#EarlyLang Archive

This biweekly chat is for early language educators - FLES and elementary immersion teachers. 2nd and 4th Wednesdays, 8:00-9:00 pm EST

Wednesday December 6, 2017
8:00 PM EST

  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:01 PM EST
    Welcome to #EarlyLang chat! Tonight’s topic is Error Correction in the #Earlylang Classroom!
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:02 PM EST
    Welcome to @MaCristinaRV who's joining the #earlylang team of moderators--she's my co-pilot tonight--so excited!
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Let’s start with some introductions! #earlylang
  • MaCristinaRV Dec 6 @ 8:04 PM EST
    ¡Buenas noches! I’m Cristina from Miami where I teach #earlylang Spanish & tonight I will be taking risks & co-moderating tonight’s chat with moderator @windycityseñora. The topic is error correction. 😊
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:04 PM EST
    I'm Valerie--currently teach upper el and ms Spanish in a Montessori school in Chicago--I've also taught the littles:) #EarlyLang
  • doriecp Dec 6 @ 8:05 PM EST
    Hi everyone! I'm Dorie & I teacher Spanish, grades 1-5 in Glastonbury, CT. I'll be in and out tonight. #earlylang
  • JL_Delf Dec 6 @ 8:05 PM EST
    Hey it's Jenny from NY. It's a busy hour, but I'm trying! #earlylang
  • doriecp Dec 6 @ 8:06 PM EST
    Wow.... clearly I'm more exhausted than I thought. You all can practice your error correction on that tweet. #earlylang
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:06 PM EST
    Glad to see you! #earlylang
    In reply to @JL_Delf
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:06 PM EST
    We will be using a Q1/A1 format. So when answering Question 1, please include A1 in your answer. And don’t forget to use our hashtag! #EarlyLang
  • MundodePepita Dec 6 @ 8:07 PM EST
    Hello! Arriving a few minutes late, sorry! I'm Julie, I teach K-4 Spanish on the coast of Maine :) #earlylang
  • MbiraAbby Dec 6 @ 8:07 PM EST
    Wait, I didn't miss #earlylang chat tonight?! YAY! I teach Spanish 1 grade 8 in Indianapolis, IN. Popping in and out b/c finishing my last research paper of the semester! #gradlife
  • MundodePepita Dec 6 @ 8:08 PM EST
    And welcome @MaCristinaRV to #earlylang team! So incredibly glad to have her!
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:08 PM EST
    OK, here we go, Q1! #earlylang
  • MaryLotusCN Dec 6 @ 8:11 PM EST
    A1Some ppl say that there are no "errors" only "non native-like" utterances in L2. putting this out there as another perspective on Q1 #EarlyLang
  • nathanlutz - Moderator Dec 6 @ 8:12 PM EST
    #earlylang Nathan from NJ. I teach French to Ss in pre-K through grade 5.
  • doriecp Dec 6 @ 8:13 PM EST
    I agree with this. I don't really consider any of my students' output to be "errors". More like opportunities for growth. #earlylang
    In reply to @MaryLotusCN
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:13 PM EST
    I definitely fall into this category--particularly in #earlylang
    • MaryLotusCN Dec 6 @ 8:11 PM EST
      A1Some ppl say that there are no "errors" only "non native-like" utterances in L2. putting this out there as another perspective on Q1 #EarlyLang
  • MundodePepita Dec 6 @ 8:13 PM EST
    A1 When a kiddo utters something that is completely incomprenhensibl and communication cannot flow, that would be a time when I would look to helping a kiddo refine what he/she is attempting to say #earlylang
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:13 PM EST
    It's such a natural, real world way to correct--it's about negotiating meaning. #earlylang
    • MundodePepita Dec 6 @ 8:13 PM EST
      A1 When a kiddo utters something that is completely incomprenhensibl and communication cannot flow, that would be a time when I would look to helping a kiddo refine what he/she is attempting to say #earlylang
  • nathanlutz - Moderator Dec 6 @ 8:14 PM EST
    A1: error correction is a tricky thing for my younger classes. I let a lot slide with he youngest Ss. With older Ss, I correct more #earlylang
  • MbiraAbby Dec 6 @ 8:14 PM EST
    A1 tough to say! Personally, I agree with @MaryLotusCN, but if the vertical articulation of WL programming/common assessments are "old school" accuracy, what to do? #earlylang
  • EarlyLang Dec 6 @ 8:15 PM EST
    Tonight's #EarlyLang chat is sponsored by @EMCSCHOOL! Thank you for your generosity and your support of our mission of fostering a network that empowers educators to advocate for and support early language teaching and learning.
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:15 PM EST
    If you're just jumping in--welcome! We're on Q1 How does error correction fit into the #earlylang classroom?
  • MundodePepita Dec 6 @ 8:15 PM EST
    A1 My goal is to help kiddos get their meaning across, so if they are able to do that, he/she is on target. Refining and tweaking are part of the process, also, I believe, so especially as kids have more experience, I think it is valuable to help w this #earlylang
  • doriecp Dec 6 @ 8:15 PM EST
    A1 With so many kiddos in my #earlylang classes, I can't really focus on individual errors. So error correction for me is more focusing on common patterns of errors.
  • doriecp Dec 6 @ 8:16 PM EST
    And they have to be patterns of errors that interfere with meaning. #earlylang
  • MundodePepita Dec 6 @ 8:16 PM EST
    I think accuracy has it's place, especially as kids advance. And there are some errors that are harder on a native speaker's ears than others, so finding ways to help improve kids skills w those is valuable #earlylang
    In reply to @MbiraAbby, @MaryLotusCN
  • MaCristinaRV Dec 6 @ 8:16 PM EST
    A1: Our #earlylang learners aren't aware of making mistakes and corrections on form don't make sense to them. Modeling, modeling modeling!
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:17 PM EST
    TODAY my colleague @JuanitaGuerita heard multiple ss mispronounce the same word...so she stopped, corrected it for the group, after noting the pattern. The ss started saying it correctly and could then be understood. #earlylang
    • doriecp Dec 6 @ 8:15 PM EST
      A1 With so many kiddos in my #earlylang classes, I can't really focus on individual errors. So error correction for me is more focusing on common patterns of errors.
  • MbiraAbby Dec 6 @ 8:17 PM EST
    A1 same! I'll often write down what I hear or see repetitively as errors, then work those into an editing or "odd one out" activity #EarlyLang
    In reply to @doriecp
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:17 PM EST
    Q2 coming up! #earlylang
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:18 PM EST
  • MundodePepita Dec 6 @ 8:18 PM EST
    A1 I also look to when kids are making errors w vocab we've been using for a long time..if a 4th grader is saying estoy hambre instead of tengo (which we've been using since 1st gr) it's time to correct it #earlylang
  • doriecp Dec 6 @ 8:19 PM EST
    A2 Error correction often discourages risk taking which is fatal to language learning. #earlylang
  • MundodePepita Dec 6 @ 8:20 PM EST
    I have found this works best when I process w a kiddo as to what might be the better or correct answer & guide them to figure it out on their own. If I give general corrections, many kids miss it or don't internalize it. #earlylang
    In reply to @MbiraAbby, @doriecp
  • nathanlutz - Moderator Dec 6 @ 8:21 PM EST
    A2: I fear shutting down a S’s enthusiasm - so I’m careful abt the tone when correcting #earlylang
  • MbiraAbby Dec 6 @ 8:21 PM EST
    A2 hurt feelings! No matter how positive I am, or how many posters about failure leading to success I post, sts still get discouraged when I correct them privately or with whole class #earlylang
  • MundodePepita Dec 6 @ 8:21 PM EST
    A2 The greatest risk is in discouraging a child to try again the next time #earlylang
  • SenoritaBasom Dec 6 @ 8:21 PM EST
    Hi #earlylang chat! Betsy, Spanish G 3-6, from fiery 🔥Los Angeles🔥, joining a little late.
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:21 PM EST
    We're on Q2: What, if any, are some of the negative consequences of error correction for young learners? #earlylang
  • MaryLotusCN Dec 6 @ 8:22 PM EST
    A2 Emotions! They can be such a hurdle to language learning. Ss will absolutely drop a #language if they have negative experiences around it, often as soon as they are able in their particular school system #EarlyLang
  • nathanlutz - Moderator Dec 6 @ 8:22 PM EST
    A2: we also build a culture that mistakes are okay. It’s part of the learning process. Even our head of school talks w/ this language. She calls them “non-successes.” #earlylang
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:22 PM EST
    Welcome!!! #earlylang We're on Q2 What, if any, are some of the negative consequences of error correction for young learners? #earlylang
    In reply to @SenoritaBasom
  • MundodePepita Dec 6 @ 8:22 PM EST
    #earlylang tone and facial expression make all the difference! and a 'you silly goose!' or 'of course our brains arent' computers, they can't get everything right!
    In reply to @nathanlutz
  • MundodePepita Dec 6 @ 8:22 PM EST
    great to see you! #earlylang
    In reply to @SenoritaBasom
  • doriecp Dec 6 @ 8:23 PM EST
    A2 Also, when people correct my own errors, I always wonder "are they listening to my message or do they only care about my grammar?" I want my students to know what they say matters. #earlylang
  • MundodePepita Dec 6 @ 8:23 PM EST
    I think part of the key here is the relationships and trust we build w our students. If they know we are on their side, they are far more able to hear a correction from us. #earlylang
    In reply to @MaryLotusCN
  • nathanlutz - Moderator Dec 6 @ 8:23 PM EST
    A2: I’ve taught preK through college. It seems like #earlylang Ss are the most receptive to error correction.
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:24 PM EST
    For me this really applies to my middle school students, and is imprtnt for me to remember! #earlylang
    • doriecp Dec 6 @ 8:23 PM EST
      A2 Also, when people correct my own errors, I always wonder "are they listening to my message or do they only care about my grammar?" I want my students to know what they say matters. #earlylang
  • MaCristinaRV Dec 6 @ 8:24 PM EST
    A2: interrupting students mid sentence interrupts the flow of thought. Allow them to finish and then work on clarification of meaning. #earlylang
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:24 PM EST
    This is also my experience:) #earlylang
  • nathanlutz - Moderator Dec 6 @ 8:24 PM EST
    A2: I think the type of error correction matters too. It seems Ss more receptive to verbal than written #earlylang
  • MundodePepita Dec 6 @ 8:24 PM EST
    #earlylang we talk about this all the time in my school-mistakes are part of learning. Rather than make it a bad thing, or taboo, we can honor them & integrate them in a positive way into the culture of our classes
    In reply to @nathanlutz
  • SenoritaBasom Dec 6 @ 8:25 PM EST
    A2 #earlylang I’ve had parents who correct their children’s Spanish errors at home tell me that their child doesn’t want to speak in Spanish anymore. They often want to know what to do next.
  • doriecp Dec 6 @ 8:25 PM EST
    I agree with this, up until they hit puberty. Puberty is the game-changer. They begin to become self conscience and less willing to take risks. #earlylang
    In reply to @nathanlutz
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:25 PM EST
    It can be pretty discouraging to get a work back that's covered in teacher's markings...#earlylang
    In reply to @nathanlutz
  • nathanlutz - Moderator Dec 6 @ 8:26 PM EST
    A2: off topic: my Ss live to make funny “mistakes” to be funny: “Puis-je aller boire aux toilettes?” Is a recurring fave. #earlylang
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:26 PM EST
    Q3 is on its way! #earlylang
  • MundodePepita Dec 6 @ 8:27 PM EST
    #earlylang bathroom humor & jokes /mistakes run rampant w my kids, too lol
    In reply to @nathanlutz
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:28 PM EST
  • MbiraAbby Dec 6 @ 8:29 PM EST
    A2 this reminded me of a math teacher who does a "my favorite mistake" as a bellringer each day to honor good thinking, even though answer is wrong. Class talks through mistake to get to the right answer. Application to WL? #earlylang
    In reply to @windycitysenora, @nathanlutz
  • nathanlutz - Moderator Dec 6 @ 8:29 PM EST
    A3: WL Ts typically use recasts - which statistically result in weaker uptake than other types of corrections. #guilty #earlylang
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:30 PM EST
    I think so! Especially if it's on a high frequency, patterned error--no? #earlylang
    In reply to @MbiraAbby, @nathanlutz
  • MundodePepita Dec 6 @ 8:31 PM EST
    A3 As I mentioned earlier, processing w a kiddo as to what would be the better option has the most effect in my classes. Restating an answer correctly, on the other hand, has the least unless I specifically point out what I'm pointing out #earlylang
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:31 PM EST
    Teachers often use techniques they heard/saw as students...recast. #earlylang
  • SenoritaBasom Dec 6 @ 8:31 PM EST
    A3 #earlylang One way of feedback: If I get the gist of what they are saying, I affirm with a “¡Sí!” and repeat what they just said in a different way. Sometimes they pick up and repeat.
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:32 PM EST
    A3: What do we think of instead of giving direct correction, coming back with more CI that keeps allowing for repeated exposure the vocab, lang chunk we're aiming for? #earlylang
  • MaCristinaRV Dec 6 @ 8:32 PM EST
    A3: For older Ss, a request for clarification sends the students the message that meaning was not understood therefore, it needs to be reformulated. #earlylang
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:33 PM EST
    We're on Q3: What types of error correction/feedback are most effective/appropriate in #earlylang?
  • MbiraAbby Dec 6 @ 8:34 PM EST
    A3 taken from a SIOP PD, for reading/writing: groups edit 2 versions of a text, underlined phrases (chosen b/c of errors sts making) could be correct or incorrect. #EarlyLang
  • doriecp Dec 6 @ 8:34 PM EST
    Yes, I believe errors are just a sign they haven't had sufficient input with that word/grammar structure. More input and they'll get there. #earlylang
    In reply to @windycitysenora
  • MundodePepita Dec 6 @ 8:34 PM EST
    Definitely, particularly at younger ages. As the teacher, you just need to monitor to see if the errors are switching over to more correct utterances. If they aren't then at some point I think a more direct approach is needed. #earlylang
    In reply to @windycitysenora
  • MaryLotusCN Dec 6 @ 8:35 PM EST
    A3 Is it cheating to figure out which structure the students are getting "wrong" and finding ways to repeat the native-like structure over and over? Correction without being explicit? e.g. getting in lots of reps of "yo TENGO hambre" #EarlyLang
  • SenoritaBasom Dec 6 @ 8:35 PM EST
    A3 #earlylang Another fun way to give feedback: I show them silly mistakes and have them point out to everyone why they don’t make sense.
  • MundodePepita Dec 6 @ 8:36 PM EST
    I would add that I have seen many adults spend time overseas in immersion settings where there is tons of input but no correction, & though they can be understood, their grammar is atrocious. #earlylang
    In reply to @windycitysenora
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:36 PM EST
    NOT cheating! Helping:) The ss may just need that--more input #earlylang
    In reply to @MaryLotusCN
  • nathanlutz - Moderator Dec 6 @ 8:37 PM EST
    I have to dig out the research but I think that this type of correction leads to low rates of uptake; my recollection is that the types of feedback/correction that indicate there is an issue but the Ss corrects herself are the most effective for long term learning #Earlylang
    In reply to @windycitysenora
  • MbiraAbby Dec 6 @ 8:37 PM EST
    A3 yes! & more CI in a context that possibly touches on the interests of sts needing more input benefits the whole class! #EarlyLang
    In reply to @windycitysenora
  • SenoritaBasom Dec 6 @ 8:38 PM EST
    A3 #earlylang One more way of feedback: I tell the whole class about a time when I made a particular mistake (usually a cultural one à la “Tésis de Nancy” style) and then let them discover and share if they might have done the same or something similar.
  • MbiraAbby Dec 6 @ 8:39 PM EST
    A3 YAS! I've used this #EarlyLang
    In reply to @SenoritaBasom
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:40 PM EST
    I have def. experienced this with my older ss--after more explicit correction where the ss make the change, I notice them self correcting more and using the more accurate form. #earlylang
    In reply to @nathanlutz
  • SenoritaBasom Dec 6 @ 8:40 PM EST
    If you don’t know about Tésis de Nancy: it is a hilarious book in Spanish about a non-native speaker living in Spain who terribly misunderstands so many things! #earlylang
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:41 PM EST
    Here we go with Q4: #earlylang
  • nathanlutz - Moderator Dec 6 @ 8:41 PM EST
    Elicitation as a Corrective Feedback leads to uptake in 100% of cases; Recasts as a CF leads to uptake in 31% of cases. #Earlylang
    In reply to @windycitysenora
  • doriecp Dec 6 @ 8:41 PM EST
    A5. Always. #earlylang
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:42 PM EST
    Can you give an example to help understand what that might look like? #earlylang
    In reply to @nathanlutz
  • MaryLotusCN Dec 6 @ 8:44 PM EST
    A4 100% of the time. If we are not using a language to communicate, what is the point? #EarlyLang
  • doriecp Dec 6 @ 8:44 PM EST
    To expand, accuracy is important at higher levels, certainly not novice & intermediate. But no matter what, message is more important. Unless accuracy is affecting the message, the message is what I'd prefer to focus on. Even online, no one likes a grammar troll. #earlylang
  • EarlyLang Dec 6 @ 8:45 PM EST
    Tonight's #EarlyLang chat summary will be available next week on https://t.co/7c7G8NdlUn
  • nathanlutz - Moderator Dec 6 @ 8:45 PM EST
    Teacher repeats statement and stops before error Student: “I have already went to the movies.” Teacher: “I have already. . .” (and then gesture there's an issue) #Earlylang
    In reply to @windycitysenora
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:46 PM EST
    More accuracy is one of the markers of Advanced level. This was a good reminder for me this fall. #earlylang
    • doriecp Dec 6 @ 8:44 PM EST
      To expand, accuracy is important at higher levels, certainly not novice & intermediate. But no matter what, message is more important. Unless accuracy is affecting the message, the message is what I'd prefer to focus on. Even online, no one likes a grammar troll. #earlylang
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:46 PM EST
    Thank you! #earlylang
    In reply to @nathanlutz
  • MaCristinaRV Dec 6 @ 8:47 PM EST
    A4: Making errors is a sign that they're taking risks. Focusing on accuracy will discourage #earlylang learners from attempting to communicate.
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:47 PM EST
    Tonight's chat is flying by--It's already time for Q5! #earlylang
  • doriecp Dec 6 @ 8:47 PM EST
    Sure... we'd have to shorten it though. Message > Accuracy #earlylang
    In reply to @nathanlutz
  • MbiraAbby Dec 6 @ 8:47 PM EST
    A4 totally agree @doriecp and use performance rubrics to show sts that accuracy is such a small slice of what is assessed & valued #EarlyLang
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:48 PM EST
    Here we go Q5 #earlylang
  • nathanlutz - Moderator Dec 6 @ 8:48 PM EST
    a4: I think teaching at the #EarlyLang level has trained me to be more tolerant of errors that don't impede comprehensibility. As long as I understand what you mean, I'm encouraging
  • doriecp Dec 6 @ 8:50 PM EST
    See?? No one even corrected my error that I wrote "A5" instead of "A4". The message was more important. oops! #earlylang
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:50 PM EST
    Tonight's chat really highlights what I still have to learn around core practice of feedback/error correction...so grateful for #earlylang chat
  • MundodePepita Dec 6 @ 8:51 PM EST
    A5 The foundation is a room where kids feel loved & valued; the relationships w kids & the trust you develop fosters an environment where risks can take place because it's safe to do so #earlylang
  • mariasolehannah Dec 6 @ 8:51 PM EST
    A4: I really believe social communication is very important when you are learning a language. In my classroom it doesn't matter if you speak incorrectly as long as you keep working and trying #earlylang
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:51 PM EST
    A5 I think class culture--which we chatted about recently-- is everything here. #earlylang
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:53 PM EST
    We're rounding out the evening on Q5: How do you create a classroom environment where students feel comfortable to take risks in language production? #earlylang
  • MaCristinaRV Dec 6 @ 8:53 PM EST
    A5: Steer the focus away from markings and the fear of failing. Have Ss reflect on their learning and language growth. Make them aware of what they already know and the steps to take to move on to the next level. Share with them the process of SLA. #earlylang
  • MaryLotusCN Dec 6 @ 8:54 PM EST
    Since we are #EarlyLang, I believe in a dose of silliness! It gets everyone relaxed.
  • MundodePepita Dec 6 @ 8:54 PM EST
    A5 Fostering & supporting the idea that errors are a part of the learning process, rather than a bad thing. They help us to learn what to do and what not to do, & guide us forward. #earlylang
  • MundodePepita Dec 6 @ 8:55 PM EST
    I second this!!! #earlylang
    In reply to @MaryLotusCN
  • nathanlutz - Moderator Dec 6 @ 8:55 PM EST
    A5: smile and nod a lot. Build a relationship with every student #EarlyLang
  • SenoritaBasom Dec 6 @ 8:55 PM EST
    A5 #earlylang You have to know your students well- their social emotional growth is just as important as their academic growth. A close classroom community leads to more participation and a willingness to be vulnerable in front of others.
  • nathanlutz - Moderator Dec 6 @ 8:56 PM EST
    A5: Let Ss know that you make mistakes too. We’re all human. Well, except for the grammar trolls #EarlyLang
  • mariasolehannah Dec 6 @ 8:56 PM EST
    A5: You need to know your students and build relationships. Getting involved in their lives make a big difference, when you show them you care and love them, the trust begins. Going to their games, eating lunch with them,making learning engaged makes a big difference #earlylang
  • MbiraAbby Dec 6 @ 8:57 PM EST
    A5 affective activities to build community & trust among sts, and btw teacher & sts #restorativepractices #EarlyLang
  • windycitysenora Dec 6 @ 8:57 PM EST
    I can't believe it's already time for some Reflaction! (Reflection +Action) #earlylang
  • MundodePepita Dec 6 @ 8:58 PM EST
    I've come to understand the trust piece is the biggest slice of the pie. So many kids come to school having untrustworthy adults in their lives outside of school; they don't know how to trust an adult, or whether they even should #earlylang
    In reply to @SenoritaBasom
  • EduGladiators Dec 6 @ 8:59 PM EST
    🍎 #EduGladiators continues our December series: 'Making an Impact' SATURDAY with our CORE Warrior @SaneeBell leading the convo on The Power of Teacher Engagement! #Fledchat #earlylang #miched #suptchat #fearlessedchat #bmoreedchat #ohedchat #educoach #scitlap #arvrinedu #ptchat
  • MundodePepita Dec 6 @ 8:59 PM EST
    Yes, indeed! #earlylang
    In reply to @windycitysenora, @SenoritaBasom
  • EarlyLang Dec 6 @ 9:00 PM EST
    The #EarlyLang chat is taking a hiatus for the winter break. We'll be back on Jan 17 - the topic will be using technology in the early language classroom. What will you have to say? Join us! In the meantime, add to our @instagram using #EarlyLang https://t.co/yQByKuXEGe