#ASEchat Archive
The Association for Science Education (ASE) promotes excellence in science teaching and learning. Follow #ASEchat Mondays at 3pm ET.
Monday July 4, 2016
3:00 PM EDT
doddlelearn
Jul 4 @ 3:00 PM EDT
Dolly the Sheep was 'born' 20 years ago. Use a free interactive in class tomorrow:
https://t.co/FRtemXXKMU
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https://t.co/FC437G2A6P
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 4 @ 3:05 PM EDT
#asechat
What's occurring?
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 4 @ 3:06 PM EDT
We can always pick something from this list. These were last weeks’ topics anyone?
#asechat
https://t.co/pSSSZIcSdh
Science_HOD
Jul 4 @ 2:59 PM EDT
Why am I always on the wrong side of democracy?!
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https://t.co/r5U3BiiJCx
ViciaScience
Jul 4 @ 3:07 PM EDT
@A_Weatherall
we are debating democracy in the science teaching profession! (with
@NeedhamL56
#ASEChat
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 4 @ 3:07 PM EDT
How about How will
#Brexit
affect my GCSE outcomes? :)
#asechat
https://t.co/7HCp5WUetm
ViciaScience
Jul 4 @ 3:07 PM EDT
@A_Weatherall
we are debating democracy in the science teaching profession! (with
@NeedhamL56
#ASEChat
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 4 @ 3:09 PM EDT
linked to one of last weeks topics, what do we think of the research that says students learn better outside.
#outdoorlearning
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jk_graves
Jul 4 @ 3:09 PM EDT
any thoughts
#asechat
? I'm out of creativity!
https://t.co/pSYDpGCjQ3
jk_graves
Jul 4 @ 3:06 PM EDT
Inspiration required. Need to get across a load of info on viral, bacterial and fungal diseases in humans. Examples, symptoms, mode of trans
ViciaScience
Jul 4 @ 3:09 PM EDT
@A_Weatherall
Problem with debating topic is that all the protagonists resign at the first sight of 'responsibility and leadership'
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A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 4 @ 3:10 PM EDT
As
@sixtysymbols
just won an award from
@PhysicsNews
- how useful are science videos in augmenting (not replacing) classrm teaching
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AssignmentHelpN
Jul 4 @ 3:10 PM EDT
10 Simple yet Powerful Tools to Kickstart Elearning Classroom
https://t.co/1tLpO4teFl
#asechat
#edapps
#edtechchat
https://t.co/OVuKfdwaUY
doc_kristy
Jul 4 @ 3:10 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
which research? sample size? Surely it's correlation not necessarily cause...? Pupils are complex organisms after all
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ViciaScience
Jul 4 @ 3:10 PM EDT
@hrogerson
which possibly means that they should be aware of science around them not just in the lab for an hour?
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stevethedoc1
Jul 4 @ 3:10 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
@A_Weatherall
suggesting it cannot be you??!!
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Tracy_Tyrrell
Jul 4 @ 3:11 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
I would love to do my own research and have applied for Forest School training
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NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 4 @ 3:11 PM EDT
@jk_graves
do a jigsaw activity, provide all the info, chop it up between groups, etc etc. works well for info retrieval
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Science_HOD
Jul 4 @ 3:11 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
where and how is it conducted?
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NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 4 @ 3:13 PM EDT
I like that
#asechat
ters are being critical of the research methodology already, I’m just looking for the link
ViciaScience
Jul 4 @ 3:13 PM EDT
@jk_graves
You may be interested on this I did on herd immunity, vaccination and bacterial disease?
#ASEChat
https://t.co/S6sxerRmNP
anhalf
Jul 4 @ 3:14 PM EDT
.
@NeedhamL56
outdoor learning is fab for engagement
#asechat
https://t.co/MU3Dy8EnMr
my cluster did some of these 👍
Duckie043
Jul 4 @ 3:14 PM EDT
https://t.co/FbLXy4POEi
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Science_HOD
Jul 4 @ 3:14 PM EDT
@Tracy_Tyrrell
@NeedhamL56
what is that?
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ljrn42
Jul 4 @ 3:14 PM EDT
@jk_graves
draw round kid on wallpaper then add photos (suitably gruesome) to represent transmission, symptoms etc
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Duckie043
Jul 4 @ 3:15 PM EDT
Sorry first time in chat. Article on outdoors and edtech.
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massignmenthelp
Jul 4 @ 3:15 PM EDT
#asechat
#edchat
#edtech
6 Emerging Education Technologies
https://t.co/YQpavAYHwx
massignmenthelp
Jul 4 @ 3:15 PM EDT
#asechat
#edchat
#edtech
6 Emerging Education Technologies
https://t.co/3b63VSHK26
ViciaScience
Jul 4 @ 3:16 PM EDT
@doc_kristy
@NeedhamL56
Plenty of research here on the impact of outdoor education on learning
#ASEChat
https://t.co/2Ed2FiFjIm
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 4 @ 3:16 PM EDT
@Duckie043
Thanks for the link hers another
https://t.co/5xEd5bUhRC
learning outdoors
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NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 4 @ 3:16 PM EDT
@Duckie043
welcome to
#asechat
LouiseMaule1
Jul 4 @ 3:17 PM EDT
@jk_graves
Disease top trumps?? Have pupils make the cards - not you.
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ViciaScience
Jul 4 @ 3:17 PM EDT
@Tracy_Tyrrell
@NeedhamL56
Northern ASE Conference 19/11/16 uses research as its theme - how to get into it, pupils doing it etc
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ViciaScience
Jul 4 @ 3:18 PM EDT
@Duckie043
Thanks Joanne, and welcome. Can you post a link?
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A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 4 @ 3:18 PM EDT
#asechat
https://t.co/mzp5OhKlGL
PhysicsEducator
Jul 4 @ 3:15 PM EDT
@A_Weatherall
@sixtysymbols
@PhysicsNews
Very.I use them all the time - especially@KS5. Sometimes set as required watching ahead of lesson
stevethedoc1
Jul 4 @ 3:18 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
just had our annual y5/6 children science conference, great research
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NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 4 @ 3:18 PM EDT
Thanks for sharing this, lots of great things going on at primary, I have a lot to learn (still!)
#asechat
https://t.co/i7iAJcO3EF
anhalf
Jul 4 @ 3:14 PM EDT
.
@NeedhamL56
outdoor learning is fab for engagement
#asechat
https://t.co/MU3Dy8EnMr
my cluster did some of these 👍
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 4 @ 3:19 PM EDT
#asechat
here's an
#asecat
:)
https://t.co/TIIlDvj5GT
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 4 @ 3:19 PM EDT
Do science teachers find it harder to accept social science research? … discuss
@Science_HOD
@ViciaScience
@doc_kristy
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ViciaScience
Jul 4 @ 3:19 PM EDT
@stevethedoc1
Research into science? What examples?
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Science_HOD
Jul 4 @ 3:20 PM EDT
Hey
#asechat
RT the below tweet. Need people in next wed!
https://t.co/lPlhlFLriZ
Science_HOD
Jul 4 @ 2:55 PM EDT
Nxt Wed Wellingborough/Kettering Teachmeet
#TMASE
#asechat
RT & Sign up.
https://t.co/gQ8uAQwpbN
https://t.co/OqG9eOARCW
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 4 @ 3:20 PM EDT
@stevethedoc1
@ViciaScience
ooo, that sounds fab Steve what did they find out?
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doc_kristy
Jul 4 @ 3:20 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
@Science_HOD
@ViciaScience
yes, because it I in our nature to question and see limitations
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stevethedoc1
Jul 4 @ 3:21 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
all their own questions, fav was walking ability in high heels
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NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 4 @ 3:21 PM EDT
@A_Weatherall
well
@Newmanphysics
was tweeting about
@sixtysymbols
today too
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who else uses them?
stevethedoc1
Jul 4 @ 3:21 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
intersting questions from floor, re method, enquiry type, interpretation of data etc
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ViciaScience
Jul 4 @ 3:22 PM EDT
lesson on using a
#microbit
as a tally counter for surveys. Can be used in physics and chem contexts too?
#ASEChat
https://t.co/EM3H0PuCTE
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 4 @ 3:22 PM EDT
Link here
https://t.co/8R5dlWoxhs
videos to support physics and astronomy teaching
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NgeeOg
Jul 4 @ 3:23 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
@Science_HOD
@ViciaScience
@doc_kristy
may depend on topic I think
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ViciaScience
Jul 4 @ 3:23 PM EDT
Brilliant - love to see their report!
#ASEChat
https://t.co/H2Hh478B2E
stevethedoc1
Jul 4 @ 3:21 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
all their own questions, fav was walking ability in high heels
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Duckie043
Jul 4 @ 3:23 PM EDT
@Science_HOD
It has been on my to do list. Done, thanks!
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stevethedoc1
Jul 4 @ 3:23 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
conference proceedings just being published,
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stevethedoc1
Jul 4 @ 3:24 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
check back friday
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ViciaScience
Jul 4 @ 3:24 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
@Science_HOD
@doc_kristy
Sci teachers tend to value empirical evidence and so qualitative data accused of bias?
#ASEChat
PhysicsEducator
Jul 4 @ 3:24 PM EDT
@A_Weatherall
@sixtysymbols
@PhysicsNews
@veritasium
Yeah - that was a belter. 'Explaining light to a blind man'
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NgeeOg
Jul 4 @ 3:25 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
@stevethedoc1
giving student mini research as homework
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NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 4 @ 3:31 PM EDT
sorry my twitter
#asechat
feed has just come to a standstill Have you all gone? We went from outdoor learning research to research 1/2
ViciaScience
Jul 4 @ 3:31 PM EDT
Strong claims made for benefits of outdoor education, via
@Duckie043
#ASEChat
https://t.co/r8p5vaYgIJ
doc_kristy
Jul 4 @ 3:32 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
still here (just) refreshing in between packing stuff for swim training in the morning
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NgeeOg
Jul 4 @ 3:32 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
habitat survey as homework
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NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 4 @ 3:33 PM EDT
to children doing research, with a bit of physics video thrown in. What’s currently niggling you about science education?
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NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 4 @ 3:34 PM EDT
@NgeeOg
have they done it yet,what dd they find out? What happens when your next lesson depends on homework? and they don’t do it?
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ViciaScience
Jul 4 @ 3:35 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
That so little educational policy seems to be underpinned by research rather than dogma etc
#ASEChat
NgeeOg
Jul 4 @ 3:35 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
@Duckie043
thanks for this
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ViciaScience
Jul 4 @ 3:36 PM EDT
Some classroom based research I would value - what impact have changes to practical work had on schools and pupils?
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NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 4 @ 3:36 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
can you apply that to the state of science education in particular?
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doc_kristy
Jul 4 @ 3:36 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
that it is reactive not proactive, government decides some change needs to happen and everyone reacts
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ViciaScience
Jul 4 @ 3:37 PM EDT
@NgeeOg
@NeedhamL56
Habitat survey - great topic for pupil research - behind TV would be my choice!
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NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 4 @ 3:37 PM EDT
@doc_kristy
think you agree with
@viciascience
there
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A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 4 @ 3:37 PM EDT
#asechat
Robin Millar described this issue at
#rEDMatSci
last month.
https://t.co/hUHzGtgltt
ViciaScience
Jul 4 @ 3:36 PM EDT
Some classroom based research I would value - what impact have changes to practical work had on schools and pupils?
#ASEChat
doc_kristy
Jul 4 @ 3:37 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
I'd like to see science ed lead by those who are most knowledgeable about it, whilst acknowledging government agenda
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dave2004b
Jul 4 @ 3:38 PM EDT
@doc_kristy
@NeedhamL56
The
@RoySocChem
work on the 'ideal' Chem curric in the future should help towards this in the medium term?
#asechat
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 4 @ 3:38 PM EDT
@A_Weatherall
do you have a link to his session/ presentation, I would like to see it. (sorry we couldn’t attend)
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ViciaScience
Jul 4 @ 3:39 PM EDT
@doc_kristy
@NeedhamL56
So lets do something 'radical' and assess effect - e.g. stop teaching BPC GCSE, and all do combined
#ASEChat
Newmanphysics
Jul 4 @ 3:40 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
@A_Weatherall
@sixtysymbols
#asechat
Yes they won, Kelvin Medal and Prize from the IOP. My students are always discussing them
ViciaScience
Jul 4 @ 3:40 PM EDT
@A_Weatherall
Can you describe his views in 140?
#ASEChat
doc_kristy
Jul 4 @ 3:40 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
@NeedhamL56
this is where we disagree, I'm a chemistry teacher, not a sci teacher I'm afraid, from y7 to undergrads
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NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 4 @ 3:41 PM EDT
It seems sensible to base science curriculum on the Big ideas
https://t.co/L1ow6j1uFL
Our curriculum has no coherence driving it
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ViciaScience
Jul 4 @ 3:41 PM EDT
@doc_kristy
@NeedhamL56
so at what point is it essential that the label 'chemistry' is applied in a child's education
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dave2004b
Jul 4 @ 3:42 PM EDT
#asechat
I think IoP and RSB are doing similar - are
#theASE
involved in this movement?
https://t.co/oUNOrXWvwB
doc_kristy
Jul 4 @ 3:39 PM EDT
@dave2004b
@NeedhamL56
@RoySocChem
yes it will as I was discussing with
@MarcNeesam
recently, being prepared for future changes
Science_HOD
Jul 4 @ 3:43 PM EDT
Just did a schrodinger's phone drop as nodding in the bath. Screen is both broken and not broken until you look.
#asechat
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 4 @ 3:43 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
there's difference between research-informed classroom and evidence-based practice. Both important.
#asechat
doc_kristy
Jul 4 @ 3:43 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
@NeedhamL56
in my experience y8/9 is best, Y7 has lot of generic skills and overlap. Once we're into atomic structure
#asechat
doc_kristy
Jul 4 @ 3:44 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
@NeedhamL56
but as chemists we constantly reference the laws of physics for example so separate but together
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NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 4 @ 3:45 PM EDT
@dave2004b
@TheASE
is concerned with Science Education,
@doc_kristy
only interested in chemistry, doesn’t it all have to be linked?
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doc_kristy
Jul 4 @ 3:46 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
@dave2004b
@theASE
I have taught other sciences you know, I'm not a Brexit science equivalent
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stevethedoc1
Jul 4 @ 3:46 PM EDT
@doc_kristy
@ViciaScience
@NeedhamL56
was anxious is it physics atomic structure, biological or chemical?
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doc_kristy
Jul 4 @ 3:47 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
@dave2004b
@theASE
it's possible to teach BCP separately and well with good cross-curricular links of skills/concepts
#asechat
ViciaScience
Jul 4 @ 3:47 PM EDT
Why? Helps to compartmentalise learning so miss big picture? For all children?
#ASEChat
https://t.co/xpfBBCTj9N
doc_kristy
Jul 4 @ 3:43 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
@NeedhamL56
in my experience y8/9 is best, Y7 has lot of generic skills and overlap. Once we're into atomic structure
#asechat
dave2004b
Jul 4 @ 3:48 PM EDT
#asechat
https://t.co/uREs4Qu69r
dave2004b
Jul 4 @ 3:47 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
@TheASE
@doc_kristy
Indeed, thats why I'm wondering whether ASE is playing any kind of coordinating role in these med term plans
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 4 @ 3:48 PM EDT
@doc_kristy
@dave2004b
#asechat
takes a skilled practitioner (B,P,C) to help students make links, they don’t do this on their own
#science
doc_kristy
Jul 4 @ 3:48 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
@NeedhamL56
it is right for the boys I teach, not necessarily for every setting, in prev school only top 3 sets BCP
#asechat
doc_kristy
Jul 4 @ 3:49 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
@dave2004b
which is why we need skilled practitioners, quality CPD including in subject knowledge
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ViciaScience
Jul 4 @ 3:50 PM EDT
@doc_kristy
@NeedhamL56
@dave2004b
@theASE
Possible - yes. Common - no. Beneficial - doubt its other subjects squeezed out at 14
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HGourlayUEA
Jul 4 @ 3:50 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
CEM is doing it:
https://t.co/QaScRyxQYb
#ASEchat
dave2004b
Jul 4 @ 3:52 PM EDT
@doc_kristy
@NeedhamL56
#asechat
Ongoing subject-based CPD is so important but seems to be hard these days for teachers to access
doc_kristy
Jul 4 @ 3:52 PM EDT
@dave2004b
@NeedhamL56
indeed, very hard, so much CPD is now linked to school/MAT aims, little room for individual growth
#asechat
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 4 @ 3:52 PM EDT
Anyone
@theASE
know if we are involved RSC, SoB, and IoP involved, think they are in
#silos
#asechat
https://t.co/ohqZYDuuGw
dave2004b
Jul 4 @ 3:48 PM EDT
#asechat
https://t.co/uREs4Qu69r
dave2004b
Jul 4 @ 3:47 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
@TheASE
@doc_kristy
Indeed, thats why I'm wondering whether ASE is playing any kind of coordinating role in these med term plans
OliHandley
Jul 4 @ 3:53 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
@doc_kristy
@dave2004b
BCP probably doesnt reflect future ambitions of most able either? How many study 'pure' at L4?
#asechat
ViciaScience
Jul 4 @ 3:53 PM EDT
@HGourlayUEA
Yes. Funded by Gatsby.But I would be interested in initial opinions of impact on schools now - not 3 years hence
#ASEChat
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 4 @ 3:53 PM EDT
.
@ProfBrianCox
Forces of Nature is on BBC shortly
#asechat
https://t.co/C0AnHk70Dg
giagia
Jul 4 @ 3:52 PM EDT
It's on in 10 minutes!
https://t.co/UvB2vgSMyy
ScienceTVRadio
Jul 4 @ 3:53 PM EDT
.
@ProfBrianCox
Forces of Nature is on BBC shortly
#asechat
https://t.co/qG3kWvJ7CJ
giagia
Jul 4 @ 3:52 PM EDT
It's on in 10 minutes!
https://t.co/UvB2vgSMyy
OliHandley
Jul 4 @ 3:54 PM EDT
@dave2004b
@doc_kristy
@NeedhamL56
and is getting more expensive, and harder to get staff out of school?
#asechat
physicsgirluk
Jul 4 @ 3:54 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
Less time to do any project / research style investigations
#asechat
doc_kristy
Jul 4 @ 3:54 PM EDT
@OliHandley
@dave2004b
@NeedhamL56
exactly... Although the rise of informal CPD through the TeachMeet revolution is valuable
#asechat
OliHandley
Jul 4 @ 3:55 PM EDT
@physicsgirluk
@ViciaScience
know some HoDs who have mapped in excess of 300 lessons for new specs!
#asechat
dave2004b
Jul 4 @ 3:55 PM EDT
@doc_kristy
@NeedhamL56
#asechat
workload issues writ-large in the profession?
OliHandley
Jul 4 @ 3:56 PM EDT
@doc_kristy
@dave2004b
@NeedhamL56
and I like, but does informal have the same impact? respect? value?
#asechat
LouiseMaule1
Jul 4 @ 3:56 PM EDT
@Duckie043
@ViciaScience
#asechat
Don't forget the friendly bacteria in soil too!
#happy
!
https://t.co/RWlOqp5g0g
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 4 @ 3:56 PM EDT
Offer
@STEMLearningUK
is wide so it’s there, but difficulty in getting out
https://t.co/J9EMYBcn38
#asechat
https://t.co/HVTEbQJ8vf
dave2004b
Jul 4 @ 3:52 PM EDT
@doc_kristy
@NeedhamL56
#asechat
Ongoing subject-based CPD is so important but seems to be hard these days for teachers to access
stormeducation
Jul 4 @ 3:57 PM EDT
#asechat
We looked at an activity to do with outdoor ed and there are lots of links to the
#science
curriculum
ViciaScience
Jul 4 @ 3:57 PM EDT
The ASE already have a clear position on this
#ASEChat
https://t.co/UOnadz7WrA
https://t.co/NTk8pVLOz2
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 4 @ 3:52 PM EDT
Anyone
@theASE
know if we are involved RSC, SoB, and IoP involved, think they are in
#silos
#asechat
https://t.co/ohqZYDuuGw
dave2004b
Jul 4 @ 3:48 PM EDT
#asechat
https://t.co/uREs4Qu69r
dave2004b
Jul 4 @ 3:47 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
@TheASE
@doc_kristy
Indeed, thats why I'm wondering whether ASE is playing any kind of coordinating role in these med term plans
ViciaScience
Jul 4 @ 3:59 PM EDT
@physicsgirluk
Why? Linear exams means you can plan your curriculum around your priorities surely?
#ASEChat
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 4 @ 3:59 PM EDT
and is it CPD? does it actually support change. easy to go back to default when top tips run out
#asechat
https://t.co/0UNEIIAsyI
OliHandley
Jul 4 @ 3:56 PM EDT
@doc_kristy
@dave2004b
@NeedhamL56
and I like, but does informal have the same impact? respect? value?
#asechat
dave2004b
Jul 4 @ 3:59 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
#asechat
Big fan of these, but is there anything like SCORE these days bringing all the bodies together?