#SwDMathChat Archive
Thursday March 23, 2017
9:00 PM EDT
mathinyourfeet
Mar 23 @ 9:00 PM EDT
Welcome to tonight’s
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! I’m Malke, teaching artist/math educato & author w/ a neurodiverse kid. Please introduce yourself!
participatechat
Mar 23 @ 9:00 PM EDT
Participate in the upcoming
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bkdidact
- Moderator
Mar 23 @ 9:02 PM EDT
Hi! Andrew, HS self-contained math teacher in NYC
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mathinyourfeet
Mar 23 @ 9:00 PM EDT
Welcome to tonight’s
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! I’m Malke, teaching artist/math educato & author w/ a neurodiverse kid. Please introduce yourself!
DDibley123
Mar 23 @ 9:04 PM EDT
Dawn. Math Coach for Elem. SpEd Teachers.
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bkdidact
- Moderator
Mar 23 @ 9:04 PM EDT
Hi Dawn!
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In reply to @DDibley123
DDibley123
Mar 23 @ 9:05 PM EDT
Hi! Double dipping again
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In reply to @bkdidact
mathinyourfeet
Mar 23 @ 9:05 PM EDT
Hi! thanks for joining the chat tonight!
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SCH211
Mar 23 @ 9:07 PM EDT
Sarah, K-4 math coach from western MA
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bkdidact
- Moderator
Mar 23 @ 9:07 PM EDT
Hi Sarah, welcome!
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PaulaKrieg
Mar 23 @ 9:08 PM EDT
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hi/ Paula Krieg Teaching Artist, bookmaking is my medium
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anyaostapczuk
Mar 23 @ 9:08 PM EDT
Anya, High School math and science in Illinois
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MFAnnie
Mar 23 @ 9:09 PM EDT
And will try to do
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and
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at same time, while we watch hoops. From
@themathforum
near Philly. Also baking tonight.
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bkdidact
- Moderator
Mar 23 @ 9:09 PM EDT
Hi Paula! Thanks for joining us tonight.
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bkdidact
- Moderator
Mar 23 @ 9:09 PM EDT
Hi Anya!
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anyaostapczuk
Mar 23 @ 9:09 PM EDT
Hello!
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In reply to @bkdidact
DDibley123
Mar 23 @ 9:09 PM EDT
Slacker
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In reply to @MFAnnie, @themathforum
bkdidact
- Moderator
Mar 23 @ 9:09 PM EDT
Happy to see you, salty that Michigan lost!
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In reply to @MFAnnie, @themathforum
AssignmentHelpN
Mar 23 @ 9:10 PM EDT
#aphgchat
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10 Things you Need to Spring Clean Right Now
https://t.co/7AJrA5H3xE
mathinyourfeet
Mar 23 @ 9:10 PM EDT
All right, let's do this! I’m guessing we’ve all heard the term, but what is it, exactly?
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#movingmath
PaulaKrieg
Mar 23 @ 9:10 PM EDT
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any time opportunity to spend time in Malke's sphere is time well spent!
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SCH211
Mar 23 @ 9:10 PM EDT
Glad to be here!
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MFAnnie
Mar 23 @ 9:11 PM EDT
No spoilers, please. We've finished first game, but still working on second.
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PaulaKrieg
Mar 23 @ 9:12 PM EDT
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Q! not sure what spatial reasoning is, but since I've been following Malke's work I have more awareness of spatial sense+
MFAnnie
Mar 23 @ 9:13 PM EDT
Oh, and hi
@mathinyourfeet
Thanks for hosting
#SwDMathChat
. Can't wait to see you in San Antonio at
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anyaostapczuk
Mar 23 @ 9:13 PM EDT
Spatial reasoning is the ability to draw conclusions about objects from limited information
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PaulaKrieg
Mar 23 @ 9:13 PM EDT
or lack of spatial sense in Ss. Once I became aware of it , it was like someone turned a light on
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bkdidact
- Moderator
Mar 23 @ 9:14 PM EDT
A1: Processing information about space through visual and kinesthetic perception.
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mathinyourfeet
Mar 23 @ 9:10 PM EDT
All right, let's do this! I’m guessing we’ve all heard the term, but what is it, exactly?
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SCH211
Mar 23 @ 9:15 PM EDT
Interesting! Wouldn't have thought of it this way
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In reply to @anyaostapczuk
massignmenthelp
Mar 23 @ 9:15 PM EDT
#aphgchat
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#christianeducators
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5 Daily Habits that will Boost your GPA
https://t.co/P32ItfDV0A
mathinyourfeet
Mar 23 @ 9:15 PM EDT
Can you say more? What happened exactly?
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PaulaKrieg
Mar 23 @ 9:15 PM EDT
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Q! When I ask Ss to arrange things on a page, some just don't seem to be able to see that their work is off center/ crooked
bkdidact
- Moderator
Mar 23 @ 9:15 PM EDT
Yes, can you say more about this?
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SCH211
Mar 23 @ 9:15 PM EDT
A1: I think of objects in relation to each other...how do they fit / lie / etc
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anyaostapczuk
Mar 23 @ 9:15 PM EDT
who knows I'm probably totally wrong 😬
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In reply to @SCH211
bkdidact
- Moderator
Mar 23 @ 9:16 PM EDT
There's no wrong answers only different perceptions!
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PaulaKrieg
Mar 23 @ 9:17 PM EDT
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Some students can't fathom how to line up the edge of a paper to a fold, others so it right away,.
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anyaostapczuk
Mar 23 @ 9:17 PM EDT
can picture how objects look when transformed
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SCH211
Mar 23 @ 9:18 PM EDT
Yes, can move...then the relation is to space
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In reply to @anyaostapczuk
mathinyourfeet
Mar 23 @ 9:18 PM EDT
There are many different ways to experience sp reasoning, which is one of its strengths.
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In reply to @anyaostapczuk, @SCH211
MFAnnie
Mar 23 @ 9:18 PM EDT
A1: I think of spatial reasoning as ability to think in three dimensions. Like those nets of cube Qs, "what's opposite 2?"
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mathinyourfeet
Mar 23 @ 9:19 PM EDT
Spatial thinking is multi-modal, and useful in a variety of mathematical contexts!
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#movingmath
SCH211
Mar 23 @ 9:19 PM EDT
And one of it's challenges! Hard to tell if someone else is "seeing" it the same way
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In reply to @mathinyourfeet, @anyaostapczuk
bkdidact
- Moderator
Mar 23 @ 9:19 PM EDT
I like this. A very mathematical take. Hey, you should teach math!
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In reply to @MFAnnie
PaulaKrieg
Mar 23 @ 9:20 PM EDT
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Q1 lack of spatial sense, it seems to me, shows up in cutting w/ scissors, too,like can they cut along a line?
In reply to @mathinyourfeet
mathinyourfeet
Mar 23 @ 9:21 PM EDT
This particular perspective points to body-based spatial reasoning which we’ll think about a little later on.
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PaulaKrieg
Mar 23 @ 9:22 PM EDT
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honestly, the Ss I see who have trouble with arranging items on the page also struggle w/ math
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mathinyourfeet
Mar 23 @ 9:23 PM EDT
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bstockus
Mar 23 @ 9:24 PM EDT
A2: Because we spend our lives living and moving in a 3-dimensional world.
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bkdidact
- Moderator
Mar 23 @ 9:25 PM EDT
A2: Because it relates to such a wide range of skills inherent to mathematics (and other subjects!)
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mathinyourfeet
Mar 23 @ 9:23 PM EDT
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mathinyourfeet
Mar 23 @ 9:25 PM EDT
Just as a quick reminder, please answer with A1, A2, etc. Thanks!
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bkdidact
- Moderator
Mar 23 @ 9:25 PM EDT
Hey, now! What a pleasant surprise!
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In reply to @bstockus
PaulaKrieg
Mar 23 @ 9:25 PM EDT
A2
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because we live in a world that is defined by relationships between things.
bstockus
Mar 23 @ 9:26 PM EDT
A2: Our Kinder Ts were confused why we started with 3D shapes before 2D. My response: Because we live in a 3D world.
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bstockus
Mar 23 @ 9:26 PM EDT
The stream is open to
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so I'm able to steal a look here and there. :-)
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anndurham13
Mar 23 @ 9:26 PM EDT
A2 allows us to interact with our world and make connections with our 2D and 3D environments
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MFAnnie
Mar 23 @ 9:27 PM EDT
All the more reason to give Ss as much practice as possible. Some people just don't have much experience.
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PaulaKrieg
Mar 23 @ 9:27 PM EDT
A2
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such an easy idea to forget when so much happens with writing on a page.
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mathinyourfeet
Mar 23 @ 9:28 PM EDT
I love when I see happening in the classroom. Spatial thinking is multi-modal & useful in a variety of mathematical contexts!
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bstockus
Mar 23 @ 9:29 PM EDT
It's interesting. In their view, 3D shapes are more complicated. I keep chipping away at it.
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In reply to @PaulaKrieg
anyaostapczuk
Mar 23 @ 9:29 PM EDT
A2: focuses on relationships between objects
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PaulaKrieg
Mar 23 @ 9:29 PM EDT
A2
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sometimes seems Ss don't get practice just SEEING then evaluating
https://t.co/TuaQ6avGNd
doing designs
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SCH211
Mar 23 @ 9:30 PM EDT
Names are also less familiar to them. Vocabulary comes up as an issue a lot in my district
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mathinyourfeet
Mar 23 @ 9:31 PM EDT
A2b And realated to A2a Spatial reasoning as a powerful tool in our math teaching/learing tool box!
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PaulaKrieg
Mar 23 @ 9:31 PM EDT
A2
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I hear this more &more. Ss not grasping words like behind, above, underneath, next to, same
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bstockus
Mar 23 @ 9:31 PM EDT
We start w/ informal vocab. Our first intro to 3D figures is in a larger unit on sorting and classifying.
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SCH211
Mar 23 @ 9:32 PM EDT
Love! People often only think of spatial for geometry, but I remember hitting calc & struggling w/ 2d lines creating 3d objects
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mathinyourfeet
Mar 23 @ 9:28 PM EDT
I love when I see happening in the classroom. Spatial thinking is multi-modal & useful in a variety of mathematical contexts!
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PaulaKrieg
Mar 23 @ 9:32 PM EDT
this sorting concept is something I'd like to know more about
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bstockus
Mar 23 @ 9:32 PM EDT
My predecessor created a standard in our district that specifically focuses on positional language.
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bstockus
Mar 23 @ 9:33 PM EDT
It's not in our grade level standards at all, but it's such necessary vocabulary to describe our world.
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PaulaKrieg
Mar 23 @ 9:33 PM EDT
would like to know more about this too.
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I will be working with very young kids this summer, again.
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bkdidact
- Moderator
Mar 23 @ 9:34 PM EDT
Spatial reasoning relates directly to almost all math content. Procedural fluency has lining up algorithms correctly
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SCH211
Mar 23 @ 9:34 PM EDT
We have a state standard in K for positional language. ELL classrooms especially struggle with it
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bstockus
Mar 23 @ 9:34 PM EDT
The unit is all about learning to sort and classify. Ss come up with their own sorting rules.
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bstockus
Mar 23 @ 9:35 PM EDT
Then they analyze their sorts to see how different it looks based on the rules we use. Light data analysis.
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SCH211
Mar 23 @ 9:35 PM EDT
Unfortunately, sometimes comes back to assessment: how to tell what they're seeing (math talk!)
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bstockus
Mar 23 @ 9:35 PM EDT
The idea is to start getting them to think about variety of attributes/characteristics.
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MFAnnie
Mar 23 @ 9:35 PM EDT
I'm wondering how often people take advantage of tech tools to increase opportunities to "see" math these days.
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mathinyourfeet
Mar 23 @ 9:35 PM EDT
Spatial reasoning ACTIVE!
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PaulaKrieg
Mar 23 @ 9:36 PM EDT
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you mean they are encouraged to think and reason
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SCH211
Mar 23 @ 9:36 PM EDT
Yup! I've seen the intro of graph paper save the computation life of more than one student!!
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bkdidact
- Moderator
Mar 23 @ 9:37 PM EDT
A3: Is answering, "Everything!" a cop out?
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mathinyourfeet
Mar 23 @ 9:35 PM EDT
Spatial reasoning ACTIVE!
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SCH211
Mar 23 @ 9:37 PM EDT
We have a 7th standard about slicing 3D shapes and describing 2D...would be SO hard w/o tech!!
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DDibley123
Mar 23 @ 9:37 PM EDT
A3: Take 5 steps to reach a destination. Now, take 10 steps to walk back to where you started. Bigger steps or smaller?
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bkdidact
- Moderator
Mar 23 @ 9:38 PM EDT
Same. Also area model.
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mathinyourfeet
Mar 23 @ 9:38 PM EDT
Yes, I think so! lol
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SCH211
Mar 23 @ 9:39 PM EDT
A3: Good start would be just talking about how we see things. I like the hidden build & describe to a partner activity
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PaulaKrieg
Mar 23 @ 9:39 PM EDT
A3
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creating larger shapes from smaller shapes?
bkdidact
- Moderator
Mar 23 @ 9:40 PM EDT
Then A3b: lining up algorithms, cutting, one to one correspondence, geometry, graphing, etc...
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In reply to @mathinyourfeet
MFAnnie
Mar 23 @ 9:40 PM EDT
I do like clear plastic models and rubber bands for that sort of thing.
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mathinyourfeet
Mar 23 @ 9:41 PM EDT
A3: Here's a list of options for you...what do you think?
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bobloch
Mar 23 @ 9:41 PM EDT
Lurking...today chatting up inverse functions. Had Ss take steps forward to represent f(x), then walk back their steps
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bkdidact
- Moderator
Mar 23 @ 9:42 PM EDT
Engineering tasks are a great example of the integration of spatial reasoning! cc:
@anyaostapczuk
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anndurham13
Mar 23 @ 9:42 PM EDT
A3 using spaghetti to see the connection between unit circle and sine/cosine graphs
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PaulaKrieg
Mar 23 @ 9:43 PM EDT
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NICE LIST ;)
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bstockus
Mar 23 @ 9:43 PM EDT
A3: I've been including opportunities to scale up in the unit plans we've been making.
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bstockus
Mar 23 @ 9:44 PM EDT
A3: For ex, we encouraged Ts to make a coordinate grid on the floor and have Ss guide each other to coordinates.
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mathinyourfeet
Mar 23 @ 9:44 PM EDT
Yes, and in the follow up resources after the chat is an article about a school that focused on Sp Reasoning school-wide.
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bkdidact
- Moderator
Mar 23 @ 9:42 PM EDT
Engineering tasks are a great example of the integration of spatial reasoning! cc:
@anyaostapczuk
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bkdidact
- Moderator
Mar 23 @ 9:44 PM EDT
I wish my room was bigger for things like this!
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bstockus
Mar 23 @ 9:45 PM EDT
We suggested using classroom, hallway, playground, wherever they could find!
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bstockus
Mar 23 @ 9:45 PM EDT
It helps that they only have to do quadrant 1 in grade 5.
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SCH211
Mar 23 @ 9:45 PM EDT
Your mention of cutting made me think of folding too. Let's start doing more origami :)
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bkdidact
- Moderator
Mar 23 @ 9:46 PM EDT
I'm gonna blame my urban setting for failures here :I
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PaulaKrieg
Mar 23 @ 9:46 PM EDT
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I wonder if similar results could be had by Ss directing each other to move pieces around on checkerboard
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bstockus
Mar 23 @ 9:46 PM EDT
We do get to build some pretty spacious schools in Texas.
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bkdidact
- Moderator
Mar 23 @ 9:47 PM EDT
YES! Love discussing geometric concepts through folding and cutting, which often requires support!
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a_schindy
Mar 23 @ 9:47 PM EDT
I'm so late! Will have to start reading. I just did this yesterday. So easy to put tape axes on tile floor.
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bstockus
Mar 23 @ 9:44 PM EDT
A3: For ex, we encouraged Ts to make a coordinate grid on the floor and have Ss guide each other to coordinates.
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SCH211
Mar 23 @ 9:47 PM EDT
Really like this list! Could be interesting to try and connect to lessons / topics / standards at each grade level
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mathinyourfeet
Mar 23 @ 9:41 PM EDT
A3: Here's a list of options for you...what do you think?
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bkdidact
- Moderator
Mar 23 @ 9:48 PM EDT
There's something about using the whole-body that is different.
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mathinyourfeet
Mar 23 @ 9:48 PM EDT
It's interesting that there have been mentions of the body's role in Sp Reasoning already tonight :)
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mathinyourfeet
Mar 23 @ 9:45 PM EDT
Q4: Now for my favorite question of the night! SwDMathChat
bkdidact
- Moderator
Mar 23 @ 9:50 PM EDT
A4: The connection between visual processing and kinesthetic interactions with shapes and space.
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mathinyourfeet
Mar 23 @ 9:48 PM EDT
It's interesting that there have been mentions of the body's role in Sp Reasoning already tonight :)
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mathinyourfeet
Mar 23 @ 9:45 PM EDT
Q4: Now for my favorite question of the night! SwDMathChat
SCH211
Mar 23 @ 9:50 PM EDT
Q4:Our whole convo has made me think abt kinesthetic learners. Seems they're often the most underserved. More of this helps!!
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MNmMath
Mar 23 @ 9:50 PM EDT
A4 Spatial reasoning in body looks like maintaining personal space not touching hot stuff, using hot iron, sitting not plopping
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mathinyourfeet
Mar 23 @ 9:51 PM EDT
A4: A4:
@mr_stadel
’s Clothesline Number line is a great example of
#ScaledUp
#bodyscale
https://t.co/i8imEyXRhT
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a_schindy
Mar 23 @ 9:51 PM EDT
I agree w/ that. Used blocks & tile floor grid for transformations. Its like being in the graph
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anndurham13
Mar 23 @ 9:51 PM EDT
A4 Using the body to make sense of math :)
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bkdidact
- Moderator
Mar 23 @ 9:52 PM EDT
And how different students have different strengths which can be leveraged by teachers possibly through
#UDL
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mathinyourfeet
Mar 23 @ 9:52 PM EDT
A4: The dance started w/ exploring movement on scaled-up 100 grid. Can u identify the transformations?
https://t.co/rFvmZOeQZo
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JennKranenburg
Mar 2 @ 5:03 PM EST
Noah, Parker and Kruz demonstrating their understanding of transformations through their dance
@QueenEPSChatham
@mathinyourfeet
#math
#lkdsb
PaulaKrieg
Mar 23 @ 9:52 PM EDT
Had a great
@mathinyourfeet
moment today w/ 2nd graders. We handed out tinted rulers, to use as a straightedge for folding +
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mathinyourfeet
Mar 23 @ 9:52 PM EDT
A4: Building from 2D to 3D with snap cubes
@JennKranenburg
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JennKranenburg
Mar 2 @ 9:56 AM EST
This mornings math challenge!
#lkdsb
#spatialreasoning
#math
@QueenEPSChatham
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PaulaKrieg
Mar 23 @ 9:54 PM EDT
they went wild with it for about 20 seconds, then settled right down, right back to work, Awesome
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mathinyourfeet
Mar 23 @ 9:55 PM EDT
A4: Building 3D at body-scale with newspaper rolls:
https://t.co/0jlizgto4S
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DDibley123
Mar 23 @ 9:55 PM EDT
If you're going to be at NCTM, visit me at the
@USMathRecovery
booth.
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DDibley123
Mar 23 @ 9:56 PM EDT
Cool idea!
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mathinyourfeet
Mar 23 @ 9:56 PM EDT
Final Q! Can include language, manipulatives/tools, maps/diagrams, conn 2D to 3D. What does that look like in your classroom?
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