#425chat Archive

This is a chat for football coaches to discuss the 4-2-5 defense on Thursday at 8PM CT

Thursday December 14, 2017
9:00 PM EST

  • CoachAltmanWM Dec 14 @ 9:00 PM EST
    Rob Altman DL West Memphis AR #425chat
  • mikestauffer Dec 14 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Mike Stauffer, DC/LB #425chat
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:01 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @dhan561
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:01 PM EST
    #425chat
    • FalconCoach63 Dec 14 @ 9:00 PM EST
      Mike Feigel LB coach Perry Meridian HS Indianapolis
      In reply to @Def425chat
  • coachcoker02 Dec 14 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Brian Coker, Head Football Coach at Borger High school, Borger, TX #425chat
  • Coach_ZC Dec 14 @ 9:02 PM EST
    Zach Carlton - DC/DB's - Palmer Ridge HS, CO #425chat
  • Dsell75 Dec 14 @ 9:02 PM EST
    David Sell Asst. HC/Co-DC. DEs, Palo Duro HS Amarillo, Tx. #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • MrCoachAustin Dec 14 @ 9:02 PM EST
    Joe Austin Co-DC/DL Coach Williamsport High, MD #425chat
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:02 PM EST
    Be sure to use the #425chat in EVERY post so it doesn’t get lost in the twitterverse
  • rmacblue Dec 14 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Ryan McCartney DC Salem HS, Salem IN #425chat
  • JoshLehde Dec 14 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Josh Lehde DC at Early HS #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Grow your network by following your peers #425chat
  • FootballXandOs Dec 14 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Dan Paplaczyk - Former Offense Coach - Former Defense Coach - Knower of Somethings, Learner of More Things #425chat
  • Derick_Pitts Dec 14 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Derick Pitts D.C. Lincoln College Preparatory Academy KCMO #425chat
  • Coach_DeVellis Dec 14 @ 9:05 PM EST
    Joe DeVellis DC at Westhill High School, Stamford CT #425chat
  • coachjwoodall Dec 14 @ 9:05 PM EST
    #425chat Spartanburg HS, DC
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:06 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @CoachNahum60
  • coachcasey14 Dec 14 @ 9:07 PM EST
    Jeff Casey Head Coach at Treynor HS in Iowa #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • CoachCurran42 Dec 14 @ 9:07 PM EST
    Bobby Curran, STC/OLB Coach, Gilman School, MD #425chat
  • Tsuff65 Dec 14 @ 9:07 PM EST
    Trevor Suffal OC Adamson High School, Dallas, Tx needs some followers! #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • coachjocksample Dec 14 @ 9:07 PM EST
    Joaquin Sample Free Agent DL Coach Macon, Georgia #425chat
  • CoachElder54 Dec 14 @ 9:08 PM EST
    Zach Elder Currently DC trying to become punting coach at Taft HS #425chat
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:08 PM EST
    Q1 coming up in 2 minutes! #425chat
  • CoachEthanSmith Dec 14 @ 9:09 PM EST
    Ethan Smith West Plains HS West Plains, MO DBs/JV DC #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • CoachBradShea Dec 14 @ 9:10 PM EST
    Brad Shea DL @ Dallas Skyline #425chat
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:10 PM EST
    #425chat
    • _coachgibbslv Dec 14 @ 9:09 PM EST
      Maurice Gibbs Shadow Ridge High School Las Vegas, NV DL
      In reply to @Def425chat
  • coachjlord Dec 14 @ 9:10 PM EST
    Jacob Lord Jeff Davis High School GA DC #425chat
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:10 PM EST
    Q1: What is your favorite/most successful coverage you have run and why do you run it? #425chat
  • FootballXandOs Dec 14 @ 9:11 PM EST
    @Def425chat I have an upgraded logo for you. That one is from my site, here is a better one... #425chat
  • rmacblue Dec 14 @ 9:12 PM EST
    A1: Split Coverage - gives us 3 over 2 and 2 over 1 with options. #425chat
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:12 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @dhan561
  • FootballXandOs Dec 14 @ 9:12 PM EST
    A1: Quarters. It is incredibly flexible which means once we teach the rules how we want to, it can be a Cover 2, Cover 4, Fire Zone, Match Coverage, Half Field Coverage, Trap Coverage, and can align to all formations. #425chat
  • coachjlord Dec 14 @ 9:13 PM EST
    We are a quarters based team but run split field coverages. Our favorite is a 2 read concept. Allows you not to chase the out route/crosser in man #425chat
  • coachcasey14 Dec 14 @ 9:13 PM EST
    We teach Robber coverage on Day 1. We play in a run dominant district and I want that FS in the box as quickly as possible. #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • FalconCoach63 Dec 14 @ 9:13 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • Coach_ZC Dec 14 @ 9:13 PM EST
    A1) Bracket, man, and fire zone concepts fit us well this year. #425chat
  • DrIronstein Dec 14 @ 9:13 PM EST
    Hunter Adams DC Stanhope Elmore High School, Millbrook AL #425chat #lockdown
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:14 PM EST
    Fantastic. We have a robber coverage question coming up! #425chat
    In reply to @coachcasey14
  • The_Coach_A Dec 14 @ 9:14 PM EST
    A1: Sky or 4-Read. It's essentially man. Easy to teach, adaptive, & a plethora of adjustments off it (ex - Press Quarters). #425chat
  • coachjwoodall Dec 14 @ 9:15 PM EST
    #425chat A1 favorite coverage= 2 Read I think it handles anything you see Caveat: I coach in a spread heavy passing league
  • CoachBradShea Dec 14 @ 9:15 PM EST
    A1: Quarters gives us more fitters vs run game #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:15 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @HinnerIsland43
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:16 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @CoachRichNCHS
  • The_Coach_A Dec 14 @ 9:16 PM EST
    Read is a great HS coverage. Helps vs Nows & allows the OLBs to be fast force players. Deep safeties help with keeping the top on. #425chat
    In reply to @coachjlord
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:16 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @coach_comptonDC
  • CoachJayWilson Dec 14 @ 9:16 PM EST
    Auto/RipLiz Match. Run sound. Pattern matching. Free player. Man principles vs zone beating routes, zone integrity vs man beating routes. Can make it look like anything pre-snap. Multiple checks for different style offenses. Beautiful when executed well. Also love Rat #425chat
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:16 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @CoachNahum60
  • CoachRichNCHS Dec 14 @ 9:16 PM EST
    A1: We teach a Cover 2 Read as our base in camp. Change based on our kids. We run a match alignment principle that forces all DBs to know every spot in our coverages. #425chat
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:16 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @bloodygangster
  • coachcoker02 Dec 14 @ 9:16 PM EST
    A1. we play read (palms or blue) coverage to 2x2. Easy for us to teach and able to stay 2 high. Match up routes within 5 yards. All indy drills work off 1 of 4 reads by #2 rec. #425chat
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:16 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @CoachEthanSmith
  • HinnerIsland43 Dec 14 @ 9:17 PM EST
    We face everything from wing T to spread. Against spread we run a split coverage, that is based off of tendencies and formation. That worked really well when we finally got a hang of it, this year was the first we ran a 4-2-5. Wing T teams it’s all basic coverages. #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:17 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @Coach_DeVellis
  • mikestauffer Dec 14 @ 9:17 PM EST
    A1: Ran a lot of 3 which we play straight up and zone blitz from; like 2 high most- keep everything in front of you... #425chat
  • MrCoachAustin Dec 14 @ 9:17 PM EST
    2/4 read and split field coverages. Found a lot of success from @The_Coach_A match quarters concepts. It was versatile for everyone we played, but also improved the overall football IQ of our secondary #425chat
  • DrIronstein Dec 14 @ 9:18 PM EST
    A1: Cover 3 Match, can defend verticals from 1 high look, always keeps six in the box , and easy to build off of for trips checks and split field coverages. #425chat **But I ❤️me some cover 0**
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • CoachElder54 Dec 14 @ 9:18 PM EST
    Quarters. Allows us to pattern match easily. It was something we had not played a lot of in the past but was an easy adjustment for our guys. #425chat
  • coachwallace_ Dec 14 @ 9:19 PM EST
    A1: Quarters or 3match to 2x2 - 3Match we have the roll safety read off #2, if he's vertical the safety takes him if #2 goes out safety rolls & takes him, we keep safety high to disguises what coverage we are in. The safeties are aggressive in the ally for run support #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • The_Coach_A Dec 14 @ 9:19 PM EST
    Quarters = Adaptive Man #425chat
  • CoachBradShea Dec 14 @ 9:19 PM EST
    A1: Also like to run split coverage (42) with variations of 2 mixed in (Sky, Cloud, Read) #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • coachjwoodall Dec 14 @ 9:19 PM EST
    #425chat A2 Trips I run Special and Solo depending on the RB alignment
  • CoachElder54 Dec 14 @ 9:19 PM EST
    A1. Quarters. It’s adaptable and allows us to do some pattern match and it was something our kids were able to understand. #425chat
  • CoachRichNCHS Dec 14 @ 9:20 PM EST
    A1: We also run trap coverages with some blitzes. Especially if we are playing a QB that defaults to the flats vs. pressure. @Coach_ZC better run it too. #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat, @Coach_ZC
  • coachjocksample Dec 14 @ 9:20 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • dc_wenzel Dec 14 @ 9:20 PM EST
    Zachary Wenzel LBs. Escambia High School Pensacola, Fl #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:21 PM EST
    Lots of coaches=lots of responses and information shared! Love it! Q2 coming up in 2 minutes #425chat
  • CODY_GARDNER Dec 14 @ 9:21 PM EST
    A1) Love 2Read, but didn't call one snap of it this year. We played true 2 and our version of quarters match. Had to play to our kids. #425chat
  • coachjwoodall Dec 14 @ 9:22 PM EST
    #425chat A2 TRIPS RB to trips= sprint out do i run Solo with a sprint rotation RB away = Special, turn the formation back into 2x2
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:22 PM EST
    Q2: What’s your philosophy behind your trips adjustment? Do you have one trips check or multiple you can call when you see trips? #425chat
  • CODY_GARDNER Dec 14 @ 9:22 PM EST
    Cody Gardner Park City Miners Park City, UT #picksUP #425chat
  • Joebruneel Dec 14 @ 9:23 PM EST
    A1: Cover 3. Gets an eighth defender in the box and allows us to make the ball spill to our force defenders. #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • CoachAltmanWM Dec 14 @ 9:23 PM EST
    A2: we have multiple checks. Depends on what the other team is trying to accomplish with their trips formations #425chat
  • coach_comptonDC Dec 14 @ 9:23 PM EST
    Multiple adjustments to trips. Based on why the offense is running trips. And where the best receiver is lined up. #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • rmacblue Dec 14 @ 9:24 PM EST
    A1: Robber is our base call vs trips with man backside; Keeps WS as B-gap player weak as well vs run. Idea is to get help from both ILB (wall) and protect FS from multiple verts or routes which put him in a bind. #425chat
  • CODY_GARDNER Dec 14 @ 9:24 PM EST
    A2) Can't have one answer for anything. Trips....can we cover all verts, just like any other set. Then why are they in trips, what do we need to do to stop it. #425chat
  • CoachBlacha Dec 14 @ 9:24 PM EST
    #425chat
    • CoachBlacha Dec 14 @ 9:24 PM EST
      A2: multiple. Depending on field location. We can check man or check black. It’s cover 2 to trips man BS. Or Cover 3 dropping into a 3 front with some stunts. All depends on who is on the field at the time. Also have a 25 call. OLB jams solo WR with C help over top
      In reply to @Def425chat
  • Coach_ZC Dec 14 @ 9:25 PM EST
    A2: Have a different adjustment based on the coverage call and the splits of the WR. #425chat
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:25 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @CoachBlacha
  • coachjwoodall Dec 14 @ 9:25 PM EST
    #425chat A2 my base adjustment is like i said, but I've moved to split coverages so it can be week to week
  • DrIronstein Dec 14 @ 9:25 PM EST
    A2: “Keep 5 in your pocket” have enough to play tendencies, be able to force from the field against run/screen while still able to carry seams. We base our on D&D, tendency, and ball location. Make the ball go where you want it to go. #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • FootballXandOs Dec 14 @ 9:26 PM EST
    A2: We have multiple checks and we will switch depending on what they want to do in Trips. Isolate their best WR, we play some Special. If they want to run Bubble, we play aggressive press with our CB. Will also lock CB man on #1 in Trips and play Quarters to the rest. #425chat
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:26 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @dhan561
  • FalconCoach63 Dec 14 @ 9:26 PM EST
    Simplicity. If 3 is detached, we will man the #1 and Read #2. If 3 is attached, we will man #3 and Read #2. Two coverages, two calls that kids pick up day 1 and have no issue executing #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • coachcoker02 Dec 14 @ 9:26 PM EST
    Our philosophy is to stay 2 high to 2x2 or trips. We ran 2 coverages that are basically a cover 3 to 3x1. Still protected ourselves from 4 verts. Didn't over complicate it. JH ran it as well. #425chat
  • mikestauffer Dec 14 @ 9:26 PM EST
    A2: We have multiple trips checks, depending on kids we have and offense playing, Cloud to trips most often #425chat
  • The_Coach_A Dec 14 @ 9:26 PM EST
    You cannot have just one coverage for Trips. I like to base out of Stress & use Special as a change-up. Both allow the b/s safety help with the weak side run & you can easily double the X. Also like to play games to the single WR side (Trap). #425chat
  • FootballXandOs Dec 14 @ 9:26 PM EST
    A2 Addendum: Look at your opposing offenses. Other than quick screen, #1 is almost never targeted in Trips. Usually too long of a throw for the QB and not what the offense is trying to do. #425chat
  • HinnerIsland43 Dec 14 @ 9:26 PM EST
    We had a couple of checks. For most parts of the field we had one trips check it didn’t matter if #3 was a tight end or not. If they were in the red zone or inside the 10 then we had a different trips check. #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • CoachRichNCHS Dec 14 @ 9:27 PM EST
    A2: We go into each game with multiple trips checks. We let our FS and WLB check most calls. Can vary based on field position and D/D. If we sit in one trips check QB in our district will light it up. #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • CoachJayWilson Dec 14 @ 9:27 PM EST
    A2: sometimes play Cop/Lock where we man #1 and play Palms on everyone else. #1 in trips is least thrown target in any formation so we put a safety on him so our PS corner can play Palms like normal on 2/3.Basic philosophy; have more guys than them. Trust backside corner #425chat
    • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:22 PM EST
      Q2: What’s your philosophy behind your trips adjustment? Do you have one trips check or multiple you can call when you see trips? #425chat
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:28 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @coachcasey14
  • dc_wenzel Dec 14 @ 9:28 PM EST
    Our most successful coverage is c1 that can convert to c3 depending on what number 2 does. Out of an under front. #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • mikestauffer Dec 14 @ 9:28 PM EST
    This... #425chat
    • The_Coach_A Dec 14 @ 9:14 PM EST
      A1: Sky or 4-Read. It's essentially man. Easy to teach, adaptive, & a plethora of adjustments off it (ex - Press Quarters). #425chat
  • CoachBradShea Dec 14 @ 9:29 PM EST
    A2: (1/2) We have multiple, based on a run pass tendency. go n2 game with 3. Change up by qtr & then 4th change up by series #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • The_Coach_A Dec 14 @ 9:29 PM EST
    2- Read (C2) & 4-Read (Quarters). Match principles. #425chat
    In reply to @big_brusky, @MrCoachAustin
  • _coachgibbslv Dec 14 @ 9:29 PM EST
    A2: Quarters-haven't really haven't had blazers so keeping everything in front was critical #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:29 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @coachjlord
  • CoachBradShea Dec 14 @ 9:30 PM EST
    A2: (2/2) #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • coachjwoodall Dec 14 @ 9:30 PM EST
    #425chat A3 Nub formations We again are 10/11 personnel heavy league, so its 3x1 mostly Special allows a great variation back to the nub. If they want to run the ball to the Nub, C3 and send the Rover
  • coachjlord Dec 14 @ 9:31 PM EST
    basic philosophy ... don't give up the hash/middle ... don't let them get their dude to the single side without help #425chat
    • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:22 PM EST
      Q2: What’s your philosophy behind your trips adjustment? Do you have one trips check or multiple you can call when you see trips? #425chat
  • The_Coach_A Dec 14 @ 9:31 PM EST
    Stress: https://t.co/nBnUAM4alK #425chat
    • The_Coach_A Dec 14 @ 9:26 PM EST
      You cannot have just one coverage for Trips. I like to base out of Stress & use Special as a change-up. Both allow the b/s safety help with the weak side run & you can easily double the X. Also like to play games to the single WR side (Trap). #425chat
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:31 PM EST
    Q3: When defending a nub formation, what is your most successful coverage? #425chat
  • The_Coach_A Dec 14 @ 9:31 PM EST
    Special: https://t.co/lGglZ78tu0 #425chat
    • The_Coach_A Dec 14 @ 9:26 PM EST
      You cannot have just one coverage for Trips. I like to base out of Stress & use Special as a change-up. Both allow the b/s safety help with the weak side run & you can easily double the X. Also like to play games to the single WR side (Trap). #425chat
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:31 PM EST
    Question 3 has been posted! #425chat
  • Coach_Sneed_BHS Dec 14 @ 9:32 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @CoachNahum60, @Def425chat
  • coachjwoodall Dec 14 @ 9:32 PM EST
    #425chat A3 IF the nub is for projection scheme, bring trips side pressure and Sky/Buzz the coverage
  • CoachJayWilson Dec 14 @ 9:32 PM EST
    Every call will have its own trips check, that’s just my favorite #425chat
  • CoachBradShea Dec 14 @ 9:34 PM EST
    A3: this year we went with 1/4 1/4 1/2s. However, always looking for other ways #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • The_Coach_A Dec 14 @ 9:34 PM EST
    A3: Stress allows the b/s safety insert into the box. 11p Nub Trips is one of the toughest formations to defend. Do you flip the CB & the safety? Do you spin to C3 to get your LBs in the box? Bottom line, what are they doing out of it & align to stop it. #425chat
  • dc_wenzel Dec 14 @ 9:34 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • MrCoachAustin Dec 14 @ 9:34 PM EST
    A2 We had a lot of success with Stress to the trips side, and would change our backside rules depending upon our opponents’ tendencies. Our kids favored it, even when our game plan may have included another adjustment. We’d scrap the plan and go to that. #425chat
  • The_Coach_A Dec 14 @ 9:35 PM EST
    Very interested in the responses... #425chat | #Grow | #DoBetter
  • coachjocksample Dec 14 @ 9:35 PM EST
    Multiple. The backside corner will play MEG, and I'll modify the front side coverage based on game plan. OC's don't throw to #1 strong, so ill either lock him up too or have that Corner midpoint #1&2 and see if the QB can throw that deep out #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • CODY_GARDNER Dec 14 @ 9:35 PM EST
    A3) Probably need a little more info in what else is going on in the formation. But Its 1 receiver, so sky/cloud or man. Could lets us roll coverage or blitz, like I said, need more. #425chat
  • coachwallace_ Dec 14 @ 9:36 PM EST
    A2: Quarters or Cloud. In quarters we have the Mike work to #3 nickel works #2 to #1 and backside safety reads #3 as well. Cloud we have the corner sit, and one safety rolls over top and the other plays MOF. backside bump & run, with weak LB taking away slant #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • _coachgibbslv Dec 14 @ 9:36 PM EST
    A2: I'm here for these. We got smoked in 3 x 1 detached #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • CoachJayWilson Dec 14 @ 9:37 PM EST
    A3: against trips nub: man on #1 and quarters everywhere else. Keeps your numbers to the TE. #1 is least thrown target in trips Against any other nub: we didn’t see a lot of it, but we’d play the nub side and back to that side first up, first out with 2 backside DBs #425chat
  • The_Coach_A Dec 14 @ 9:37 PM EST
    This is any easy adjustment if you have a good Ni. The weakness in Special (what you described) is the coverage ability of the man over #2. Can he carry the vertical? That's the question. Like your adjustment. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachJayWilson
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:38 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @HinnerIsland43, @_coachgibbslv
  • mikestauffer Dec 14 @ 9:39 PM EST
    A3: Would depend on formation and R/M/L hash, but generally if 1 RB Cover 2, if 2 RB Cover 3. Maybe align in 2 and roll to 0 and bring some heat 🔥😁🤷🏻‍♂️ #425chat
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:39 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @FalconCoach63, @_coachgibbslv
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:39 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @coachameza
  • CoachJayWilson Dec 14 @ 9:39 PM EST
    We move our corner in over #2 and play Palms on 2/3. Still have 3/2 with LB. Our FS plays #3 like he’d normally play #2 in doubles. Great coverage #425chat
    In reply to @The_Coach_A
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:39 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @CoachNahum60
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:40 PM EST
    Keep answering! Q4 coming up in 5 minutes! Answers have been 🔥#425chat
  • The_Coach_A Dec 14 @ 9:43 PM EST
    Still like Stress better. No one has to move. Like you said, no one throws to #1, so you get a high-low on #2. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachJayWilson
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:43 PM EST
    Q4: Those who run it, why/when do you like to run a robber coverage? #425chat
  • Coach_ZC Dec 14 @ 9:43 PM EST
    A3) Flip C and S, essentially play sky to the nub side #425chat
  • The_Coach_A Dec 14 @ 9:44 PM EST
    Isn't 4-Read like Robber? The safety is the intermediate zone player & he is fit support off the OLB. #425chat
  • CoachElder54 Dec 14 @ 9:45 PM EST
    A2. We had 3 coverages to Trips. Changed weekly what we would do, sometimes used all sometimes only one. Had cloud, 6 and solo. #425chat
  • The_Coach_A Dec 14 @ 9:46 PM EST
    A lot of HS guys do this. Easy adjustment, especially if you got tiny CBs. Been there! 😂 #425chat
    In reply to @Coach_ZC
  • CoachRichNCHS Dec 14 @ 9:46 PM EST
    A4: We like to run it with man and use LBs under instead of robbing down. Will probably use safeties more next year in robber roles, especially on run heavy downs. #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • coachcasey14 Dec 14 @ 9:46 PM EST
    This is our base. We run it against specific formations/structures in order to get extra numbers in the box. Takes some extra teaching and lots of reps for FS but everyone else has simple rules. Wanna play fast! #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • The_Coach_A Dec 14 @ 9:46 PM EST
    Love it!!! #425chat
    • MrCoachAustin Dec 14 @ 9:37 PM EST
      Had a lot of success with Stress and our kids loved it. We’d have 3 different adjustments planned for a game but they’d ask to go Stress. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it I guess lol
      In reply to @The_Coach_A
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:46 PM EST
    Waiting for the responses on Q4 like.... #425chat
  • CoachBolland Dec 14 @ 9:47 PM EST
    Tiny isn't as bad as soft! #425chat
    In reply to @The_Coach_A, @Coach_ZC
  • mikestauffer Dec 14 @ 9:47 PM EST
    A4: Love Robber to get 9 in the box. Pretty adjustable too, formation adjustments take some time and reps but if you play a lot of run heavy teams it’s a great cover #425chat
  • CoachEthanSmith Dec 14 @ 9:48 PM EST
    We have 3 different 3x1 checks that we make besides Cov.1, but will only go in to that week with 1 or 2 based on that teams favorite route combos. #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • CoachBradShea Dec 14 @ 9:49 PM EST
    A4: we run it because of RPOs #425chat
  • CODY_GARDNER Dec 14 @ 9:49 PM EST
    Can you define "Robber"? #425chat
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:49 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @CoachNahum60
  • HinnerIsland43 Dec 14 @ 9:50 PM EST
    We tried to run it to start this year. Had a little trouble when our starting FS was moved to our starting QB and didn’t really have the right athlete back there to be able to run it so we just stayed in our basic split field coverages. #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:50 PM EST
    To me it is bringing a safety to play intermediate zone. Showing two high but bringing safety to soft spot in coverage in between two MLB #425chat
    In reply to @CODY_GARDNER
  • The_Coach_A Dec 14 @ 9:50 PM EST
    My issue with Special has always been you have 2 guys essentially in man. That worries me. Worked for Briles. Learned to defend the verts (fatals) first & work from there. HS/small college is a little different. If you got the guys you can do anything! #425chat
    In reply to @CoachJayWilson
  • MrCoachAustin Dec 14 @ 9:51 PM EST
    A3: Quarter Swap. We wanted our safeties up to play the run. #425chat
  • CoachEthanSmith Dec 14 @ 9:52 PM EST
    Cov. 6 is the simplest and easiest adjustment, IMO. However we occasionally play a Roll/Cloud coverage and lock the CB up on the nub. He is taught not to run with the route across the field. He passes any drag or crosser and looks for wheel or any route back to him. #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:52 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @CoachWoody2
  • CoachJayWilson Dec 14 @ 9:52 PM EST
    A4: I’d run Rat/Robber on every play if I could. Gets a ballhawk hawking the ball, usually unaccounted for in run game in a 2 shell. Can dictate where you want the ball to go with leverage of down Safeties/LBs. Route recognition is key to produce true “robs”=INTs #425chat
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:52 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @CoachNahum60
  • The_Coach_A Dec 14 @ 9:53 PM EST
    Yeah.. Sky... 😂 #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat, @CODY_GARDNER
  • coachjlord Dec 14 @ 9:54 PM EST
    we run it to trips when and also for an in/out combo designed to pull a LB #425chat
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:55 PM EST
    Q5: What coverages do you run behind your pressures? Primarily a zone blitz team? Zero? Etc.... please explain you philosophy behind your calls #425chat
  • EduGladiators Dec 14 @ 9:55 PM EST
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  • mikestauffer Dec 14 @ 9:55 PM EST
    Couldn’t have said it better... #425chat
    • CoachJayWilson Dec 14 @ 9:52 PM EST
      A4: I’d run Rat/Robber on every play if I could. Gets a ballhawk hawking the ball, usually unaccounted for in run game in a 2 shell. Can dictate where you want the ball to go with leverage of down Safeties/LBs. Route recognition is key to produce true “robs”=INTs #425chat
  • Def425chat - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:55 PM EST
    Q5 is posted and it is probably my favorite! #425chat
  • CODY_GARDNER Dec 14 @ 9:55 PM EST
    A4)Our robber would come form a 1 high look, robber wouldn't have any real responsibilities, free lancer #425chat
  • CoachJayWilson Dec 14 @ 9:55 PM EST
    Yeah I don’t share the same concern. I’d welcome fatals in this coverage all day. Protect yourself Backside with your other high safety. Not worried about #1 to trips. Protected underneath with low Safety and LB on other side. If 3 is vertical, 2 prob isn’t. CB help #425chat
    • The_Coach_A Dec 14 @ 9:50 PM EST
      My issue with Special has always been you have 2 guys essentially in man. That worries me. Worked for Briles. Learned to defend the verts (fatals) first & work from there. HS/small college is a little different. If you got the guys you can do anything! #425chat
      In reply to @CoachJayWilson
  • FootballXandOs Dec 14 @ 9:56 PM EST
    Listen to everything that @The_Coach_A has to say about the 4-2-5 and Coverages. He is the guru. Go visit his site as well and get smarter! #425chat
  • coachcasey14 Dec 14 @ 9:56 PM EST
    We run it out of 1 high safety. Against specific formations/structures, we have run it out of 2 high. Gotta ensure the right kids are there and also has to be game planned. It's not a good coverage against 2x2 if that team runs lots of bubbles #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat, @CODY_GARDNER
  • FootballXandOs Dec 14 @ 9:57 PM EST
    3 Deep, 3 Under for us on most blitzes. It is my belief that most HS QB's will not be able to sit in the pocket under constant pressure and consistently deliver accurate throws to the spots we do not occupy. In 0 (which we play), 1 athlete can beat your athlete. #425chat
  • The_Coach_A Dec 14 @ 9:58 PM EST
    If you're got 2 dudes outside Rat is great vs the Spread. Especially Air Raid based crossing routes. Still a big fan of Steal. That way I'm not spinning & works within the Quarters mold. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachJayWilson
  • CoachRichNCHS Dec 14 @ 9:58 PM EST
    A5: We teach 3 deep 3 under in camp or spring ball, but we have some bracket man concepts we use for most of our 5 or 6 man pressures. On occasion we will throw in traditional cover 4 vs a vert check team. Man is always there but we don't really have to teach that. #425chat
    In reply to @Def425chat
  • CODY_GARDNER Dec 14 @ 9:59 PM EST
    A5) Yes. Being split field so either or will work. I coach the LBs, they are the ones that have to "fix" or adjust for the blitz. #425chat
  • HinnerIsland43 Dec 14 @ 9:59 PM EST
    Yeah, he ran it really well and we were excited about it. But as soon as he left we realized we couldn’t do it anymore. Hopefully we find him this year! #425chat
    In reply to @coachcasey14, @Def425chat