#musedchat Archive

Each Monday evening at 8PM EST, music teachers get together and share ideas about important topics within music education. It’s a great chance to interact directly with educators from all over the world and to get new tips and tricks to help you succeed in the classroom. The entire #musedchat discussion is organized and moderated by Joe Guarr.

Monday March 12, 2018
8:00 PM EDT

  • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:00 PM EDT
    It's #musedchat time! Our topic tonight: Going in-depth with fundamentals. Be sure to introduce yourself. #musiced
  • AndreaMakarchuk Mar 12 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Andrea. 6-12 band. Alberta, Canada #musedchat
  • MusicTechTchr Mar 12 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    Seeking writers: do you have a music tech lesson that you’d like to share with other music teachers? #musedchat https://t.co/C7hkyBpNSR
  • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    Good to see you Andrea, how are you tonight? #musedchat
    In reply to @AndreaMakarchuk
  • jarvelamused Mar 12 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    Hi, it's Adam from NJ. PreK-6 music and then some. #musedchat
  • MsSteklac Mar 12 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Katy, Middle School Band in Michigan. Popping in and out tonight as I work on some exercises for my 8th grade band! #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    How are you tonight, Adam? #musedchat
    In reply to @jarvelamused
  • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Sounds like fun! #musedchat
    In reply to @MsSteklac
  • chip122772 Mar 12 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Good evening #musedchat 6-12 band and choir, retired. Southeast Michigan.
  • heathersirney Mar 12 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    #musedchat Hi All. Heather from NE Ohio. 9-12 band
  • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    Hi Chip, welcome. How are you tonight? #musedchat
    In reply to @chip122772
  • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    Great to see you Heather, welcome. #musedchat
    In reply to @heathersirney
  • jarvelamused Mar 12 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    good! the baby came early so I’ve missed the past couple chats, things have calmed down enough to make it back! here’s the little squirt: #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    Ahh! Congratulations! #musedchat
    In reply to @jarvelamused
  • smanhart4 Mar 12 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    Hi! Shawna, MS Band in Port Huron! #musedchat
  • bfar429 Mar 12 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    Brad. MS and HS band and theory teacher from suburban Detroit #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    Good to see you again Shawna, how are you? #musedchat
    In reply to @smanhart4
  • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    How are you tonight, Brad? #musedchat
    In reply to @bfar429
  • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    Q1 on the way #musedchat
  • SamuelFritz Mar 12 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    Hi all Sam Fritz from Greenwood IN 6-8 Band #MusEdChat
  • MrBMusicTeacher Mar 12 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    It's been a while but Antoine Buttigieg here from Woodbridge Ontario Canada HS instrumental music teacher MB and drumline director of the @FrBressaniBands #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    Good to see you Sam, glad you could join us. #musedchat
    In reply to @SamuelFritz
  • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    Good to see you as always Antoine, welcome. #musedchat
    In reply to @MrBMusicTeacher, @FrBressaniBands
  • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    Q1: What do fundamentals/warmups look like in your classroom? #musedchat
  • bfar429 Mar 12 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    Breathing, long tones, lip slurs, scales and rhythm studies. We use the Foundations if Superior Perfromance book routinely #musedchat
  • SamuelFritz Mar 12 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    A1: can I just say I love this topic?!? Daily long tones I try to teach almost every skill on one note - never done. It’s the wind equivalent of 8 on a hand #musedchat
  • AndreaMakarchuk Mar 12 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    A1: scales, rhythm reading, chorales #musedchat
  • jarvelamused Mar 12 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    A1: pretty much the same answer for me. #musedchat
    • bfar429 Mar 12 @ 8:12 PM EDT
      Breathing, long tones, lip slurs, scales and rhythm studies. We use the Foundations if Superior Perfromance book routinely #musedchat
  • MsSteklac Mar 12 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    A1: A combination of long tones, lip slurs, scale work, chorales, and rhythm work. I don't use a book right now, but I would like to shift to that for next year. #musedchat
  • MrBMusicTeacher Mar 12 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    A1 long tones, 7 note Chromatic Scale runs, a chorale where we also sing it as well as play it and a specific key study/etude #musedchat
  • SamuelFritz Mar 12 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    Essential musicianship is my “go to book” for fundamentals #musedchat
    • bfar429 Mar 12 @ 8:12 PM EDT
      Breathing, long tones, lip slurs, scales and rhythm studies. We use the Foundations if Superior Perfromance book routinely #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    A1 Remingtons, Chorales (36 Chorales by Aaron M. Cole - FREE!), scale/articulation work, singing (but not enough as I'd like) #musedchat
  • MikeAlbarracin Mar 12 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    Mike Albarracin, 7/8 band from Marshalltown, IA. #MusEdChat
  • LindsayBrazell Mar 12 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    Jumping in a little late! #musedchat
  • AndreaMakarchuk Mar 12 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    I also use standard of excellence with middle school and I Recommend with HS #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    Didn't start doing the chorales religiously until two years ago - holy crap what a difference in sound quality. #musedchat
  • smanhart4 Mar 12 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    A1 Nothing fancy. 8th & 7th 4-5 scales, 3 groups (chorale-based), with 6th, tone builders/chorales. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    Welcome to the chat, Mike! #musedchat
    In reply to @MikeAlbarracin
  • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    Glad you could join us! #musedchat
    In reply to @LindsayBrazell
  • traviszinnel Mar 12 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    A1: warm ups are exercises to prepare for the repertoire. We also aight sing everyday. The proof is in the pudding. #musedchat
  • AndreaMakarchuk Mar 12 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    Free??!!! #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    https://t.co/gSiwlqXYy6 #musedchat
    In reply to @AndreaMakarchuk
  • heathersirney Mar 12 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    A1: colleague & I use a mix that includes Foundations of Superior Performance, Balmages Warmup Fundamentals, free chorales we found online, rhythm studies. We vary on those throughout the week. Perc is separated out into another room for 5 Minute Warmup Drills w/scales #musedchat
  • LindsayBrazell Mar 12 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    A1: Fundamentals for me are mostly literacy-based: solfege, rhythm exercises, and then vocal tone warmups. #musedchat
  • MikeAlbarracin Mar 12 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    A1: Everyday we start with long tones, articulation study, and scale drills. Then transition to sightreading using sightreading factory #MusEdChat
  • heathersirney Mar 12 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    I really love that Foundations for Superior Performance book! #musedchat
  • LindsayBrazell Mar 12 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    Same! I may or may not be in the grocery store.....but I can multitask.. #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    Q2: A quick one...what DOK level would you say your typical fundamentals/warmup session is typically at? https://t.co/UZJEnHDAHk #musedchat
  • traviszinnel Mar 12 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    Travis From the cedar valley in Iowa. Middle school vocal music and district choir coordinator. #musedchat
  • jarvelamused Mar 12 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    A2: with how much everyone emphasizes DOK, I'm a bit embarrassed to say it's level one. :/ #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • bfar429 Mar 12 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    A2: probably 1 or 2. I’m very bad with getting stuck in a routine or just going through the excercises. Need to teach more explicit fundamental skills #musedchat
  • MsSteklac Mar 12 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    A2--I think it depends on the exercise. At some points, asking kids to listen forces them to analyze and critique their sound, but other exercises are at level 1. #musedchat
  • MikeAlbarracin Mar 12 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    A2: Part 1 is level 1. It's fairly basic. The sightreading portion extends to levels 2-4 depending on what I am introducing and grouping the rhythms with #MusEdChat
  • heathersirney Mar 12 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    A2: warmups are DOK 1 & 2 #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    A2: Lots of 1 and 2. #musedchat
  • traviszinnel Mar 12 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    A2: typical DoK tends to be 1 or 2. But my students with their sight singing knowledge have begun to compose their own examples for themselves and class. #musedchat
  • Dustin_Goes Mar 12 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    A1: I have used the Foundation book but also love the Artistry in Fundamentals books. Use a lot of warm ups to get into the repertoire we’re working on (sometimes a combination of scale stuff, rhythms, articulations, etc.) #musedchat
  • smanhart4 Mar 12 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    A23 Mostly DOK 1 for routine warm-ups. #musedchat
  • MikeAlbarracin Mar 12 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    I wouldn't be embarrassed by that necessarily. I think there is space in having a low level task to prepare the students for more engaging work. #musedchat
    In reply to @jarvelamused, @jguarr
  • Dustin_Goes Mar 12 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    A2: Certainly DOK 1 or 2. Looking at the chart, I think most of us could move out fundamental warm ups into at least DOK 3! #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    And honestly, there are lots of DOK lvl 1 skills that are hugely important. IDing key sigs, rhythm patterns, recalling fingerings/slide positions, etc. #musedchat
    In reply to @MikeAlbarracin, @jarvelamused
  • traviszinnel Mar 12 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    I would also suggest that that initially the warm up would be more challenging. Perhaps 3. But, think about how necessary that autopilot skill is necessary for runs etc in rep later. #musedchat
    In reply to @MikeAlbarracin, @jarvelamused, @jguarr
  • MrBMusicTeacher Mar 12 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    A2 if you include a small sight reading excerpt from your pedagogical book ie Essential Elements you could break into level 3 no? #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    Q3: What might a DOK lvl 3 or 4 fundamental exercise look like? #musedchat
  • SamuelFritz Mar 12 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    If you make sure your repertoire connects to your fundamentals then you can hit all 4 in one well-crafted lesson #musedchat
    • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:28 PM EDT
      And honestly, there are lots of DOK lvl 1 skills that are hugely important. IDing key sigs, rhythm patterns, recalling fingerings/slide positions, etc. #musedchat
      In reply to @MikeAlbarracin, @jarvelamused
  • traviszinnel Mar 12 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    Q3: student creation. We’re looking at creating a CFA with composing warm ups. #musedchat
  • SamuelFritz Mar 12 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    A3: here is a new piece play the scale based on the key and prove your answer. What are the 5 main rhythmic components of this piece / write them - play them #MusEdChat
  • Dustin_Goes Mar 12 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    A3: composer’s intent can fall into DOK #3 as you relate it to the affective response/meaning. Any sort of composition based project can be DOK #4. I have students make chorales using just scale degrees and it’s great for them to “compose.” #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    Q3: Any fundamentals focused on a more abstract concept, like balance or phrasing. Questions like what did you hear? What can we do differently to fix? #musedchat
  • SamuelFritz Mar 12 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    A3:1 negotiate your breathing spots with your neighbor so no one breathes after a long note or on a bar line between measures 9 and 22. Practice it teach it to the class. #MusEdChat
  • heathersirney Mar 12 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    A3: Student composed warmups. I would be interested in moving into levels 3 & 4 with fundamentals because even with all the "stuff" we have, students still complain that warmups are boring. #musedchat
  • SamuelFritz Mar 12 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    If you were me, how would you fix that style issue? #musedchat
    • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:35 PM EDT
      Q3: Any fundamentals focused on a more abstract concept, like balance or phrasing. Questions like what did you hear? What can we do differently to fix? #musedchat
  • MikeAlbarracin Mar 12 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    A3: I ask questions about the composer's intent or character of a phrase. If you had something important to say with sound, how would you say it? How can you communicate w/o words? #MusEdChat
  • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    Where should we breathe in this chorale and why there? #musedchat
    • SamuelFritz Mar 12 @ 8:39 PM EDT
      If you were me, how would you fix that style issue? #musedchat
      • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:35 PM EDT
        Q3: Any fundamentals focused on a more abstract concept, like balance or phrasing. Questions like what did you hear? What can we do differently to fix? #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    Went to a conference session in January about working more musicality into fundamentals. Long tones were done with a metronome so students learned to feel pulse on whole notes and longer. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    The presenters also spoke at length about the importance of connecting warmups to the repertoire, as @SamuelFritz has mentioned #musedchat
  • smanhart4 Mar 12 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    A3 For DOK 3/4, I like to record my Ss playing, whether it be warm-ups or a performance piece. Even multiple recordings of same bit. We listen to it & they provide the feedback/critique & ideas for moving forward, w/a little guidance. #musedchat
  • SamuelFritz Mar 12 @ 8:43 PM EDT
    Try using an old-school met so they have to watch for the pulse too. #musedchat
    • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:42 PM EDT
      Went to a conference session in January about working more musicality into fundamentals. Long tones were done with a metronome so students learned to feel pulse on whole notes and longer. #musedchat
  • Martino_s_music Mar 12 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    Hi everyone. Denise from CT. Elementary band, choir, and general music. Sorry I'm popping in late. Love tonight's topic. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    Q4: For traditionally rote/repetitive warmup exercises like scales, work w/ a tuner, etc., how could we dip into DOK 3 and 4? #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    Welcome to the chat, Denise! #musedchat
    In reply to @Martino_s_music
  • AmyLynnRever Mar 12 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    Hi All! Amy from MI. Late...again. Sick kiddo and sub plans took over. I was excited for this chat too! Trying to catch up now! #musedchat
  • AmyLynnRever Mar 12 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    I like the idea of the pulse on long tones. Releases are always a struggle, especially w/ younger students. #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • Muzzikkatt Mar 12 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    Kathy here late from dinner. K8 gen mus and band. Looking fwd to tonight’s topic. #musedchat
  • Martino_s_music Mar 12 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    A1: General & choral: stretches, tongue twisters, lip trills. Scales w/ choral, too. Band: scales - watching the conductor for tempo changes, rhythm patterns. #musedchat
  • MikeAlbarracin Mar 12 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    I can empathize. Mentally connecting scales takes longer to learn than physically playing them. However, we still teach technique for the purpose of having access to the literature. #musedchat
    In reply to @RHansen4thGrade
  • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    Glad you could make it, hope you're doing well this week #musedchat
    In reply to @AmyLynnRever
  • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    Glad you could join us Kathy #musedchat
    In reply to @Muzzikkatt
  • LindsayBrazell Mar 12 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    I swear by solfege! It’s a superpower! #musedchat
    In reply to @traviszinnel
  • traviszinnel Mar 12 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    This could be a way for Ss to begin thinking about the “how” it works. Also, I know of a band director that during tuning, he has one student play a rhythm on the tuning pitch. Ensemble has the listen to make adjustments. Perhaps apply rhythmic devices in the rep. #musedchat
    • jguarr - Moderator Mar 12 @ 8:46 PM EDT
      Q4: For traditionally rote/repetitive warmup exercises like scales, work w/ a tuner, etc., how could we dip into DOK 3 and 4? #musedchat
  • AmyLynnRever Mar 12 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    I'm good! Kiddo needs to kick this upper resp infection though. 😷 #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • SamuelFritz Mar 12 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    A4: we talk a ton about how air is effected by dynamics. Discuss why you tend to change tuning when crescendo / decrescendo and how you need to manage your breath accordingly #musedchat
  • AmyLynnRever Mar 12 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    I have no doubts as to its value, but solfege gives me college nightmares. Suggestions on how to introduce it that won't cause me to break into a cold sweat? #musedchat
    In reply to @LindsayBrazell, @traviszinnel
  • MikeAlbarracin Mar 12 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    A4: Make changes to how the notes are performed. If it's a chorale, play it in a march style, jazz style, etc. Find new ways to express how the same notes can be played #MusEdChat
  • SamuelFritz Mar 12 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    A4:1 many times we talk in philosophical terms but what do you physically have to do to accomplish a great accent, fast tongue, fast fingers, beautiful line etc.?#musedchat
  • smanhart4 Mar 12 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    A4 Just brainstorming on this one, but for tuner work, maybe have students consider how much they could swing the pitch in regards to embouchure &/or breath support & then let them test their ideas, then discuss the reality of working intonation across the ensemble? #musedchat
  • traviszinnel Mar 12 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    I make a game out of it! Also one method is available via @SmartMusic which is fun! Students have stressballs they throw into buckets. The buckets have certain benefits. Mixes up the monotony. #musedchat
    In reply to @AmyLynnRever, @LindsayBrazell, @SmartMusic
  • EduGladiators Mar 12 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    SATURDAY #EduGladiators keeps the momentum going focused on the NEXT generation of warriors - Student Teachers w/ @STLinOK leading! #4thchat #cdnedchat #edtechchat #flipclass #LearnLap #MASSPchat #P12Leaders #shiftinedu #wyoedchat #stuvoice #musedchat #edchatme
  • SamuelFritz Mar 12 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    Had a colleague tell my band the other day that the ink is the composer, the space between the note written is the music and all you! #musedchat
  • AmyLynnRever Mar 12 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    A1: Scales with #garageband back beat. Chorales. Trying to do better at incorporating more full band long tones as a part of our warm ups. #musedchat
  • LindsayBrazell Mar 12 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    I would just do short 4 measure passages, stepwise, to introduce it. Sing scales on solfege, major, thirds, etc. Once they see it as a tool to figure out HOW to find their pitches it will be less of a nightmare. #musedchat
    In reply to @AmyLynnRever, @traviszinnel
  • heathersirney Mar 12 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    A4: Playing scales in the style of the piece, finding rhythms from the piece to play in scale format. #musedchat
  • Martino_s_music Mar 12 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    I've made them a-matter-of-fact part of warmups. I've told kids that basically all professional singer do them, which helps. Just like what I call the "snake" warm up where you raise your arms up while inhaling & lowering arms w/ exhaling ssss. #musedchat
    In reply to @Dustin_Goes