#badgechat Archive

#BadgeChat was founded in December, 2014 by a group of educators who are passionate about credentialing learning and achieving. While there are thousands of us around the globe issuing badges to learners, there was not yet a regular twitter chat for those of us in the K-12 space to gather for learning and sharing about badging. After reaching out to leaders in the field (like the good folks at Mozilla and The Badge Alliance) for their thoughts, #BadgeChat was born.

Monday August 27, 2018
6:30 PM EDT

  • SenorG - Moderator Aug 27 @ 6:31 PM EDT
    Hello! Welcome to #BadgeChat! Please take a moment to introduce yourself, your role and your interest in Digital Badge Credentials!
  • SenorG - Moderator Aug 27 @ 6:32 PM EDT
    I'm Noah in Denver. I'm a passionate advocate of telling great stories and see micro-credentials as one way of communicating a deep, rich narrative of who we are as learners and achievers #badgechat
  • donpresant Aug 27 @ 6:34 PM EDT
    Don from Canada, hosts of @CanCredCA, "Canada's Open Badges solution" Passionate about open badges as vehicles for open recognition. #BadgeChat
  • ShabbyGeek101 Aug 27 @ 6:34 PM EDT
    Hi! I'm Dodie in San Antonio. I see micro-credentials as a way to change the conversation of PD from time in seat to outcome in classroom #badgechat
  • SenorG - Moderator Aug 27 @ 6:35 PM EDT
    Hola Don! Great to have you! Could be an intimate start but I'm sure your genius will attract other thinkers, as usual:) #badgechat
    In reply to @donpresant, @CanCredCA
  • SenorG - Moderator Aug 27 @ 6:35 PM EDT
    Welcome Dodie! Excited to hear about what magic SWISD gets cooking up this year! #badgechat
    In reply to @ShabbyGeek101
  • SenorG - Moderator Aug 27 @ 6:35 PM EDT
    First question coming up! #badgechat
  • SenorG - Moderator Aug 27 @ 6:36 PM EDT
    Q1: We hear about the importance of buy-in. WHY does it matter so much #BadgeChat
  • donpresant Aug 27 @ 6:36 PM EDT
    Heh, we are a small group today, with BIG IDEAS #BadgeChat
    In reply to @SenorG, @CanCredCA
  • LesVoigt Aug 27 @ 6:38 PM EDT
    Lesley Voigt - Madison, WI from the Digital Credentials Institute. Passionate about moving digital credentials/badges forward! Sorry for my late arrival. #badgechat
  • ShabbyGeek101 Aug 27 @ 6:38 PM EDT
    A1. Change cannot occur without buy-in. It helps create the "value" of badging #BadgeChat
  • SenorG - Moderator Aug 27 @ 6:38 PM EDT
    A1: I get plenty of excited about my own great ideas. But if I'm the only one at the party, it looks more like one loon than a party. #badgechat
  • SenorG - Moderator Aug 27 @ 6:39 PM EDT
    OOOO, I like this Dodie. Haven't really thought about stakeholder buy-in as an actual piece of the value proposition puzzle. Mind expanding on your thinking with this one? #badgechat
    In reply to @ShabbyGeek101
  • SenorG - Moderator Aug 27 @ 6:39 PM EDT
    Thanks for being here Lesley! Please do share any DCI updates with folks who are chatting/lurking #badgechat
    In reply to @LesVoigt
  • LesVoigt Aug 27 @ 6:40 PM EDT
    A1: A digital badge is a currency - if no one uses/wants your currency it's not worth anything. We need to "grow" the value. #badgechat
  • SenorG - Moderator Aug 27 @ 6:40 PM EDT
    Feel free to continue convo on first question...second one coming up as well #badgechat
  • donpresant Aug 27 @ 6:41 PM EDT
    A1 Without buy-in from badge consumers, badges have little meaning other than pats on the head. This leads to lack of buy-in from badge earners. Heck, you even need buy-in from badge issuers - badges should be part of a meaningful learning/development experience #BadgeChat
  • SenorG - Moderator Aug 27 @ 6:41 PM EDT
    Q2: What factors might make it a struggle to get stakeholders to buy-in to new efforts like Digital Badge Credentials? #BadgeChat
  • LesVoigt Aug 27 @ 6:42 PM EDT
    A2: Limited knowledge on the subject, overcoming the "everyone gets a star" mentality, potential cost and sustainability #badgechat
  • SenorG - Moderator Aug 27 @ 6:43 PM EDT
    Love all of these points around VALUE. Also, appreciate Don reminding us that there are various stakeholder constituencies...earners, issuers, consumers (the audience for a given badge like an employer) and others #badgechat
    • donpresant Aug 27 @ 6:41 PM EDT
      A1 Without buy-in from badge consumers, badges have little meaning other than pats on the head. This leads to lack of buy-in from badge earners. Heck, you even need buy-in from badge issuers - badges should be part of a meaningful learning/development experience #BadgeChat
  • ShabbyGeek101 Aug 27 @ 6:43 PM EDT
    assign value to a badge, but who determines if that value is worthy? Asked T's to get GCE, that didn't change anything. They pile up the badges in @RemindHQ & @SeeSaw b/c they see value in those. Once they earned those, GCE became valuable, changing the culture. #BadgeChat
    In reply to @SenorG, @RemindHQ, @Seesaw
  • Benjaroome Aug 27 @ 6:43 PM EDT
    A2: Sounds crazy, but honestly I've found that folks' unwillingness to create a new software login can be one of the biggest barriers to getting a new badge platform up and running. Ts are sometimes overwhelmed by new tech. #BadgeChat
  • LesVoigt Aug 27 @ 6:43 PM EDT
    "part of a meaningful learning/development experience" - YES!!! #badgechat
    In reply to @donpresant
  • SenorG - Moderator Aug 27 @ 6:44 PM EDT
    I hadn't even thought about the risk factors surrounding misinformation. Designers beware: Having a Communication Plan is essential and it should be revisited often! #badgechat
    • LesVoigt Aug 27 @ 6:42 PM EDT
      A2: Limited knowledge on the subject, overcoming the "everyone gets a star" mentality, potential cost and sustainability #badgechat
  • Benjaroome Aug 27 @ 6:45 PM EDT
    Love this topic! A1: Buy-in is super important because otherwise your project will just not reach the critical mass needed for everyone to see the value of #digitalcredentials. Thanks for raising these questions! #BadgeChat
  • RandallSampson Aug 27 @ 6:46 PM EDT
    A2: This makes my skin crawl #BadgeChat
  • SenorG - Moderator Aug 27 @ 6:46 PM EDT
    Ben brings up such an important factor: TIME. Our users are busy people and sometimes the biggest barriers to buy-in have less to do with merit of the initiative and more to do with simple bandwidth to take on anything new #badgechat
    • Benjaroome Aug 27 @ 6:43 PM EDT
      A2: Sounds crazy, but honestly I've found that folks' unwillingness to create a new software login can be one of the biggest barriers to getting a new badge platform up and running. Ts are sometimes overwhelmed by new tech. #BadgeChat
  • ShabbyGeek101 Aug 27 @ 6:46 PM EDT
    Our district has FINALLY starting using @clever to help with logins!!! Yay! #BadgeChat
    In reply to @Benjaroome, @clever
  • donpresant Aug 27 @ 6:46 PM EDT
    A2. Noise and innovation fatigue, for one thing. For another, maybe strategy - lack of focused goals that people can get behind. (What are the badges for?) Lack of engaged leaders/champions, maybe too much bottom up. Need good marketing, in the broadest sense. #BadgeChat
  • SenorG - Moderator Aug 27 @ 6:46 PM EDT
    Third question coming up... #badgechat
  • ShabbyGeek101 Aug 27 @ 6:47 PM EDT
    Yes - the everyone gets a star is hard to overcome in PD where Ts are used to getting credit for sitting in a seat for hours #BadgeChat
    In reply to @LesVoigt
  • SenorG - Moderator Aug 27 @ 6:47 PM EDT
    Q3: How does buy-in differ between opt-in initiatives and mandated initiatives? #badgechat
  • Benjaroome Aug 27 @ 6:48 PM EDT
    Very well said Noah. If we can't demonstrate that badges actually save time in the long run, things will not go well. In order to be successful, badges really need to create value for folks in the first 10 minutes of signing up. #badgechat
    In reply to @SenorG
  • SenorG - Moderator Aug 27 @ 6:48 PM EDT
    >>Innovation Fatigue<< @donpresant makes a great observation here. Sometimes, we have to overcome prior disappointments and frustrations that have nothing to do with our efforts but with which we are nonetheless saddled #badgechat
    • donpresant Aug 27 @ 6:46 PM EDT
      A2. Noise and innovation fatigue, for one thing. For another, maybe strategy - lack of focused goals that people can get behind. (What are the badges for?) Lack of engaged leaders/champions, maybe too much bottom up. Need good marketing, in the broadest sense. #BadgeChat
  • Benjaroome Aug 27 @ 6:49 PM EDT
    Yeah. If your organization doesn't have a #badgechampion, the chances of early success go way down. #badgechat
    In reply to @donpresant
  • SenorG - Moderator Aug 27 @ 6:49 PM EDT
    True. If they ask, "Why should I care?" we are doomed if answer is "give it 2.5 months and 32 hours of time you don't have and you'll see how game changing it is!" #badgechat
    • Benjaroome Aug 27 @ 6:48 PM EDT
      Very well said Noah. If we can't demonstrate that badges actually save time in the long run, things will not go well. In order to be successful, badges really need to create value for folks in the first 10 minutes of signing up. #badgechat
      In reply to @SenorG
  • Benjaroome Aug 27 @ 6:51 PM EDT
    A3: Opt-in initiatives need to be appealing because they are fun and engaging. #badges4bears is a great example of this. Mandated initiatives work better if the path to success is very clear and if there are other incentives involved. #badgechat
  • ShabbyGeek101 Aug 27 @ 6:51 PM EDT
    A2. Something new takes effort to understand and implement - it's work; fear of failure; different that what the "govt" uses #BadgeChat
  • donpresant Aug 27 @ 6:52 PM EDT
    A3. For me, buy-in implies active engagement based on a 2-way dialogue, a negotiation even. Vs "do this because you have to". Although I will say that K12 badges would be more popular in Canada if teachers had to demonstrate PD.. so both can be good. #badgechat
  • SenorG - Moderator Aug 27 @ 6:52 PM EDT
    A3: Mandates can lead to buy-in but a lot of it looks like dotted 'i's and crossed 't's. And it happens at large scale. Opt-in buy-in likely moves more slowly, relies on organic growth. Less buy-in overall but passionate buy-in from the "champions" (h/t @benjaroome) #badgechat
  • SenorG - Moderator Aug 27 @ 6:53 PM EDT
    Glad you point this out, Don! Both can be good, just in their own ways. For me, the important thing is for decision makers to be intentional about which path to buy-in they want to take #badgechat
    In reply to @donpresant
  • SenorG - Moderator Aug 27 @ 6:54 PM EDT
    last question coming up... #badgechat
  • SenorG - Moderator Aug 27 @ 6:54 PM EDT
    Q4: Buy-in and compliance are very different. Are there strategies to engage stakeholders that are more likely to invite authentic buy-in? #badgechat
  • ShabbyGeek101 Aug 27 @ 6:54 PM EDT
    A3. Mandated initiatives get, at best, compliance buy-in - minimum effort - but it's easier to get. Opt-in will get more authentic buy-in, but is harder to accomplish - it takes more time. #BadgeChat
  • capt_info Aug 27 @ 6:55 PM EDT
    A2: Human Resources folks with whom I’ve chatted say their applicant tracking software doesn’t easily “ingest” open badges. In other words, it’s a challenge to get HR systems to recognize the value of open badges. #badgechat
  • SenorG - Moderator Aug 27 @ 6:55 PM EDT
    (via @kyle_clements1) A4 I would definitely recommend including relevant stakeholders in the design process. As in giving them a voice to define criteria and even getting their approval for the badge images. #badgechat
  • ShabbyGeek101 Aug 27 @ 6:57 PM EDT
    That's what I want for my district, "demonstrate PD" #badgechat
    • donpresant Aug 27 @ 6:52 PM EDT
      A3. For me, buy-in implies active engagement based on a 2-way dialogue, a negotiation even. Vs "do this because you have to". Although I will say that K12 badges would be more popular in Canada if teachers had to demonstrate PD.. so both can be good. #badgechat
  • SenorG - Moderator Aug 27 @ 6:58 PM EDT
    Great point. HR says we'll start caring when we many Digital Badge Credentials from applicants. Job seekers say they'll care when HR starts asking. Chicken vs. Egg Best we can do right now is advance both of them. I anticipate this particular issue being short term #badgechat
    In reply to @capt_info
  • Benjaroome Aug 27 @ 6:58 PM EDT
    A4: Authentic buy-in benefits massively from #sociallearning in my experience. When learners are able to celebrate and share their learning achievements in ways that are inherently engaging, buy-in emerges naturally. #badgechat
  • donpresant Aug 27 @ 6:59 PM EDT
    A4. Show your target audience that you respect them and their needs. Demonstrate that. Incorporate their feedback. Maybe even find a way to recognize them meaningfully, usefully with badges. #BadgeChat
  • SenorG - Moderator Aug 27 @ 6:59 PM EDT
    A4: In systems with user-centered design approaches, engaging users and seeking feedback often, then demonstrating iterative processes that operationalize user input can be powerful strategy. People like to buy-in to things that value THEM #badgechat
  • ShabbyGeek101 Aug 27 @ 6:59 PM EDT
    A4. Purposeful goal setting and tracking. Let the implementers set goals, then support them through implementation and tracking. One & Done will not get buy-in, a lot of time you have to stick to it to prove this isn't "just another wild idea" #BadgeChat
  • SenorG - Moderator Aug 27 @ 7:00 PM EDT
    Going to add this into my notes around Communication Plans:) #badgechat
    • Benjaroome Aug 27 @ 6:58 PM EDT
      A4: Authentic buy-in benefits massively from #sociallearning in my experience. When learners are able to celebrate and share their learning achievements in ways that are inherently engaging, buy-in emerges naturally. #badgechat
  • ShabbyGeek101 Aug 27 @ 7:00 PM EDT
    Very true! A lot of the professional LMS systems to do not support micro-credentialing - and getting HR to change software....that's not fun! #BadgeChat
    In reply to @capt_info
  • SenorG - Moderator Aug 27 @ 7:00 PM EDT
    It's official. We're the same person. #badgechat
    In reply to @donpresant
  • donpresant Aug 27 @ 7:00 PM EDT
    and what Kyle said! #badgechat
    • Kyle_Clements1 Aug 27 @ 6:07 PM EDT
      Unfortunately, I can't join tonight, but for A4 I would definitely recommend including relevant stakeholders in the design process. As in giving them a voice to define criteria and even getting their approval for the badge images. #badgechat
      In reply to @SenorG, @randysquier, @RandallSampson, @SussexChad, @JenWilliamsEdu, @markjotter, @ottonomy, @umpstead, @iluveducating, @amycooper100, @digitalcred
  • SenorG - Moderator Aug 27 @ 7:01 PM EDT
    Great chat everyone!!! This was a fun and awesome conversation! Thanks to all for joining and have a Badge worthy week! #badgechat
  • LesVoigt Aug 27 @ 7:10 PM EDT
    Can I double-like this! Well said #Badgechat
    In reply to @Benjaroome