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MrsMurat Feb 17 @ 8:00 PM EST

We Googled ourselves in Digcit! Here are our 1st blog posts! Comment if you have time.TY https://t.co/WNh7WgrpcD #suptchat #atchat #avidchat

MrsMurat Feb 17 @ 8:00 PM EST

Would love to hear your thoughts. https://t.co/hiFDLtNjXY #suptchat #atchat #avidchat #csk8 #fledchat #gwinchat #ldcchat #miched #ncadmin

KarenJan - Moderator Feb 17 @ 8:00 PM EST

We will be discussing all things #AAC and it should be a lively discussion! #ATchat #slpeeps

KarenJan - Moderator Feb 17 @ 8:00 PM EST

Welcome to #atchat! So looking forward to tonight's chat with @attipscast co-moderating.

KarenJan - Moderator Feb 17 @ 8:01 PM EST

Please Introduce yourself and tell us where you are from. #atchat

EGraniero Feb 17 @ 8:02 PM EST

Emily Graniero Current AT Grad student at Simmons College from CT #atchat

KarenJan - Moderator Feb 17 @ 8:02 PM EST

I'm Karen working as an AT consultant in the greater Boston area and adjunct in the AT grad program at Simmons. #ATchat

wernedat Feb 17 @ 8:02 PM EST

@KarenJan Elisa, from Gainesville, FL - AT and OT. #atchat

pythonroom Feb 17 @ 8:02 PM EST

Pythonroom checking in - an ed-tech platform to introduce programming in schools from Saratoga, CA #atchat

MaryannFuduric Feb 17 @ 8:02 PM EST

Mary-Ann from Windsor, Ontario. Looking forward to chat - hoping to learn more. #ATChat

KarenJan - Moderator Feb 17 @ 8:02 PM EST

@EGraniero @wernedat Welcome - Great to have you join us tonight! #ATchat

KarenJan - Moderator Feb 17 @ 8:03 PM EST

Our first question is coming right up. #ATchat

KarenJan - Moderator Feb 17 @ 8:03 PM EST

We will use the Q1, A1 format today. Don’t forget to include the #atchat hashtag.

krista_bolen Feb 17 @ 8:03 PM EST

Krista from #Nashville #atchat

darlaashton Feb 17 @ 8:03 PM EST

Darla from Indiana #ATChat

KarenJan - Moderator Feb 17 @ 8:04 PM EST

@MaryannFuduric @krista_bolen @darlaashton @bcdtech Looking forward to your thoughts tonight! #ATchat @attipscast

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:04 PM EST

I'm here from northern Virginia! #ATChat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:04 PM EST

Q1: Presume Competence is a phrase we hear quite often w/ regard to #PWD, but what does it really mean w/ regard to a user of AAC? #ATchat

AACreATively Feb 17 @ 8:04 PM EST

Lauren from DC #atchat

atslp_jan Feb 17 @ 8:04 PM EST

Janet Kennedy AT Specialist/SLP from Chicago area #ATchat

WISCOMACO Feb 17 @ 8:04 PM EST

Amy here from Milwaukee #ATchat

MaegeK Feb 17 @ 8:04 PM EST

Maegan from CT #atchat

KarenJan - Moderator Feb 17 @ 8:04 PM EST

@attipscast Hey Chris. So glad to see you tonight! Thanks for moderating this discussion about all things #AAC #augcomm #ATchat

darlaashton Feb 17 @ 8:05 PM EST

A1: don't assume they can't handle lots of vocabulary. They can. Open it up. Free the words. #ATChat

azspeechguy Feb 17 @ 8:05 PM EST

Jeremy in Arizona #ATchat

KarenJan - Moderator Feb 17 @ 8:05 PM EST

@AACreATively @atslp_jan @WISCOMACO @MaegeK @azspeechguy Welcome! to all of you! #ATchat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:05 PM EST

@KarenJan happy to be there! thanks for asking me! This is a topic I'm pretty passionate about! #ATChat

green_sandyl Feb 17 @ 8:05 PM EST

This is my 1st Twitter chat #ATChat

AACreATively Feb 17 @ 8:06 PM EST

Give them a chance to talk! Try high tech first and give them access to a robust language system!! #atchat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:06 PM EST

@green_sandyl Welcome! #ATChat

KarenJan - Moderator Feb 17 @ 8:06 PM EST

Who are the #ATchat newbies here tonight?

bcdtech Feb 17 @ 8:06 PM EST

A1: New to #augcomm, but have seen some Ts assume lower cog ability w/non verbal Ss #ATChat

VickiBostonSLP Feb 17 @ 8:06 PM EST

Vicki, clinical professor at University of Memphis & trying to get #augcomm more present in our clinic #ATChat

wernedat Feb 17 @ 8:07 PM EST

@attipscast A1: I think we need to go into an eval/working with ANY student even severe disabilities has potential to use AAC. #ATChat

green_sandyl Feb 17 @ 8:07 PM EST

I'm a newbie. From St. Charles IL #ATChat

atslp_jan Feb 17 @ 8:07 PM EST

A1 don't underestimate need for robust vocabulary #ATchat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:07 PM EST

A1: To me, presume competence means that we expect people can & will learn language if we teach it to them. #ATChat

KarenJan - Moderator Feb 17 @ 8:08 PM EST

A1 - Presume competence - we preach it but how often do we run against educators who underestimate Ss capabilities? #ATchat

inov8ed Feb 17 @ 8:08 PM EST

Hi! Andrea from Montreal. Teacher & consultant #ATChat

KarenJan - Moderator Feb 17 @ 8:08 PM EST

@green_sandyl Welcome, Sandy! We love newbies and are so glad you are joining us tonight. #ATchat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:08 PM EST

A1: It means we shoot for SNUG - Spontaneous Novel Utterance Generation - https://t.co/1VEgfYoJNY #ATChat #MuchoImportante

KarenJan - Moderator Feb 17 @ 8:09 PM EST

@inov8ed Welcome to #ATchat. Great to have you here.

AACreATively Feb 17 @ 8:09 PM EST

A1 I don't think we teach the concept in all higher ed programs #atchat

WISCOMACO Feb 17 @ 8:09 PM EST

A1: I think to presume competence with AAC you would presume that the person WANTS to communicate #atchat

green_sandyl Feb 17 @ 8:09 PM EST

A1.Presumed competence- we don't know what a student can do until we provide opportunities for them to try #ATChat

KarenJan - Moderator Feb 17 @ 8:09 PM EST

@attipscast That's a new one for me. Did you make it up ? #ATchat https://t.co/mw26UMaEtA

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:08 PM EST

A1: It means we shoot for SNUG - Spontaneous Novel Utterance Generation - https://t.co/1VEgfYoJNY #ATChat #MuchoImportante

VickiBostonSLP Feb 17 @ 8:10 PM EST

A1: assume they can communicate- it's my job to help figure out (&/or teach) the most efficient format for that language to emerge #ATChat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:10 PM EST

@wernedat Agreed! Tell me more about what you mean by "use". Pointing to "I want goldfish" is using AAC. Is that enough? #atchat

KarenJan - Moderator Feb 17 @ 8:10 PM EST

@azspeechguy Frustrating, isn't it? How do we overcome resistance to presuming competence? #ATchat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:11 PM EST

Q2: How many AAC users leave your school able to communicate whatever they want, however they want, whenever they want? #atchat

krista_bolen Feb 17 @ 8:11 PM EST

A1: Presume Ss using #augcomm can converse w/o adult intervention. Talk to the kid, not the adult. #atchat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:12 PM EST

@AACreATively So, don't necessarily start with low/light tech, eh? :) Has that worked for you? Any evidence that is effective? #ATChat

bcdtech Feb 17 @ 8:12 PM EST

@attipscast currently zero. But the sped teacher is now letting Ss take ipad with her- instead of locking it up #ATChat

AACreATively Feb 17 @ 8:12 PM EST

A2: Way more now that we get devices through insurance #atchat

green_sandyl Feb 17 @ 8:13 PM EST

A2. Not enough😞 #ATChat

darlaashton Feb 17 @ 8:13 PM EST

@bcdtech @attipscast well that's a good start, wink wink:) #ATChat #mypetpeeve

KarenJan - Moderator Feb 17 @ 8:13 PM EST

A2 - I think it's still not enough. I heard a statistic at #ATIA16 that said only 10% of AAC users are literate upon graduation. #ATchat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:13 PM EST

@KarenJan No. That is from some long time people in the field as documented on the ASHA website. #ATChat

KarenJan - Moderator Feb 17 @ 8:13 PM EST

A2 We need to do more to ensure competence with communication and literacy. #ATchat

VickiBostonSLP Feb 17 @ 8:14 PM EST

A2: not nearly enough. Too often we settle for "functional" #ATChat

inov8ed Feb 17 @ 8:14 PM EST

We've started with low tech in districts. Very successful because of equity. Everyone has access. A gradual move to higher tech.#ATChat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:14 PM EST

Do you have a plan or process for how you do that, how you figure that out? #atchat https://t.co/UEIkg0NYRY

VickiBostonSLP Feb 17 @ 8:10 PM EST

A1: assume they can communicate- it's my job to help figure out (&/or teach) the most efficient format for that language to emerge #ATChat

bcdtech Feb 17 @ 8:14 PM EST

@darlaashton @attipscast This is a big step for the T, loss of control, and she doesn't think Ss "needs it". Ss is non verbal #ATChat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:15 PM EST

@bcdtech That is a start! #ATChat

WISCOMACO Feb 17 @ 8:15 PM EST

A2: that's prob why we see behavior problems in the older nonverbal students- everyone communicates in some way #atchat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:15 PM EST

@KarenJan That actually sounds high to me. :( #ATChat

AACreATively Feb 17 @ 8:16 PM EST

@VickiBostonSLP A2: I know how sad is it that communicating isn't considered "functional" what's more functional?! #atchat

atslp_jan Feb 17 @ 8:16 PM EST

A2 Not nearly enough. #ATchat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:16 PM EST

@WISCOMACO definitely. When communication goes up, behaviors go down. #ATChat

wernedat Feb 17 @ 8:16 PM EST

@attipscast use = being understood and getting what they WANT, not just the wants we give them to say. #ATChat

gallianstone Feb 17 @ 8:17 PM EST

Running late. Just saw the topic! SR, severe disabilities teacher from MA. My whole class is AAC users! Can someone retweet q2? #atchat

KarenJan - Moderator Feb 17 @ 8:17 PM EST

Q3 is coming up. #ATchat

darlaashton Feb 17 @ 8:17 PM EST

THIS. These kids get big. Give them a voice before they show you how mad they are not to have a voice. #atchat https://t.co/ovuVnPvsVB

WISCOMACO Feb 17 @ 8:15 PM EST

A2: that's prob why we see behavior problems in the older nonverbal students- everyone communicates in some way #atchat

gallianstone Feb 17 @ 8:18 PM EST

@bcdtech @darlaashton @attipscast she doesn't think .... What???? #atchat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:18 PM EST

Q3: If you think the #s are low, what can be done? What goals & interventions do you want to put in place to increase those #s? #atchat

wernedat Feb 17 @ 8:18 PM EST

@attipscast @KarenJan is there any current data? #ATChat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:18 PM EST

If we only give them the option to say "I want goldfish" then they'll only ever say "I want goldfish". #ATChat https://t.co/hfupQ7HSAe

wernedat Feb 17 @ 8:16 PM EST

@attipscast use = being understood and getting what they WANT, not just the wants we give them to say. #ATChat

VickiBostonSLP Feb 17 @ 8:18 PM EST

@AACreATively and "functional" can mean they responded to a question in morning meeting & requested at snack... #ATChat

KarenJan - Moderator Feb 17 @ 8:18 PM EST

@gallianstone Q2: How many people leave your school functional users of AAC able to comm whatever they want, whenever they want? #atchat

bcdtech Feb 17 @ 8:19 PM EST

@gallianstone @darlaashton @attipscast Yes... we are making progress- smaller than baby steps, but moving forward #ATChat

AACreATively Feb 17 @ 8:19 PM EST

If we get devices through the school we need a post graduation communication plan #atchat

gallianstone Feb 17 @ 8:20 PM EST

A3. Our younger Ss (I teach MS) have devices integrated through the day & at home. Getting Ps comfortable with device is huge! #atchat

KarenJan - Moderator Feb 17 @ 8:20 PM EST

@AACreATively Should that be part of the transition plan? #ATchat https://t.co/DeuYiAdvpx

AACreATively Feb 17 @ 8:19 PM EST

If we get devices through the school we need a post graduation communication plan #atchat

VickiBostonSLP Feb 17 @ 8:20 PM EST

@attipscast it varies but teamwork around access mode & choice of format & lots of modeling are constants. #ATChat

bcdtech Feb 17 @ 8:20 PM EST

@attipscast Just as we expect typical kids to move beyond the baby talk, so Ss need the opportunity to speak the same lang as peers #ATChat

MaegeK Feb 17 @ 8:21 PM EST

A3: Increase staff and family AAC training and intervention. They need to know the device to use it with the student! #atchat

gallianstone Feb 17 @ 8:21 PM EST

@AACreATively That's why I always recommend Ps buy/go through insurance once S is MS/HS age. May be device they have for a long time #atchat

WISCOMACO Feb 17 @ 8:21 PM EST

A3: increase comfort level and confidence of all staff who are at school with a child learning AAC #atchat

KarenJan - Moderator Feb 17 @ 8:21 PM EST

A3 - Model, model, model. #ATchat

wernedat Feb 17 @ 8:22 PM EST

@AACreATively We "try" to plan their devices funding so they get one before grad (much easier than after) so we do backwards math #ATChat

AACreATively Feb 17 @ 8:22 PM EST

@KarenJan It should! I personally write the funding reports and submit them before students graduate. #ATChat

darlaashton Feb 17 @ 8:22 PM EST

A3: model, speak using their language system, open up vocabulary, get all team members on board, get parents trained, GET BUSY! #ATChat

atslp_jan Feb 17 @ 8:22 PM EST

A3: increased and improved training for staff and family. #ATchat

inov8ed Feb 17 @ 8:22 PM EST

Q3: we need more professional development for teachers in communication and AAC. #ATChat

gallianstone Feb 17 @ 8:23 PM EST

@KarenJan Agreed. For S. For staff. For Ps. #atchat

darlaashton Feb 17 @ 8:23 PM EST

@bcdtech @gallianstone @attipscast got to meet them where they are. sounds like you are over your first hump, that's awesome. #ATChat

possbeth Feb 17 @ 8:23 PM EST

A3 if we set low expectations they will surely fall to meet them...#mindset #atchat

gallianstone Feb 17 @ 8:24 PM EST

I always get comments about how good my Ss are at using their devices - because they use them all day long! #atchat

KarenJan - Moderator Feb 17 @ 8:24 PM EST

@possbeth Or,if we set low expectations (for S &staff) that's all they will meet. Goes back to presume comp.#ATchat https://t.co/4v0DvLcejd

possbeth Feb 17 @ 8:23 PM EST

A3 if we set low expectations they will surely fall to meet them...#mindset #atchat

AACreATively Feb 17 @ 8:24 PM EST

A3:More bilingual parent trainings would help a lot in our area #atchat

VickiBostonSLP Feb 17 @ 8:24 PM EST

A3: show models of individuals using #augcomm that are full of long sentences & correct grammar. I have a few go to videos. #ATChat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:25 PM EST

Q4: What is the difference between "communication" and "language"? Does that matter? #atchat

AACreATively Feb 17 @ 8:25 PM EST

@KarenJan We always try to use insurance first so we know we're teaching students to use something they will have access to! #ATChat

darlaashton Feb 17 @ 8:25 PM EST

@VickiBostonSLP please share the links if you can! #ATChat

bcdtech Feb 17 @ 8:26 PM EST

@attipscast A4: Communication can be just getting your needs communicated. Language is much richer! #ATChat

KarenJan - Moderator Feb 17 @ 8:26 PM EST

@gallianstone What do you think you are doing differently compared to others? Share your secrets! #ATchat https://t.co/gWeXJQRL6r

gallianstone Feb 17 @ 8:24 PM EST

I always get comments about how good my Ss are at using their devices - because they use them all day long! #atchat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:26 PM EST

Is anyone using a model where they expose kids to high tech AAC w/o an eval? Just give it to them, go, & model, model, model? #ATChat

gallianstone Feb 17 @ 8:26 PM EST

@VickiBostonSLP Also need to teach Ts/Ps to be good communication partners. Need to understand Ss intention at 1-2wrd level #atchat

darlaashton Feb 17 @ 8:27 PM EST

@attipscast YES. and it's WORKING when we use the SETT framework to make decisions on what to try. #ATChat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:27 PM EST

@KarenJan @gallianstone Do you have lesson plans targeting words all day long? Do the users all have diff device or similar systems? #ATChat

AACreATively Feb 17 @ 8:27 PM EST

Q3: We're doing a "bring your child's device" training and helping parents "learn to speak their child's language" 😊 #ATChat

possbeth Feb 17 @ 8:27 PM EST

A4 We use a variety of languages/language forms to communicate. Need to value all forms even if we are moving toward symbolic lang #atchat

VickiBostonSLP Feb 17 @ 8:27 PM EST

@darlaashton Gail Van Tatenhove's YouTube channel has several. And @LostVoiceGuy is a stand up comedian in UK using PLQ on iPad. #ATChat

gallianstone Feb 17 @ 8:28 PM EST

@attipscast Yes. I pushed for my S to start using device, despite SLP skepicism. Got own device in Oct, already using 2 word combos. #atchat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:28 PM EST

@bcdtech Should the focus shift from AAC to AAL? Should we be putting more emphasis on the language piece as a practice? #ATChat

possbeth Feb 17 @ 8:29 PM EST

Q3 don't meet kids where they are at--meet them on the next step up and model and expect more #atchat

MaryannFuduric Feb 17 @ 8:29 PM EST

A4. Language refers to words where communication is source of the language. Communication can be sounds and movements. #ATChat

gallianstone Feb 17 @ 8:29 PM EST

@KarenJan 1. I NEVER take devices away, even if Ss are "playing" with them during my lesson. 2. EVERY lesson incorporates the device #atchat

atslp_jan Feb 17 @ 8:30 PM EST

A4: the difference is in ability to use device across diff people in diff settings & for diff reasons vs just respond to curriculum #ATchat

bcdtech Feb 17 @ 8:30 PM EST

@attipscast I think it can be a goal, but many Ss have to have the benchmarks lower, just to get needs met #ATChat

VickiBostonSLP Feb 17 @ 8:30 PM EST

I found this model challenging in a school system. But I'm trying it now in the clinic! #ATChat https://t.co/40uZY7PNRV

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:26 PM EST

Is anyone using a model where they expose kids to high tech AAC w/o an eval? Just give it to them, go, & model, model, model? #ATChat

KarenJan - Moderator Feb 17 @ 8:30 PM EST

@attipscast Intriguing question. Do you think it will make a difference? Word matter. #ATchat https://t.co/blvWpTfChw

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:28 PM EST

@bcdtech Should the focus shift from AAC to AAL? Should we be putting more emphasis on the language piece as a practice? #ATChat

WISCOMACO Feb 17 @ 8:30 PM EST

A3: kids so often rise to the bar we set- I see it every day #atchat

gallianstone Feb 17 @ 8:31 PM EST

@attipscast @KarenJan I have target core word vocab for every lesson. But we use a lot more words than that. #atchat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:31 PM EST

@darlaashton No eval but U do go thru SETT to come up w/ a system. Is that for every ind. or do you have some go to systems you use? #ATChat

gallianstone Feb 17 @ 8:31 PM EST

@VickiBostonSLP It's a lot easier with classroom iPads with software already installed. That's how I started my Ss. #atchat

AACreATively Feb 17 @ 8:31 PM EST

@attipscast YES!!! I give many kids access to high tech without a formal eval and they often blow me away! #ATChat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:32 PM EST

Q5: What are some agreed upon ideologies shared among everyone who practices AAC? Do you have a set you live/practice by? #atchat

possbeth Feb 17 @ 8:32 PM EST

A4 need to explicitly teach language but always accept communication. #atchat

MaryannFuduric Feb 17 @ 8:32 PM EST

I read somewhere that communication is a social event. #ATChat

bcdtech Feb 17 @ 8:32 PM EST

@WISCOMACO True... #ATChat

darlaashton Feb 17 @ 8:32 PM EST

@attipscast almost always SETT. makes it easy and quick to pinpoint where to start. if we can't do it w/ SETT then we go full eval #ATChat

KarenJan - Moderator Feb 17 @ 8:32 PM EST

@attipscast Wow - I really have to ponder this one. Interested to hear what SLPs think about this. #ATchat #slpeeps https://t.co/blvWpTfChw

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:28 PM EST

@bcdtech Should the focus shift from AAC to AAL? Should we be putting more emphasis on the language piece as a practice? #ATChat

AACreATively Feb 17 @ 8:33 PM EST

@attipscast We often shuffle iPads with LAMP around as step one and if they rock it we do an eval and funding report! #ATChat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:33 PM EST

<nods in agreement> <winks> #ATChat https://t.co/hdr8hfSbLc

MaryannFuduric Feb 17 @ 8:29 PM EST

A4. Language refers to words where communication is source of the language. Communication can be sounds and movements. #ATChat

wernedat Feb 17 @ 8:33 PM EST

@attipscast A4: pref by saying I'm OT not SLP - but C is holistic - L is the words we speak, C is the exchange of using them #ATChat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:33 PM EST

<nods in agreement> <winks> #ATChat https://t.co/hdr8hfSbLc https://t.co/NKdVZyC6EH

MaryannFuduric Feb 17 @ 8:29 PM EST

A4. Language refers to words where communication is source of the language. Communication can be sounds and movements. #ATChat

AACreATively Feb 17 @ 8:33 PM EST

Hey! Also Amanda from AACreATively here! #ATChat

gallianstone Feb 17 @ 8:33 PM EST

@possbeth Love that. Unfortunately, I see a lot of teaching "vocabulary" in the name of language. - Not the same. #atchat

VickiBostonSLP Feb 17 @ 8:33 PM EST

@gallianstone yes, the right environment & already available technology make a big difference! #ATChat

darlaashton Feb 17 @ 8:34 PM EST

A5: the AAC Bootcamp poster! @Lasenders #atchat https://t.co/pX4eHoh7Nk

AACreATively Feb 17 @ 8:35 PM EST

We have had the issue of some teachers getting stuck on "theme vocab" (fringe) over core in some classrooms #ATChat https://t.co/NDyzszHHjU

gallianstone Feb 17 @ 8:33 PM EST

@possbeth Love that. Unfortunately, I see a lot of teaching "vocabulary" in the name of language. - Not the same. #atchat

gallianstone Feb 17 @ 8:36 PM EST

@AACreATively It's easier to teach - more concrete. And when Ts don't believe S *knows* the words - it's hard to get them not to. #atchat

AACreATively Feb 17 @ 8:36 PM EST

A5: you have to MODEL the system if you except your AAC users to communicate with the system! #ATChat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:36 PM EST

@KarenJan People think they are meeting needs by focusing on communication missing the point that language should be focus. #ATChat

VickiBostonSLP Feb 17 @ 8:37 PM EST

@darlaashton @Lasenders Love this! I hand it out to parents, teachers, SLPs, anyone involved & they understand it! #ATChat

gallianstone Feb 17 @ 8:37 PM EST

It comes back to the idea that SLP needs to "prove" they know vocab. Using it should be proof enough! #atchat https://t.co/QWixiQBIRH

possbeth Feb 17 @ 8:36 PM EST

@gallianstone vocab is only one aspect of language and every good SLP should know that at that #

AACreATively Feb 17 @ 8:37 PM EST

A5: Talk WITH kids, don't demand constant labeling #ATChat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:38 PM EST

@gallianstone @KarenJan YES! Great! And yes, you have to use more words than just core. You can't get to SNUG with only core! #ATChat

KarenJan - Moderator Feb 17 @ 8:39 PM EST

Q6 coming up. It relates to a conversation at #EdCampAccessInten @ #ATIA16 #ATchat

VickiBostonSLP Feb 17 @ 8:39 PM EST

@AACreATively I once had someone say- "more is such an abstract symbol- why don't we just work on speech?" #ATChat

possbeth Feb 17 @ 8:39 PM EST

@attipscast @gallianstone @KarenJan but you can't get to SNUG with only fringe #atchat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:40 PM EST

Q6: At EdCamp at ATIA16 a group created this list of agreed upon ideologies https://t.co/SKwuvx6mbN. Do you agree? Are there others? #atchat

KarenJan - Moderator Feb 17 @ 8:40 PM EST

@attipscast Did you see the Freespeech app at #ATIA16, works on developing language? https://t.co/BaNTjAKIWe #ATchat https://t.co/RjeWqUopSt

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:36 PM EST

@KarenJan People think they are meeting needs by focusing on communication missing the point that language should be focus. #ATChat

gallianstone Feb 17 @ 8:40 PM EST

IME, once S knows layout they will find the fringe vocab they want. I model, but I don't explicitly teach. #atchat https://t.co/4Dba2ny34o

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:38 PM EST

@gallianstone @KarenJan YES! Great! And yes, you have to use more words than just core. You can't get to SNUG with only core! #ATChat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:40 PM EST

I hope people R paying attention to this! This might be the answer to how to get more functional end users. #ATChat https://t.co/ThLvQFDLhV

AACreATively Feb 17 @ 8:33 PM EST

@attipscast We often shuffle iPads with LAMP around as step one and if they rock it we do an eval and funding report! #ATChat

gallianstone Feb 17 @ 8:40 PM EST

@possbeth @attipscast @KarenJan we need both. What we don't need is "Show me...." #petpeeve #atchat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:41 PM EST

It is not just about the one word. You need the structure as well - S+V+O (for example). #ATChat https://t.co/KNzfK8DYwD

gallianstone Feb 17 @ 8:33 PM EST

@possbeth Love that. Unfortunately, I see a lot of teaching "vocabulary" in the name of language. - Not the same. #atchat

AACreATively Feb 17 @ 8:41 PM EST

@attipscast @KarenJan I think we don't teach nearly enough language because the focus is "just communicate" ok, now let's move on! #ATChat

AACreATively Feb 17 @ 8:42 PM EST

Amanda borrowed my iPad for a student at the beginning of the year and I don't expect to ever get it back. #atchat https://t.co/TRFrn3VYkc

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:40 PM EST
I hope people R paying attention to this! This might be the answer to how to get more functional end users. #ATChat https://t.co/ThLvQFDLhV
- AACreATively Feb 17 @ 8:33 PM EST
  
  @attipscast We often shuffle iPads with LAMP around as step one and if they rock it we do an eval and funding report! #ATChat

KarenJan - Moderator Feb 17 @ 8:42 PM EST

@AACreATively @attipscast So how do we change that? #ATchat https://t.co/kjXxyYSa91

AACreATively Feb 17 @ 8:41 PM EST

@attipscast @KarenJan I think we don't teach nearly enough language because the focus is "just communicate" ok, now let's move on! #ATChat

gallianstone Feb 17 @ 8:42 PM EST

@VickiBostonSLP @AACreATively complaint I get - the core vocab I am teaching is "too abstract" - want concrete nouns/verbs #atchat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:43 PM EST

@gallianstone Boom! It makes you wonder if you need an assessment component at all. Just using it is proof enough! #ATChat

VickiBostonSLP Feb 17 @ 8:43 PM EST

@gallianstone I had to try very hard not to yell at a grad student who did that last week. I modeled otherwise & explained after. #ATChat

WISCOMACO Feb 17 @ 8:43 PM EST

A6: agree that you should accept any form of communication- isn't the ultimate goal to not use the AAC? If a S feels success- yay! #atchat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:44 PM EST

How do you address this question (beside the palm to the forehead)? #ATChat https://t.co/Zc4pfyEvrz

VickiBostonSLP Feb 17 @ 8:39 PM EST

@AACreATively I once had someone say- "more is such an abstract symbol- why don't we just work on speech?" #ATChat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:45 PM EST

@KarenJan No! I need to check it out! #ATChat

gallianstone Feb 17 @ 8:45 PM EST

@AACreATively @attipscast @KarenJan comes back to the expectations game. Why I love the # #ICanDoMoreThanRequest #atchat

darlaashton Feb 17 @ 8:45 PM EST

@attipscast take classroom language samples, tally up what words were used most, see why "MORE" needs to be taught? #ATChat

KarenJan - Moderator Feb 17 @ 8:46 PM EST

@attipscast And watch his Ted Talk, too. https://t.co/NYzzCev3vg #ATchat

AACreATively Feb 17 @ 8:46 PM EST

@KarenJan @attipscast I think people need to believe that language development is for everyone. Work on it with AAC users too! #ATchat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:47 PM EST

@KarenJan @AACreATively Aggressively target pre-service SLPs & teachers so they know this coming right out of school @ASHAWeb #ATChat

gallianstone Feb 17 @ 8:47 PM EST

@WISCOMACO Why the goal not to use AAC? That makes no sense to me? Even if S *can* talk, if AAC is easier/more preferred, why not? #atchat

VickiBostonSLP Feb 17 @ 8:47 PM EST

@attipscast @AACreATively 1st response is that there's no reason we can't work on speech & AAC. #ATChat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:48 PM EST

Q7: There are many different tools out there to support AAC. How do you choose which tool to try to implement first? #ATchat

bgilormini Feb 17 @ 8:48 PM EST

@attipscast kinda reminds me of all the language modeling we do 4 kids as they develop. We don't assess then we just talk. #ATchat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:48 PM EST

Are you reading the wisdom being written here? This is evidence based practice at its finest! #atchat https://t.co/RqXhoQSpfQ

darlaashton Feb 17 @ 8:45 PM EST

@attipscast take classroom language samples, tally up what words were used most, see why "MORE" needs to be taught? #ATChat

AACreATively Feb 17 @ 8:48 PM EST

Yes!! We need more graduates to come out with this knowledge!!! #ATChat https://t.co/BmCFxqU1co

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:47 PM EST

@KarenJan @AACreATively Aggressively target pre-service SLPs & teachers so they know this coming right out of school @ASHAWeb #ATChat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:49 PM EST

@KarenJan will do! #ATChat

MaegeK Feb 17 @ 8:49 PM EST

A7: Student first obviously, but then availability unfortunately plays a big role. #atchat

alysstets Feb 17 @ 8:49 PM EST

@attipscast we start with a full team SETT to identify the necessary features first. Not catalogue shopping! #atchat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:50 PM EST

Zactly! #ATChat https://t.co/o4wsUZcd6s

bgilormini Feb 17 @ 8:48 PM EST

@attipscast kinda reminds me of all the language modeling we do 4 kids as they develop. We don't assess then we just talk. #ATchat

darlaashton Feb 17 @ 8:50 PM EST

A7: we try not to talk specific device/app- 1st what FEATURES do we need, what ACCESS do we need (SETT), THEN let's choose specifics #ATChat

alysstets Feb 17 @ 8:50 PM EST

@darlaashton @attipscast my HS MDS class is doing this again to beef up core and personal core modeling & enviro engineering #atchat

AACreATively Feb 17 @ 8:51 PM EST

But most systems have similar features so is feature matching becoming a thing of the past? #ATChat https://t.co/fwMIXmde86

alysstets Feb 17 @ 8:49 PM EST

@attipscast we start with a full team SETT to identify the necessary features first. Not catalogue shopping! #atchat

gallianstone Feb 17 @ 8:52 PM EST

A7. start with what is on school iPad - it's what my SLP is comfortable supporting. Most realistic way to get buy-in from staff #atchat

alysstets Feb 17 @ 8:52 PM EST

@darlaashton we also look at a spectrum of devices no, mid, and high tech. Voice output for conventionality preferred #transition #atchat

VickiBostonSLP Feb 17 @ 8:53 PM EST

A7: I'm not sure availability is such a bad consideration. Assuming access is good, features across many devices are fairly similar #ATChat

wernedat Feb 17 @ 8:53 PM EST

@gallianstone What if they don't have an iPad with stuff already... #ATChat

alysstets Feb 17 @ 8:54 PM EST

@AACreATively most of my Ss are falling into mid-tech device range, with visual and motor specific needs. So yes feature match vip. #atchat

darlaashton Feb 17 @ 8:54 PM EST

@AACreATively this is when i look to c what Ps/Ts r comfortable using. Have experience using "x" app? Fine, it meets our criteria. #ATChat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:54 PM EST

I wonder if at a district lvl it might not be better 2 have a goto AAC system everyone tries 1st. If that doesn't work, then adjust #ATChat

gallianstone Feb 17 @ 8:55 PM EST

@VickiBostonSLP W/ a device that staff aren't familiar with supporting - it won't get used as effectively/much & S progress suffers #atchat

KarenJan - Moderator Feb 17 @ 8:56 PM EST

As we wind down a fast-moving #ATchat, are there any final thoughts about the #AAC questions?

VickiBostonSLP Feb 17 @ 8:56 PM EST

@darlaashton @AACreATively and if parents/teachers/SLPs are comfortable w/a system- it gets modeled, & success more likely. #ATChat

alysstets Feb 17 @ 8:56 PM EST

@attipscast then aren't we fitting Ss to a device instead of matching device to Ss needs? #atchat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:56 PM EST

MASS feature matching? These features R what works 4 most. Let's all try this system first & adjust if nec. #ATChat https://t.co/Q04pmnGoAy

AACreATively Feb 17 @ 8:51 PM EST
But most systems have similar features so is feature matching becoming a thing of the past? #ATChat https://t.co/fwMIXmde86
- alysstets Feb 17 @ 8:49 PM EST
  
  @attipscast we start with a full team SETT to identify the necessary features first. Not catalogue shopping! #atchat

inov8ed Feb 17 @ 8:56 PM EST

A7: we often go low tech as not everyone has access to devices. Used pixon project and boardmaker too! Good starters. #ATChat

darlaashton Feb 17 @ 8:57 PM EST

@gallianstone @VickiBostonSLP my problem w/ this is i have used several apps and don't know them super well..i learn w/ the kid! #ATChat

alysstets Feb 17 @ 8:57 PM EST

@gallianstone @VickiBostonSLP disappointing! It's about the student, not staff. We are all life learner #atchat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:57 PM EST

@wernedat @gallianstone Get one? #ATChat

wernedat Feb 17 @ 8:57 PM EST

@attipscast I'm at district level - they use such different approaches language wise - SC vs other core? confusing for Ss? #ATChat

gallianstone Feb 17 @ 8:58 PM EST

@wernedat Definitely harder - b/c you have to get individual device right off the bat. Adds extra challenge to get Ps/Ts Buy-in #atchat

darlaashton Feb 17 @ 8:58 PM EST

@attipscast but if P wants to use "x" instead of our "y" we have to be flexible to that. Don't want Ts getting too boxed in. #ATChat

gallianstone Feb 17 @ 8:58 PM EST

@darlaashton @VickiBostonSLP I feel the same way - but I'm classroom teacher not SLP & I have to get them on board somehow. #atchat

wernedat Feb 17 @ 8:59 PM EST

@attipscast @gallianstone #finances #iwish #tryinghardbut #ATChat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 8:59 PM EST

@alysstets I think of it as mass feature matching. This system works best 4 most. Unless obvious it won't work for ind. try this 1st #ATChat

AACreATively Feb 17 @ 8:59 PM EST

Too many fad and non-researched based apps. We're back to communication when focus should be language. #ATChat https://t.co/DwTm0f42qe

darlaashton Feb 17 @ 8:54 PM EST

@AACreATively this is when i look to c what Ps/Ts r comfortable using. Have experience using "x" app? Fine, it meets our criteria. #ATChat

KarenJan - Moderator Feb 17 @ 8:59 PM EST

Wow - can't believe the hour flew by. Thank you for leading this great discussion @attipscast #ATchat

gallianstone Feb 17 @ 8:59 PM EST

@attipscast I really like this model. Gets devices in S hands faster/earlier. Show success and work from there! #atchat

darlaashton Feb 17 @ 9:00 PM EST

@attipscast @wernedat @gallianstone lol that's my fav of the night!! #ATChat

spirrison Feb 17 @ 9:00 PM EST

#ATChat just ended! Transcripts, collections at https://t.co/p5SguUJMpr Demo: https://t.co/cjEgXCNLIF @attipscast @KarenJan @mmatp

VickiBostonSLP Feb 17 @ 9:00 PM EST

@darlaashton @gallianstone yep, that's how I have & am learning some devices. But sadly doesn't always work that way. #ATChat

bcdtech Feb 17 @ 9:01 PM EST

@KarenJan @attipscast Thanks! Learned a lot as usual #ATChat

attipscast Feb 17 @ 9:01 PM EST

@inov8ed That is what we've done 4 yrs too BUT our success rate of functional users has been dismal. Thinking of trying new approach #ATChat

darlaashton Feb 17 @ 9:01 PM EST

@AACreATively that's what i mean by "meets our criteria" #ATChat

gallianstone Feb 17 @ 9:01 PM EST

@inov8ed Low-tech is vastly under-rated IME. I also like printouts of high tech systems for low-tech. Makes transition easier. #atchat