#engsschat Archive

Last Monday of every month, #engchat joins #sschat to form #engsschat. Stephanie Sukow leads this effort and her help is greatly appreciated.

Monday June 25, 2018
7:00 PM EDT

  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:00 PM EDT
    Welcome to tonight's #engsschat to discuss Creative Writing in ELA and Social Studies. Please introduce yourself and share your favorite genre of writing. Don't forget to add #engsschat to your tweets!
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:01 PM EDT
    Hope to see some of the #sschat #sstlap PLN in tonight's #engsschat on Creative Writing in ELA and Social Studies. Starting now! :)
    • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:00 PM EDT
      Welcome to tonight's #engsschat to discuss Creative Writing in ELA and Social Studies. Please introduce yourself and share your favorite genre of writing. Don't forget to add #engsschat to your tweets!
  • BraveMsMcMillan Jun 25 @ 7:02 PM EDT
    My name is Rachael McMillan, and my favorite genre of writing is poetry! #engsschat
  • classroomtools Jun 25 @ 7:02 PM EDT
    Hi #engsschat, this is Bill Chapman, a retired secondary social studies teacher, checking in from Berkeley, CA. My favorite genre of writing is non fiction prose, especially popular science and history of tech and pop culture.
  • mjjohnson1216 Jun 25 @ 7:02 PM EDT
    Meredith joining #engsschat from SW Florida. Genre of writing ::smile:: Twitter tweets
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:03 PM EDT
    Welcome, Bill! If you want book recs, Bill is a definite follow. He hasn't recommended a bad one to me yet! :) #engsschat
    In reply to @classroomtools
  • mjjohnson1216 Jun 25 @ 7:03 PM EDT
    One of these terrific chats just began - #engsschat - jump on into the conversation!
  • classroomtools Jun 25 @ 7:03 PM EDT
    Thanks Chris! #engsschat
    In reply to @CHitch94
  • GeoJo22 Jun 25 @ 7:03 PM EDT
    Hello! Joanne from Missouri. I teach 7th grade world history and 11th grade modern global issues. My favorite genre is poetry. I was the only kid I knew who checked poetry books out of the library. #engsschat
  • classroomtools Jun 25 @ 7:04 PM EDT
    Hi Joanne! #engsschat
    In reply to @GeoJo22
  • historytechie Jun 25 @ 7:04 PM EDT
    Hello #engsschat Looking forward to a great chat with the amazing @CHitch94 as I'm looking to revamp writing in my AP Hov & World classes this fall.
  • BraveMsMcMillan Jun 25 @ 7:04 PM EDT
    (Sorry weโ€™ll try that again) My name is Rachael McMillan! I am a first year teacher this fall, teaching six grade social studies at Jacksonville Middle School in Illinois, and my favorite genre of writing is poetry! #engsschat
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:04 PM EDT
    Welcome, Joanne! How awesome! I look forward to finding out if you use poetry with your Ss or have them write poetry. #engsschat
    In reply to @GeoJo22
  • 42ThinkDeep Jun 25 @ 7:05 PM EDT
    Hi! I'm Michael - I teach US and mostly World History at a high school in MA. My favorite genre of writing is acrostic poetry. I"m kidding. Picking my favorite writing genre is difficult, I do enjoy a good parody. #engsschat
  • classroomtools Jun 25 @ 7:05 PM EDT
    #engsschat
    • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:05 PM EDT
      We will use a Q1/A1, Q2/A2 format. Questions will have image cards as well as start with Q1, Q2, etc. Include A1, A2, etc. in your responses. If you have any questions, just ask. :) Q1 coming up in 1 minute.
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:06 PM EDT
    Q1: What type of creative writing tasks do you have students do? (Extra credit for including assignment links, photos, student examples, etc.!) #engsschat
  • jwkraschnewski Jun 25 @ 7:06 PM EDT
    A1: I've used RAFTs in the past... I know, super lame, but that's why I'm here! Teach me! #engsschat
  • GeoJo22 Jun 25 @ 7:06 PM EDT
    My husband's book club chose These Honored Dead for their July read. #engsschat
    In reply to @classroomtools
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:07 PM EDT
    A1) I have had Ss do journal writing as if they were someone from a particular time period and role reflecting upon a historical event. #engsschat
  • classroomtools Jun 25 @ 7:07 PM EDT
    A very popular writing assignment I used in history classes was what I called Historical Dear Abby. To see the assignment, and samples of great student work it generated, click https://t.co/6Z5UasHsD9 #engsschat
    • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:06 PM EDT
      Q1: What type of creative writing tasks do you have students do? (Extra credit for including assignment links, photos, student examples, etc.!) #engsschat
  • GeoJo22 Jun 25 @ 7:07 PM EDT
    My husband grew up in New Berlin! #engsschat
    In reply to @BraveMsMcMillan
  • MrsSchramp Jun 25 @ 7:08 PM EDT
    Hi, everyone. I'm Melissa from Atchison, KS. I teach 6-8 Soc Studies. I like narrative essays, esp. non-fiction, personal. #engsschat
  • Dale_Chu Jun 25 @ 7:08 PM EDT
    HAPPENING NOW: @CHitch94 moderating a talk on creative writing. Follow along at #engsschat!
  • classroomtools Jun 25 @ 7:08 PM EDT
    Great choice. I just finished the sequel, Perish from the Earth. #engsschat
    In reply to @GeoJo22
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:08 PM EDT
    Not lame at all! My students have responded well to a RAFT I have them do about taxation. They write from perspective of absolute monarch (why tax hike needed) and then of a subject (how they will be affected). #engsschat
    • jwkraschnewski Jun 25 @ 7:06 PM EDT
      A1: I've used RAFTs in the past... I know, super lame, but that's why I'm here! Teach me! #engsschat
  • 42ThinkDeep Jun 25 @ 7:09 PM EDT
    I'd like to do more creative writing in history. We did one assignment where Enlightenment thinkers and different monarchs met at a coffee shop. These were plays and were a bit silly but I found them enjoyable. #engsschat
  • GeoJo22 Jun 25 @ 7:10 PM EDT
    A1 We have written historical narratives, diaries, and orations. #engsschat
  • classroomtools Jun 25 @ 7:10 PM EDT
    Sounds like Steve Allen's Meeting of Minds. https://t.co/s7Enb6lRUW #engsschat
    In reply to @42ThinkDeep
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:11 PM EDT
    That sounds fun and a good way to help students deepen their understanding of those thinkers' views and how those ideas may have conflicted and/or complemented each other. #engsschat
    • 42ThinkDeep Jun 25 @ 7:09 PM EDT
      I'd like to do more creative writing in history. We did one assignment where Enlightenment thinkers and different monarchs met at a coffee shop. These were plays and were a bit silly but I found them enjoyable. #engsschat
  • 42ThinkDeep Jun 25 @ 7:12 PM EDT
    Yea, there typically was some banter and someone always stormed off (groups often had to play multiple people). #engsschat
    In reply to @CHitch94
  • kerisavoca Jun 25 @ 7:12 PM EDT
    Keri from NYC. ESL teacher. I love creative writing and multilingual writing. Getting tired of argumentative writing. #engsschat
    • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:00 PM EDT
      Welcome to tonight's #engsschat to discuss Creative Writing in ELA and Social Studies. Please introduce yourself and share your favorite genre of writing. Don't forget to add #engsschat to your tweets!
  • historytechie Jun 25 @ 7:12 PM EDT
    Love this ๐Ÿ’ก We've done @42ThinkDeep & @dankrutka Enlightenment Twitter. #engsschat
    • 42ThinkDeep Jun 25 @ 7:09 PM EDT
      I'd like to do more creative writing in history. We did one assignment where Enlightenment thinkers and different monarchs met at a coffee shop. These were plays and were a bit silly but I found them enjoyable. #engsschat
  • historytechie Jun 25 @ 7:12 PM EDT
    A1 I've done the write a letter in a historical period in World. My AP Gov Ss have had fun with create an interest group and legislation. #engsschat
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:12 PM EDT
    One of the years I was teaching in NY, the 10th grade ELA teacher and I (global studies) did a meeting of the minds assignment with Ss. It was really fun and they had to know their person and his/her ideas well. #engsschat
  • MrsSchramp Jun 25 @ 7:13 PM EDT
    A1 (1/2) Ss will occasionally write first-person journals of people in history, such as Lewis & Clark or write a story about pioneers exploring Oregon Trail, etc. Old school, but they enjoy it! #engsschat
  • kerisavoca Jun 25 @ 7:13 PM EDT
    A1: Lots of freewriting (can be done in any language). Fiction writing in general. Anything that gets them to use their imaginations. #engsschat
    • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:06 PM EDT
      Q1: What type of creative writing tasks do you have students do? (Extra credit for including assignment links, photos, student examples, etc.!) #engsschat
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:14 PM EDT
    I remember that NCSS presentation in Boston. :) #engsschat
    • historytechie Jun 25 @ 7:12 PM EDT
      Love this ๐Ÿ’ก We've done @42ThinkDeep & @dankrutka Enlightenment Twitter. #engsschat
      • 42ThinkDeep Jun 25 @ 7:09 PM EDT
        I'd like to do more creative writing in history. We did one assignment where Enlightenment thinkers and different monarchs met at a coffee shop. These were plays and were a bit silly but I found them enjoyable. #engsschat
  • kerisavoca Jun 25 @ 7:14 PM EDT
    Reminds me of the time I had them read Streetcar and write letters to the characters throughout the scenes giving them relationship advice. #engsschat
    In reply to @CHitch94
  • 42ThinkDeep Jun 25 @ 7:14 PM EDT
    Oh yea! I did this one thing where students took on the personas of Enlightenment philosophers who are now alive (don't bother questioning why - science maybe) & had to explain to the world why they are relevant and react to modern issues. There was also trash talking #engsschat
    In reply to @historytechie, @dankrutka
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:15 PM EDT
    Q2: Why do you (or why do you think you *should*) assign creative writing tasks? #engsschat
  • assignmenthelp Jun 25 @ 7:15 PM EDT
    10 Best Essay Writing Tips That Every Masterโ€™s Student Must Know https://t.co/DMNR6vCtAd #engchat #engsschat #plearnchat #kyadmin #sschat #DubChat
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:15 PM EDT
    That can be a great way for Ss to apply what they've learned in a different way and be creative. #engsschat
    • MrsSchramp Jun 25 @ 7:13 PM EDT
      A1 (1/2) Ss will occasionally write first-person journals of people in history, such as Lewis & Clark or write a story about pioneers exploring Oregon Trail, etc. Old school, but they enjoy it! #engsschat
  • kerisavoca Jun 25 @ 7:15 PM EDT
    It was a little hard to read though because 100% of the girls told Stella to stay in an abusive relationship and to try harder, while almost 100% of the guys told her to leave. #engsschat
    In reply to @CHitch94
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:15 PM EDT
    Love that! Your relationship might be dysfunctional if . . . ;) #engsschat
    • kerisavoca Jun 25 @ 7:14 PM EDT
      Reminds me of the time I had them read Streetcar and write letters to the characters throughout the scenes giving them relationship advice. #engsschat
      In reply to @CHitch94
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:16 PM EDT
    Oh, no! Well, I imagine that opened up some good opportunities for discussion. #engsschat
    • kerisavoca Jun 25 @ 7:15 PM EDT
      It was a little hard to read though because 100% of the girls told Stella to stay in an abusive relationship and to try harder, while almost 100% of the guys told her to leave. #engsschat
      In reply to @CHitch94
  • MrsSchramp Jun 25 @ 7:16 PM EDT
    A1 (2/2) I'll also have starters where I'll give them an odd sentence or some words and they have to write a story using those guidelines. I use this site: https://t.co/AKpnMKw4wm. #engsschat
  • classroomtools Jun 25 @ 7:16 PM EDT
    A2 Creative writing allows students to engage with content in ways they find most interesting, using skills they possess and/or want to develop. #engsschat
  • MrsSchramp Jun 25 @ 7:16 PM EDT
    Their favorite last yr was making a story that uses this line: "I don't think he knows how sandwiches work." #engsschat
  • jwkraschnewski Jun 25 @ 7:16 PM EDT
    A2: I think it is easier for students to relate to people in history if they put themselves into their place through writing. #engsschat
  • 42ThinkDeep Jun 25 @ 7:17 PM EDT
    I think it is a good idea to vary the types of writing that students do. Not only to help develop various skills but to avoid feeling too repetitive. #engsschat
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:17 PM EDT
    A2) I work with high school Ss and it seems they get fewer opportunities to be creative in school in the upper grades. It's fun and it helps them think about content in different ways. #engsschat
  • kerisavoca Jun 25 @ 7:17 PM EDT
    A2: Because it's IMPOSSIBLE to do formulaic creative writing like so many teachers do with non-fiction essays. It unleashes their imagination and gives them the opportunity to think critically, even if the writing is fictional. #engsschat
  • PegGrafwallner Jun 25 @ 7:17 PM EDT
    A1 Creative writing assignments were extremely difficult for me to write...still are. If I were to "assign" them (I'm an Instruc Coach/Rdg Spec, so I don't have own Ss), I would give students the chance to work individually or w/ a partner so ideas could flow together #engsschat
  • mjjohnson1216 Jun 25 @ 7:17 PM EDT
    A2. I adore this creative writing task. Creativity feeds the soul :-) #engsschat
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:18 PM EDT
    That sounds like a great idea, especially for Ss who are a little less confident in their creativity or writing skills. #engsschat
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:18 PM EDT
    Oh, my gosh! I am cracking up just thinking about what some of the stories could be. LOL #engsschat
    • MrsSchramp Jun 25 @ 7:16 PM EDT
      Their favorite last yr was making a story that uses this line: "I don't think he knows how sandwiches work." #engsschat
  • historytechie Jun 25 @ 7:18 PM EDT
    A2 I LOVE seeing the creativity and Ss choice in design/writing their piece. It's fun to get creative- we NEED more of this. Not expository all the time. #engsschat
  • mjjohnson1216 Jun 25 @ 7:19 PM EDT
    A2. This was shared recently on Twitter. #engsschat
  • GeoJo22 Jun 25 @ 7:19 PM EDT
    A2 creative writing can allow the student to place themselves in the historical context. It's personal, engaging. #engsschat
  • kerisavoca Jun 25 @ 7:19 PM EDT
    It did - but it was a difficult discussion. I teach newcomer ESL and there were clear cultural and demographic trends evident in the responses. And the trends were the opposite of what some people might have expected. #engsschat
    In reply to @CHitch94
  • BraveMsMcMillan Jun 25 @ 7:19 PM EDT
    A2 having students do creative writing in a ss class shows them that writing is a part of everything, not just their English class. It connects subject areas, and makes them think outside the box, not separate subjects areas #engsschat
  • susankotch Jun 25 @ 7:19 PM EDT
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:20 PM EDT
    That's understandable. Group or partner creative writing would provide additional opportunities for them to discuss content and get over some writing hurdles. #engsschat
    • PegGrafwallner Jun 25 @ 7:17 PM EDT
      A1 Creative writing assignments were extremely difficult for me to write...still are. If I were to "assign" them (I'm an Instruc Coach/Rdg Spec, so I don't have own Ss), I would give students the chance to work individually or w/ a partner so ideas could flow together #engsschat
  • historytechie Jun 25 @ 7:20 PM EDT
    A2 We are doing 5 Card Flickr first week of school. Fun activity and get to see their writing skills in a fun way. https://t.co/WHKh2yyxx6 #engsschat
  • kerisavoca Jun 25 @ 7:20 PM EDT
    Hah! I'd love to see the results. #engsschat
    In reply to @MrsSchramp
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:21 PM EDT
    Oh, that would make it more challenging. #engsschat
    • kerisavoca Jun 25 @ 7:19 PM EDT
      It did - but it was a difficult discussion. I teach newcomer ESL and there were clear cultural and demographic trends evident in the responses. And the trends were the opposite of what some people might have expected. #engsschat
      In reply to @CHitch94
  • historytechie Jun 25 @ 7:21 PM EDT
    A2 We need creativity and time to laugh & have fun in class too... fun with skill development! #engsschat
  • MrsSchramp Jun 25 @ 7:22 PM EDT
    It was hilarious. I loved hearing the stories that came from this line, and I only gave them 5 minutes to write! I wish I kept their notebooks, so I could share! #engsschat
    In reply to @CHitch94
  • susankotch Jun 25 @ 7:22 PM EDT
    I once had students write a diary from the perspective of a slave, from being taken in chains from his village, throughout the horrific voyage across the ocean. Required research, including researching slave names, where they landed and were sold. Very enlightening. #engsschat
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:22 PM EDT
    This sounds like a group project we should all try during the year and share out results. It could be an epic #sandwichdoesnotwork thread! :) #engsschat
    • MrsSchramp Jun 25 @ 7:22 PM EDT
      It was hilarious. I loved hearing the stories that came from this line, and I only gave them 5 minutes to write! I wish I kept their notebooks, so I could share! #engsschat
      In reply to @CHitch94
  • mjjohnson1216 Jun 25 @ 7:23 PM EDT
    I would have liked to have been in your class! #engsschat
    In reply to @susankotch
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:23 PM EDT
    Q3 coming right up! #engsschat
  • susankotch Jun 25 @ 7:23 PM EDT
    Nothing engages them more than having them put themselves there, in the moment, when "history" is happening. #engsschat
  • MissJalisaLogan Jun 25 @ 7:23 PM EDT
    A2: Creative writing allows students time to wonder- imagine possibilities and deal in the realm of abstractness and nonconformity. #engsschat
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:24 PM EDT
    Q3: What ELA and Social Studies skills can be developed through creative writing? #engsschat
  • MrsSchramp Jun 25 @ 7:24 PM EDT
    A2 I have to say I was a creative writing naysayer not too long ago, but seeing how excited Ss get whenever they are given an opportunity to use their imaginations to create these stories has made me a believer. Their excitement spills over into other assignments! #engsschat
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:24 PM EDT
    That's a great reminder because the people who made decisions in the past didn't know how things would pan out. #engsschat
    • MissJalisaLogan Jun 25 @ 7:23 PM EDT
      A2: Creative writing allows students time to wonder- imagine possibilities and deal in the realm of abstractness and nonconformity. #engsschat
  • SBCcampbell Jun 25 @ 7:25 PM EDT
    Hi! Sonya from TN. This is my first tweet ever! I am a middle school instructional coach. #engsschat
  • historytechie Jun 25 @ 7:25 PM EDT
    .@BetsyNewmeyer had a great creative writing drill with image and notecards- Firedrilk from the UC Writing Project #engsschat
  • mjjohnson1216 Jun 25 @ 7:25 PM EDT
    A3. @ASCD recently shared this graphic about writing across disciplines. I think it would be excellent for a HS PLC to discuss. #engsschat
  • PegGrafwallner Jun 25 @ 7:25 PM EDT
    Perhaps another idea might be to find a primary document of a diary written by a slave and have your students respond using research. #engsschat
    In reply to @susankotch
  • MrsSchramp Jun 25 @ 7:26 PM EDT
    A3 I think that creative writing is fantastic for teaching Ss how to use details to describe a setting, create a mood, etc. The more details and the more specific Ss can get, the better! #engsschat
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:26 PM EDT
    That's a great observation! If creative opportunities spark excitement for learning throughout the course, they are a win-win! We'll be talking about factors that keep us from offering creative opportunities later in the chat. #engsschat
    • MrsSchramp Jun 25 @ 7:24 PM EDT
      A2 I have to say I was a creative writing naysayer not too long ago, but seeing how excited Ss get whenever they are given an opportunity to use their imaginations to create these stories has made me a believer. Their excitement spills over into other assignments! #engsschat
  • BraveMsMcMillan Jun 25 @ 7:26 PM EDT
    A3 1/2 Well, first off the basics of English, such as capitalization, punctuation, paragraphing, sentence structure. Those are just things that ALWAYS need to be worked on #engsschat
  • Blended_Math Jun 25 @ 7:26 PM EDT
    Join me next Sunday, July 1st at 8pm EST for #edChatRI twitter chat! The topic will be education policy that positively and negatively effects your classroom. All states welcome - not just RI! #edtech #FuseRI #ISTE18 #teachplusri #edchat #engsschat #ImpactMatters
  • thekidouto Jun 25 @ 7:26 PM EDT
    #runningANDgunning ๐Ÿ“น๐Ÿ“ฝ๐ŸŽฅ #MusicVideo https://t.co/X72uPo65hZ ๐Ÿ”ซ๐ŸŽถ๐Ÿ”ฐ๐Ÿ”ช๐Ÿž๐Ÿฆ‹๐ŸŽถ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฝ #gbb2 #โ‚ฒรŸรŸโ‚‚ #Gฮฒฮฒยฒ #GBB2 ๐ŸŒ–๐ŸŒŒ๐Ÿš€๐Ÿ’ฅ๐Ÿ”ซ๐Ÿƒ๐Ÿพโ€โ™‚๏ธ๐Ÿ›ธ๐ŸŒŒ๐ŸŒ’ #IveGotASecretMission #TheBeat #iOS12 #MTPDaily #TrumpinSC #cleantechPIE #spainvsmorocco #engsschat #jeopardy #tytlive #AddACountryToAFood
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:26 PM EDT
    Welcome, Sonya! We hope it will be a positive experience. If you have any questions, just ask! #engsschat
    • SBCcampbell Jun 25 @ 7:25 PM EDT
      Hi! Sonya from TN. This is my first tweet ever! I am a middle school instructional coach. #engsschat
  • SBCcampbell Jun 25 @ 7:26 PM EDT
    A2 Creative writing gets students interested in writing. It gives them a voice. #engsschat
  • historytechie Jun 25 @ 7:27 PM EDT
    A3 One can focus on a variety of skills- vocabulary, sentence variety, descriptive, writing styles, incorp POV and counterclaims and more! #engsschat
  • 42ThinkDeep Jun 25 @ 7:27 PM EDT
    I do get a bit uncomfortable with creative writing particularly when dealing with heavy topics. #engsschat
  • thekidouto Jun 25 @ 7:28 PM EDT
    #runningANDgunning #music #video #art ๐Ÿ”Œ๐ŸŽž๐Ÿ“ธ https://t.co/JvryirKHty ๐ŸŽจ๐Ÿ‘จ๐Ÿพโ€๐ŸŽจ๐Ÿ–ผ ๐ŸŒ–๐ŸŒ—๐ŸŒŒ๐Ÿš€๐Ÿ’ฅ๐Ÿ”ซ๐Ÿƒ๐Ÿพโ€โ™‚๏ธ๐Ÿ›ธ๐Ÿ›ฐ๐ŸŒŒ๐ŸŒ‘๐ŸŒ’ ๐Ÿ’ฅ๐Ÿ”ซ๐Ÿ’ข๐ŸŽถ๐Ÿ”ฐ๐Ÿ”ช๐Ÿž๐Ÿฆ‹๐ŸŽถ๐Ÿ’ข๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฝ #gbb2 #โ‚ฒรŸรŸโ‚‚ #Gฮฒฮฒยฒ #Gเธฟเธฟโ‚‚ #GBB2 #IveGotASecretMission #TheBeat #iOS12 #MTPDaily #TrumpinSC #cleantechPIE #spainvsmorocco #engsschat #jeopardy
  • BraveMsMcMillan Jun 25 @ 7:28 PM EDT
    A3 2/2 but also, understanding point of view of someone else is a large learning experience. That will probably involve research, which they will always get better at the more they do it #engsschat
  • classroomtools Jun 25 @ 7:28 PM EDT
    Sophie's Choice or the newly published Ghost Boys? #engsschat
    • 42ThinkDeep Jun 25 @ 7:27 PM EDT
      I do get a bit uncomfortable with creative writing particularly when dealing with heavy topics. #engsschat
  • mjjohnson1216 Jun 25 @ 7:29 PM EDT
    Here is a link to an article that shares 21 writing prompts to unleash your students' creative writing abilities. #engsschat https://t.co/KeSyYBSaNS
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:29 PM EDT
    We're going to be talking about that in the next question. #engsschat
    • 42ThinkDeep Jun 25 @ 7:27 PM EDT
      I do get a bit uncomfortable with creative writing particularly when dealing with heavy topics. #engsschat
  • sallyktish Jun 25 @ 7:29 PM EDT
  • kerisavoca Jun 25 @ 7:29 PM EDT
    A3: Stamina, vocabulary development, grammar (e.g. using the past tense in history), fluidity in writing, critical thinking - all possible when writing about something you WANT to be writing about. #engsschat
  • kerisavoca Jun 25 @ 7:30 PM EDT
    Sometimes it's easier to write about these things creatively than in a research-based way. #engsschat
    In reply to @42ThinkDeep
  • mjjohnson1216 Jun 25 @ 7:31 PM EDT
    This is one of my absolute favorite activities - writing after viewing a visual prompt. You're gonna love this one!! https://t.co/gJ2ToSWBVJ through-art-link #engsschat
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:31 PM EDT
    A3) Do you find yourself being more lenient on writing conventions with creative writing? Asking for a friend. ;) #engsschat
  • classroomtools Jun 25 @ 7:32 PM EDT
    No! #engsschat
    • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:31 PM EDT
      A3) Do you find yourself being more lenient on writing conventions with creative writing? Asking for a friend. ;) #engsschat
  • GeoJo22 Jun 25 @ 7:32 PM EDT
    A3 Creative writing can teach a student point if view. Hopefully they will be more vigilant when perusing primary docs. #engsschat
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:33 PM EDT
    Q4: What suggestions or guidelines can help teachers assign creative writing tasks that are not problematic or harmful? Case in point, an EC assignment where Ss were asked to create a "runaway slave" ad. #engsschat
  • kerisavoca Jun 25 @ 7:33 PM EDT
    Yes. I wrote a blog post about colloquial English: https://t.co/I46xbIgmRp Nothing wrong with using it English in creative writing. #engsschat
    In reply to @CHitch94
  • cherraolthof Jun 25 @ 7:34 PM EDT
    Yes. So long as itโ€™s used with intention to create voice. But only for that. #engsschat
    In reply to @classroomtools
  • kerisavoca Jun 25 @ 7:34 PM EDT
    Very true. #engsschat
    In reply to @42ThinkDeep
  • MrsSchramp Jun 25 @ 7:34 PM EDT
    Nope. If anything, I focus on conventions & style more than I would on argumentative or informational writing, since I'm focusing on content on those type of papers #engsschat
    In reply to @CHitch94
  • mjjohnson1216 Jun 25 @ 7:34 PM EDT
    A4. Take time to think about the end result you hope students will achieve. Run the idea by a fellow educator during a PLC meeting. #engsschat
  • DBQProject Jun 25 @ 7:34 PM EDT
    Where in the world? Wrong maps on TV! #geographyteacher #sschat #engsschat Fast and accurate is an oxymoron sometimes. ! https://t.co/MGLNe3M0ns
  • classroomtools Jun 25 @ 7:34 PM EDT
    there is a big difference between using colloquial language intentionally, and making errors. #engsschat
  • LiteracyChef Jun 25 @ 7:34 PM EDT
    A3 Joining late...Students can develop empathy through historical context and creative writing tasks. #engsschat
  • historytechie Jun 25 @ 7:35 PM EDT
    Use an image from a period in history or for a topic and then do this (via @BetsyNewmeyer ) #engsschat
  • mjjohnson1216 Jun 25 @ 7:35 PM EDT
    Thank you, Dana #engsschat
    In reply to @LiteracyChef, @CHitch94, @ASCD
  • MrsSchramp Jun 25 @ 7:36 PM EDT
    A4 Give examples, be very specific about what you're looking for and what you consider appropriate or inappropriate. Def need to think ahead about what Ss could come up with in their writing and beat them to the punch! #engsschat
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:36 PM EDT
    A good reminder that we need to think about the purpose of the assignment. What is the learning goal? How does the assignment/activity help achieve that goal? #engsschat
    • mjjohnson1216 Jun 25 @ 7:34 PM EDT
      A4. Take time to think about the end result you hope students will achieve. Run the idea by a fellow educator during a PLC meeting. #engsschat
  • kerisavoca Jun 25 @ 7:36 PM EDT
    A4: I prefer to give the option of examining a topic from a creative lens or from a research-based lens. This assignment is inappropriate for innumerable reasons. In general, if they prefer to tackle a tough topic in a research-based way instead, totally fine. #engsschat
    • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:33 PM EDT
      Q4: What suggestions or guidelines can help teachers assign creative writing tasks that are not problematic or harmful? Case in point, an EC assignment where Ss were asked to create a "runaway slave" ad. #engsschat
  • historytechie Jun 25 @ 7:36 PM EDT
    A4 Personally, I'd stay away from runaway salve ad and controversial creative writing as an oppressor. #engsschat
  • MrsSchramp Jun 25 @ 7:37 PM EDT
    Hate to leave early but I'm on the @AtchisonLibrary board, and we have a mtg tonight! TY all for sharing how you use creative writing in your classes. Looking fwd to catching up on your As later tonight. #engsschat
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:37 PM EDT
    Is this something that a RAFT activity can be helpful with? #engsschat
    • MrsSchramp Jun 25 @ 7:36 PM EDT
      A4 Give examples, be very specific about what you're looking for and what you consider appropriate or inappropriate. Def need to think ahead about what Ss could come up with in their writing and beat them to the punch! #engsschat
  • 42ThinkDeep Jun 25 @ 7:38 PM EDT
    I think that trying to put students in the shoes of someone who went through a tragedy should not be done. There is no real way to truly get into their shoes and really - it just seems wrong. #engsschat
  • historytechie Jun 25 @ 7:38 PM EDT
    A4 In Gov we write bill or letter to our actual Congress person advocating on an issue. #engsschat
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:39 PM EDT
    Do you mean in terms of having students writing from the perspective of an oppressor? #engsschat
    • historytechie Jun 25 @ 7:36 PM EDT
      A4 Personally, I'd stay away from runaway salve ad and controversial creative writing as an oppressor. #engsschat
  • historytechie Jun 25 @ 7:39 PM EDT
    A4 Ss could create a PSA for a global issue and share out to UN #engsschat Draft their out UNDHR they would like to see implemented.
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:40 PM EDT
    Do the students come up with the issue they will write about? #engsschat
    • historytechie Jun 25 @ 7:38 PM EDT
      A4 In Gov we write bill or letter to our actual Congress person advocating on an issue. #engsschat
  • classroomtools Jun 25 @ 7:40 PM EDT
    How about an ad for the underground railway? #engsschat
    • historytechie Jun 25 @ 7:36 PM EDT
      A4 Personally, I'd stay away from runaway salve ad and controversial creative writing as an oppressor. #engsschat
  • LiteracyChef Jun 25 @ 7:40 PM EDT
    A4 rather than identifying what not to write, embrace and support Ss writing process through conferences and scaffolded questions that organically lead Ss to the end result-achieving standard and/or understanding of specific skill through personal revision. #engsschat
  • jwkraschnewski Jun 25 @ 7:41 PM EDT
    A4 I have an easier time having my students RAFT about controversial topics... no one gets too hurt about events 1000s of yrs ago #engsschat
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:42 PM EDT
    Q5: What are some factors that PREVENT you from using creative writing as a platform for student learning? #engsschat
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:42 PM EDT
    In the final lesson of my world history 2 course, I have Ss write a proposal to a governing body with ideas for how to solve a current global issue. They also have to anticipate and address possible points of opposition. #engsschat
    • historytechie Jun 25 @ 7:39 PM EDT
      A4 Ss could create a PSA for a global issue and share out to UN #engsschat Draft their out UNDHR they would like to see implemented.
  • mjjohnson1216 Jun 25 @ 7:43 PM EDT
    A5. I just love sharing a tremendous resource twice :-) As the chart explains there are different types of writing for different purposes and subject areas. #engsschat
  • historytechie Jun 25 @ 7:43 PM EDT
    Yes- we have Fishbowls on controversial topics where they also address solutions! #engsschat
    In reply to @CHitch94
  • SBCcampbell Jun 25 @ 7:44 PM EDT
    A5 State testing requirements keep so many teachers from using creative writing. #engsschat
  • GeoJo22 Jun 25 @ 7:44 PM EDT
    A4 I have my high school students RAFT about modern issues like Nafta. They seem to like the choices, but I'm always open to their suggestions. #engsschat
    In reply to @jwkraschnewski
  • kerisavoca Jun 25 @ 7:45 PM EDT
    A5: The pressure to teach argument writing, argument writing, argument writing. That's what's on the tests. Cite sources. "According to..." ๐Ÿคฆ๐Ÿปโ€โ™€๏ธ even the kids resist creative writing because they want to practice for exams. #engsschat
  • historytechie Jun 25 @ 7:45 PM EDT
    A5 The almighty supply and demand issue with classtime, standards, testing, and life. #engsschat
  • mjjohnson1216 Jun 25 @ 7:45 PM EDT
    A5. Here is a terrific resource about using Mentor Text for students to create opinion writing. I ADORE using literature connected with writing. https://t.co/Ck94bTvBdL #engsschat
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:45 PM EDT
    A5) I know that sometimes in the need to get through content, particularly in the face of a high stakes EOC assessment, it can feel like there's not time to do something like creative writing. However, if it helps info stick with students, it's probably worth it. #engsschat
  • jwkraschnewski Jun 25 @ 7:46 PM EDT
    A5 @SBCcampbell Yuuuup. Multiple choice questions and paragraph writing is what my students see on state tests. #engsschat
  • 42ThinkDeep Jun 25 @ 7:46 PM EDT
    I gotta jet - it's bed time and I get to read Llama Llama Red Pajama. That should be an assignment- write children's lit! #engsschat
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:46 PM EDT
    How might creative writing tasks be structured to require some elements of argument writing? Or is there value in doing something different & exercising different "mental muscles?" #engsschat
    • kerisavoca Jun 25 @ 7:45 PM EDT
      A5: The pressure to teach argument writing, argument writing, argument writing. That's what's on the tests. Cite sources. "According to..." ๐Ÿคฆ๐Ÿปโ€โ™€๏ธ even the kids resist creative writing because they want to practice for exams. #engsschat
  • kerisavoca Jun 25 @ 7:47 PM EDT
    The closest I ever came was making them find evidence to defend an absurd conspiracy theory after evaluating evidence from a high-profile trial. #engsschat
    In reply to @CHitch94
  • LiteracyChef Jun 25 @ 7:47 PM EDT
    In btw two chats! Thx #engsschat. Until next time...
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:48 PM EDT
    LOL Good night! I have an ELA colleague who has her Ss work toward the creation of a children's book in one semester of, I think, English 9. #engsschat
    • 42ThinkDeep Jun 25 @ 7:46 PM EDT
      I gotta jet - it's bed time and I get to read Llama Llama Red Pajama. That should be an assignment- write children's lit! #engsschat
  • mjjohnson1216 Jun 25 @ 7:49 PM EDT
    Even though it is not answering a question .... it is hard to beat an article by Schmoker about grading writing https://t.co/IZRax7fK4Z #engsschat
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:50 PM EDT
    Based on Michael's departing point, can you imagine having Ss writing children's books about particular topics/content in various subjects? Might that be a way to collaborate w/ different subject colleagues as well as help Ss in primary grades in your district? #engsschat
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:51 PM EDT
    Q6: What are some ways that ELA and Social Studies teachers can support each other in facilitating creative writing with students? #engsschat
  • MatoacaLitLang Jun 25 @ 7:51 PM EDT
    A5 As a younger teacher, and now sometimes, I do not feel as comfortable teaching CW as I do other things. It wasn't a strength personally or focused upon in teacher prep. Also, most are teaching to whatever the next expectation is, feeling there is little time for CW. #engsschat
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:52 PM EDT
    That's such an important observation. It is hard for us to teach w/ strategies that we didn't experience as Ss or learn about in our preparation. Anyone have suggestions or advice for Matoaca? #engsschat
    • MatoacaLitLang Jun 25 @ 7:51 PM EDT
      A5 As a younger teacher, and now sometimes, I do not feel as comfortable teaching CW as I do other things. It wasn't a strength personally or focused upon in teacher prep. Also, most are teaching to whatever the next expectation is, feeling there is little time for CW. #engsschat
  • jwkraschnewski Jun 25 @ 7:53 PM EDT
    A6 I would think that SS teachers can teach Ss the context or theme and ELA teachers can support the writing? #engsschat
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:54 PM EDT
    I forgot to share this when we were on Q4, but this @Tolerance_org article has some good points to consider about classroom simulations. I wondered if some of them might also apply to creative writing assignments. https://t.co/MgI9rfK03F #engsschat
  • historytechie Jun 25 @ 7:54 PM EDT
    Go to your ELA teachers. I have three rockstars that I'm comfortable going to and we share ideas! #engsschat
    • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:52 PM EDT
      That's such an important observation. It is hard for us to teach w/ strategies that we didn't experience as Ss or learn about in our preparation. Anyone have suggestions or advice for Matoaca? #engsschat
      • MatoacaLitLang Jun 25 @ 7:51 PM EDT
        A5 As a younger teacher, and now sometimes, I do not feel as comfortable teaching CW as I do other things. It wasn't a strength personally or focused upon in teacher prep. Also, most are teaching to whatever the next expectation is, feeling there is little time for CW. #engsschat
  • mjjohnson1216 Jun 25 @ 7:55 PM EDT
    You're welcome! Beginning over a decade ago, when I ran into an amazing article I would bookmark and tag it and then save it into @diigo Now I can quickly search through all of those articles for exactly the info needed. #engsschat
    In reply to @jwkraschnewski, @diigo
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:55 PM EDT
    Great idea! This could offer opportunities for direct collaboration on a particular unit or maybe even more expansive collaboration for entire courses (American literature and U.S. history, for example). #engsschat
    In reply to @jwkraschnewski
  • BraveMsMcMillan Jun 25 @ 7:57 PM EDT
    A6 if assigning creative writing in a ss classroom, ask for the rubrics/standards from the ELA teacher. Then the assignment expectations align with what is expected of in the Ssโ€™s ELA classroom #engsschat
  • historytechie Jun 25 @ 7:57 PM EDT
    A6 Talk to one another & share. We were working on writing w/graphic org. Ss asked if they could use one from ELA. Said yea and opened sharing. #engsschat
  • neycivil Jun 25 @ 7:57 PM EDT
    Paul George De Gea Wily Peralta Taylor Rooks #IRNPOR H.R. 299 #engsschat https://t.co/3bXPsExe1L
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:58 PM EDT
    Great idea! Helps Ss see connections between courses and good writing strategies that can be used in any discipline. #engsschat
    In reply to @historytechie
  • kerisavoca Jun 25 @ 7:58 PM EDT
    A6: Exchange curriculum maps. Coordinate novels with historical time periods. #engsschat
    • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:51 PM EDT
      Q6: What are some ways that ELA and Social Studies teachers can support each other in facilitating creative writing with students? #engsschat
  • mjjohnson1216 Jun 25 @ 7:58 PM EDT
    Sounds interesting .... "Pocket" <-- worth checking out #engsschat
    In reply to @CHitch94, @jwkraschnewski, @diigo
  • historytechie Jun 25 @ 7:58 PM EDT
    Yes- Also discuss common language and terms. I now use CD (concrete detail) and CM (commentary) b/c ELA and Ss get it. #engsschat
    • BraveMsMcMillan Jun 25 @ 7:57 PM EDT
      A6 if assigning creative writing in a ss classroom, ask for the rubrics/standards from the ELA teacher. Then the assignment expectations align with what is expected of in the Ssโ€™s ELA classroom #engsschat
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  • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:59 PM EDT
    Thanks so much for everyone who shared ideas in tonight's #engsschat. I look forward to learning more from you and hope you'll join us on the final Monday in July for our next #engsschat.
  • SBCcampbell Jun 25 @ 7:59 PM EDT
    I agree @jwkraschnewski . We have an awesome pair of 8th grade teachers (one ELA, one SS) who work together often to plan writing. #engsschat
  • classroomtools Jun 25 @ 7:59 PM EDT
    Thanks Chris! See you next week. #engsschat #sschat
    • CHitch94 - Moderator Jun 25 @ 7:59 PM EDT
      Thanks so much for everyone who shared ideas in tonight's #engsschat. I look forward to learning more from you and hope you'll join us on the final Monday in July for our next #engsschat.
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