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participatechat Oct 29 @ 8:00 PM EDT

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cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:00 PM EDT

Here we go............#ElonEd

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:00 PM EDT

Welcome to #ElonEd chat! Our goals are to connect grads and current students, share ideas and advice, and be inspired.

Courtintheclass Oct 29 @ 8:00 PM EDT

Hello! I'm Courtney - #eloned student studying English and Secondary Education, originally from TX #21stedchat

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:01 PM EDT

The co-moderators tonight are @cbrocatoedu and @plugusin. We are looking forward to the conversation! #ElonEd

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:01 PM EDT

Jazzed to be here, #ElonEd chat nation. I'm Bill Ferriter. 6th grade classroom teacher. Raleigh, NC.

In reply to @cbrocatoedu

eeb1996 Oct 29 @ 8:02 PM EDT

Hi everyone! My name is Emily Boynton and I'm a senior at Elon studying elementary and special education! #eloned

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:02 PM EDT

Who is joining us? Tweet your name, content area, year of graduation (if applicable), and current job. Use #ElonEd each time you tweet!

s_rush10 Oct 29 @ 8:02 PM EDT

Hello! I'm Shannon- #eloned student studying Elementary and Special Education #elon401

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:03 PM EDT

Given the number of questions we have prepared for you tonight, I'm moving through the introductions! #ElonEd

EmmaBoniche Oct 29 @ 8:03 PM EDT

Hi everyone! Elon class of 2017. I now teach 10th grade biology at Central High School in Bridgeport CT #ElonEd

edusteminist Oct 29 @ 8:03 PM EDT

Hello! I'm Molly Kearns, and I'm a junior Special/El Ed major at Elon. Pumped for my second #ElonEd chat!

MsConesTweets Oct 29 @ 8:03 PM EDT

Kelsey Cones, 2013 grad, kindergarten teacher in Cary! #eloned

emma_salsbury Oct 29 @ 8:03 PM EDT

Hello! I'm Emma and I'm a senior at Elon University studying special and elementary education #eloned

MrDpasion Oct 29 @ 8:03 PM EDT

Dayson, 6-12 sci, STEM edu/ITF, UNC'10. Currently @GMSfalcon #eloned

MichaelAVaughn Oct 29 @ 8:03 PM EDT

Hey #ElonEd! I’m an Instructional Technologist at Elon. Hopping in tonight because we’re talking about grades and I have feelings

brogers_20 Oct 29 @ 8:03 PM EDT

Ben Rogers, Junior focusing on Secondary Math, excited to discuss grading. #ElonEd

erinhone712 Oct 29 @ 8:03 PM EDT

Hi! Excited about tonight's topic! Erin Hone, #ElonEd faculty, @elonalumni

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:03 PM EDT

Courtney Brocato, Class of 2016, SPED Teacher in WCPSS. #ElonEd

biglsclassroom Oct 29 @ 8:03 PM EDT

Hi my name is Lauren Ventresca. I am a special/elementary major with a minor in Spanish. Pumped for my first chat #eloned

mrogers401 Oct 29 @ 8:04 PM EDT

Hi! I'm Maddie, an #ElonEd senior studying Elementary Education!

Miki_Salamon Oct 29 @ 8:04 PM EDT

Hi everyone! I'm Miki, junior from Elon University studying Environmental Science 🌱 #ElonEd #EnviroEd

nhunnicutt12 Oct 29 @ 8:04 PM EDT

Hey, I'm Nathan Hunnicutt! I am a Junior at Elon studying Middle Grades Education #ElonEd

robinbfrench - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:04 PM EDT

Robin French | Secondary Math | 2015 grad | teacher at Williams in ABSS. #ElonED

anniecrab Oct 29 @ 8:04 PM EDT

Anne Roycroft joining the chat. Former MS SS teacher. Now directing Elon Accreditation #ElonEd

dunleavydani Oct 29 @ 8:04 PM EDT

Hey everyone! I'm Dani Dunleavy and I'm a senior studying elementary education and psychology at Elon University! #eloned

jeffpcarpenter - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:04 PM EDT

Jeff Carpenter, content generalist, graduated preschool in '78, lucky to be a teacher educator at @Elon_Ed #eloned

In reply to @cbrocatoedu, @Elon_Ed

teddylynn24 Oct 29 @ 8:04 PM EDT

Ted CurriculumCoord Central Valley CA. Hanging out hoping to glean a few kernels of wisdom. #ElonEd

isaacjwells Oct 29 @ 8:04 PM EDT

Isaac Wells, K-5 generalist, 2002 & currently an instructional coach in Henderson County NC I'm looking forward to this chat! #ElonEd

robinbfrench - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:04 PM EDT

Ironic that I am grading midterms as I participate in this chat… will do my best to keep up with the chat. #ElonEd

jeffpcarpenter - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:04 PM EDT

Hi Emma! We love to have our alumni contributing to #eloned chats!

In reply to @EmmaBoniche

iincorvati Oct 29 @ 8:04 PM EDT

Isabel Incorvati, Social Studies, class of 2017, currently teaching Gov in Montgomery Co, MD! #ElonEd

EduGladiators Oct 29 @ 8:05 PM EDT

🔑 Know the keys to academic success? SATURDAY #EduGladiators is back w/NEW series & Core Warrior @BrendanFetters #mnlead #elonEd #21stedchat

tayargue Oct 29 @ 8:05 PM EDT

Taylor Argue - Elon Elem Ed NC Teaching Fellow ‘12 // UNC M. Ed K-12 Literacy ‘16 // Currently teaching 3rd grade in Fairfax County #ElonEd

erinhone712 Oct 29 @ 8:05 PM EDT

Yay! Thanks for joining us! #ElonEd

In reply to @isaacjwells

jeffpcarpenter - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:05 PM EDT

Hi Anne! #eloned

In reply to @anniecrab

profpatch Oct 29 @ 8:05 PM EDT

Paula Patch, senior lecturer in English at Elon, big fan of #eloned, not a big fan of grading.

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:05 PM EDT

Great to have California in the house, Ted! #ElonEd

In reply to @teddylynn24

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:05 PM EDT

We will be using a Q1, A1 format to keep the conversation connected. #ElonEd

sfriedman7elon Oct 29 @ 8:06 PM EDT

Sam Friedman, SpEd and Secondary SS, class of 2018, student teaching at Williams! #eloned

JFinneyfrock - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:06 PM EDT

Frock! Joining late! #eloned

jeffpcarpenter - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:06 PM EDT

we r here for you to unburden yourself! #ElonEd

In reply to @MichaelAVaughn

msabigailpeel Oct 29 @ 8:06 PM EDT

Hi! Abigail Peel, Elon class of '17. I teach English and Journalism at Clover Garden School. #eloned

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:06 PM EDT

Holy smokes: #eloned nation is totally in the house for tonight's chat on grading! Kinda makes me wish I was an alum!

mfharsh Oct 29 @ 8:07 PM EDT

Mary Frances Harsh, El Ed, 2018 #ElonEd

mikeaustinwest Oct 29 @ 8:07 PM EDT

Good evening #eloned! Mike here from @WendellMiddle and @WCPSS !

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:07 PM EDT

Q1: Grant Wiggins once argued that grades are "utterly useless as a form of actionable feedback." Is that true? How do you know? #ElonEd

Courtintheclass Oct 29 @ 8:07 PM EDT

A1: A certain amount of time in class dedicated to students for their work on a project of their choice #Eloned #21stedchat

jeffpcarpenter - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:08 PM EDT

honorary degrees for all #eloned chat guest moderators! #iwishitworkedthatway

In reply to @plugusin

jjsuperhero Oct 29 @ 8:08 PM EDT

Hi everyone - Julie Justice here - former elem and middle school literacy teacher and excited for this topic #eloned

jeffpcarpenter - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:08 PM EDT

Thank you for joining us, Mike! #Eloned

In reply to @mikeaustinwest, @WendellMiddle, @WCPSS

MrDpasion Oct 29 @ 8:08 PM EDT

A1. Grades give poor feedback if any. A "B" or 82 doesn't tell me what I do or don't know. #eloned

GridleyDaniel Oct 29 @ 8:08 PM EDT

Dan Gridley dropping in from downtown Raleigh, NC. My wife, @itsallgrid, & many colleagues are @elonuniversity alum. 👍 #eloned

robinbfrench - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:08 PM EDT

A1: A single letter grade or number is not complete feedback. Ss needs words and guidance for how to make improvements and grow. #ElonEd

erinhone712 Oct 29 @ 8:09 PM EDT

A1: True formative assessment, meant to inform Ts & Ss of progress, strengths & weaknesses, shouldn't be graded. #ElonEd

jeffpcarpenter - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:09 PM EDT

Hi Abby! #eloned

In reply to @msabigailpeel

edusteminist Oct 29 @ 8:09 PM EDT

A1: Grades have the potential to be a useful form of feedback, but they should NOT be the only form of feedback #ElonEd

MrDpasion Oct 29 @ 8:09 PM EDT

I've moved to #feedbackovergrades (within the constraints of system) and have seen better results. #eloned

mfharsh Oct 29 @ 8:09 PM EDT

A1: I think feedback is very important in a child's education but does not have be connected to a grade.#ElonEd

MsConesTweets Oct 29 @ 8:09 PM EDT

A1: It does not tell you what was done well or what could be done differently, it is just a number or letter. Ss need feedback #eloned

anniecrab Oct 29 @ 8:09 PM EDT

A1 totally depends on the context of the grade. Is there feedback? A rubric? Expectations? #ElonEd

tayargue Oct 29 @ 8:09 PM EDT

A1: We should strive to reach Ss’ intrinsic motivation - grades can often be counterproductive to that #ElonEd

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:09 PM EDT

A1: I know because my kids look at their marks and then drop their papers in the recycle bin! #ElonEd

In reply to @cbrocatoedu

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:10 PM EDT

I thought that was only my kids!!!! feeling less alone...#ElonEd

In reply to @plugusin

mark_enfield Oct 29 @ 8:10 PM EDT

Mark Enfield arriving late. Elon professor. #ElonEd

teddylynn24 Oct 29 @ 8:10 PM EDT

A1: We hv Ts using record books not gb this year. Anecdotal & other obv. Say they know more abt Ss than ever before. #ElonEd

profpatch Oct 29 @ 8:10 PM EDT

A1: Research shows students w/high grades motivated to maintain, Ss w/low grades demotivated to improve. #eloned

robinbfrench - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:10 PM EDT

A1: Love the idea of data cards where Ss record grades and reflect on strengths & weaknesses. T offers feedback on card too. #ElonEd

jeffpcarpenter - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:10 PM EDT

Thank you for joining us, Dan! #eloned

In reply to @GridleyDaniel, @itsallgrid, @elonuniversity

mrogers401 Oct 29 @ 8:10 PM EDT

A1: I have found that some Ss become stressed and anxious when expecting to be graded, negatively impacting their performance #ElonEd

isaacjwells Oct 29 @ 8:10 PM EDT

A1 P1 Feedback is meant to clarify success criteria & S goals, to describe where Ss are performing now & to help close the gap. #ElonEd

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:11 PM EDT

I'm with you, Molly. Grades shouldn't be the only form of feedback kids receive. But do you think it's the primary form? #ElonEd

In reply to @edusteminist

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:11 PM EDT

how do we get Ss to listen to feedback? #ElonEd

In reply to @MsConesTweets

_mcisneros19 Oct 29 @ 8:11 PM EDT

Hey! I'm Mirella, junior @ Elon, middle grades math major #ElonEd

brogers_20 Oct 29 @ 8:11 PM EDT

A1: We need to have a "scrapbook" of feedback for Ss so they get a diverse report of their work. A grade is where the learning stops.#ElonEd

EmmaBoniche Oct 29 @ 8:11 PM EDT

Hahaha my kids do this too! #ElonEd

In reply to @cbrocatoedu, @plugusin

jeffpcarpenter - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:11 PM EDT

JUUUULLLLLLLIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE #eloned

In reply to @jjsuperhero

eeb1996 Oct 29 @ 8:11 PM EDT

A1: Grades have potential be useful if they are used to adjust and inform instruction according to student performance #eloned

Miki_Salamon Oct 29 @ 8:11 PM EDT

A1: Each Ss learns & excels in different ways. Having one set way to evaluate isn't the best way to ensure academic success #ElonEd

JFinneyfrock - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:11 PM EDT

A1: I think grades need to provide some sort of feedback to the standard #eloned

emma_salsbury Oct 29 @ 8:11 PM EDT

A1: Grades can work if they're accompanied with something other than just a letter. Grades also don't tell the full story #ElonEd

MsCowdrick Oct 29 @ 8:12 PM EDT

Kara '10 - 5th Grade Teacher in ATL - also late to joining #ElonEd chat!

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:12 PM EDT

What percentage of feedback given to kids are grades? #ElonEd

In reply to @edusteminist

biglsclassroom Oct 29 @ 8:12 PM EDT

A1: Glows and Growths are a great way to give feedback @erinhone712 #eloned

sfriedman7elon Oct 29 @ 8:12 PM EDT

A1: Yes, a letter or number does not indicate understanding. Test anxiety = anxiety over the grade, not on knowledge of material #eloned

isaacjwells Oct 29 @ 8:12 PM EDT

A1 P2 Grades may inform Ss how they are performing now, but don't support changing their performance. Grades rank, feedback grows! #ElonEd

MichaelAVaughn Oct 29 @ 8:12 PM EDT

A1: On their own, useless. Not sure of their value outside of questions with definitive/objectively correct answers (2+2=4) #ElonEd

nathan_stevens Oct 29 @ 8:12 PM EDT

A1 I agree with grant but if it wasn’t grades it would be something else #eloned

In reply to @cbrocatoedu

erinhone712 Oct 29 @ 8:12 PM EDT

I think the structure & requirements of each school district provides the answer to that question. #ElonEd

In reply to @plugusin, @edusteminist

nhunnicutt12 Oct 29 @ 8:12 PM EDT

How has this impacted the school's culture? #ElonEd

In reply to @teddylynn24

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:13 PM EDT

Ooooh I like how you put that! #ElonEd

isaacjwells Oct 29 @ 8:12 PM EDT

A1 P2 Grades may inform Ss how they are performing now, but don't support changing their performance. Grades rank, feedback grows! #ElonEd

GridleyDaniel Oct 29 @ 8:13 PM EDT

A1 Hmm. Why do grades start at age 5? My 3 YO doesn’t earn grades & ❤️s learning & making mistakes. Will that change in 2 years? 😳 #eloned

AllieK_HCPS Oct 29 @ 8:13 PM EDT

A1 the only action comes from bad grades is getting in trouble and causing stress about GPA - good grades = no (re)action #ElonEd

In reply to @cbrocatoedu

scomorrison - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:13 PM EDT

I am here for the #ElonEd chat! @appstate grad from long ago. @UNCSchoolofEd grad from a bit ago. Excited about this topic!

tayargue Oct 29 @ 8:13 PM EDT

A1: We use standards based grading in FCPS and it has helped change my perspective a bit in regards to grades #ElonEd

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:13 PM EDT

A1: Maddie -- what other reactions do kids have to grades? Stressed, anxious, _______? #ElonEd

In reply to @mrogers401

jeffpcarpenter - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:13 PM EDT

agreed. & one challenge is often if a grade is attached, students don't really pay attention to the feedback #ElonEd

In reply to @mfharsh

edusteminist Oct 29 @ 8:13 PM EDT

I think Ts give many kinds of feedback to Ss, but sadly, grades are often considered most important to Ss and families. #ElonEd

In reply to @plugusin

_mcisneros19 Oct 29 @ 8:13 PM EDT

A1: I think grading should come along with feedback not just a grade. If it's just a # it doesn't tell Ss how to improve #ElonEd

dunleavydani Oct 29 @ 8:13 PM EDT

A1: Grades connected to defined criteria provide feedback but should not be presented independently. Ss need many forms of feedback #eloned

MsConesTweets Oct 29 @ 8:13 PM EDT

Ts need to model getting feedback and making changes - ask Ss for feedback & adjust your lessons first! #ElonEd

In reply to @cbrocatoedu

MrDpasion Oct 29 @ 8:13 PM EDT

but then is the grade needed? Why not just feedback? #eloned

In reply to @_mcisneros19

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:14 PM EDT

(A1: Defeated came to my mind. Or at least resigned. I don't think kids are ever surprised by the grades that they earn.) #ElonEd

In reply to @mrogers401

mikeaustinwest Oct 29 @ 8:14 PM EDT

A1: Completely agree w @grantwiggins. School is a game. Grades are part of the (rather arbitrary) rules. Grades ≠ intelligence #eloned

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:14 PM EDT

we all know that you love to grade!!! #ElonEd

In reply to @scomorrison

jeffpcarpenter - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:14 PM EDT

hopefully educators see themselves in the growth business, not the ranking business #eloned

In reply to @isaacjwells

profpatch Oct 29 @ 8:14 PM EDT

Entitled: “I am an A student.” Or labeled: “I’m just a C student.” #eloned

In reply to @plugusin, @mrogers401

iincorvati Oct 29 @ 8:14 PM EDT

A1: imo grades often serve as either a confidence crusher or booster, there’s no in between. Ss NEED to know that there is more 1/ #ElonEd

erinhone712 Oct 29 @ 8:14 PM EDT

Yes! And make visible to them that you are changing your lessons/instruction based on that. #ElonEd

In reply to @MsConesTweets, @cbrocatoedu

JFinneyfrock - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:14 PM EDT

Kids learn to play the game #eloned

mikeaustinwest Oct 29 @ 8:14 PM EDT

A1: Completely agree w @grantwiggins. School is a game. Grades are part of the (rather arbitrary) rules. Grades ≠ intelligence #eloned

jeffpcarpenter - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:15 PM EDT

This --> #eloned

MsConesTweets Oct 29 @ 8:13 PM EDT

Ts need to model getting feedback and making changes - ask Ss for feedback & adjust your lessons first! #ElonEd
In reply to @cbrocatoedu

MrDpasion Oct 29 @ 8:15 PM EDT

moving to #feedbackovergrade usually upsets those that have figured out the game of school. #eloned

In reply to @mikeaustinwest, @grantwiggins

mrogers401 Oct 29 @ 8:15 PM EDT

On the other end of the spectrum, I find that some Ss will not look to expand their learning after receiving a satisfactory grade #ElonEd

In reply to @plugusin

nathan_stevens Oct 29 @ 8:15 PM EDT

Grades should be replaced with something more representative of the learning journey and growth process #eloned

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:15 PM EDT

A1: You got it, Mirella. In fact, experts say that the minute you put a grade on the paper, students ignore the feedback. #ElonEd

In reply to @_mcisneros19

AllieK_HCPS Oct 29 @ 8:15 PM EDT

Another problem I see with bad grades is not caring about the material they miss, just getting the numbers higher #ElonEd

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:15 PM EDT

Question two is coming.........#ElonEd

gdsherif Oct 29 @ 8:15 PM EDT

A1: Divorced from a culture of meaningful assessment, the [subjective] numbers mean little. #ElonEd

In reply to @cbrocatoedu

MrDpasion Oct 29 @ 8:15 PM EDT

i like stickers w/ glitter ;) #eloned

In reply to @nathan_stevens

jjsuperhero Oct 29 @ 8:16 PM EDT

Grades - more target feedback than *actionable* feedback - they tell IF you're meeting a learning target, but not HOW to meet it ? #eloned

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:16 PM EDT

Q2: How do students respond to grades -- and are those responses healthy or unhealthy? #ElonEd

msabigailpeel Oct 29 @ 8:16 PM EDT

When feedback throughout a process becomes the norm in your class, the class encourages GROWTH (not perfection) #growthmindset #eloned

In reply to @cbrocatoedu, @MsConesTweets

anniecrab Oct 29 @ 8:16 PM EDT

A1 Consider pending pilot at UNC et al for a transcript that not only shows grades but median for course- context matters. #ElonEd

iincorvati Oct 29 @ 8:16 PM EDT

A1 cont: more to them than a letter or number. They need constructive criticism and to know that we think they can be better! 2/ #ElonEd

jeffpcarpenter - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:16 PM EDT

and, someone is teaching them the game too #eloned

In reply to @JFinneyfrock

nathan_stevens Oct 29 @ 8:16 PM EDT

I like that but something like @Seesaw where you can see the process and look for benchmarks of knowledge acquisition #eloned

In reply to @MrDpasion, @Seesaw

EmmaBoniche Oct 29 @ 8:16 PM EDT

ALLIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #ElonEd

In reply to @AllieK_HCPS

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:17 PM EDT

My buddy @mrscienceteach argues that we can't skip "the essential epilogue" -- helping kids to look at work after it's completed #ElonEd

In reply to @_mcisneros19, @mrscienceteach

mikeaustinwest Oct 29 @ 8:17 PM EDT

A2: Which students? #eloned

lhmiles2 Oct 29 @ 8:17 PM EDT

I almost had a mutiny on my hands when I told students they would not be getting a grade for the last project they did. #eloned

In reply to @MrDpasion, @mikeaustinwest, @grantwiggins

scomorrison - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:17 PM EDT

Those who benefit from the current grading system are most likely to defend it, no? #ElonEd

MrDpasion Oct 29 @ 8:15 PM EDT

moving to #feedbackovergrade usually upsets those that have figured out the game of school. #eloned
In reply to @mikeaustinwest, @grantwiggins

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:17 PM EDT

A2: as a student, my response to grades was very unhealthy..filled with lots of anxiety. i'm sure @MichaelJBrocato remembers well #ElonEd

nathan_stevens Oct 29 @ 8:17 PM EDT

What about glittery taco stickers #Eloned

In reply to @MrDpasion

edusteminist Oct 29 @ 8:17 PM EDT

A2: Grades (high or low) can cause Ss to have a fixed mindset. Where's the room to grow with only quantitative feedback? #ElonEd

MrDpasion Oct 29 @ 8:18 PM EDT

it always takes me a while to change the culture of grade when i get a new class. #eloned

In reply to @lhmiles2, @mikeaustinwest, @grantwiggins

nathan_stevens Oct 29 @ 8:18 PM EDT

I love your chat. So many good thoughts #eloned

In reply to @scomorrison

mikeaustinwest Oct 29 @ 8:18 PM EDT

Much like other forms of institutional advantage 😏 #eloned

In reply to @scomorrison

jeffpcarpenter - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:18 PM EDT

HI ISABEL! #eloned

In reply to @iincorvati

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:18 PM EDT

A2: I feel like a majority of my Ss, especially those that need to grow academically, do not care about their grades #ElonEd

AllieK_HCPS Oct 29 @ 8:18 PM EDT

A2 @ my school Ss either care way 2 much about their grades or none @ all...either way they don’t care about the means just the ends #ElonEd

In reply to @cbrocatoedu

nhunnicutt12 Oct 29 @ 8:18 PM EDT

A2: I feel Ss responses are mixed based upon how passionate they are about learning, and their support at home #ElonEd

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:18 PM EDT

A2: After getting a low score, my kids never say, "How can I master this task?" Instead they say, "How can I raise my score." #ElonEd

In reply to @cbrocatoedu

Miki_Salamon Oct 29 @ 8:18 PM EDT

A2: Grades can easily allow Ss to label themselves as "A" or "C" student, which can often limit their full ability to learn #ElonEd

sfriedman7elon Oct 29 @ 8:19 PM EDT

A2: I've found that students are either indifferent, highly motivated by, or extremely discouraged by grades. Some healthy, come not #eloned

nathan_stevens Oct 29 @ 8:19 PM EDT

Or those whose parents focus on grades as the reason for living #eloned

In reply to @scomorrison

brogers_20 Oct 29 @ 8:19 PM EDT

A2: Some Ss can be competitive and share their grades with others. Grades are personal. Too much pressure put on Ss by peers. #ElonEd

gdsherif Oct 29 @ 8:19 PM EDT

A2: I’ve seen rich/ Ss become more obsessed w/ grades at the expense of reflection. Consider having Ss evil their own work @plugusin #ElonEd

In reply to @cbrocatoedu, @plugusin

MichaelAVaughn Oct 29 @ 8:19 PM EDT

A2: Was at #ISSOTL17 a few weeks ago and a poster went into this. Student response depending on their development level #ElonEd

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:19 PM EDT

You got it, Abigail. And I think most teachers would agree. But why doesn't this kind of "throughout" feedback happen more often? #ElonEd

In reply to @msabigailpeel, @cbrocatoedu, @MsConesTweets

edusteminist Oct 29 @ 8:19 PM EDT

And where's the room to make mistakes? #eloned

biglsclassroom Oct 29 @ 8:20 PM EDT

A2: I feel that sometimes Ss see grades as how much effort they have to put in, not how much they understand. Objective grades? #eloned

MsCowdrick Oct 29 @ 8:20 PM EDT

A2: As elementary Ts, we have power to teach kids how to appropriately respond to grades & feedback. #growthmindset #ElonEd

tayargue Oct 29 @ 8:20 PM EDT

A2: I use a flower model with Ss & parents to help understand. 1 = seed planted / 2 = sprouting / 3 = blooming / 4 = flourishing #ElonEd

MrDpasion Oct 29 @ 8:20 PM EDT

A2. Ss that care about grades are Ss who value ranking over growth. Want students 2 ask me how to improve over what grade did i get. #eloned

EmmaBoniche Oct 29 @ 8:20 PM EDT

A2: Either my kids care too much about their grades or dont care at all and tell me they dont care that they are failing #ElonEd

dunleavydani Oct 29 @ 8:20 PM EDT

A2: The inflation of grades has completed skewed Ss interpretation. C should be average, but lower than A is seen as unsatisfactory #ElonEd

nathan_stevens Oct 29 @ 8:20 PM EDT

Or Maker = everyone processing and creating while learning #ElonEd

In reply to @scomorrison

profpatch Oct 29 @ 8:20 PM EDT

A2: As transaction between student & teacher: T assigns work, S does work, T grades work. The end. Process does not matter. #eloned

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:20 PM EDT

Oh, Gamal -- I don't know if you meant "evil their own work" or "eval their own work", but I love BOTH! #ElonEd

In reply to @gdsherif, @cbrocatoedu

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:20 PM EDT

A2: I think a lot of Ts would say it takes much longer and therefore, not feasible...#ElonEd

In reply to @plugusin, @msabigailpeel, @MsConesTweets

iincorvati Oct 29 @ 8:21 PM EDT

Agreed! Ts can’t just drop feedback off. Return to the topic and have Ss get out the assignment and read the feedback again #ElonEd

In reply to @msabigailpeel, @cbrocatoedu, @MsConesTweets

msabigailpeel Oct 29 @ 8:21 PM EDT

A2: Ss respond to grades w/ anxiety or not at all. Feedback w/out grades boosts confidence, pushes learning, & crushes perfectionism #eloned

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:21 PM EDT

And you are right: Grades are just as unhealthy for successful students as they are for unsuccessful students. #ElonEd

In reply to @gdsherif, @cbrocatoedu

erinhone712 Oct 29 @ 8:21 PM EDT

Absolutely relate to this! #ElonEd

In reply to @dunleavydani

iincorvati Oct 29 @ 8:21 PM EDT

HI DR. CARPENTER!! #ElonEd

In reply to @jeffpcarpenter

s_rush10 Oct 29 @ 8:21 PM EDT

Q2: So many factors play into Ss responses to grades. There is a huge difference between -98 or a +2 on the top of a paper. #eloned #edu401

MichaelAVaughn Oct 29 @ 8:21 PM EDT

A2: I also worry about the role label grades play in promoting perfectionism. “A” students are often terrified of anything less #ElonEd

mrogers401 Oct 29 @ 8:21 PM EDT

This is so true! It can be so hard to ensure students that a "C" is not the end of the world #ElonEd

In reply to @dunleavydani

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:21 PM EDT

It's almost as if grades become a reflection of a student's self-worth/identity. That's heartbreaking to me. #ElonEd

In reply to @gdsherif, @cbrocatoedu

gdsherif Oct 29 @ 8:22 PM EDT

Rich/Poor... eval. Curse you autocorrect! #ElonEd

In reply to @plugusin, @cbrocatoedu

eeb1996 Oct 29 @ 8:22 PM EDT

THIS! Teachers always talk about establishing a growth mindset but the grading leaves no room for students to make mistakes and grow #eloned

In reply to @edusteminist

Mainergonesouth Oct 29 @ 8:22 PM EDT

A1. Quality Feedback w/rubrics is better than a grade. Late work is 👎 with taking points away doesn’t demonstrate what was learned. #eloned

GridleyDaniel Oct 29 @ 8:22 PM EDT

A2 Grades substituted w/ number of smiles by Ss, collaboratively created projects & number of tissues Ps use at parent/T meetings? #eloned

rb27215 Oct 29 @ 8:22 PM EDT

Teachers have to build time into schedule to provide ongoing feedback and create a climate for that to occur #ElonEd

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:22 PM EDT

me as a student in a nutshell...#ElonEd

MichaelAVaughn Oct 29 @ 8:21 PM EDT

A2: I also worry about the role label grades play in promoting perfectionism. “A” students are often terrified of anything less #ElonEd

s_rush10 Oct 29 @ 8:22 PM EDT

A2: So many factors play into Ss responses to grades. There is a huge difference between -98 or a +2 on the top of a paper. #eloned #edu401

Miki_Salamon Oct 29 @ 8:22 PM EDT

This has definitely been the case in my experience. Hopefully chats like this can inspire and evoke positive change! #ElonEd

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:21 PM EDT

It's almost as if grades become a reflection of a student's self-worth/identity. That's heartbreaking to me. #ElonEd
In reply to @gdsherif, @cbrocatoedu

erinhone712 Oct 29 @ 8:22 PM EDT

And don't we really want our students to see that C and say, "what do I not know how to do YET?" and then work towards that! #ElonEd

In reply to @mrogers401, @dunleavydani

biglsclassroom Oct 29 @ 8:22 PM EDT

Especially when teachers hand back tests in grade order (highest to lowest) #eloned

In reply to @brogers_20

MsConesTweets Oct 29 @ 8:22 PM EDT

A2: We don't talk about the grades - we focus more on what we did really well, explaining our work, and how we can improve #eloned

msabigailpeel Oct 29 @ 8:22 PM EDT

And teaching Ss how to cope w/ those negative feelings is part of our job, too! #INeedAPsychDegree #ElonEd

In reply to @cbrocatoedu, @MichaelJBrocato

scomorrison - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:22 PM EDT

How does competition complicate teaching, grading, and learning? #ElonEd

brogers_20 Oct 29 @ 8:19 PM EDT

A2: Some Ss can be competitive and share their grades with others. Grades are personal. Too much pressure put on Ss by peers. #ElonEd

eeb1996 Oct 29 @ 8:23 PM EDT

THIS! Teachers always talk about establishing a growth mindset but grades leave no room for students to make mistakes and grow #eloned

In reply to @edusteminist

mikeaustinwest Oct 29 @ 8:23 PM EDT

Is this not part of the problem? Grades reinforce the transactional nature of school. Relational> Transactional. Feedback helps this #eloned

profpatch Oct 29 @ 8:20 PM EDT

A2: As transaction between student & teacher: T assigns work, S does work, T grades work. The end. Process does not matter. #eloned

isaacjwells Oct 29 @ 8:23 PM EDT

A2 Variety in our answers hints at the root of the problem: the reaction to grades isn't consistent & doesn't always lead to growth. #ElonEd

MsConesTweets Oct 29 @ 8:23 PM EDT

I love the power of YET! #eloned

In reply to @erinhone712, @mrogers401, @dunleavydani

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:23 PM EDT

And what's really nuts, Miki, is kids learn those labels a lot sooner than we think. My daughter is 8. She knows she's a 2. #ElonEd

In reply to @Miki_Salamon

scomorrison - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:23 PM EDT

I have not seen this before, and my first thought is that I really like it. #ElonEd

tayargue Oct 29 @ 8:20 PM EDT

A2: I use a flower model with Ss & parents to help understand. 1 = seed planted / 2 = sprouting / 3 = blooming / 4 = flourishing #ElonEd

_mcisneros19 Oct 29 @ 8:24 PM EDT

A2: At my placements Ss always ask if the work they are doing is graded, if it isn't they just don't try. This is not ok #ElonEd

robinbfrench - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:24 PM EDT

A2: It feels often that Ss are driven by grades. Their favorite question “is this graded?” And if no they don’t see purpose. #ElonEd

nathan_stevens Oct 29 @ 8:24 PM EDT

Depends on who the students are competing against. I am all for competing against one’s self but not against others #eloned

In reply to @scomorrison

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:24 PM EDT

Question 3 coming shortly #ElonEd

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:24 PM EDT

You got it, Benjamin. My daughter's classmates started comparing and sharing their grades last year. They were second graders. #ElonEd

In reply to @brogers_20

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:24 PM EDT

I never answer when they ask that.......#ElonEd

In reply to @robinbfrench

MrDpasion Oct 29 @ 8:24 PM EDT

I always respond should it matter. Interesting to hear their varied answers. #eloned

In reply to @robinbfrench

Courtintheclass Oct 29 @ 8:25 PM EDT

#Eloned check out this awesome handout! Love the idea of using this for a student reflection & brainstorm

LaurenPorosoff Oct 29 @ 8:23 PM EDT

Help them articulate why a chosen topic matters to them.
In reply to @Courtintheclass, @MissZarzaca, @Edu_Thompson

MsCowdrick Oct 29 @ 8:25 PM EDT

Agree! When do you think they start to think this? #ElonEd

In reply to @_mcisneros19

MsConesTweets Oct 29 @ 8:25 PM EDT

I've seen this same concept shown in a cake form - I love that this image portrays more of the growth aspect! #eloned

In reply to @tayargue

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:25 PM EDT

Q3: How do parents and teachers view grades -- and are those viewpoints healthy or unhealthy? #ElonEd

angrabe Oct 29 @ 8:25 PM EDT

#eloned A1 grades r necessary to interface with formal edu system but incomplete way of providing feedback.

scomorrison - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:25 PM EDT

Yes! What do grades ACTUALLY MEAN? With averages, curves, extra support, retakes... what is being measured? #ElonEd

dunleavydani Oct 29 @ 8:20 PM EDT

A2: The inflation of grades has completed skewed Ss interpretation. C should be average, but lower than A is seen as unsatisfactory #ElonEd

tayargue Oct 29 @ 8:25 PM EDT

I like it b/c it points to potential in all Ss regardless of ability. Lots of different flowers, lots of different seasons to bloom! #ElonEd

In reply to @scomorrison

mark_enfield Oct 29 @ 8:25 PM EDT

I’ve seen it too with my 10 year-old. It doesn’t promote comprehension or understanding, just performance. #ElonEd

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:24 PM EDT

You got it, Benjamin. My daughter's classmates started comparing and sharing their grades last year. They were second graders. #ElonEd
In reply to @brogers_20

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:25 PM EDT

This is an interesting thread, MPW. And the more transactional schools become, the less they resonate with kids. #ElonEd

In reply to @mikeaustinwest

dunleavydani Oct 29 @ 8:25 PM EDT

Competition implies winners and losers. Teaching and learning should be on a spectrum of proficiency, not "I get it and you don't" #ElonEd

In reply to @scomorrison

MrDpasion Oct 29 @ 8:26 PM EDT

A3. Ps view grades the way they did as Ss. Another hurdle in changing grading practices. #eloned

Mainergonesouth Oct 29 @ 8:26 PM EDT

A2 grades reaffirm what Ss already know about themselves. I’m smart or not. Why kick them when they’re down? Help them be successful #eloned

scomorrison - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:26 PM EDT

Almost like an assembly line, no? A linear process. Maybe needs to be more circular? #ElonEd

profpatch Oct 29 @ 8:20 PM EDT

A2: As transaction between student & teacher: T assigns work, S does work, T grades work. The end. Process does not matter. #eloned

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:26 PM EDT

A3: Sometimes, grading is rewarding when I see a Ss master a concept. I also love to see what Ss are thinking...#ElonEd

eeb1996 Oct 29 @ 8:26 PM EDT

A3: Parents tend to put an unhealthy amount of pressure on their children to get good grades.. it takes the joy away from learning #eloned

msabigailpeel Oct 29 @ 8:26 PM EDT

Because good teaching takes time! Quality formative assessment to inform instruction OR bulldoze through material? Take. The. Time. #ElonEd

In reply to @plugusin, @cbrocatoedu, @MsConesTweets

mikeaustinwest Oct 29 @ 8:27 PM EDT

Yup! This is especially true for kids who have historically not done well in the "schooling" paradigm #eloned

In reply to @plugusin

mark_enfield Oct 29 @ 8:27 PM EDT

A2: It is important to keep the tasks in mind too. When I’ve given more authentic, or even real tasks, the grading isn’t an issue. #ElonEd

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:27 PM EDT

But how do we get beyond the competitive aspect of grading in a world where getting into college is competitive? #ElonEd

In reply to @dunleavydani, @scomorrison

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:27 PM EDT

A3: Grading is probably more beneficial to me than the Ss...it guides my instruction and helps lead my Ss towards mastery...#ElonEd

scomorrison - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:27 PM EDT

These #ElonEd chats make me feel pretty good about our @Elon_Ed alumni.

msabigailpeel Oct 29 @ 8:21 PM EDT

A2: Ss respond to grades w/ anxiety or not at all. Feedback w/out grades boosts confidence, pushes learning, & crushes perfectionism #eloned

angrabe Oct 29 @ 8:27 PM EDT

#eloned A1 grades do not show the way to improvements, grades define the status quo. Feedback should be formative.

msabigailpeel Oct 29 @ 8:27 PM EDT

Normalize feedback w/out grades in your class. They will stop asking eventually :) #ElonEd

In reply to @_mcisneros19

profpatch Oct 29 @ 8:27 PM EDT

Same here! #ElonEd

mark_enfield Oct 29 @ 8:27 PM EDT

A2: It is important to keep the tasks in mind too. When I’ve given more authentic, or even real tasks, the grading isn’t an issue. #ElonEd

AllieK_HCPS Oct 29 @ 8:28 PM EDT

A3 esp @ my school there’s a lot of pressure for good grades, high GPAs, getting into college. Don’t care abt learning, just results #ElonEd

In reply to @cbrocatoedu

nhunnicutt12 Oct 29 @ 8:28 PM EDT

I’d love to learn more about it, and I’m really interested to see if the school culture does change. #ElonEd

In reply to @teddylynn24

biglsclassroom Oct 29 @ 8:28 PM EDT

A3: I think it depends on how Ts use parent conferences, the idea of "not yet" for some achievements is important #eloned

MrDpasion Oct 29 @ 8:28 PM EDT

That's the question! Grading practices are determined by system of college admissions. And it trickles down ... #eloned

In reply to @plugusin, @dunleavydani, @scomorrison

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:28 PM EDT

Need an example: Check out Elon's Undergraduate Admissions Criteria: https://t.co/nK7HUMzAtX #ElonEd

In reply to @dunleavydani, @scomorrison

mikeaustinwest Oct 29 @ 8:28 PM EDT

My2cents: you don't get into college because you understand content. You get in because you over-stand it. Grades don't fuel passion #eloned

In reply to @plugusin, @dunleavydani, @scomorrison

MrDpasion Oct 29 @ 8:28 PM EDT

how do we change that? #eloned

In reply to @plugusin, @dunleavydani, @scomorrison

profpatch Oct 29 @ 8:28 PM EDT

@ElonENG alumni, too! #ElonEd

In reply to @scomorrison, @Elon_Ed, @ElonENG

teddylynn24 Oct 29 @ 8:28 PM EDT

A3: Most Ps & some Ts default to their own ed experience, ignore the research & tink grades are end all be all of accountability #ElonEd

Amanda_McMahon1 Oct 29 @ 8:28 PM EDT

Looks like a grading vs. not grading debate is going on in both the elon ed chat and the 21st ed chat! #eloned

MichaelAVaughn Oct 29 @ 8:29 PM EDT

A3: Raises an interesting point about how to effectively communicate student progress with parents #ElonEd

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:29 PM EDT

change needs to start at the top. #ElonEd

In reply to @MrDpasion, @plugusin, @dunleavydani, @scomorrison

edusteminist Oct 29 @ 8:29 PM EDT

A3: Grades are often the only thing families know about academic success. Can we teach them the power of growth, grit, and mindset? #ElonEd

mrogers401 Oct 29 @ 8:29 PM EDT

A3: Report card day was dreaded in my peers' homes. We should be encouraging our Ss to be proud of their grades and aim for growth #ElonEd

scomorrison - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:29 PM EDT

Taking points off for lateness is not assessing content, right? #ElonEd

Mainergonesouth Oct 29 @ 8:22 PM EDT

A1. Quality Feedback w/rubrics is better than a grade. Late work is 👎 with taking points away doesn’t demonstrate what was learned. #eloned

brogers_20 Oct 29 @ 8:29 PM EDT

A3:My parents and I always got frustrated when my T said my "grade didn't reflect my learning". Then, what is the purpose of a grade?#ElonEd

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:29 PM EDT

Whenever I nudge people around grading, they say, "But we need to prepare kids for college." (Prepare = Help Raise Their Scores). #ElonEd

In reply to @dunleavydani, @scomorrison

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:30 PM EDT

A3: I think it would be more beneficial for parents if teachers included a narrative abt their Ss performance along with the grade...#ElonEd

_mcisneros19 Oct 29 @ 8:30 PM EDT

A3: too often teachers, parents, & schools think grades represent Ss potential and futures. Ss are more than just a number #ElonEd

jjsuperhero Oct 29 @ 8:30 PM EDT

Q2&Q3 Healthy/not healthy & how people respond? depends on what the grade is for - learning or doingschool?meeting a goal or growth? #eloned

jeffpcarpenter - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:30 PM EDT

In our society I think competing against others is more common than against self #eloned

In reply to @nathan_stevens, @scomorrison

Mainergonesouth Oct 29 @ 8:30 PM EDT

A3. Ts and parents understand grades. They struggle with standards based grading - always try to make it a letter grade. #eloned

GridleyDaniel Oct 29 @ 8:30 PM EDT

A3 My 7 YO just said that if he gets a grade below a 90%, he’s mad. I care about HIS thinking. Not a grade. He cares about a grade. #eloned

MrDpasion Oct 29 @ 8:30 PM EDT

hmmm ... if only there were people in positions that could influence change ... #eloned

In reply to @cbrocatoedu, @plugusin, @dunleavydani, @scomorrison

erinhone712 Oct 29 @ 8:30 PM EDT

A3: I have found those outside of the field of EDU still really struggle with what true learning really is. #ElonEd

mrogers401 Oct 29 @ 8:30 PM EDT

As for my household, my parents always looked solely at the "effort" grade which made for a much more positive atmosphere #ElonEd

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:30 PM EDT

They are brilliant and passionate, Scott. It's really cool to watch! #ElonEd

In reply to @scomorrison, @Elon_Ed

profpatch Oct 29 @ 8:31 PM EDT

Or just empower Ss to talk about their work—not their grades—with parents? #eloned

In reply to @edusteminist

nathan_stevens Oct 29 @ 8:31 PM EDT

But there are so many students that are uncomfortable with that #ElonEd

In reply to @jeffpcarpenter, @scomorrison

tayargue Oct 29 @ 8:31 PM EDT

A3: I find parents are typically more intense than Ss when grades are involved, at least in 3rd grade world 🤓 #ElonEd

rb27215 Oct 29 @ 8:31 PM EDT

If parents were actively involved this would be a great solution...I don's see most parents involved that much #ElonEd

In reply to @cbrocatoedu

mikeaustinwest Oct 29 @ 8:31 PM EDT

The line of "preparing Ss for the next level" is not real relevance IMO. That's just more circular logic that reinforces the game #eloned

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:29 PM EDT

Whenever I nudge people around grading, they say, "But we need to prepare kids for college." (Prepare = Help Raise Their Scores). #ElonEd
In reply to @dunleavydani, @scomorrison

erinhone712 Oct 29 @ 8:31 PM EDT

A3: Proficiency is so important, yet not often the focus. #ElonEd

anniecrab Oct 29 @ 8:31 PM EDT

Q3 Who got paid for a report card with A's? #ElonEd

courtney_beavan Oct 29 @ 8:31 PM EDT

A3: Ps love concrete numbers perhaps bc of their traditional school experience, Ts hate grading-- hard to put a number on progress #ElonEd

angrabe Oct 29 @ 8:31 PM EDT

#ElonEd A2 p1 seen to many times: If there is a grade along with a quality feedback... The grade catches most of the attention and ...

dunleavydani Oct 29 @ 8:31 PM EDT

We should encourage the "competitive" nature of resilience. Ss that recover faster than others will be more successful in life #ElonEd

In reply to @plugusin, @scomorrison

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:32 PM EDT

A3: I actually think many teachers have a healthier view of grades than parents do! #ElonEd

In reply to @cbrocatoedu

Mainergonesouth Oct 29 @ 8:32 PM EDT

Grades rank us and separate us into fixed mindset - time to change the rules. Also, Ts aren’t often aligned in grading practices #eloned

mfharsh Oct 29 @ 8:32 PM EDT

They did this at my elementary school and justified a grade with progress for report cards.#eloned

In reply to @cbrocatoedu

scomorrison - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:32 PM EDT

Makes sense, though, right? What will you do to help them think differently about learning? #ElonEd

In reply to @_mcisneros19

nathan_stevens Oct 29 @ 8:32 PM EDT

I freaked out one of my son’s teachers when she called about his grades and I told her that I didn’t care about about the grade #ElonEd

In reply to @GridleyDaniel

GridleyDaniel Oct 29 @ 8:32 PM EDT

Had a chat about college selection yesterday. It’s about the school culture that matters more than the rep an institution has. IMO #eloned

In reply to @mikeaustinwest, @plugusin, @dunleavydani, @scomorrison

erinhone712 Oct 29 @ 8:32 PM EDT

I completely agree! #ElonEd

In reply to @plugusin, @cbrocatoedu

MrDpasion Oct 29 @ 8:32 PM EDT

A3. The reinforcement that I got when it came to grades what not of the positive kind .... #eloned

In reply to @anniecrab

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:32 PM EDT

(A3: Which means we need to do a better job educating the parents of our communities about the role of grades in schools!) #ElonEd

In reply to @cbrocatoedu

scomorrison - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:32 PM EDT

Which points to the problem, right? How can we help them reframe their thinking? #ElonEd

In reply to @robinbfrench

jeffpcarpenter - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:32 PM EDT

Mid #ElonEd chat Lyla decided her birthday should be celebrated now (it is in April)

biglsclassroom Oct 29 @ 8:32 PM EDT

I agree! Ss can do so much more than try to pay attention to take a test #eloned

In reply to @_mcisneros19

tayargue Oct 29 @ 8:32 PM EDT

A3: though interestingly enough, grades were sore subject for me in high school - parents’ mantra was “you’re capable of A’s” #ElonEd

MsConesTweets Oct 29 @ 8:33 PM EDT

A3: and how many Ss got punished when they didn't get good grades? #eloned

In reply to @anniecrab

brogers_20 Oct 29 @ 8:33 PM EDT

What does Lyla think about grading? #ElonEd

In reply to @jeffpcarpenter

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:33 PM EDT

That's a good way to explain it, Anselmo. The formal ed system may require grades -- but we shouldn't mistake that for feedback. #ElonEd

In reply to @angrabe

jeffpcarpenter - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:33 PM EDT

Agree #eloned

In reply to @nathan_stevens, @scomorrison

profpatch Oct 29 @ 8:33 PM EDT

🙋🏻#ElonEd

In reply to @anniecrab

angrabe Oct 29 @ 8:33 PM EDT

#ElonEd A2 p2 ... And quality feedback might be ignored or "devaluated" to a simple comment.

MsConesTweets Oct 29 @ 8:34 PM EDT

Yes! I completely agree! #eloned

In reply to @plugusin, @cbrocatoedu

MsCowdrick Oct 29 @ 8:34 PM EDT

Truth! And...think about how this impacts what individuals look for on a resume after graduation. #ElonEd Is it really about the GPA?

In reply to @erinhone712

EmmaBoniche Oct 29 @ 8:34 PM EDT

Sorry I have to leave so soon but I just lost power so no wifi...so no computer and I need to save phone battery #eloned

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:34 PM EDT

Question 4 will bring a shift into the conversation.......are you ready? #ElonEd

JFinneyfrock - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:35 PM EDT

A3: positive reinforcement always works better. But being intrinsically motivated beats them all #eloned

mark_enfield Oct 29 @ 8:35 PM EDT

I love that you bring this in. I say this all the time.#eloned

MsCowdrick Oct 29 @ 8:34 PM EDT

Truth! And...think about how this impacts what individuals look for on a resume after graduation. #ElonEd Is it really about the GPA?
In reply to @erinhone712

jeffpcarpenter - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:35 PM EDT

Lyla thinks school is fun so obviously she hasn't encountered grades yet #eloned

In reply to @brogers_20

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:35 PM EDT

What's crazy is she'd be motivated to learn anything, right? You don't need to incentivize learning for a toddler. What changes? #ElonEd

In reply to @jeffpcarpenter

brogers_20 Oct 29 @ 8:35 PM EDT

A4: Yes #ElonEd

isaacjwells Oct 29 @ 8:35 PM EDT

A3 As school has evolved beyond fact mastery, grades have become less accurate & more subjective. Yet we pretend they are precise. #ElonEd

biglsclassroom Oct 29 @ 8:35 PM EDT

I think it it more about experiences and how to articulate them #eloned

In reply to @MsCowdrick, @erinhone712

scomorrison - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:35 PM EDT

We are going to ruminate on this tweet in #EDU441 tomorrow. #ElonEd

Mainergonesouth Oct 29 @ 8:26 PM EDT

A2 grades reaffirm what Ss already know about themselves. I’m smart or not. Why kick them when they’re down? Help them be successful #eloned

mikeaustinwest Oct 29 @ 8:36 PM EDT

Socialization 😂 #eloned

In reply to @plugusin, @jeffpcarpenter

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:36 PM EDT

Q4: What is positive about the role that grades play in education? #ElonEd

angrabe Oct 29 @ 8:36 PM EDT

#ElonEd nice to participate. Hi all from Buenos Aires Argentina.

In reply to @scomorrison

profpatch Oct 29 @ 8:36 PM EDT

I wasn’t truly intrinsically motivated until mid-way through undergrad...#ElonEd

In reply to @JFinneyfrock

dunleavydani Oct 29 @ 8:37 PM EDT

A3: Parents grew up with grades being the end-all be-all, so they see it the same way with their own children. #ElonEd

rb27215 Oct 29 @ 8:37 PM EDT

I think that for some students grades can be an incentive to move toward mastery and understanding. #ElonEd

In reply to @cbrocatoedu

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:37 PM EDT

Yup. And we kick them task after task, class after class every year until they graduate. It's pointless and hurtful. #ElonEd

In reply to @Mainergonesouth

anniecrab Oct 29 @ 8:37 PM EDT

A3 Electronic gradebooks made a big impact on transparency in my district. Parents could see everything every day. #ElonEd

brogers_20 Oct 29 @ 8:37 PM EDT

A4: Grades unfortunately keep kids in school because they are necessary for Ss to move up the "scale" and get a successful job. #ElonEd

profpatch Oct 29 @ 8:38 PM EDT

A4: Someone mentioned this earlier: Great way to measure the effectiveness of your teaching and recalibrate if necessary. #ElonEd

edusteminist Oct 29 @ 8:38 PM EDT

A4: Grades prompt families, Ss, and Ts to reflect on student progress. But it shouldn't be the only time to engage in reflection #ElonEd

MichaelAVaughn Oct 29 @ 8:38 PM EDT

A4: This feels like the guy who asked Clinton and Trump to say something nice about each other at the last debate #ElonEd

mrogers401 Oct 29 @ 8:38 PM EDT

A4: If implemented properly, they provide crucial feedback for teachers AND students #ElonEd

KatieAGPhelps Oct 29 @ 8:38 PM EDT

A4: Can encourage honest dialogue and team goal-setting btwn teacher and learner. #eloned

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:38 PM EDT

actually laughed out loud.......#ElonEd

MichaelAVaughn Oct 29 @ 8:38 PM EDT

A4: This feels like the guy who asked Clinton and Trump to say something nice about each other at the last debate #ElonEd

sfriedman7elon Oct 29 @ 8:38 PM EDT

A4: I think grades can be a motivating force. In @schledorn class Fri, S got test grade back, made connect. b/w attending...1/2 #eloned

erinhone712 Oct 29 @ 8:38 PM EDT

Same! #ElonEd

In reply to @cbrocatoedu

isaacjwells Oct 29 @ 8:38 PM EDT

A3 Parents are led to believe an A is a constant. Grading practices vary within schools, subjects, & even for Ss in the same class. #ElonEd

sfriedman7elon Oct 29 @ 8:39 PM EDT

A4: 2/2 school and learning everything from the unit. Awesome lightbulb moment #eloned

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:39 PM EDT

Love this, Isaac. We really DO pretend that our grades are precise -- accurate indicators of what a kid knows and can do. #ElonEd

In reply to @isaacjwells

GridleyDaniel Oct 29 @ 8:39 PM EDT

A4 I barely passed a required art class in HS. Still working to grow my artistic skills. A grade didn’t inspire me. #eloned

MsConesTweets Oct 29 @ 8:39 PM EDT

A4: Grades can be motivating for some students... #eloned

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:40 PM EDT

But I'm pretty darn skeptical about that. My guess is that grades are nothing more than a rough estimate of mastery in most cases. #ElonEd

In reply to @isaacjwells

scomorrison - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:40 PM EDT

As a parent, I wanted to know that the teacher knew and cared for my child. Their "progress" came secondary. Anyone else feel that? #ElonEd

In reply to @MichaelAVaughn

eeb1996 Oct 29 @ 8:40 PM EDT

A4: Grades hold students accountable for their performance and can help to build a sense of responsibility #eloned

mfharsh Oct 29 @ 8:40 PM EDT

A4: I think grades can be motivation for some Ss to do better and grow but others that may be the best they can do #eloned

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:40 PM EDT

A4: it's really cool seeing a Ss face when they do well on something they had no confidence in/worked really hard on #ElonEd

nhunnicutt12 Oct 29 @ 8:40 PM EDT

A4: Grades allow for a quantitative reflection on how a S is progressing. #ElonEd

Miki_Salamon Oct 29 @ 8:40 PM EDT

A4: Grades could potentially help motivate some Ss to work harder/ "do better" if they are struggling academically. #ElonEd

emma_salsbury Oct 29 @ 8:40 PM EDT

A4: Grades give a quick representation of how a student performed/is performing #eloned

dunleavydani Oct 29 @ 8:41 PM EDT

A4: Grades can be an intrinsic motivational factor for some Ss. I know they were and still are for me #ElonEd

anniecrab Oct 29 @ 8:41 PM EDT

A4There are some people who are motivated by the accumulation of accolades #ElonEd

scomorrison - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:41 PM EDT

Do teachers have the potential/agency to shift the narrative/focus/frame? I think so. #ElonEd

edusteminist Oct 29 @ 8:29 PM EDT

A3: Grades are often the only thing families know about academic success. Can we teach them the power of growth, grit, and mindset? #ElonEd

AllieK_HCPS Oct 29 @ 8:41 PM EDT

A4 I’ve had many Ss who get their first high science grade in my class. Shifts their self-image - maybe I CAN do science #ElonEd

In reply to @cbrocatoedu

msabigailpeel Oct 29 @ 8:41 PM EDT

Yes! Communicating your views of grades is also key. No grey area between parents, students, and the teacher! #ElonEd

In reply to @isaacjwells

MrDpasion Oct 29 @ 8:41 PM EDT

A4. I appreciate trying 2 find positive in grades, but 4 each answer so far, there' are Ss that it does the opposite for. #eloned

tayargue Oct 29 @ 8:41 PM EDT

A4: common and objective grading can be good for teacher teams; helps establish grading norms #ElonEd

erinhone712 Oct 29 @ 8:41 PM EDT

Absolutely! I knew, though, if they had a relationship with my child, she would show progress! #ElonEd

In reply to @scomorrison, @MichaelAVaughn

teddylynn24 Oct 29 @ 8:41 PM EDT

A4: If “grades” r determined using a well-thought scoring guide or rubric then there might be some hope. Straight posts/pct...No. #ElonED

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:42 PM EDT

A4: Whether we like it or not, they are still a method of communication that parents understand. That has value #ElonEd

In reply to @cbrocatoedu

GridleyDaniel Oct 29 @ 8:42 PM EDT

A4 A student I mentor said for the first time last week, “I’m going to go to university.” His grades didn’t inspire him. #Connection #eloned

AllieK_HCPS Oct 29 @ 8:42 PM EDT

A4 Contd and when they aren’t used to high grades but did work hard & achieve them everyone feels good #ElonEd

In reply to @cbrocatoedu

courtney_beavan Oct 29 @ 8:42 PM EDT

A4: Grades often start a dialogue between parent, student and teacher... builds community on how to better support student #ElonEd

nathan_stevens Oct 29 @ 8:42 PM EDT

I would say a grade reinforces stereotypes placed on a student #Eloned

In reply to @scomorrison

mark_enfield Oct 29 @ 8:42 PM EDT

A4: Grades have motivated some conversations b/w me and my child’s teachers. Wish they had been about how the child was learning! #ElonEd

MichaelAVaughn Oct 29 @ 8:42 PM EDT

A4: I can see where they’d be helpful for measuring how effectively you can recall objective facts https://t.co/KCmk3kUMOv #ElonEd

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:42 PM EDT

A4: They are also a quick way to communicate to everyone who cares about a student's level of mastery. #ElonEd

In reply to @cbrocatoedu

scomorrison - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:42 PM EDT

I have read narrative evaluations about my own children. So much better than a report card. #ElonEd

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:30 PM EDT

A3: I think it would be more beneficial for parents if teachers included a narrative abt their Ss performance along with the grade...#ElonEd

isaacjwells Oct 29 @ 8:42 PM EDT

Especially regarding skills such as evaluation, analysis, problem-solving, etc.! To complex to communicate those with a letter. #ElonEd

In reply to @plugusin

angrabe Oct 29 @ 8:42 PM EDT

#ElonEd A3 p1 I see that most of the parents understand grades as the measurement of their child successful future. As predictors. While ...

kirk_humphreys Oct 29 @ 8:43 PM EDT

A4: The focus should always be on the learning, not the grade. #ElonEd

nathan_stevens Oct 29 @ 8:43 PM EDT

A4 how do you spin something that has been labeled as a negative for so long? #eloned

In reply to @MrDpasion

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:43 PM EDT

Oh -- I like this Courtney. Grades CAN start a dialogue. Now we need to use them intentionally in that way. #ElonEd

In reply to @courtney_beavan

angrabe Oct 29 @ 8:44 PM EDT

#eloned A3 p2 while loosing the concept of education being a process... Like the grades being the finish line instead of a check point.

isaacjwells Oct 29 @ 8:44 PM EDT

A4 As @cbrocatoedu mentioned, graded work can be one piece of self-reflection & planning for Ts. Also alerts guardians to struggles. #ElonEd

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:44 PM EDT

What's nuts, Ted is we HAVE to find some hope. Grades aren't going away anytime soon. #ElonEd

In reply to @teddylynn24

mark_enfield Oct 29 @ 8:45 PM EDT

keep thinking about my wife’s experience at New College w/no grades. She had the best undergrad experience of anyone I know. #ElonEd

scomorrison - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:42 PM EDT
I have read narrative evaluations about my own children. So much better than a report card. #ElonEd
- cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:30 PM EDT
  
  A3: I think it would be more beneficial for parents if teachers included a narrative abt their Ss performance along with the grade...#ElonEd

scomorrison - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:45 PM EDT

Depends on how we define involved, right? #ElonEd

In reply to @rb27215, @cbrocatoedu

profpatch Oct 29 @ 8:45 PM EDT

Yes, but how many times do you hear colleagues describe their work outside of class as grading—and nothing else? #ElonEd

In reply to @scomorrison

jeffpcarpenter - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:45 PM EDT

In some cases probably true but perhaps they also demotivate /demoralize as often? #eloned

In reply to @Miki_Salamon

Mainergonesouth Oct 29 @ 8:45 PM EDT

A4. Grades can show who mastered content or not, but you could just use the data 4 formative assessment. Needed 4 college entrance #eloned

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:45 PM EDT

With 15 minutes left, I want to end on a really good question.....it's coming....#ElonEd

isaacjwells Oct 29 @ 8:45 PM EDT

This is an area in which we could all use a lot of support! If we can't change the what, we can improve the how! #ElonEd

In reply to @mrogers401

edusteminist Oct 29 @ 8:46 PM EDT

#Eloned

In reply to @cbrocatoedu

isaacjwells Oct 29 @ 8:46 PM EDT

Definitely. Relationships have a higher effect on future learning than prior performance. We have to know our students first! #ElonEd

In reply to @scomorrison, @MichaelAVaughn

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:47 PM EDT

Q5: Is there a difference between schooling and learning? Between students and learners? Describe those differences. #ElonEd

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:47 PM EDT

This is an awesome reflection, Paula. That phrasing -- which is the norm for most, I'd bet -- hints at our own biases re: grading. #ElonEd

In reply to @profpatch, @scomorrison

MsConesTweets Oct 29 @ 8:47 PM EDT

A5: I think the biggest difference is engagement #eloned

scomorrison - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:48 PM EDT

This is my vote for best tweet of the chat. #ElonEd

In reply to @jeffpcarpenter, @brogers_20

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:48 PM EDT

I'm not kidding, #eloned nation: I'm starting to think that change in this area depends on educating parents. Let's turn them into allies.

kirk_humphreys Oct 29 @ 8:48 PM EDT

A5: Schooling sounds like an institution. Learning is something that should happen everywhere, including schools. #ElonEd

AllieK_HCPS Oct 29 @ 8:48 PM EDT

A5 Ss probably dont recognize the differences but we do...bc we see education as a valuable experience & journey rather than a chore #ElonEd

In reply to @cbrocatoedu

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:48 PM EDT

A5: schooling enables compliance, learning enables questioning and change. #ElonEd

brogers_20 Oct 29 @ 8:48 PM EDT

A5: For me, schooling was the act of attending school. Learning was what I remember the most. #ElonEd

MrDpasion Oct 29 @ 8:49 PM EDT

how do we know Ss are engaged rather than compliant? #eloned

In reply to @MsConesTweets

scomorrison - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:49 PM EDT

Now THIS is my vote for best tweet of the chat! #ElonEd

In reply to @MichaelAVaughn

GridleyDaniel Oct 29 @ 8:49 PM EDT

A5 Schooling is done to the S. Learning is done by the S. #eloned

kirk_humphreys Oct 29 @ 8:49 PM EDT

A5: Learning is when Ss are active participants in their learning and not just listening to teachers talk and then doing busy work. #ElonEd

mark_enfield Oct 29 @ 8:49 PM EDT

Here! Here! #ElonEd

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:48 PM EDT

I'm not kidding, #eloned nation: I'm starting to think that change in this area depends on educating parents. Let's turn them into allies.

KatieAGPhelps Oct 29 @ 8:49 PM EDT

A5-Schooling not learning:Schls weren't concerned abt curiosity,they were concerned abt compliance-Coates, Between the World and Me #eloned

erinhone712 Oct 29 @ 8:49 PM EDT

A5: Learning requires a much more intentional route than schooling. Such intention turns students into learners. #ElonEd

MichaelAVaughn Oct 29 @ 8:49 PM EDT

A5: Oh yes. Especially in current system. Some students are very good at SCHOOL. Others are good at LEARNING. Difference exists. #ElonEd

iincorvati Oct 29 @ 8:49 PM EDT

A4: Many of my Ss have been told that they aren’t “smart” their whole lives. Breaking down 10 yrs of that isn’t easy but WORTH IT #ElonEd

eceelon Oct 29 @ 8:49 PM EDT

A5: Wouldn't it be nice if there wasn't a difference?! In reality - no. #eloned

mikeaustinwest Oct 29 @ 8:49 PM EDT

A5. Absolutely. As @cbrocatoedu said: schooling often rewards compliance. Learning requires risk, failure, & challenging authority #eloned

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:50 PM EDT

very happy with my question selection...we had so many options for this last one! #ElonEd

profpatch Oct 29 @ 8:50 PM EDT

I don’t know. Ss learn to play the schooling game pretty quickly. They do more schooling than learning #ElonEd

In reply to @GridleyDaniel

robinbfrench - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:50 PM EDT

Well said! #ElonEd

mikeaustinwest Oct 29 @ 8:49 PM EDT

A5. Absolutely. As @cbrocatoedu said: schooling often rewards compliance. Learning requires risk, failure, & challenging authority #eloned

Mainergonesouth Oct 29 @ 8:50 PM EDT

A5. Learning is lifelong & can happen anywhere, anytime. Schooling has set hours, days, yrs. Must build relationships with learners #ElonEd

GridleyDaniel Oct 29 @ 8:50 PM EDT

A5 Schooling has an endpoint. Learning is a journey that has many many paths. Some still unknown by the traveler. #eloned

nathan_stevens Oct 29 @ 8:50 PM EDT

#eloned

In reply to @mikeaustinwest, @cbrocatoedu

tayargue Oct 29 @ 8:50 PM EDT

A5: one experience for me shifting from student to learner was in a grad class where we chose our own learning course to earn points #ElonEd

scomorrison - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:51 PM EDT

Should we talk about why the quantitative measure is a 100-point scale? Is our system of grading and averaging mathematically sound? #ElonEd

nhunnicutt12 Oct 29 @ 8:40 PM EDT

A4: Grades allow for a quantitative reflection on how a S is progressing. #ElonEd

dunleavydani Oct 29 @ 8:51 PM EDT

A5: Schooling is to hearing as learning is to listening. #ElonEd

mfharsh Oct 29 @ 8:51 PM EDT

A5: I think schooling is the social interactions in a school and learning is what happens in a classroom full of learners #ElonEd

erinhone712 Oct 29 @ 8:51 PM EDT

This is such a great point! #ElonEd

GridleyDaniel Oct 29 @ 8:50 PM EDT

A5 Schooling has an endpoint. Learning is a journey that has many many paths. Some still unknown by the traveler. #eloned

msabigailpeel Oct 29 @ 8:52 PM EDT

A5: In a perfect world, learning and schooling is the same thing. Schools should teach Ss how to learn & think for themselves. #eloned

iincorvati Oct 29 @ 8:52 PM EDT

A4: I had a P email me concerned about their S’s confidence. Same S CRUSHED the unit test same day. When my co-T told me I teared up #ElonEd

scomorrison - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:52 PM EDT

Do all the answers to Q4 mean we should not advocate for (and practice) grading reform? #ElonEd

profpatch Oct 29 @ 8:52 PM EDT

Yes: Agency, choice, empowerment, student-centered or student-initiated pacing. #ElonEd

In reply to @tayargue

robinbfrench - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:52 PM EDT

A5: Eric Jensen said if you don’t fail often enough your goals are too low. This applies to risk taking and the learning experience. #ElonEd

tayargue Oct 29 @ 8:52 PM EDT

This doesn’t directly answer question, but it was such a powerful experience in my learning. Initially freaked b/c it was so foreign #ElonEd

dunleavydani Oct 29 @ 8:52 PM EDT

A5: Schooling ends at graduation. Learning is a skill that continues forever #ElonEd

scomorrison - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:52 PM EDT

THANK YOU. #ElonEd

MrDpasion Oct 29 @ 8:41 PM EDT

A4. I appreciate trying 2 find positive in grades, but 4 each answer so far, there' are Ss that it does the opposite for. #eloned

anniecrab Oct 29 @ 8:52 PM EDT

Love Elon's experiential transcript. Learning by doing. #ElonEd

erinhone712 Oct 29 @ 8:52 PM EDT

Love this analogy! #ElonEd

In reply to @dunleavydani

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:52 PM EDT

This is a interesting thought to me, Allie. How wild is it that teachers haven't created learning spaces that kids see as valuable. #ElonEd

In reply to @AllieK_HCPS, @cbrocatoedu

_mcisneros19 Oct 29 @ 8:53 PM EDT

A4 I think grades exist to make it easier for Ts & school's to track Ss yet grades are preventing real learning from happening #ElonEd

brogers_20 Oct 29 @ 8:53 PM EDT

A5: Inspiration from @nhunnicutt12: School is a noun and learn is a verb. (Yes, I got an A in English and I did not pay for it) #ElonEd

msabigailpeel Oct 29 @ 8:53 PM EDT

A5: P2 Unfortunately, schooling teaches obedience, not learning. #ElonEd

biglsclassroom Oct 29 @ 8:53 PM EDT

A5: Motivation is key. Why even go to class? Attendance policy or because you want to grow your brain? #ElonEd

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:53 PM EDT

I really wonder, Kirk, whether or not kids even see what they do in schools each day as "learning." #ElonEd

In reply to @kirk_humphreys

iincorvati Oct 29 @ 8:53 PM EDT

The irony of this tweet is gold #ElonEd

In reply to @jeffpcarpenter, @cbrocatoedu, @plugusin

edusteminist Oct 29 @ 8:54 PM EDT

A5: Learners make meaning of the world around them and discover the passion to do so on their own. Ss show up. #ElonEd

eeb1996 Oct 29 @ 8:54 PM EDT

A5: Learning can happen anywhere, at anytime, even when traditional schooling has come to an end #eloned

JFinneyfrock - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:54 PM EDT

Agreed! I try to remind my colleagues of this #Eloned

profpatch Oct 29 @ 8:36 PM EDT

I wasn’t truly intrinsically motivated until mid-way through undergrad...#ElonEd
In reply to @JFinneyfrock

MichaelAVaughn Oct 29 @ 8:54 PM EDT

I have an idea that’s a little off-topic, but wanted to share this thought before we end (thread incoming) #ElonEd

erinhone712 Oct 29 @ 8:54 PM EDT

My heart is so happy reading the tweets of our @Elon_Ed alums and current students! Great chat tonight!! #ElonEd

angrabe Oct 29 @ 8:54 PM EDT

#ElonEd A5 p1 I see schooling mire similar to "normalized" instruction and learning more like a lifelong process....

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:55 PM EDT

I love this, Abigail -- and while I may not be able to create the perfect world, I can do my best to create perfect lessons. #ElonEd

In reply to @msabigailpeel

MrDpasion Oct 29 @ 8:55 PM EDT

not sold on the effective communication tool. You should have a dialogue w/. parents before progress reports/report cards. #eloned

In reply to @scomorrison

tayargue Oct 29 @ 8:55 PM EDT

I think it means we need to take a long hard look at current practices and go from there #ElonEd

In reply to @scomorrison

isaacjwells Oct 29 @ 8:55 PM EDT

A5 Learners & learning always have clear purpose & application. Schooling & Ss may or may not be clear & consistent on either. #ElonEd

MsConesTweets Oct 29 @ 8:55 PM EDT

good question! #eloned

In reply to @MrDpasion

MichaelAVaughn Oct 29 @ 8:55 PM EDT

1/ [thread] A fundamental problem with our current grading structure is what it implies: Loss. It ignores the goals of learning. #ElonEd

dunleavydani Oct 29 @ 8:56 PM EDT

A5: Students do what they can to succeed on a report card, learners do what they can to succeed in life #ElonEd

angrabe Oct 29 @ 8:56 PM EDT

#eloned A5 p2 although normalized instruction is sometimes needed, a lifelong learner would adapt to real world better. I think.

JFinneyfrock - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:56 PM EDT

This #eloned

GridleyDaniel Oct 29 @ 8:50 PM EDT

A5 Schooling has an endpoint. Learning is a journey that has many many paths. Some still unknown by the traveler. #eloned

scomorrison - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:56 PM EDT

Parents are part of the #OptOut #NoTesting movement, indeed. #ElonEd

In reply to @plugusin

mfharsh Oct 29 @ 8:57 PM EDT

Great conversation tonight with the #ElonEd chat got some great insight for my critical issues project #edu401

cbrocatoedu - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:57 PM EDT

this is PROFOUND. #ElonEd @plugusin , thoughts???

In reply to @MichaelAVaughn, @plugusin

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:58 PM EDT

Think about how other terms reinforce bad learning experiences. "Teacher" and "Instruction" both imply power and compliance, too. #eloned

brogers_20 Oct 29 @ 8:58 PM EDT

I think we need to increase @MichaelAVaughn's character limit! #ElonEd

In reply to @cbrocatoedu, @MichaelAVaughn, @plugusin, @MichaelAVaughn

mark_enfield Oct 29 @ 8:59 PM EDT

So important! There needs to be resistance and parents can do it. #ElonEd

scomorrison - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:56 PM EDT

Parents are part of the #OptOut #NoTesting movement, indeed. #ElonEd
In reply to @plugusin

jeffpcarpenter - Moderator Oct 29 @ 8:59 PM EDT

Thread #eloned

MichaelAVaughn Oct 29 @ 8:55 PM EDT

1/ [thread] A fundamental problem with our current grading structure is what it implies: Loss. It ignores the goals of learning. #ElonEd

angrabe Oct 29 @ 8:59 PM EDT

I think that when they comply they'll stop. Engagement produce a continuum of action towards improvements #ElonEd

In reply to @MrDpasion, @MsConesTweets

MrDpasion Oct 29 @ 8:59 PM EDT

I have done this. Loved it! If grades are motivators any way, why not use game elements and do it right. #gamification #leveluped #eloned

In reply to @MichaelAVaughn

tayargue Oct 29 @ 8:59 PM EDT

A5: schooling is one size fits all instruction; learning is meeting students where they are & motivating them to seek their success #ElonEd

plugusin Oct 29 @ 8:59 PM EDT

Agree the whole way through -- but here's where people will push back: We still use grades to rank and sort. That sucks. #ElonEd

In reply to @cbrocatoedu, @MichaelAVaughn