the other is about 5 as a WHOLE and only taking 2/3 of that whole. Those are technically two different equations. 5 x 2/3 for the yellow and 2/3 x 5 for the green. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @anna_yakabe
  • CoachLaurenJ Mar 1 @ 9:43 PM EST
    A6 Student A has 5 of the 2/3s. It took me a min to get over the drawing of 4 wholes... #ElemMathChat
  • Joannbarnett Mar 1 @ 9:43 PM EST
    A5 What I love about these two problems is that they create the perfect argument to claim that 5 x 2/3 is not the same as 2/3 × 5. These two problems are the same only if you consider the numbers used in the calculations and the final numerical answer ( no labels) #elemmathchat
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:43 PM EST
    Tell me more about what you mean! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @CoachLaurenJ
  • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:43 PM EST
    I do agree that the visual are similar... but we want to make sure students can make sense of how they model it to match what is happening. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @anna_yakabe
  • MarkChubb3 Mar 1 @ 9:44 PM EST
    I honestly believe FAR too much time is spent making sure kids are successful AT school instead of using school to make sure kids are learning to think! CUBES is aimed at getting an answer. But I want Ss to learn to think mathematically! Very different goals! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MarieMcMB
  • katrina_cade Mar 1 @ 9:44 PM EST
    I often give students problems similar to this. They are learning to be more careful while reading the problem. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @themathgirl, @anna_yakabe
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:44 PM EST
    Joann... I did this with 5th graders today...there are PDF's in our link folder of Yellow and Green work. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @Joannbarnett
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:44 PM EST
    That's exactly what I was thinking. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @katrina_cade, @anna_yakabe
  • MNmMath - Moderator Mar 1 @ 9:45 PM EST
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  • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:45 PM EST
    YAY!!!! Yes, building a concrete model would be important before they are ready to start going straight to models. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MRegan_Baxter
  • DDibley123 Mar 1 @ 9:45 PM EST
    or even act it out #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MRegan_Baxter
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:45 PM EST
    This is a tough problem...there is one professor I know that does such a good job of modeling and then writing an equation... #elemmathchat
    In reply to @Scoothie_Math, @anna_yakabe
  • katrina_cade Mar 1 @ 9:45 PM EST
    Absolutely. #elemmathchat
    • anna_yakabe Mar 1 @ 9:45 PM EST
      If a teacher can make this mistake, we need to be mindful of how to guide Ss!
      In reply to @katrina_cade
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:46 PM EST
    All these problems...your head is probably spinning! Let's collaborate again! Q7: What do you notice and wonder about the visual image? #elemmathchat @Scoothie_Math
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:46 PM EST
    YES...what manipulatives would you use??? Interested more about this? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MRegan_Baxter
  • katrina_cade Mar 1 @ 9:46 PM EST
    AMEN!!!! #elemmathchat
    • MarkChubb3 Mar 1 @ 9:44 PM EST
      I honestly believe FAR too much time is spent making sure kids are successful AT school instead of using school to make sure kids are learning to think! CUBES is aimed at getting an answer. But I want Ss to learn to think mathematically! Very different goals! #elemmathchat
      In reply to @MarieMcMB
  • MarieMcMB Mar 1 @ 9:46 PM EST
    I think that many of us have moved away from defining success as good grades. When you have loftier goals for kids, correct answers just aren't enough anymore! #elemmathchat
    • MarkChubb3 Mar 1 @ 9:44 PM EST
      I honestly believe FAR too much time is spent making sure kids are successful AT school instead of using school to make sure kids are learning to think! CUBES is aimed at getting an answer. But I want Ss to learn to think mathematically! Very different goals! #elemmathchat
      In reply to @MarieMcMB
  • pearse_margie Mar 1 @ 9:46 PM EST
    Amen!! #elemmathchat
    • MarkChubb3 Mar 1 @ 9:44 PM EST
      I honestly believe FAR too much time is spent making sure kids are successful AT school instead of using school to make sure kids are learning to think! CUBES is aimed at getting an answer. But I want Ss to learn to think mathematically! Very different goals! #elemmathchat
      In reply to @MarieMcMB
  • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:46 PM EST
    Check out this visual from NCTM! #elemmathchat
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:47 PM EST
    #elemmathchat Q7 @Scoothie_Math and I got this out of the 3-5 book called Taking Action by NCTM.
  • miss_ginder Mar 1 @ 9:47 PM EST
    A5: they both include the two numbers, 5 and 2/3....I truly don’t know if they can be solved the same way 🤦🏽‍♀️ no matter how many times/how slow I read them...😂 #elemmathchat #IHMarchMadness
    • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:31 PM EST
      Q5: We are sharing different ways to help students connect to math stories! We've looked at Numberless Models and Word Problems, and now we are going to look at 2 different math stories! How are they connected? Are they the same? What MODELS might you draw? #elemmathchat
  • anna_yakabe Mar 1 @ 9:47 PM EST
    I was looking at the problem as a third grade teacher and the difficulty for me was to solve without teaching into fractional equivalence #elemmathchat
    In reply to @Scoothie_Math
  • MNmMath - Moderator Mar 1 @ 9:47 PM EST
    A6 I notice al green Ss created 5 groups divided into 3 parts each - Only 1 seems to know to divide the 15 parts into 3 equal parts. I might ask others why they chose to divide the 5 parts into 3s and how those connect to the whole. #ElemMathChat
  • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:48 PM EST
    I love that you were still willing to draw those out and share your thoughts! That is what I love about collaborating and sharing with all the amazing teachers on this chat! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @anna_yakabe
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:49 PM EST
    I do toooooooo! I love that you drew it! I know it takes time! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @Scoothie_Math, @anna_yakabe
  • MNmMath - Moderator Mar 1 @ 9:49 PM EST
    It is hard for me to look at student work without first doing the problems in multiple ways myself. I need to process different ways so I can see when Ss do as well #ElemMathChat
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:49 PM EST
    Just having done this with 5th graders today I need to take time and study their thinking! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MNmMath
  • lizbonn Mar 1 @ 9:49 PM EST
    A5 I personally gravitate towards an area model pretty quickly. Here's how I solved the yellow question #elemmathchat
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:50 PM EST
    What about you? Do you get any ice cream??? One student drew their model like you? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @lizbonn
  • anna_yakabe Mar 1 @ 9:50 PM EST
    What would have been the best way to model the green problem? Could I introduce the concept to my 3rd grade Ss? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @themathgirl, @Scoothie_Math
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:51 PM EST
    This is a 5th grade problem...so you are doing well! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @anna_yakabe, @Scoothie_Math
  • katrina_cade Mar 1 @ 9:51 PM EST
    Yes, it is important to think about the different ways students might solve the problem. And also think about misconceptions they may have while solving it too. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MNmMath
  • miss_ginder Mar 1 @ 9:51 PM EST
    A6: green student A drew a neat picture and I was able to see their thinking and felt like I could explain why they drew what they did. #elemmathchat #IHMarchMadness
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:51 PM EST
    I will DRAW YOU SOME MODELS and send them your way later! #elemmathchat You can also look at the student work in the folder. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @miss_ginder
  • MNmMath - Moderator Mar 1 @ 9:51 PM EST
    A7 in my class we talk about the foundations in math We know that all math builds on a solid foundation and that it is all connected. So too with representations. We like to compare, contrast and connect. #ElemMathChat
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:52 PM EST
    Q8: Last problem of the night! We are going to use the structure of "one step at a time" The problem is "cut up"into slides but NOT numberless. This is intended to help the students slow down and make sense as they go! See the slides as they come! #elemmathchat
  • miss_ginder Mar 1 @ 9:52 PM EST
    A7: too many arrows!!! That’s overwhelming for me. Would love to hear someone explain the visual #elemmathchat #IHMarchMadness
  • MissMath_Teach Mar 1 @ 9:52 PM EST
    I had to explain to a Ss today that I am much more interested in what she is learning than what grades she is getting. She was shocked #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MarieMcMB
  • EduGladiators Mar 1 @ 9:53 PM EST
    💥SATURDAY💥#EduGladiators starts a {NEW} Series for March: Momentum! Join leading the convo on leveraging momentum to move forward! #atplc #425chat #CoachApproach #ElemMathChat #rethinkELA #sstlap #steminstitute #waledchat #EduAR #teachmindful #K12ArtChat #teachnvchat #tcea
  • MNmMath - Moderator Mar 1 @ 9:53 PM EST
    Where is the exponential love button? YES an infinity times! #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @MarkChubb3, @MarieMcMB
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:53 PM EST
    #elemmathchat
    • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:53 PM EST
      Q7 is a good one! Let's close down this chat with this question! I have one more awesome problem...i'll post in a few minutes!
  • MarkChubb3 Mar 1 @ 9:53 PM EST
    Meaning, you are having trouble knowing what to teach? Or that you might have kids answering the problem doing later grade’s thinking?? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @anna_yakabe, @Scoothie_Math
  • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:53 PM EST
    Great question! So it shows that students should be able to start at any point on the outside and move to a different representation in any other direction. They could start with a visual like the bar models and create a contextual situation. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @miss_ginder
  • katrina_cade Mar 1 @ 9:53 PM EST
    Basically just saying that all types of representations are connected to each other. We must allow students to represent problems in all ways to help them better understand concepts. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @miss_ginder
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:54 PM EST
    Ok...so when problem solving students need to be able to see a visual and write a story! See a story and write an equation! See an equation and draw a picture! Etc...They are all connected!!! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @miss_ginder
  • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:54 PM EST
    Yes! We need to represent in a variety of ways and move in different directions between those models. I know I used to always give students the contextual and move them either to visual picture or an abstract symbolic equation. Now I try to mix up my starting point. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @katrina_cade, @miss_ginder
  • katrina_cade Mar 1 @ 9:55 PM EST
    Yes I think it should count for something. #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MathRocks73, @anna_yakabe
  • MNmMath - Moderator Mar 1 @ 9:55 PM EST
    Please join #Elemmathchat at 8pm cst on 3/8/18 when the amazing @MissMath_Teach leads our chat #MTBoS @MCTM_MO #MCTM #MOMath #ITeachMath
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:55 PM EST
    I'm so glad you came tonight!! Where are you??? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @miss_ginder
  • pearse_margie Mar 1 @ 9:55 PM EST
    Laptop dying.Dang Always love me some #elemmathchat You rocked it @themathgirl Love learning with you all. Have a great week!
  • MRegan_Baxter Mar 1 @ 9:55 PM EST
    A7 It is all connected and intertwines with each other. Can't have one without the others #elemmathchat #IHMarchMadness
  • anna_yakabe Mar 1 @ 9:56 PM EST
    If S can solve using equivalence knowledge, they could look for 10/15 in the model. But if they don’t know that concept, how could I introduce that in a 3rd grade friendly way? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MarkChubb3, @Scoothie_Math
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:57 PM EST
    As we are closing down!!!! There is a great 4th grade multiplicative comparison problem in our slideshow! It's set up in separate slides so that students see a little at a time! Slides 18-23 #elemmathchat
  • Scoothie_Math Mar 1 @ 9:57 PM EST
    And do our kids see the connection between the model they drew and the equation they wrote to represent that model? Does my equation really represent the contextual? Or does my model really match the context? We need to make sure those connections are made. #elemmathchat.
    In reply to @MRegan_Baxter
  • MarkChubb3 Mar 1 @ 9:57 PM EST
    Let’s remember, a major goal of problem solving is to have Ss learn WITH and FROM each other. This requires representations so we can compare and contrast ideas to gain a relational understanding. #ElemMathChat
  • MNmMath - Moderator Mar 1 @ 9:57 PM EST
    In my class we talk about number relationships. What relationship do 3 and 5 have (both prime) Have to x to create relationship so 15 is a relationship how can you divide 15 into 3 equal parts? I drew line divided into 5s then those into 3s then 15 into 3s Helpful? #ElemMathChat
    In reply to @anna_yakabe, @themathgirl, @Scoothie_Math
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:58 PM EST
    #elemmathchat
    • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:57 PM EST
      Thank you Margie!!!!!! Amanda and I do our first chat on Tuesday night with teachers in Missouri!!!! @Scoothie_Math
      In reply to @pearse_margie, @Scoothie_Math
  • howie_hua Mar 1 @ 9:58 PM EST
    I wonder if one connection is easier than another. Should we hit this for every problem? #elemmathchat
    • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:53 PM EST
      Q7 is a good one! Let's close down this chat with this question! I have one more awesome problem...i'll post in a few minutes!
  • themathgirl Mar 1 @ 9:59 PM EST
    I think if you wrote the problems with whole numbers...maybe ?? It's like saying...hmmm...I'm going to have to process that... I think the yellow/green is too hard for 3rd ??? #elemmathchat
    In reply to @anna_yakabe, @Scoothie_Math
  • anna_yakabe Mar 1 @ 9:59 PM EST
    Yes, very! Thank you! #elemmathchat
    In reply to @MNmMath, @themathgirl, @Scoothie_Math
  • katrina_cade Mar 1 @ 9:59 PM EST
    Another great #elemmathchat. See everyone next week.