#PSCchat Archive
"The purpose of #PSCchat (Principal-School Counselor chat) is to focus on the Principal-School Counselor relationship and the importance that relationship has on meeting the needs of all students. There are so many ways that principals can effectively utilize school counselors in their buildings. #PSCchat gives us the opportunity to learn those ways through collaboration. #PSCchat is not limited to only principals and school counselors, we welcome the participation of all educators and value all insight. #PSCchat meets every 1st and 3rd Monday of the month at 8:30pm EST." --Nicole DiSilvestro (co-moderator)
Monday April 18, 2016
Welcome to - Tonight’s topic is Student Conduct & +/- Consequences. Thank you for joining us!
Please introduce yourself, your position, & where you’re tweeting from tonight.
Tonight’s topic is Student Conduct & +/- Consequences. Q1 in 3 mins.
Matt, elem lead learner joining in from my couch in northern IL
Marc, here. Technology Integration Specialist. Tweeting from Cobb County GA
. welcome, Matt, & thanks for joining us for another tonight. Looking forward to your insights.
Peter Sklar, New York, finally made it back to this wonderful and important forum.
Laura - MS counselor from GA!
Respond to tonight’s Qs on Student Conduct & +/- Consequences in general terms, or specific to Principals & SCs. Q1 in 2 mins.
. thanks for joining tonight, Marc. Great to have you with us.
Welcome to again tonight, Marc. Happy to have you with us! https://t.co/YIIfinREu8
Marc, here. Technology Integration Specialist. Tweeting from Cobb County GA
Mackenze, middle school SPED teacher from Woodbridge, NJ. Hi all!
. welcome back, Peter. Great to have you in the house tonight!
Welcome to Peter. So glad you could be with us tonight. https://t.co/hBoRRPh0UP
Peter Sklar, New York, finally made it back to this wonderful and important forum.
Desiree, HS Counselor in Montana
Hi Laura!! Hope you're doing well over there in GA! Thanks for joining us for TONIGHT! https://t.co/AuJSKN2Z4z
Laura - MS counselor from GA!
Q1: Regarding your own philosophy of teaching & learning, which approach to improving student conduct do you prefer? Why?
Welcome to Mackenze! Thanks for joining in tonight!! https://t.co/zU2p1PG06r
Mackenze, middle school SPED teacher from Woodbridge, NJ. Hi all!
Thanks for joining tonight Mackenzie. Great to have you back with us. https://t.co/0vzC0uA1LD
Mackenze, middle school SPED teacher from Woodbridge, NJ. Hi all!
Sarahi, teacher from central Jersey
. great to see you back for another Desiree. Looking forward to your thoughts tonight.
A1 The biggest challenge is to treat the behavior- not the child. What they do may be bad- they need to know THEY are not.
Hi! April from MD. Currently TL. Hold A&S cert.
. thanks for joining us for tonight, Sarahi. Great to have you with us.
Jim, MS counselor from a rain-soaked Texas. Glad to be here following a run.
. excellent point, Peter. Important to ALWAYS remember this.
Things are good in GA after seeing what UGA Bulldawgs have in store at the spring game!
Welcome to your first April! So glad to have you with us! https://t.co/DA4EOPic8O
Hi! April from MD. Currently TL. Hold A&S cert.
Hi April. Thanks for spending some time with tonight. Looking forward to learning with you tonight. https://t.co/kVVDB0qYuq
Hi! April from MD. Currently TL. Hold A&S cert.
A1 - Spend time building a relationship. Focus on the person and not the drama.
Middle School Physical Education teacher from Fords Middle School
Thanks for joining tonight, Jim. Settle in and get ready for some learning! https://t.co/32UcV1CNVj
Jim, MS counselor from a rain-soaked Texas. Glad to be here following a run.
Phil, from VA. Current AP in Williamsburg... July 1 principal in Rockbridge VA!
Thanks for joining us tonight, Lauren. https://t.co/MUqNrl6TFq
Middle School Physical Education teacher from Fords Middle School
A1: connecting with students and building a relationship.
I prefer positive discipline strategies, try to make positive changes in the child's environment.
Thanks for joining tonight, Jim. Looking. Forward to learning with you tonight. https://t.co/1QmBI9uBwh
A1 - Spend time building a relationship. Focus on the person and not the drama.
Congrats on the new gig, Phil! And, thanks for joining tonight. Great to get your perspective on this topic https://t.co/WgR2NJL38w
Phil, from VA. Current AP in Williamsburg... July 1 principal in Rockbridge VA!
I believe in difficult balance: strict consequences for unacceptable behavior that do not include devaluing the child as a person.
A1: Praise and recognize positive student behaviors in hopes to model good behavior for entire school community
. agree. always important to keep it positive and make it a learning experience for the student.
Welcome to , Lauren! Glad to see your taking a break from Carnival preparations to join us! https://t.co/XesQrqeXjw
Middle School Physical Education teacher from Fords Middle School
A1-I always try to think of skills s will need in the future and focus on teachable moments
. yes. I like this positive approach. A good model for others to follow.
Welcome to , Phil. So excited to have my favorite NE Patriot fan with us, tonight. Congrats on the new gig! https://t.co/a7PbQmF3Fr
Phil, from VA. Current AP in Williamsburg... July 1 principal in Rockbridge VA!
A1, I like to reward the + and bring attention to + actions. If necessary I like a consequence to fit the offense.
. very important to do this & to ease up on the "always" authoritarian approach.
Agree! positive teacher-student relationship is key to solve issues in the classroom.
. Agree, Matt. We have to teach them right from wrong, acceptable vs. unacceptable.
A1-Important to establish rapport & build relationships with students. Hard to truly address behav w/out the first two in place
. I like this approach, too, April. Neg consequences when warranted, but emphasize the +.
absolutely. Kids don't learn from people they don't like.
Agree, ! PBSIS is a great program to help Recognize and reward these positive behaviors! https://t.co/qPOCD5InDP
A1: Praise and recognize positive student behaviors in hopes to model good behavior for entire school community
You can just see the E shift in a room when you start commenting on the +. :)
Agree! Zero tolerance policies don't improve student's behavior. https://t.co/rWLFcGCVlV
. very important to do this & to ease up on the "always" authoritarian approach.
. you're right on the money with this one, Michael!
Agree, Desiree. Relationship building is the key in helping to address & build on negative behaviors, IMO. https://t.co/lruB3MITpP
A1-Important to establish rapport & build relationships with students. Hard to truly address behav w/out the first two in place
Q2: Describe the roles of the principal & school counselor in your preferred approach to improving student conduct?
the chats are always help me evolve in my practice
. critical to build that positive energy. We all could use more of it!
. more evidence continues to mount to suggest zero tolerance does more harm than good.
Haha just finished up wrapping a basket myself Hahaha https://t.co/uWfILwzVKN
don't you worry, I'm sitting here with note pads and all doing schedules!
I agree and it is even more difficult when previous instruction may blur the lines
Nick SC from Oklahoma! Sorry I'm late!
I focus on the future... why did that happen? What do we need to do to create/increase likelyhood a positive outcome the next time?
A1 There's a developmental aspect: need to address behavior on a student's level of morality & understanding. They have to get it.
. Excellent! One of the best uses of IMO. We all help each other become better.
Haha! No app for this. & I always spot new faces joining in our chat, https://t.co/r1XKqReKvA
Okay. How'd you know this is my first? Let me guess
A2 - We set the tone for what behaviors will be expected during the day. We need to be the straight stick for those watching.
A2: my district has pushed hard for use of social media and decamps to get PD above and beyond. Also we have constant Google PD
A2-it needs to be a collaborative venture to meet the full needs of our S
Yes! There are plenty of articles about this topic.
. I do similar, Phil. Always ask the Ss what is a better choice next time they encounter a similar situation.
A2; My Counselor is where rubber meets road! they're really looking for root causes of issues & to increase positive behavior.
Better late than never, Nick! Glad to have you with us tonight for https://t.co/DMo4dUhJjx
Nick SC from Oklahoma! Sorry I'm late!
. Great to see you, Nick! Thanks for joining another
A2 Teamwork: overall, both must agree on approach and parameters, and appropriate times for each other's engagement.
Oh geez, found an old topic. Gotta get caught up!
A2 P is the facilitator of change & SC supports Ts in carrying out said approach to implement change in Ss behavior. Be consistent!
Nicole & Sam have hidden talent...recognize the newbies! :)
. the proactive role is always more effective than the reactive one.
Effectiveness of explicit differences between Whites and Asians to have a long time.
. Important both are on the same page.
A2: I think my A and myself work well together. We are good cop good cop. We focus on trying to change the behavior w reinforcement
Simple and sweet! I like the way you worded that! https://t.co/1jwONsf6O8
A2 P is the facilitator of change & SC supports Ts in carrying out said approach to implement change in Ss behavior. Be consistent!
. thought you were lagging a bit with that A, Nick.
A2: we look at root causes and try to address through BIP, referrals, small group. Etc
A2: Team approach: P handles consequences/investigation. SC works w/ S on root issues, pro social behaviors b4& after consequences
Please elaborate, Mark. https://t.co/syxaeACjlS
Effectiveness of explicit differences between Whites and Asians to have a long time.
Yes! There's nothing without that team approach! Couldn't agree more, Laura! https://t.co/rCHYjR03Ks
A2: Team approach: P handles consequences/investigation. SC works w/ S on root issues, pro social behaviors b4& after consequences
Counselor and Principal working together highlighting positive things happening around the school on morning news, assemblies, etc.
A2 There's also the issue of mutual respect, and trust that each has unique tools (& responsibilities) to handle behavioral issues.
sometimes I feel like I help look into the prob from an SC perspective. Avoid giving consequences .
Agree! We all need to work as a team to find the best solutions.
. important point. Both need to be focused on their individual tasks.
completely agree that consistency is key! Modelling S behavior Is a must when carrying out positive change https://t.co/pRhhgDCP2B
A2 P is the facilitator of change & SC supports Ts in carrying out said approach to implement change in Ss behavior. Be consistent!
. please give some examples of when to avoid consequences, Nick.
Agree, Peter! Important to have that mutual respect & pull from each other stregnths when working with Ss. https://t.co/dZq4Bw2kKT
A2 There's also the issue of mutual respect, and trust that each has unique tools (& responsibilities) to handle behavioral issues.
Q3: How can you assist your colleagues in recognizing, understanding, & embracing your approach to improving student conduct?
Agreed! I have done that b4 too! Helps to have different perspectives. https://t.co/zSpLx2i8Kj
sometimes I feel like I help look into the prob from an SC perspective. Avoid giving consequences .
what I mean I try to avoid giving them. Want to leave that to the P as much as possible.
Same here, Nick. I think it's important to play devils advocate & inquire about deeper issues going on.
A3 -Working hard to get Restorative Justice off the ground in our school. Just have to be committed and moving forward daily.
A3-funny, this is a topic I will soon be discussing. I think literature on basis for beliefs are key
I find that an honest convo w S's can also avoid consequences that prevent the source of a prob from being discovered.
. do you every make suggestions for harsher or more lenient consequences?
A2-Agree! A team approach, each with own role. https://t.co/be9684ngBa
A2: Team approach: P handles consequences/investigation. SC works w/ S on root issues, pro social behaviors b4& after consequences
Working as a team & sharing the latest trends regarding positive discipline strategies. Group discussions/round table.
You're forgiven tonight. 😜 Hope all went well!
A3: I believe by having honesty conversations about mutual respect, empathy, and training as to why S's may struggle.
. agree with you here, Matt. Need the school climate to reflect expectations and +/- consequences.
A3 Relationships. Colleagues who know your approach is not ego-based, more inclined to listen & embrace your ideas.
A3 Ts must buy-in to strategy. Staff training: bring doubtful Ts 2 a school where a similar strategy is successfully taking place
yes it does! It is always good to approach things many ways! Excellent point!
. I like these suggestions. Ready to implement them?
