#RuralEdChat Archive

#RuralEdChat is a chat that focuses on the needs of the rural educator. This chat has been revised by Tammy Neil (@MathNeil), John Martin (@edventures) and Natalee Stotz (@nataleestotz).

Tuesday December 11, 2018
8:30 PM EST

  • robinhosemann - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:30 PM EST
    Good evening, #RuralEdChat community. How are you all doing?
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:32 PM EST
    Hello, #RuralEdChat I'm Tammy. Today was a great day! Tomorrow is going to be great as well.
  • robinhosemann - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:33 PM EST
    Let us know where you are joining from tonight. I'm actually leading #ruraledchat from Chicago tonight, which might be a first for our crew! Usually I tune in from Driftless WI.
  • ruttenlj Dec 11 @ 8:33 PM EST
    Hi #RuralEdChat! Wrapping up finals week @PSU_CollegeOfEd, and just had an IRB approved for a study next semester - it's a good week!
    In reply to @robinhosemann, @PSU_CollegeOfEd
  • 937Nathan Dec 11 @ 8:33 PM EST
    Howdy All! Nate here - all is well! #RuralEdChat
  • robinhosemann - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:34 PM EST
    Hey, friend! Good to hear you are having a great day. It's nice to be tuning into Twitter for a bit. Have been away from this space and feeling a little out of the loop! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @TG_Neil
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:34 PM EST
    I'm joining in from my usual spot in the recliner in Live Oak, FL. #RuralEdChat
  • 937Nathan Dec 11 @ 8:34 PM EST
    Nate from SW Ohio joining in #RuralEdChat
  • Missclwest Dec 11 @ 8:34 PM EST
    Hi #ruraledchat, I'm joining you from Cincinnati Ohio.
  • robinhosemann - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:34 PM EST
    Hey, Nate! Glad you could be here and good to hear all is well. :) #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @937Nathan
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:35 PM EST
    It is easy to get out of the loop. Good news is that it's just as easy to get back into the flow. Glad you are here and leading. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @robinhosemann
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:35 PM EST
    Glad everything is going well for you. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @937Nathan
  • ruttenlj Dec 11 @ 8:36 PM EST
    Joining tonight from State College, PA. Glad to see you again! #ruraledchat
  • robinhosemann - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:36 PM EST
    Great to hear! Wrapping up finals is a good feeling. I have a few to go yet. Thanks for being here. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @ruttenlj, @PSU_CollegeOfEd
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:37 PM EST
    Logan! So glad you have dropped by. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @ruttenlj
  • robinhosemann - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:38 PM EST
    Question 1 will be up in a minute or two. We can use the ol' Q1/A1 format, and please remember to tag your comments with #ruraledchat for our conversation tonight.
  • blambson Dec 11 @ 8:39 PM EST
    Barry Lambson, Holbrook AZ IT Director.#RuralEdChat
    In reply to @robinhosemann
  • robinhosemann - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:40 PM EST
    Q1 What does authenticity mean in your work as an educator? How do you define it for yourself? #RuralEdChat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:41 PM EST
    That's one of the great things about Twitter Chats. They are all open to everyone. Allows us to grow from a diverse group of ideas. #RuralEdChat
    • ruttenlj Dec 11 @ 8:40 PM EST
      Thanks, Tammy! Great to see you again! I learn so much in these conversations, and they pull me out of my "silo."
      In reply to @TG_Neil
  • korytellers Dec 11 @ 8:41 PM EST
    I would love to participate tonight, but this is my view right now. #GymnasticsMom #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @TG_Neil, @RuralEdChat, @robinhosemann, @nataleestotz, @try_rebooting, @937Nathan, @edventures, @Rural_Schools, @blambson, @CoreyAppelbaum
  • robinhosemann - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:42 PM EST
    Kory! Hi! Hope the meet goes well and thanks for your devoted check-ins with #RuralEdChat We appreciate you! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @korytellers, @TG_Neil, @RuralEdChat, @nataleestotz, @try_rebooting, @937Nathan, @edventures, @Rural_Schools, @blambson, @CoreyAppelbaum
  • ruttenlj Dec 11 @ 8:44 PM EST
    A1: I think it means knowing clearly what aspects of my identity I want to share in the professional space that is a classroom, then being joyful in sharing those aspects. It might mean nerding out over something or being vulnerable in thinking with students. #ruraledchat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:45 PM EST
    A1: Authenticity means I speak honestly and openly and with respect about whatever topic my students and I need to discuss. #RuralEdChat
  • Missclwest Dec 11 @ 8:45 PM EST
    #ruraledchat A1: Being an Authentic Educator for me is being open and honest with your students, and being able to relate to them and their situations. I always try my best to see the students view point of things
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:46 PM EST
    That's a great view. We will see you back soon enough. Enjoy! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @korytellers, @RuralEdChat, @robinhosemann, @nataleestotz, @try_rebooting, @937Nathan, @edventures, @Rural_Schools, @blambson, @CoreyAppelbaum
  • blambson Dec 11 @ 8:47 PM EST
    A1: I think it means avoiding the pitfall of FOMO. You don't have to be involved in everything, especially the stuff you just have a passing interest in. #ruraledchat
    In reply to @robinhosemann
  • 937Nathan Dec 11 @ 8:47 PM EST
    A1: Authenticity as an educator is recognizing the realities that come with the profession - and allowing your students to see and be a part of the process. #RuralEdChat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:49 PM EST
    A1b: Authenticity also means I am clear with my students about how much I'm willing to share about my own life. Not everything is open for discussion. This also helps them realize they don't have to tell everyone everything. #RuralEdChat
  • 937Nathan Dec 11 @ 8:49 PM EST
    A1: Authenticity in education places the learner as the focus - adapting to the realities they face day-to-day and what they will face down the road. #RuralEdChat
  • robinhosemann - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:50 PM EST
    Q2 What are some of the challenges of showing up to the work of education with authenticity? What might others not "get" about this? #RuralEdChat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:52 PM EST
    A2: It is difficult for me to be excited about holidays in public because I don't want it to appear that I don't want to be at school. I can enjoy my job but also enjoy time off. #RuralEdChat
  • ruttenlj Dec 11 @ 8:52 PM EST
    A2: Big challenge: authenticity can't be standardized. It means my classroom will look different from yours, and that's okay. It means I may build relationships with Ss differently than you, and that's okay too - a strength, in fact. #ruraledchat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:52 PM EST
    Truth!!! #RuralEdChat
    • ruttenlj Dec 11 @ 8:52 PM EST
      A2: Big challenge: authenticity can't be standardized. It means my classroom will look different from yours, and that's okay. It means I may build relationships with Ss differently than you, and that's okay too - a strength, in fact. #ruraledchat
  • blambson Dec 11 @ 8:53 PM EST
    A2: In classroom I observe I actually see teachers talking with a "falsetto." IOW they seem worried that being themselves will lose educational value. This is so contrary to the truth! Just be human! #ruraledchat
    In reply to @robinhosemann
  • 937Nathan Dec 11 @ 8:53 PM EST
    A2: Authenticity builds relationships due to the collaboration with Ss for an authentic learning environment. Some within the profession struggle with this process. #RuralEdChat
  • robinhosemann - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:53 PM EST
    That's a really important point. Maybe that's why many folks struggle with it in a field that often banks on standardization of as much as possible. Thanks for putting this into words, Logan. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @ruttenlj
  • Missclwest Dec 11 @ 8:54 PM EST
    It is being there and standing behind your beliefs that you are doing what's best for your students, even if the majority of the others are doing it a different way. #ruraledchat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:54 PM EST
    A2b: I've also been asked (told) to teach skills on a standardized test even though I know those skills don't always lead students to the next level of understanding. (Teaching to the test.) Not always easy to overcome. #RuralEdChat
  • robinhosemann - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:55 PM EST
    Yes. Compliance with the structure/expectations of a position that conflict with what you know in your professional heart. I get this for sure. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @TG_Neil
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:55 PM EST
    We just have to keep showing them. #RuralEdChat
    • ruttenlj Dec 11 @ 8:54 PM EST
      So true at this time of year! But having Ss see us as members of multiple communities outside school is, I think, valuable.
      In reply to @TG_Neil
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:57 PM EST
    Many times (especially in small communities) we are connected online to our communities in a variety of ways. Showing too much enthusiasm for a holiday can be taken as not wanting to do your job. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @blambson
  • robinhosemann - Moderator Dec 11 @ 9:00 PM EST
    Q3 What does authentic engagement of learners in your space look like or involve? #RuralEdChat
  • 937Nathan Dec 11 @ 9:02 PM EST
    Without a doubt, it needs to be taught . . . #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @robinhosemann
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 11 @ 9:02 PM EST
    A3: Authentic engagement in my classroom isn't my students sitting in rows and quietly taking notes or doing a worksheet. Authentic engagement may sound like students having a casual conversation while working through a problem. #RuralEdChat
  • robinhosemann - Moderator Dec 11 @ 9:02 PM EST
    What does that look like? Could be a topic for additional chats! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @937Nathan
  • blambson Dec 11 @ 9:04 PM EST
    A3: For us it mens a true back and forth. Which can be difficult to initiate, but so worth it. #ruraledchat
    In reply to @robinhosemann
  • Missclwest Dec 11 @ 9:04 PM EST
    #ruraledchat Authentic engagment of the learners in my space is having them excited to start the day, allowing them to learn on their terms (as much as possible) and also incorporating new ways and different methods to encourage them.
  • ruttenlj Dec 11 @ 9:04 PM EST
    A3: It involves making space for personalities. I taught high school Latin - not obviously tons of space for the authentic self within a discipline with clear right/wrong answers - but plenty of space for how Ss come to that body of knowledge in meaningful ways. #ruraledchat
  • 937Nathan Dec 11 @ 9:05 PM EST
    Sounds like a perfect topic . . . Just thinking on what authentic looks like in SW Ohio vs in Appalachia when visiting relatives. There is a difference! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @robinhosemann
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 11 @ 9:05 PM EST
    A3b: Authentic engagement also means students knowing HOW to have a meaningful conversation with someone (teacher or other student) about what the student needs. Self-advocacy is critical. #RuralEdChat
  • 937Nathan Dec 11 @ 9:08 PM EST
    A3: Authentic engagement involves conversations that go beyond the content - getting to know them in order to build those connections - develop needed relationships. #RuralEdChat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 11 @ 9:09 PM EST
    Thankfully, my admins understand this. When they come in, they want to hear the kids discussing things with each other. Occasional off topic discussion is okay as long as we are progressing. #RuralEdChat
    • ruttenlj Dec 11 @ 9:07 PM EST
      Critical that admin recognize this: a loud classroom doesn't mean an out-of-control classroom!
      In reply to @TG_Neil
  • robinhosemann - Moderator Dec 11 @ 9:10 PM EST
    Q4 We agree that authenticity on the part of the educator and authentic engagement by students are important. How do we assess these things or measure growth? #ruraledchat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 11 @ 9:12 PM EST
    A4: Authentic assessment involves giving students an opportunity to truly show what they've learned. Including them in the process helps them realize how important the knowledge is. #RuralEdChat
  • Missclwest Dec 11 @ 9:13 PM EST
    #ruraledchat A4 : I am a student right now, I am learning of different methods to help me in the future, one of these is assessing the students. In my technology class we have learned that there are websites and ways to post videos so students have fun but we still get the data
  • ruttenlj Dec 11 @ 9:14 PM EST
    A4: Assessing/measuring authenticity - highly subjective. Would it even be authentic to pin down authenticity and quantify it? I'd look for circumstantial evidence: smiles, laughter, nodding... the signs of a genuine conversation. #ruraledchat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 11 @ 9:17 PM EST
    #RuralEdChat
    • ruttenlj Dec 11 @ 9:16 PM EST
      Great points, and @TG_Neil is so right when she mentions involving students in the conversation about assessment. We can ask: "How could you show what you've learned about X?" Then really listen, and see what they come up with!
      In reply to @Missclwest, @TG_Neil
  • 937Nathan Dec 11 @ 9:17 PM EST
    A4: Do we see that #FallForward mentality - have students developed #Grit and a #GrowthMindset - not something a standardized test can measure. Only an authentic relationships will provide the needed insight. #RuralEdChat
  • blambson Dec 11 @ 9:18 PM EST
    A4: I think it comes down to did you know them like your own kids. Can't help but say that there has to be a personal connection made. #ruraledchat
    In reply to @robinhosemann
  • robinhosemann - Moderator Dec 11 @ 9:19 PM EST
    and I think of how important it is to understand barriers to authentic acheivement in terms of these aspects, too. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @937Nathan
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 11 @ 9:20 PM EST
    A4: I think authentic assessments also occur when we reach beyond a skill set and look at application of the skill set. Can our students incorporate their learning into their daily lives? Doesn't work on every skill set but where it does, it can be amazing. #RuralEdChat
  • robinhosemann - Moderator Dec 11 @ 9:21 PM EST
    As we round the bend on our time together, any other thoughts on authenticity and education? #RuralEdChat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 11 @ 9:22 PM EST
    I am reminded of the moment this morning in which I solved a problem that had been bugging me for a few days. I actually whooped out loud. Students laughed but then asked me what was up. Great moment. #RuralEdChat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 11 @ 9:23 PM EST
    #RuralEdChat
    • ruttenlj Dec 11 @ 9:22 PM EST
      And also when we look back at how the goal was originally framed. Was it cognitive? Behavioral? Affective? I'd speculate that what's authentic would mirror the goal to some extent.
      In reply to @TG_Neil
  • ruttenlj Dec 11 @ 9:24 PM EST
    Final thought: Last year I took a class on place-based education. I don't work in that field, but the class reminds me often that much learning is emplaced, contextual, local, specific. To be authentic would be to honor that way of viewing learning. #ruraledchat
  • robinhosemann - Moderator Dec 11 @ 9:24 PM EST
    I'm thinking about how easy it is to recognize authenticity in education and often how rare it can be in some settings. Feeling grateful to be a part of a conversation here tonight with you all about this. #RuralEdChat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Dec 11 @ 9:25 PM EST
    Thanks @robinhosemann for a great #RuralEdChat So much to think about.
  • robinhosemann - Moderator Dec 11 @ 9:28 PM EST
    Thanks for being here, everyone. We look forward to seeing you again soon. Keep on being yourselves and bringing those gifts to your work. #RuralEdChat
  • 937Nathan Dec 11 @ 9:28 PM EST
    Thanks @robinhosemann for guiding the #ruraledchat